these places in europe are smashing all the records, the dip into a ball. and thanks for the treasure map for the modern globe trotter's discover, some of europe's weathered breaking on june. and now also in book form the guys out. so the national media get out. so your capital, i would show you and big books, what happened again you haven't, we are not the ones who are making all this mess in yemen. the world isn't buying, you know, denials. mr. charlotte, we will continue the war if they don't withdraw from our country. despite fresh diplomatic talks, the 6 year war in yemen shows little sign of ending the aid agencies. a warning of a humanitarian catastrophe. as food supplies dwindle, and the coven demik takes hold. my guest this week from the capital santa is some sheriff foreign minister,

the self styled to see government. he's forcing stand accused of committing shocking crimes and killing indiscriminately. why will they stop the sheriff? welcome to convict don't last month. you told iranian tv that the, who these were open to a fat and honorable piece. my question to you is, how can there possibly be any fantasy on a after the terrible crimes that you and the other combatants in this war have committed. ok. now it is the end of this crazy war, which was started by the saudis. what can you say more than that? let's stop this war on the, let's sit on the table and find this piece and try to mend what happened in the last few years. so again,

you cannot just look back and see what have been done right now to make some of what you have done all the parties, not only the guys in santa and then i think we can make some peace for the people of the not for the conflicting parties, well, when the crimes have been committed and these are particularly gruesome crimes, you don't think you can just walk away from them. can you, from torture, indiscriminate killing obstruction, the vital aid use of banned weapons, recruitment of child soldiers, arbitrary detention enforce disappearances. if proved some of these crimes represent massive violations of international human monetary and law for which you can be held accountable anywhere in the world. do you think you can just walk away from these crimes? i've every one should be held accountable for what they have done and the last 6 years, not only one of the parties and the others who have all the money and resources can

hide their crimes. those who did crimes should be really put in front of the justice, the 2 chords without being w not on your movement. so they put me in front of the courts. are you ready for that? i, i 1st, i'm, i mean, 1st the national salvation government is not the hudy's, the national salvation. government is a coalition of many political parties. what we are talking about when you talk about war crimes, those in the field who committed those crimes from all parties should be held accountable. so let's not talk only about government to appear on t v or go to meetings. let's talk about those on the field who committed those crimes and find who ordered them to do those crimes. so you're trying to distance yourself from the, the who. the crimes are you. the fact is that your war has helped bring about the world's worst humanitarian disaster,

which you and the other warring parties have inflicted. ringback indiscriminately on civilians and anyone who got in your way to answer your question properly. we have not started this war. this one say you started you, but you're continuing. continuing and not your continuing to target civilians not no, no, no, no, no, no, no. we are, we are defending ourselves, we are defending our people. we are defending our country, i guess the saudis and the america. so again, we will continue the war if they don't withdraw from our country and those crimes that you're talk about, let's look to them. let's not just make it general. so the crimes committed by your people know, the crimes were committed by those who, where the aggressors, not by the image or defending themselves. let's look at the books look to the, what happened in the last 6 years. and then again, yes, we're ready to face the world and say,

who did what of what they deserve for such crimes. mister shut off country after country has condemned your intransigence. the us said in february at the security council that can be no peace if the hoof these keep up their daily attacks against the yeah, many people, saudi arabia and other countries in the region. you've said you want good relations with the us, then accept an immediate and comprehensive see spot as they've demanded. we want a real piece, not that these paid for by the saudis, and the moderate is when you talk about the word condemning the who, these are the, i mean, the forces who are really fighting them. you know why the saudis, on the market is how to spend millions of dollars to create a certain picture about what top is in yemen. and no one knows what happened in our country. really the actual picture. they committed most of the crimes in this

country. and we know that they have done, and we are documenting that. think what is happening in the international arena is what the saudis have paid for. and those countries were, are condemning how these are countries will have a lot of interest, a lot of business with saudi arabia and the gulf countries. while it says that what other countries that are doing that it's not just the other countries, it's the united nations and their investigation and the international human rights organizations that are pointing the finger firmly at you. now even now, even now, despite the fresh diplomatic efforts that are going on, your targeting murray to the east of santa where civilians the bearing the major impact of new fighting. but that means nothing to you, does it, the more you kill, the more territory you cry, the stronger your position in the piece talks. that's your calculation, isn't it? let's, let's clarify this to the world. we are not the ones who are making all these mess,

