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an expedition introduced the secret language of wales. exciting part of the underwater listening if you're getting a window into their, their life. but you never will never see your company research came to the pacific to the language of wales starts june, 4th on d. w. ah ah ah ah, is it all just a lot of hot air? investors have been snapping up hydrogen related stocks as if the gas were in short supply? it's the most abundant element in the universe like now sun. but on earth,
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it's mostly extracted from fossil fuels, emitting carbon dioxide in the process. what's called trade is excited, and companies promises of clean hydrogen electrolysis split water into hydrogen and oxygen doing it cheaply, could be the holy grail of green energy. so could hydrogen become the fuel of the future? that's what we're looking at today on made. i been visible and share prices of companies in the industry have sold more than 500 percent in the past year. there are several reasons. 0 emissions vehicles are all the rage. many countries are going carbon free in the next few decades. us president joe biden has thrown his weight behind the sector. and the european union plans to scale up renewable hydrogen projects in polluting industries like chemicals and steel. but a lot of the focus so far has been on cars. the question is, will hydrogen powered cars overtake their electric carson?
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the, what's the deal? when we all supposed to be driving plug in electric cars, their own offer as part of coal sharing plans in many cities. but now hydrogen vehicles are the things. over the past few decades, several hydrogen models have been unveiled. though most of them use hydrogen and combustion engines, but was about hydrogen cars with electric motors like this one. wheels the head of the german hydrogen fuel cell association about the advantage over plug in e cause mother to really plug in electric cars. have a distance problem with ranges are growing, become with up to 4 hours. we charging time. who wants to set off on vacation? and have to take a 4 hour break every 250 kilometers. it's not an option slot. this is work is not showing the houses this h to power call work. it involves the kind of factory known as a fuel cell, oxygen from the air and hydrogen from the tank come to the react in the fuel cells
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producing electricity. that how's the cars, electric engine? what comes out of the tail pipe? water, unlike combustion engines, no exhaust fumes or carbon dioxide produced but only a few carmakers manufacture them, such as high on di toyota. and the technology remains expensive. a car like this, toyota, mariah cost 79000 years at the moment in the future, a new model is expected to sell for about 64000. yeah. right. why is it still so costly? thought so it isn't below the vehicles are sufficiently well developed to be sold at ordinary car prices if they were mass produced going. but at the moment there's a lack of demand off. perhaps also there's not enough state intervention to ensure that enough vehicles are accepted. so click on the missing that's all
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well and good, but so far, the hydrogen itself is mainly produced using fossil fuels. not exactly climate friendly. the found with the institute for systems and innovation research was calculated how much h t would be needed in germany to fully exploit hydrogen technologies. and it's a lot, i think, 2018 a total of $560.00 terror. what hours of electric power was used in germany, even if electricity consumption stayed the same and 2050 as much as double time will be required to produce all the hydrogen needed for fuel cells. i'm for making synthetic fuels. to generate told us extra power, germany would have to expand wind and solar on a massive scale to produce both enough hydrogen for transportation and enough electricity for other uses. that would mean about our stuff and move if we want to or are allowed to use hydrogen for mobility done then this
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hydrogen can only be generated with renewable energy. so i thought we would have to build up trade relations with countries with huge amounts of base and sunshine and wind available, and that are willing to become our energy providers of the future when the sustainable energy plants would have to be built there. and so hydrogen could be produced and transported via pipelines or ships to germany or trans transport. okay, so the message is renewable energy would have to be expanded massively to produce enough hydrogen. but not only is that still a lack of hydrogen, but also if the necessary infrastructure such as filling stations in the capital berlin that we're currently just 5 hydrogen filling stations. and a total of 9 t throughout germany ah, filling up takes just 3 minutes, and then the car can travels 500 kilometers. muslim it all driving 100 kilometers cost, just as much as with
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a diesel engine. so it's not more expensive for the customer. within the industry has agreed to build a significant number of filling station. i'm up to $400.00 of them without looking at exactly how many cars there actually are. i'm just, i'm the support from policymakers. not just to expand renewable energy, but also hydrogen production. in december, the german government launched a new pilot project and tele west siemens plans to produce synthetic fuel, seizing hydrogen expert. i think the h to technology in the form of fuel cells is also being taken more seriously. the years ago, it was more like an engineers dream. it's such a cool and clever technology, and we now have clear binding climate targets in the greenville gave us more ambitious target. we realize that these are not attainable with conventional combustion engine. we simply need different technology often under the pissed them again. on the other hand, the global market for hydrogen and synthetic fuels made from it is growing.
