is personality, it was real political danger for question and then, but when you mentioned this personality, there is, i, you know, i read constantly. there is a very personal element to the animosity between the blogger and the president. well, i don't know that i can only think that it could be true and then look because a person who, who never forgets his finds the bench oriented person in the course of this. what cannot exclude this a college factor. but once again, it was a real political danger better than such. it's not only about some personalities, it's about organizing revolution. and there was a 11 of the organizes of progress, physical or physical organizing that prove to the people who are ready to prove that they had to prove this mood. but they managed to do it through social media. and i think it's of course it's also interesting for security forces just to get the information out to him how it really happened. why, why it was successful? i think they have the feeling. they said,

i think the blurs instead has not understood what actually happened. but still want to dispatch, what was that? what was it last year? these protests unprecedented proud of the loss of half a year. they still want to know what is behind it, and it's not about the act open. it's about people, it's about the change political reality, and valerie bye based you how this hope even close everybody in prison or make them leave the country dissertation will come back, but it will not come back. alexander, how people peter? yeah, yeah. maybe i can just jump in if you allow me, because i think this could also be that this incident, it's not only about the blogger, it's also about sending a message to the west of that location. it's apparently think he can act with, with impunity. he can do whatever he wants to without fearing any major consequences. and this also could be a strong message to all of the opposition figures. journalists, civil society, members, look, no one can protect you,

i can get you. and this is of course, very dangerous development. but that could be also part of his thinking behind what happens in minsk. sorry, what's your, what's your response? this is this debate about whether the, you know, the personality of professor bitch is, is important whether or whether he's part of the generation. is it the individual or is it the, is it the, the people surrounding him, people working with him as well? i think it's more of the telegram channel next to him because i can say it's journalist the you can call them proper journalists. they are biased. the use even the figures if you can see have speech. sure older can enlighten us more in this later, but the use very derogatory phrases. so for example, the use, the term you crushes, which is a mixture of 2 words for shift fascist and glucose shinkel. so they are openly

calling bluish and police said it's like they are very going to spreading this very particular, very aggressive for just move under telegram channel. however, they were very good at reporting protests. they had video feed, several videos applauded every day, showing protests happening and very different cities around bellows. so be war. of course, they were not why the protest happened, but they were an important part of the protest movement. they were way for people to feel connected. and they played a very important role in that regard. and i think that is why location great for to savage, so much. oh good. what can you add to that for us? i do completely agree. i mean, i also agree with the hate speech. we see it actually both levels on the, on the level tape media, but also on the level telegram channels. it's really will because ever since the side is now really deeply divided and it's not that good. but think about

perspective for the time asked. question can, if we could imagine any kind of reconciliation society to me, it's really, really hard that if you allow me to come back just to change that to come back to the topic of the european reaction. because i would like to react to this commence from, from the colleague in process. was that with this airbag for the recent airlines, the u. intense to punish the barrison regime which is understandable for me. but we said in this statement at the beginning, i mean the question i'm asking myself the whole time, i mean what happens with a whole bill, a recent with all the bill. i recent that kind of unfortunately, and i'm sure unintentionally from the you, but still kind of locked within their own country with such unprecedented level of repression still happening. i mean, we know that since the end of 2020,

but i recently have problems crossing the land boy of dollars because of the official college regulations. but we know that most probably of the reasons political. so air flights has been the only way for those who wanted to leave the country out of political reasons till now. now if it really happens that bill everson airlines cannot enter the european union. what happens with the people? i mean, i just want to ask you this as was some kind of also discussed on the you level or you think it could some kind of be changed within the upcoming month or is it, is it on the agenda? alexandra brussels. so it's not, yes, it's not officially on the agenda, but it's fair to say that we can assume that that was discussed during the summer. it's also the leaders he and brussels because of course, they know that they repeat union. if walking a tightrope here, they want

a rope here, they wants to punish the regime. they don't want to punish the people of killer roost. they want to support and strengthen the civil society. but i think that the 1st reaction and this overflights ban and then the band for beloved to land at many beloved from lending at the airports. it was also about safety. we talk about that . and then of course, it was also about sending a strong signal. i can imagine that you know, that they can review those measures after a while. and of course, they understand that it's also going to affect a normal citizens. but we have to mention that they were even much more extreme measures on the table that were discussed in brussels like cutting off bending old traffic even including ground transit from viola was to the european union. and they said no to those proposals. so that's always

a difficult decision, how to punish the government and not to punish the people. and of course you have to find a solution that all members can agree on. thank you. okay, very interesting. those are the proposals. what 2 books are people in brussels? imagine the impacts of those proposals is likely to be again in the next, in the coming days, weeks and months. while there are suddenly hoping to change the regime behavior. but as we could see in the past, look, shinkel more or less trucked off everything that brussels we're doing, any other sanctions imposed on the regime. but no, they seem to be willing to go even further to, to sanction, to, to impose sanctions against, you know, whole industrial sectors. hoping that that could change. you look a shank and behavior a change to situation on the ground. and the other thing that there are talking

about and have also implemented is, you know, to, to provide the civil society with chances to grow, to support them. they decided to, to, there are going to spend 24 millions 1000000 euros to, to, to do that. so that's also another thing that they are willing to do. however, we have to say that they toolbox is as limited as long as the russian presidents let him important is supporting minutes politically, but also economically. yeah. and the top of the show, or we can say, it is essential importance that we the you talk directly to vladimir putin about the future of fellers. what did you have in mind? i don't see that there is some big meeting of put in with say she was a barrel or on line. however,

there isn't the board meeting between them reported and by the president of the united states in geneva. if i am not mistaken, middle of june, you know, that could potentially be the moment when they will talk about it. and as far as i remember, the u. s. state has actually confirmed that doris is on the agenda. so maybe they can talk about something there, but it is very hard to do. any kind of predictions here put in is known to act, father unpredictably. another important thing is that there is a general election presidential election as well in russia are in september the 19th, actually one week before germany has general election. putin does not want to show, probably will not want to show any weaknesses before that. and that's really soon, september is not, not far away. however, we can't people often say that, oh, put in would like to. and their expel roofs and completely mergers and bellows.

because this will give him the same booster, the writing as he did with crimea 2014. that's not true. there is no 2nd. crimea, crimea did have a certain effect and put in rating. he really did go through the roof the moment it was the next, it is deflated. now again. but bellows isn't some country. the russians, one to see integrated into russia, it's crania, was such an issue. this was the only existing one. this is now gone. so it is really hard to predict what put in is welcome is ready to put in the bargaining table with vitamin photo. do you have any reason to be immediately optimistic about the situation? just to round up the show today that there might be a positional courses in the end. if we see the tension, maybe they will have more weight in europe or they used to be before due to this due to this is tory. i don't know really i really everything

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