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for the prize, just so with what is who is medical really what we talk to people who follow along the way, admirers and critics alike. and how is the world's most powerful woman shaking her legacy? join us for macros? black we are working as much as we've done of voice so that if you didn't try to avoid an escalation in one night of violence, you 5 a 1000 rocket, the israel, if we have what runs we already saw. so this is a change because you've what you've always denied, you've always denied war crimes and see thrive between israel and the militant palestinian group. hamas has been holding after the recent surgeon sizing, but it remains fragile. my guess this week from garza is last name a foxman really finally accept the target in israeli civilians and violates
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international law. but is there anyone left in this group who still wants to talk pete? the bottom 9, welcome come pick zone hamas claims victory and the latest round of fighting with israel . tell me how does losing 20 times more lives in the israelis with much of your infrastructure destroyed. how does that constitute victory? thank you very much for having me with them. i have to be able to respond to the same review to them or was to defend. and for that they said plans love to stuff ok. the understanding to crush them and to them to raise the white
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flag for us as this, as long as we are able to resist our next patient and to defend our people, we consider it relatively as the end of the day. yes, we know it was, we have been a lot of prizes. we have lost a lot, a lot of our beloved people, men and women and children. but there was no choice list for seniors other than that we are living for example, in, in more than 15 years. it was of ok think see, but if the ladies are given us, either to die by lacking medicine boys and girls among installation or to die. but honestly on american road. yes, i miss and i am. how do you tell the mothers who lost their children? the palestinian mother? 68 of your children, died 270 palestinians in all 12 israelis. how do you tell the mothers of
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palestinian children who lost the love of their life? gone forever? but this was somehow victory, and it was essential what you did her of all i have to tell you. i am one of somebody's will most their sons maybe nothing wrong of his condition and previous condition. i lost my son and i know to dream of dignity and read them and to look for an independent state. this is expected to have some prizes. it is not an execution. we are working as much as we can avoid, so that is condition. we have given them so much for the community all johnson. so our team, our national goals and ambitions, mr. 9, when you did try to avoid didn't try to avoid an escalation in one night of violence. you fight a 1000 rockets, israel knowing that like any other country in the world,
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israel would be forced into a massive retaliation. and many of your people would die because they always do. but you went ahead and provoked that retaliation anyway. why them? first of all, we are losing our thousands and thousands of people since when it comes to 48, i'm 70, i'm 55 years when it comes to the 76 and 7 q. but if it is well on the, on the west bank where people were on ship points when people didn't want to stay with houses and these for worship effect inside the holiest this for them. or where are they located on cameras? in july, it is an executed lane is to, to work as a victim. what we are doing is only one day. so a continuous integration. we didn't group on the lakers fighting,
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you clearly provokes it. you have a duty to safeguard the security and safety of palestinians. you didn't do that. you put them in directly in israel's line of fire creating maximum danger for them. that's what you did. didn't know, unfortunately, unfortunately this is not true because you don't think, i'm sorry to say that, but i don't think that by talking as if the story started. when god not responded, the sort of started at least that i'll just television. i'm talking started when hundreds of our piece one was about in june and hundreds of our family and children were possibly expected from their home. and we are talking about a senior this does not how much or got a distance? well, it's been, it's been changed a lot, enjoy them in banking, does i think it will be for the oven, just maybe in this way, but i mean, we,
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we have those who will be listed international law who didn't but it's big that obligations of the q bank bought by a little eviction of our b from shift bid on a long history of demolition of villages on this. and i am how secure is the currency spot? i ask because your boss in gaza. ya was sin. why has been threatening new attacks on israel made it 26. he said if israel hom be alex a mosque that would be $10000.00 mottos in the occupied territories. opposition forces have the power to launch hundreds of rockets in a minute. i ask you, what you use does all this big talk serve? do you want to provoke israel in the killing more of your people? i was a witness, a lot of new things and then some national media. and he didn't see this within this context. clearly, there are a lot of long term issues. thank your patients,
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vision, grove. lots of obama, the forceful additional people that shows up in our neighborhood of these, all these long term issues are not fixed, but then the national community and then the national community is not able to oblige slaves or door except under respect its obligation and bang for it is a matter of time to go for the next destination. we are not, but here you are. you are wrecked. and we are not getting any want miss and i know you will pay a lot. let me live, am i just can i just say, you know, you mentioned what you expect the international community to do? yeah, i said, well, it's the so we have work. no late, a military victory into a diplomatic one. he said it's the job of the international community to make