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scientists found water institute calculate that the market volume will reach up to a 102000000000 years. quite 2030. and as much as 680000000000. you're raised by 2050. good prospects that the hydrogen technology in 10 years, many more of these vehicles looks to be cruising through the country. but it's still not a given hydrogen as a fuel because sounds great. the gas could one day play a major role in slow and global warming. still, it's not always the best technology. the width is the one that clinches market share and rides the network effect. some analysts, the warning of a bubble, frenzy and hydrogen related stocks as companies trading at extreme prices based on expectations that the revenue will surge in the future despite worries about possible headwinds for the fact that there was a similar burst of enthusiasm about 20 years ago. that prove short lived and
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another thing is abundant energy source has to get a lot greener 1st to make an impact on the planet. if it really hits the street that is or takes its place in other industries, hydrogen is considered an important energy source of the future. it's supposed to make of a key part of your transition to sustainable sources of power. that does cause a russia dam is investing in h 2 in a big way it's planning to build a hydrogen network covering the entire port aiming to become a hub for producing, importing and transporting the gas to other european countries. but if hydrogen truly green hydrogen itself is actually color this, but it's called gray blue, or indeed green, depending on the manufacturing process used to produce it. today most hydrogen is gray. it's made from fossil fuels like natural gas and coal,
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and produces high levels of c o. 2 emissions blue hydrogen is also grey in the sense that it too is gained from fossil fuels. but the climate damaging c o 2 is captured and stored in empty gas feels under the sea. for example, though the carbon footprint is significantly lower in the green manufacturing process, hydrogen is derived from water. this is the only form of h to production that can be described as sustainable. these dayton, ohio origins have a st because it's always the molecule h 2, but the different manufacturing processes determine how high the greenhouse gas emissions are and how clean the hydrogen is. this is green hydrogen is produced by splitting water into oxygen and hydrogen with electricity,
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but that electricity doesn't always come from 0 emission sources. so even green hydrogen is only sustainable if the power used to make it comes from renewable, such as wind, solar power in only then is it produced without emitting any carbon dioxide or not. if it's to be green and sustainable, the hydrogen has to be produced using renewable hashed it. but what if a country doesn't have enough renewable electricity to cover the need for green hydrogen production? germany, for example, has insufficient wind solar power. so by 2050, the country will have to import 45000000 tons of hydrogen. the risk the is that transporting it over long distances by ship or pipeline could cause further environmental damage. i said if you home one point of course is certification. we need
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a global certification system to really prove that this hydrogen has been produced from green electricity, water as well. right now we don't have that because there's no agreement on it yet . another hurdle for a quick transition to truly green hydrogen is the cost been the moment in that in given voltage, if you compare renewable green or even hydrogen with fossil fuels. now under the current regulatory framework, then it's a very expensive option and it's just and enough before the total value onto. but as more electricity is produced from renewable sources, green, hydrogen should become less expensive. so cars predict the cost will more than half by 2030, but so far the production of green hydrogen is not widespread in the european union . experts predict that the blue option where the seo to emitter during
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production is stored will remain a source of hydrogen for years to come. germany use keen on expanding its capacity for hydrogen production. the aim is to produce the gas on an industrial scale with 0 emissions. this green hydrogen would be use not only for fuels but also for heating and generating electricity still produces like this and cope. and i'd get or investing billions of euro's to make production, climate neutral with the help of hydrogen power. even oil jives are getting in the act b, p, developing a renewable hydrogen project at its refinery. here in germany, to replace a big chunk of its fossil based hydrogen consumption. the road to greener energy leads to em slammed. the northern german district hopes to play a leading role in the countries transition to renewable energy.