indiana, and it is those countries who are doing it, not our country, are people in yemen. the national forces are trying their best not to hurt their people. we are really targeting the saudis, we are targeting our enemies because they have destroyed our country. when you talk about killing civilians, we are not in the business of killing several years and i can prove it to the world . the world, the yo yo yo denial and it is to shut off the well the well i don't denial the. no, no, no, no, no, i the i am, we are here to talk to the world, come to us last up and our country last human rights watch. one of the instruments off the u. n. is one of the instruments off of the saudis on the market is very un. so you and how about how sides the u. s. has to them both. so don't i'm talking

to you. i'm talking to you about what you are doing last month. human rights watch said your forces had shown a shocking disregard for the well being and safety of civilians. the who these indiscriminate artillery and rocket attacks towards populated areas in murray put displaced persons and local communities at severe risk. that's how much you care about civilians, isn't it? we care about our civilians. let's him. like out of events, let's not talk to the media. us. no, i don't. i getting a good. don't try to to change the picture. the picture should be clear. what you are trying now to say is what they talk about us come to us, and we'll show you what they're doing to us. we are not targeting our people. if there are any kind of mistakes, we will be accountable for it as we will do proper things for it. but again, when you say you, you you, what about the other party? you just shut your on. i can do what i'm talking to you about what your

responsibility for i'm talking to you about what you're responsible for. we talk to the other parties in the conflict about what they're responsible for. now millions, millions, phase, hunger in your country and your who see forces disrupt and interfere with the aid coming in. why is that? why, why do you interfere with a why on earth would you prevent organizations like the world food program from doing that job and trying to feed people? if there are anything like that, it should be presented and people should be punished if they are doing something improper. so punishment. we don't punish business of trying to stop the a to them. it is we will. let's investigate that. look, just because you said it, or they said it in the international media. let's put the books on the table as i said, and look to all the details. sometimes in the midst of all these things, you try to make this kind of accusations without proofs. let's say you and prove it,

and we will take the proper action against those who did such kinds of things which stopped the 8th. our people mister sharp, your forces, haven't just restricted the humanitarian agencies. you've actually threatened them as well. the you, an expert said they documented intimidation and direct threats by your people against humanitarian personnel. what business have you got threatening people who are trying to feed the hungry? i'm really hearing something new from you for the 1st time that our people. i mean, our government or our personnel are threatening the people. it's such thing occurred. we will be ready to see it punish those who are doing that. the un has name the who's the officials responsible for issuing threats. all of them are from your so called supreme council for the management and coordination of humanitarian affairs. those are include act made, how made up the most and toes,

and to ha, how are you know, these people don't, you do pay them to threaten the agencies? i know them and we don't pay anyone to threaten anyone, and i haven't seen that report. i would, i wish i can put my hand on it. so then i can take some measures regarding this subject because this is my responsibility to follow up on the subject with you and you don't read the reports from the un because it's in the latest report from the panel of experts. you know, that reports. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we receive what they sent to us and we just want we have a special committee to respond. so i are you also respect the specially what they're just mention mister sharp. i also responding to the reports of profiteering by your side. the us says you are top political leaders are competing to enrich

themselves from limited state and public resources. are you one of those top leaders who enriching yourself from this war? no, no, no, no. you seem to be amused by the city. you seem to be amused by august. he's a serious charge. you have as some said, no, no, no, that's not amuse but sometimes surprised. now again, this government, let me tell you this government is composed of the g p. c. our party and the hokies on saturday la, we are doing our best as a government for the sake of the many people, not for the who is or friday or for any officials whom i try to enrich themselves with this war. we are ready. we are ready and let me tell you the whole word. we and the other party and the saudis on the market is we are ready to be put in front of any kind of institution and see who did what i guess the many people we are in this war to defend our people not to get money or try to get some kind of power and