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diplomatic strides for the palestinian people before it all blows up. again. you really think you can fire off thousands of rockets when you feel like it. and then the international community will say they'd come in and pick up the pieces for you . is that what you expect? no, it isn't. it is not true. this is a good question simply because you are insisting on the stuff in the story by, by the, by the response to gaza. we are 53 years a q by we have the enforcement event in 1000 our homes. our villages are there are people in law, but there are, this was for the our last is the, is that, that on the list, the piece for war, we have more than 100 you, i was in favor of us, nothing. these resolutions have implemented us in the national community. amenities are dealing with israel is a bit above the law and giving full immunity. and if you want to be to continuous
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class again, not only but a but again, the humanity by listening. well, let's talk about going to national know you raised the issue of international law. you've dismissed suggestions that thomas committed war crimes by firing rockets indiscriminately into israel. one of your spokesmen has them cast them, said, resistance is legitimate and it comes to defend people. all international laws approve legitimate resistance. they may 1 law mr. naive that holds the right to fire rockets indiscriminately at civilian targets. look, 1st of all, it is part of the national law that if you buy people on the colonial sentences, by all means including honors this, not sorry, not firing, had civilian targets indiscriminately. you know that there is no law that allows you to do that. on the contrary,
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it's outlawed by international law. need one lifting me to continue answering is there is no need to the discussion because i kind of, you come with this really not a bit. and, and asked me to oblige you, what's the 2nd we have way come along the last few of the kids on your assign investigation comedy and we have go, but it, it, with all of them. why guess what is that if you're under a shifting, allow, i know you investigation is to come to the ground and to the field and to, to investigate. and we are ready to accept any resolution bed or if we have what committed war crimes. we already talked of this, but why good tell me why it is just not until now, refusing to call, but it included the last one for a few days when i used to accept the decision and to allow this committee
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to come to the goal is to get this efficient. all right, isn't why i don't, i don't speak for israel and nor do you. but the chief un human rights officer, michelle bachelor, condemned israel for its actions. but it had plenty of criticism for hamas. indiscriminate strikes from rocket lawns by her mouth. she said, that's michelle bachelor constituted a clear violation of international humanitarian law. in other words, there is no defense in international law called resistance. and you know, it's why pretend otherwise. ok, again we have, we come the you on interest the committee form after this meeting. so come to here, i'm going to get the deal. do you believe that they want to log in with a lot of media office and look at this a brief fines attacking of
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a militant rules. you will believe that the house is above the heads of families, one of the oddest, needing that what one midnight. it was a brief, 5 attacking $74.00 is called a lot of heads, facilitative infrastructure. these are clear water grass. again, we are ready to receive any your and distribution to the wrong, and we already put those on there and then for in and by the way we did a minute, then this is what we can do. but that's where you have the most sophisticated weapons supported by the, you know, and this, and they can exactly despise their august. but the spite of this they are, they will all says above the history or not. in the 3, i understand, i'm not, i'm asking you to justify what you do. i'm not talking about justifying what israel does. we have asked questions to israel. israel will have to accept whatever
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judgement the international community makes on its actions. but i have to point out that even the palestinians, most ardent supporter in the u. s. congress. ilan, omar said on may the 19th that due to we're guilty of war crimes. she said, bombing a school is a war crime bombing a hospital is a war crime. firing rockets at civilians is also a war crime. do you accept that from her which was still look which which civilian? maybe she meant the civilians, no firing rockets at at blocks of flats. and the blog says elevator, which is what you did not. she didn't love you, but she said what would be fine? she said fire and look are ok indiscriminately or crime ok. but maybe she mean the playing against the civilians who are present in the biggest open business for
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15 years. look, this way is ready to allow the civilian to escape the organ on the camp being in the, in the fire. i think no, this is the problem. you are imprisoning. so many of us in the biggest open air you are stuff ok them you want to do given you are not giving them a shot to survive and then you are talking about the civilian being. but then what, what's in the, in the crossfire again, we are you, i'm your balance investigation and we already talked to any judges or some, based on this change because you got to do when we and i was denied all crimes. you've always suggested that your resistance is legitimate, but you are under suspicion also from the international criminal court, where the chief prosecutor said in march, even before this latest fighting, she had reasonable basis to believe that offences had been committed by both you
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and israel. so you're already on the have you have you went through a lot of suggestion going with is along the last few years and have you seen where they have that he was playing by big violations open? i'm not sure a lot what i'm talking about. probably accurate patients facing how much you speak for her math. ok. you don't for israel, the know i'm talking to know. thank god legation have been talking you for years, especially since the 20 voting conflict. i'm the steel to national the 40 you make that un assembly, you can talk. what do you want? but the, the most important issue is the investigation comedy which can be, he repeated it clearly a few on one thing was on the didn't used to do so we have given the