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tim horseman coordinates the development of hydrogen production infrastructure in the region. this wind buck together with offshore wind turbines to generate the power that will be used to produce hydrogen in a carbon neutral process of the field is going to be behind using hydrogen is to achieve c o 2 neutrality. that means transitioning from fossil fuels, using renewable energy, replacing all that natural gas and petroleum by alternatives, and that has to be wind energy or solar energy one and a given. m. slend is in good shape economically with modern industrial and commercial enterprises. well funded with texas, the region can afford to invest heavily in the energy transition. oil multinational b. p runs a huge refinery and ems land refineries like this one are among the biggest
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industrial consumers of hydrogen. several tons per hour needed to remove sulfur from the gasoline and diesel produced here. but what's being used is so called gray hydrogen derived from natural gas in a process which emits large amounts of climate damaging seo to the plant is being converted so that in future it can produce carbon neutral, green hydrogen, livingston. and i don't forget that there are large furnishes in plants like using large amounts of energy are needed here. it's 120 megawatts, 128 reactive to build the catalyst. it's highly energy intensive, and produces lots of c o. 2 new pledge of pure electrolysis unit needs much less energy with almost no c o 2. but it's very expensive without state subsidies, it would be difficult to realize the plans to further them subsidize,
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green hydrogen costs more than great hydrogen. so there's no economic incentive for it. why would a market driven company use green hydrogen? it just costs some money and their customers won't pay for it. and so subsidies are central guide and both the german government and the you agreed that they will be in the 1000000000 in since in the yard making industrial facilities more eco friendly cost. a lot of money at this power plant green hydrogen, could soon replace natural gas and german energy multinational w e plans to build one of the world's biggest hydrogen production plants on this field. green hydrogen is opening up entirely new business opportunities of muscles not only helps that. we already have large cavern storage facilities in our port leo, in which we can temporarily store the large amounts of hydrogen comment generated
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losing wind and then be able to take that storage hydrogen and make it available to all those industries and gas power plants that are switching to stellan done all of these stored energy, susan, the spike up the energy coordinated tim hoffman says it's important to implement green hydrogen quickly. that way, the existing natural gas pipeline system can be used for distribution, allowing the hydrogen to be transported to every corner of the country. the thing that i believe that green hydrogen will be indispensible in many sectors, which is why it should have been invested in years ago. but it's only now that the course has been set. the 1st green hydrogen plans in england should be up and running next year. one good thing about this pandemic for the planet has been the fact that most of us have been locked up at home, denied any real sort of travel,
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no exotic holidays. beach time for me. i've been locked up here in the studio and economic catastrophe because one in 10 jobs around the world are in tourism. and officials rec, in the sector, won't pick up properly again until 2023. and what they could do in the meantime is trying to clean up the business. choosing to fly comes at a high price in terms of emissions. airlines say we might soon change that with 0 emission hydrogen powered aircraft. but is that realistic? the remember when flying was fun and adventure of free spirits and jet set. feelin look at all the fossil fuel that has to be burned to get to fly the flying fastest way into the climate crisis. how do you but there's hope and innovative ideas. the industry is trying to reduce its carbon footprint.
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ah, there are many, many reasons to believe in hydrogen. whenever flight soon be eco friendly. what's behind degree and hydrogen hype more than 20000 planes when operation around the world before the condemning. carrying over 4500000000 passengers in 2019 most of them were frequent flyers on domestic slides from the u. s. on china. and they accounted for about a quarter of all of the ation emissions. a problem with a very, a very tiny minority of the world takes a huge share the emissions, while 80 percent has never direct c o. 2 emissions from the ation accounted for at least 2 percent of global emissions in 2019 doesn't sound like much. unfortunately, it's the most energy intensive activity that human beings can buy. and
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while you can get an electric car or swap, meet for veggies, there isn't really a viable eco friendly alternative to long distance and trouble yet. how did we get into this? let's go back to where it all began. will humans and the 1st trouble must have been very exciting. you know, a promise of a world that is increasing you connected with jet said activity. flying was so exclusive because it was very expensive. airplane or limousine. as an ordinary u. s. domestic. ground trip costs around $600.00. spec in the 19 seventy's whopping 4000 bucks in today's money. but then the market was the regulators, low cost carriers emerged and growth became target. number one. we get this year