everyone knows that. and we have worked for the last 30 years with the many government. so again, when one knows that we know that the us panel of experts is track the number of illegal financial schemes that you're running. they include evidence of money laundering scams, creating false supply contracts to transfer huge amounts of cash to individual who think amanda's, and other officials are you personally involved in these? how does all this corruption fit in with the all honorable principal? no, no, no, no, i'm not involved in anything like that. i am the minister of foreign affairs and i present my party, the agenda congress party, not duties. and anyone who is committing any kind of legal action should be punished for it whoever he is from whatever side. 7 they are, again, this war is not to get rich. this what is to defend our borders,

our land. i'm out of dignity in this country and they went home. i try to get behind this kind of accusations. so forget about the saudis, in my life is crime will fail. they will fail because we don't have enough resources to employ such committees of the u. n. to know what others are doing, but the time will come. and we will have american companies working for us and looking to the other side, what they have done, how they get rich, how these kinds of art and deals have been done to kill the many people and get money out of it. and then, and 1st of the world, they say that they are defending the legitimate government. the real picture has been painted by us next, but un investigators international human rights organization who are on the ground who have evidence of fake financial transactions and the seizure of assets, the illegal seizure of assets belonging to other individuals and companies in

september 2019 your specialized criminal court announced the confiscation of funds and by 35 numbers of parliament who just didn't happen to agree with the politics. and they ended up a year later being sentenced to death in the santia. but the child was a political sham, wasn't it? why do you have political shands, instead of fair trials? whatever it said by do, and it's not the full reality you said so last month they disgraced one of their reports. so again, let's be with them and their groups and their committees. and then they can ask us and we can respond, but not just the wait for their reports about what you have said about these kinds of actions. i agree completely with you anything which is i guess the law should not be permitted if anyone has something to complain about, but it's on the media. the fact that they have about the middle, the shop. they have plenty to complain about and there's an even dock aside and

that i'm talking about your detention centers. now. the independent yemeni human rights group, montana has charted some of the worst excesses by who the security, especially by the security and intelligence agencies prefer that says, have been subjected to multiple forms of torture, including amongst other things, nail removal, severe beatings, and electric shocks. you happy about that? you happy about that kind of treatment? no, i'm not happy at all. i am against any kind of actions which might really go to this kind of, i would say human crimes. so why don't chinese should be, why don't you do something about them then? what do you want me to do? stop them. you know that years. yeah. i get no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. let's go to the right way. why we are being blocked here in santa for the last

6 years, get out to the u. n. that's me to the un security council. and i was talk to them not put me out in santa. and we kind of take a plane to london or to new york to talk to everyone in the world. you are putting us here in santa, so you can talk about whatever you want. and here we can not respond to the work. if you're having a child respond, should you have a chance to respond now? and since 2016 has registered 60 no, no, no of arbitrary detention 770 k know of enforce disappear all 344 days for you. i'm proud numbers there. my son is all read your lot. is your numbers. and i said, i said get us so that that us get us to the international media, get us to your public health and i will show you and big books. what is happening in the oven? not what the us says. i get the saudis to allow me today to take

a plane and go to london and get you all of our pictures, our books and talk in front of your people in england or in the us. they don't allow us to take even a small flight djibouti or other places. we are locked here in santa and you are making your own picture, your own movie in those big capitals and try to make us look like criminals. the kind of enough are the saudis, the image is and those who support them and the u. s. on and the, you ok, not the american people, not the british people, they know, but i guess thing, mr. bathrooms, in this war don't have to on. so they do, i'm asking you to case your guys, your coalition in particular, what the, who, the forces have been doing cock and the abuse, wholesale abuse of human rights that's carried out by who the security forces. you don't want to talk about it. i understand that there is a note,

i don't know about it, you know, i know about it, you know, it's worth it, you know, and i'm not going to excuses. i read the reports of the us. this is, but this is, this is part of the story. what the one says, this is part of the story. listen to what we will say to you in your homes, in your faces, out of yemen. you are trying to keep us here in santa and talk about everything in the world. there is a big media campaign bait by the saudis, by the man that is even by the british to sell their weapons, to show the world. but some on the hood is or unsubtle law, are the only criminals o, committed thinks in this war. you committed some of that war through your british weapons through the american weapons. so again, let's open it for the whole world. who are you and what else could what they did? yes, i was in this war as you well know, it's not just your side now. the other, i thought it condemned as 3 or 4 mister sharp. read the report. you don't you don't