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scene and the life to defend themselves. they have given the ability to defend their rights of dignity and freedom. and i have to tell you that we are not sure that was simply not true. you are you and i said your methods have been under attack. as i pointed you. the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court said in march, there was reasonable basis to believe that offences had been committed by both you and israel. you as well as the israel, you are mixed in 2 different issues. we have said yes, okay, please. if you believe that there is a ground for what you say, send you, i'm going to get this situation. yeah. wrong. and we already put that. why displayed is rejecting call. but if we are it's but we're not. we can depend on this or announcements, in the general assembly, what we are accepting is the investigation here on the guns. you have never
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accepted any of your command. those to be held to account for breaching the laws of war, have you or for human rights violations. although over the years you have been accused of many human rights violations. you are really what i, what is, what is the source? we have say that when one day, one edition call with the now and 4 pm and in 4000. when they have all the comments and you said we are ready to go over it and we are ready for all the results including being responsible for what we have done. you told human rights watch last year that you'd received 47 complaints of arbitrary arrest and torture during the period from january 2018 to march 2019. not a single case resulted in the conviction of the alleged wrong. do you think that helps your credibility, your perfect. is that what you want the west to believe it is not true. this is
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what you're told right when you were right. and what you know, is that true, that no one, there was a company who was found accountable. i'm not, this is for money. if you look, if you ask me now, such a was to believe me before, to play would need the names and that she was issues and how many of them were, are listed, or both in june for any human rights variation. but to kind of knew this now on to give you some them i have a lot of names of, of where we have with it's a few months why you cracking down on people who demonstrate in gaza during the 15 months period. 2018. 2019. you detained over 4000 people more than 1000. what detained during the march, 2019 demonstrations against the high cost of living. what business? if you've got cracking down on people who are complaining about the lack of freedom,
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why shouldn't they demonstrate when they feel like it? no one has a green them. first of all, the can we have, i can give you a list of 300-4000 piece 11. so this 3 to demonstrate, again that is again from 9 conditions which was not suitable for them to bennett is governmental nationalists. and all of them were secured by the police. second, if you will have some people, some people who wear a 2nd public institutions will properties like police patients or police. i think that will be arrested and lumped them on the course. again, it is not a matter of picking some pieces of some news here or there to form to accuse.
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it's not talking about reports that we've had some for instance, from the palestinian independent commission for human rights. last year they received a 155 complaints of torture and ill treatment by your security personnel up to the 30th of september, and a 138 complaints of arbitrary arrest. again, no indication of your officials allowed to account for this. i was, i was the minister approved for you, i and one on one of these i received more than 5000 complaints from the people to against the facilities. we have investigated and thoroughly in 150 of the 505000. we found some miss miss was when the right of these patients was not respected and we haven't had to get to be more thoroughly. and we found that in only 15 cases,
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there was not going to be submitted with those. and we sentence that, well we have both of them are comfortable for their mistakes and we have taken punishment. i think you have received a complaint, but do you have the response of the or thought? here i am, we've also seen you cracking down on the press last year, the palestinian center for development and media freedoms recorded 61 cases of attacks on journalist in gaza including arbitrary arrest ill treatment during interrogation, confiscation of equipment. physical assaults and bands on reporting. are you proud of all that? no one is wrong. i can not wonderful. i mean the human being and i'm sure no one is left free to go on such violations without being comfortable.
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in each case, we have received any complaints from any site we have take it seriously. we get to thoroughly and anyone who committed any regulations for human rights or breast, we don't know what the mission have been. he had the have been punished or have been we have been on him the needed sentence. if you complain about israelis demolishing palestinian homes, but june the 18th last year your security forces assaulted members of the wish. our family and our age refugee camp. they tried to prevent you from demolishing a structure that belonged to their family because you wanted to build a new road according to the mass and center for human rights. your forces injured? how do may wish i saw who was 90 years old at the time 90,
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as well as 2 of her daughters, all of whom needed hospital treatments. you talk of israeli brutality. your paid thugs assaulted a 90 year old woman who got in their way and then required hospital treatment. have you no shame? long term, i think, which is unfair. to tell me that you are going to discuss some political issues and then to pick pieces off some even see because i have the on the story. but to be taught to have or to talk on behalf of the defense, to find some excuses for their crimes. against people, it is unfair on what i have doing this compensation. thank you very much. it is unfair and i still so so as such was mister name is correct in saying we didn't highlight the topic of human rights in our correspondence before the interview. it's always a major issue in our programs. we're sorry he felt the questions were unfair,
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