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alone, a 100000000 people in asia. why for the 1st time and evolved from the privilege of a few into a service from any of our market. this is a population that it has to fly for, for travel. they want to access the freedom from new ports to new markets to sky was the limits for the aviation industry until 2021 to corona borrowed cit grounding most of the worlds aircraft. but the industry is expected to bounce back soon. we think that we will see a return to pre covet levels of traffic by the end of the 24. okay. so people who want to fly and will fly, but does it have to involve blasting fossil fuel emissions into the air? perhaps not. and the industry has been quite creative in proposing alternatives, being icon at least 121314 different technologies that have been
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proposed over time. fungus, professor for tourism in transport and sweden focused on the asian since the beginning of his academic career. i think we heard everything in replacing aircraft that was early in the ninety's completely new african models like this one blended learning technology to save kerosene, sola ah, glen days, fuels the so called biofuels. we're older age does l and company kalen, for example, tried to cell phone using them. the great thing about biofuels is that we can meet them using algae, sugar cane seeds, we don't even from cooking oil. why a fuel is great for c o 2, but there isn't enough of this around. that's why kayla is getting everyone together to produce biofuel on a large scale. carolyn is
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a leading airline in biofuel, but k limbs, actual share of biofuels was only 0.18 percent of their total fuel consumption in 2019. in the end, they were sued for misleading marketing. or they recently type about electric aircraft, and we were convinced that the electrical revolution would happen in aerospace as well. so we launched a fully electric powered aircraft, which we called the sun one project that was tens of the 10s before it was scheduled to make its 1st well as i did earlier, one measure of progress. and that is emissions going down. and we haven't seen that yet. now, hydrogen supposed to say to planet, ah, our belief in what hydrogen represents is most pivotal white. they say hydrogen has at least 3 striking features for number one. it's a versatile energy carrier and can power aircraft with high energy demand,
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where batteries would be no alternative. hydrogen can be made using renewable energy, meaning the production can be environmentally friendly. this so called green hydrogen is what they want. ok, what we're talking about here is really powering a v ation with renewable energy. it does not pollute hydrogen when it's new c o 2 and almost no air pollution, which of course is the biggest plus. okay. sounds great. but the and 2035 deadline we set off to come in service. we agreed aircraft green, certified commercial aircraft, 2035. why? so late? the core challenges are to really build an aircraft that can safely run on hydrogen biggest storage. and the whole new design will be needed before hydrogen plans can take off. and the infrastructure for hydrogen needs to be developed from planes to
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refueling, to production. building up a coherent hydrogen system takes time and cost a lot of money. and finally, there's simply not enough green hydrogen available yet to share up a new boats worldwide is still too low to produce enough eco friendly hydrogen for the industry. right now. the hydrogen we use is almost entirely made from natural gas and, and call the and of course it's all just a promise and promises has been broken. by the time that does work, it may be too late. the problem with hydrogen is that it doesn't work. yes, well, it's simply not there yet. despite industry assurances, we are seeing that everything we can through to see or to impact and work towards a deal with teacher scientists like stuff, i'm guessing, remain skeptical. well,
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after 25 years, i think i'm entitled to an opinion. so to tell you where i don't, i don't think there's any interest in everything we've seen in terms of discussion. proposals has always just been proposition for the future. as long as the ation industries business model is based on fossil fuels and growth, emissions will continue to rise. that's why activist and scientists are calling for strict regulation. we need governance to, to address this problem. if a leave it to the alliance, i'm very skeptical. we will see a solution. so back to our original question with our flight soon, vehicle friendly put simply, no, they won't. hydrogen will need more time to reach its potential. but we can help reduce emissions now by making choices about how we travel and troubling less whenever possible. because technology alone will not be able to save l a planet.
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the amount of plastic is increasing every are many and gone out of working on landfill, only worked very holiday destination drowning and what we read online at the cause here, the exports over $1000000.00 tons of ways the other way. after all, the environment isn't recyclable. the make up your own mind. d. w. made for mines. oh, let me know as a favor, if me and just getting back to me.