you don't you? you are not saying the whole truth of the word through your programs. the un put this out is and the black list, 3 years ago, they paid money. they lifted them from the books, and this is what will happen. the saudis will pay a lot of money with the model. it is, and you will lift them from the books of the crimes they have done. and then you will keep the books for our people here in santa of what they did money, fox. this picture of human rights groups have noted another pattern of your oppression, and that includes sexual violence and right directed specifically at women who politically active the u. s. has named the senior, who's the official so times are being alleging his involvement in these methods. is he a friend of yours, a colleague of yours? no, i'm a civilian though. he's been on the un sanctions 2015. do you ignore the very serious accusations against him? he's director of the criminal investigation department,

so you don't really have nothing to do with, you know, serious allegations i, i don't know the person, but i read the reports about so times i've been and he died about a week ago. he's not here in santa again, as i said, let's open the books, see what everyone did here. and then there is another site to show, you know, i take on a charge actually, mr. sharp, there is no sign that you are taking any of these charges seriously. the, you know, that's confirmed and december 2019, who the individuals rate 6 women in detention facilities in and around santa several were raked on multiple occasions over extended periods. do you enjoy being known for these crimes? first i'm not the healthy when you speak about these, i am a g p. c member. another probably probably probably should we?

yes. yes. coalition. yes. says a lot of the israel, the part of you want your something and the other part of the coalition again, yes. but again, let me tell you something where to see if some of the parts of the sanction committee, the one of the u. n. and i take those reports, i sent letters to every department or the ministry concern. this is my role in this whole thing. the minister of foreign affairs cannot be really some kind of a decision making agency who can impose things on local institutions. so we do our shop again. anything like what you have said should be published, should the world know about it, not keep it all in the guests of the you and and the other minutes i'm in institutions. publish it to the world. well, you going to do about very hodges, aren't you concerned about them? what are you going to do about these charges? facing the who? we are a member of your company. we are part. what are you going to do?

look, i mean, okay, we will tell them what they have, what we have received. i use ations again still and then nothing huge asians. and then i don't know who said though, who's going to investigate why you're going to be stocks in a musket? well, investigate anyone who did anything to any human citizen. i can assure you of this . if i'm not doing it, other people will do it. mister sheriff, given everything the world now knows about the brutality of hoofbeats and the corruption during this war. i'm wondering what a piece time, who the government would look like, especially one that is charged with torturing its opponents, stealing the assets and raping politically active women does not qualify for who sees to take part in a peacetime government in yemen. ask your friends, their medicals, what they are talking to them in must got the why, why they're trying to,

to take them on the table and deal with them nicely to get them to stop firing squad missiles to the saudis. you have to know this interest. make the, the ends of all worse, talk to the americans as their mother do that while there is all these reports, why you'll and the media are trying to show something for a certain purpose. we tell you that we have not, we have not done anything that might create hate against us as a government in santa well, depending on the abuse, right, what most is of no concern. and no consequence. only human rights abuses that i've listed and all, and all of these killings and all these killings by your place, by the saudis, animosity forces and does that outlined by abuse 530-0000? no one is committed crimes. does that job on woodman rights abuse?

dont but dont but dont but the human rights against what has happened to us, the destruction and the killing of about 350000 yemen is by the saudi place or the amount of the place. and you come here to talk about, let's say, tens or hundreds of people, we would investigate everything. but at the same time, you should be account of all the world, including britain, on the us, on the saudis, and a lot of these for the hundreds of thousands people who were killed here in yemen. why do we want to sell it? we got the rockets on our heads, so you talk, you don't talk about that. you don't, you talk about the torturing. you talk about the problems that happen. yes. the things we will investigate. but again, we need investigation on the killing of hundreds of thousands of people and you should come to santa, i know you're and these are the us. how you talk about the report has demanded that as well. thank you, mr. sheriff sheriff, thanks for being on complex own. thank you. thank you. thank you. and we'll see

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