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me the news . this is the w news. my from the mother of detained brothers in germany for the savage appealed to international lead us to save her son. she says that lucy and authors will kill him and he's all been tortured since he was hold off diverted. brian, a slice on some things also on the program. serial votes in presidential elections despite the ongoing staple fiction for bash on a certain oppose that the information on the united nations smith as
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the me i'm so go welcome to the program. and it was in nita alexander lucas shanker has defended his decision to force an irish passenger jets land in his country and accused european leaders of waging a hybrid war against him. the parents of dissident journalists, remember saying that she was arrested and dragged off the flight, appealed to the international community to help rescue their son, where they say has been tortured. of course it's all they have to go by remand, participate, which is parents must have watched this clip and countless time looking at the video of their sons alleged confession that convinced it was forced. the thing that i know, my son very well, we and our friends and relatives have clearly seen that there are bruises on his face. it's a very well covered with mate up watching car shows them on the ridge
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of his nose attach. it looks like his nose is broken, will be perceived last night. knowing our son, i can say with confidence that he would never met his guilt. because festival he has not taken part and must disturbances. he has never organized them. yes, if you can, because you are going to use all your sons wells, please stand up and help you because they will kill him. they will kill him. 26 year old man purchased savings, co founded as social media sites that helped mobilize huge anti government protests and belarus. last year, this week pro government media circulated this video of practice savage allegedly confessing to organizing master stevenson meant his supporters believe the statement was made under duress. the same goes for this. suppose
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a confession from persons have his girlfriend, sophia paco. they were both arrested on sunday after their flight from athens to vilnius was diverted and forced to land in the valery seam capital minsk. the incident sparked international outrage. the e, you slapped sanctions on valerie and the u. s. is considering doing the same freedom of expression. valerie sin leader, alexander lucas shanker, lashed out and response order. nothing in the predict said u r l wishes from outside the country and from inside the country changed their methods of attack on the state. press one or just have a cross many red line and have abandoned common sense and human moral grandmother is not information warfare anymore. this is modern hybrid warfare, so we must do everything to prevent it becoming a real world. dylan, stop by and love it at us. love good at your lucas shank denies. the plane was
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diverted in order to arrest pressure. savage, claiming the move was a necessary response to a bomb threat. now the bell ever seen opposition including lead us fat lana, to kind of sky feather preparing to stage new protests. and hoping international pressure will keep pressure, save it safe. hello leah opposition data that you can sky us, that the incident raised a great security concerns and underscored what you called an atmosphere of lawlessness and values there in their flight incident august, santa cruz, the line in became a threat to international peace and security trans direction of the international community is justifiable or strong and effective, but i would like to emphasize the sense leave in decent must fear of lawlessness for more than 9 months. disrespectful human rights. and freedom is the peach out of
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the question because for the keith. but since rick elections of august 2020, the regime has completely lost the boundaries of acceptable behavior. and sandy, cough and nothing better isn't opposition? activists and former presidential candidates asked for his assessment, mine, but it's, it should be the rose. so i always had to do hear people discover insulting you, but my must be the daughters who are living in this in this, under this lawlessness for more than a quarter century. and now i think before europe was trying to ignore this problem, considering the human during problem and not very dangerous for, for europe and the deal to drive chosen to deal with go to have business from the question today, i think is probably what we'll be talking phone number of years that she is
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a vengeance for international security. he's in danger for, for you. he's a danger for, for our neighbors spoke states, poland, ukraine. and i think the danger should be just the very solid danger. right? and if you will know that you are speaking today about the 3rd roll over the 3rd world war war, and that's what she is actually driven about. and he is provoking ok. so let's look at what europe is talking about during. so europe is talking about no fly routes and also financial sanctions against the people that the parliament deans were responsible for this action. and is that sufficient? if it's not, what else should brussels be doing? it's not sufficient. i think the language is wrong, but so far it's not translated into the real sense. sure. rule. same since i important forget about personal sanctions,
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targeted sanctions. so visa bands because a lot of this is not quite effective for us. a lot of our sonata school is not affected for below. so it's not that than what economic social slow, let's say that all the, all the set of french europe very know very well about and they were using it countries and including here and others. and i think, and i'm in trade and fiscal sanctions like disconnected from like stopping the any corporation with the companies and go i was like, i was carly, which is very important source offering control caution or bill next to here which americans already put sanctions on europe good match the sections, it will i would like to stress that this is morally and legally justified because
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the sanctions, the always tied to one thing, right? really? so political, so people are in prison for political reasons and stop repressed and then you will be in a different situation. that's very clear. thank you so much for joining us about as an activist, andrea as tanica. i will take a look at some of the stores making headlines at this hour. they have been fatalities and injuries, you know, mass shooting in san jose, california authorities say the gunman opened fire as a rail. ticking rail yard is that the title is unclean city's men. that the suspect is now dead. molly's enter him president bond dow, the prime minister mocked i want a design on sunday. i have to be arrested by the military this week. and they've been accused of trying to sabotage the process to steer the west african states back to civilian. rhode island in august un security council is to hold an emergency meeting on the growing crisis of africa. so for the president,
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jacob zoom is pleaded not guilty to corruption charges relating to a $1000000000.00 arms. the thinking back to the like 990 s is accused of accepting annual payments from a french arms manufacturer. in return, prosecutor say he ran to the company protection from scrutiny. us secretary of state and to be blanket has helped us with chips and present time zone. i'll see, see in the wake of the israel, a garza conflict i discussed last week face via the possible long term solution to estimate is 2nd to bring can travel to jordan asked me to respond to syria is holding elections today in the vote that many observers say neither free, no fair. president bashar, our last side is almost certain to win another term in charge of a country ruined by war. when the people in government tell them is allowed to vote under the demonstrators in revel held in, it took to the streets to denounce the vote, which position described it's
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a 2nd presidential elections and civil war broke out 10 years ago. bashar al assad face is all over the syrian capital, damascus. his campaign posters dwarfed those of the other 2 candidates cleared by the legislature to compete. the final vote tally is expected to show similar dominance by assad. so why is everyone so sure of an assad victory? to start with, not all syrians can participate. only residents of areas under government control can vote in the country that has the largest number of displaced people in the world. those in rebel held districts are ineligible in the autonomy. curtis regions in the north are not participating. millions of syrians have fled the country during its years of civil war. some of those living abroad can vote like here in lebanon. on the other hand, germany has forbidden the syrian consulate from registering voters on another.
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president bashar al assad is running against 2 other men. abdullah saloon, abdullah and mark mood after marie who stand very little chance of winning. they qualified for the vote after an extremely restrictive process in parliament. all candidates must have the support of 35 members of parliament, which is overwhelmingly dominated by a such as party. candidates must have lived in syria continuously for 10 years, excluding anyone from the diaspora. and they must be married to a syrian citizen. the united nations has said it is not involved in the election, and the us says without un involvement, it won't recognize the results. syria media says the regime has invited observers, but from regime friendly countries like russia, iran, china, and venezuela. the last elections were held in 2014 at the height of the civil war and saw a sod when in the landslide in
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a vote that was also widely condemned by the u. s. and b, u, as neither free nor fer. let's get more from a banter shallow. she's a head of the middle east division at the german political foundation, the 100 bows. shift on a welcome to t w. so how much support does basha alice side really have you look at how these elections are being held. you can already estimate how much the population is not able to vote because they are simply not an area that are participating in the voting. and all those show, i mean there are so many people signing with their own lot. there are lots of posters and all just present charlotte. if you mount the where the election, you can get his real support at least he himself has thoughts about it. ok, so each promise to, to, to use he's next term in office to rebuild the country. so who's going to assist him in that? if he wants assistance,
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he will need to perform them very severe changes and he has not shown any indication that he's ready to do that he'll be left with his wife around russia. please, however, have constantly demonstrated that they are willing to both military efforts and to help her in winning the word. but they have not done any efforts to rebuild the country, people in a military and a this is not coming from allies. so where will it come from because the country needs to be reconstructed, regardless of whether aside is in, is in, is in power or not. well, this is what we would say, but obviously this year regime does not see it that way. they installed a tax so they are collecting texas on citizen said to pay for reconstruction. they have done so for a few years that you can see nothing bad happens and destroyed to, to remain in rebel in roll and destroyed areas. and cities have not been rebuilt. what has been done with this money is to invest in some government buildings and to
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small and non to this money has also been used for the military so far that the construction tax has not been used for that. why would anybody else jump in and say, well, then we send a bit more and read that this will flow into the construction bent shallow from the german political foundation, highly composed, shift them in sports, german karone about his rules could cause problems for teams out the european championships this summer, german government says football is traveling from the united kingdom would have to be quarantined because of the spread of the indian very immunity audio. i read over several of the games and some players will have to travel from england. scotland, german government confirms football as a not exempt from the to be quality. and non residents are banned from traveling altogether. and organize us for says it's monitoring the situation. quick look at our top story. there's our, the mother of detain venomous in june. this remind savage as appeal to
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international leaders to save her son, obviously been tortured since being pulled off. the diverted, reiner flies from sunday. she said she said, the better risking government would kill him. more world news at the top of the hour of next rub. what sounds your business and good news news i read a cheap over mentioned home the 4th time in.
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