now, all the matches that taking place in existing stadiums from munich in southern germany via the russian city of saint petersburg to bar code the capital of as a by john 4000 kilometers way. it's not clear how many spectators will be each match, but there are concerns about so many fans being on the move around the continent. barbara, the euro. 2020 organizes have been working hard to create a positive buzz around the tournament. have they succeeded in doing so? i'm afraid i'm a bit more skeptic about the years even than about the olympics. first of all, and i believe it's a big challenge to have this competition spread over so many different places. meaning that fans will always only gather it at one location and now we also need to make even that is going to be difficult. so i don't really expect like big celebration gloria this atmosphere,

that you would usually get with these tournaments and yeah, still i'm quite sure it's going to respect in the atmosphere. the euro 2020 championships to be similar to tokyo in the sense that i mean we're, we're having to get used to empty stadiums. i think we, we have to 1st we have some people going to have that in tokyo. of the games. they're just so sad because spelled the whole point. they build hydrogen filling stations, hydrogen gas stations all over the place to show the world public how advance japan is all this was in vain now. so the p r side of the event is completely bought. and i think nobody, if you would think that the sports events without spectators should be the norm going forward for i mean, this is the exception in a panoramic and there's not a model different as a euro because they are spectators, as it was

a precondition from the european football soccer buddy. yeah, as i said, only with spectators, at least a certain number of spectators you will be allowed to host these games. so it's a little different. so we will have a kind of atmosphere at the euro, but we will, we won't have it, i guess in tokyo. and when you compare the to get the, the games on this in the huge saca told him. and what we learned by compound comparing the 2, i think we can compare them a totally different thing. olympics are with many, many sports different sports disciplines at one place and should be at one place from my point of view book if that is a so called olympic spirit football, you can play everywhere, doesn't matter. because if you look at on the tv screen, it doesn't matter if it's the most coveted berlin, if it's a munich where it is, it's the same or less. so i don't see a big difference except one thing we had the so called and my adam and german abrasions on the streets during big tournaments. we won't have that this time and

this will never happen if you have a ton of madrid, spread over different countries. at the point, the d, the d centralized nature of the tournament is data future for major competition. i do believe in a, in a little smaller form. yes. spreading over like 2 or 3 neighboring countries. i definitely see an advantage in doing that. i think in this case here, it's a little exaggerated well can events like the olympics or the soccer world cup still be a format for the future vehicle for reconciliation and even peace, or are they too big and to politicized? so g 2014. the winter olympics were the closing ceremony with the masses, as the price tag. these were the most expensive gains to date, costing around $50000000000.00, the ios, the president. and shortly thereafter, russia and ex crimea, in china to the world,

became an autocrat guest 1st at the 2000 a summer games and next year when the country will be hosting the 2022 winter games . the sport facilities are new, but the politics remain unchanged. whether it's the suppression of the democratic protest and hong kong or the internment of weaker. now the, i insist that it has human rights in mind. that's also the shared view of world soccer governing body fever, which wants the 2022 world cup to be held in tar and praises. the reforms made there. however, many immigrant workers have died during the construction of stadiums in the desert . emerett should match major events to be awarded to authoritarian regimes the, to big tough questions and should the major events of this nature like a lympics like the welcome be awarded to, for a terry and regimes. in my opinion, the answer is yes, this should happen because we are one world community on this planet and big part

of the world is not ruled democratically. and why exclude them from the sports world to be doing so much traits this china, we could cut of many other types culturally economically. why reduce the reaction to to sports? why deny authoritarian countries a possibility to host games? hi or should we can for, for returning countries. i mean, i'm saying we, who are we may yet is this is, is, should, should offer italian in the countries a nation speak given a stage for authoritarian politics for making their case. if the situation in these countries is to varying, it's too bad when i would really say ok, it's not possible you can do it in countries where you have a very severe away edition of human rights. that's my opinion. but i'm with you. i say you cannot exclude them at all, but you should use a leverage because you have power isn't sports buddy. and you can use it every to

say ok. you have to fulfill at least some criteria in order to make sure that these games will be held under the conditions of free speech or freedom for example. and it's another case i would say ok, then you cannot bid for the olympics. this is a precondition or for the big championships, but there's a very end, i agree. you cannot excuse them at all in an aspect that directly relate to the games like the construction projects are. so i think you should enforce i a standards, but you should the precondition be i don't know high ranking on the democracy index . probably not. right? no, such for example, you should make, save, makes secure, your free speech press freedom for example, that people are allowed to write and report whatever they want in this country before. and during the games. just to give you one example that is not a place in some countries, and that is for me, very boring it against, by the way, against the so called human olympic spirit. as a lot of this talk, if

a boy out of the 2022 winter olympics in beijing for example, is that you know how much of a blood would you're shaking your head. it's too late. it's too late. i think we would have been discussed had would be needed just cause beforehand that says 7 years ago, 5 years ago. but not, not now we cannot do that. no. it's simply too late. as i sent, they should have used the leverage is an honor to reach some level, at least of let's say, a liberal spirit in these games beforehand. they didn't. and now it's to jason like umbrella rules. for example, of course, when the situation is getting extreme, that under short notice, it decides to withdraw the event like the, the hockey, a word cup, for example, which was supposed to take place in colorado. but in general, of course, it's important to, to negotiate the conditions, heads of, of giving, giving away the olympics for deciding where to take place. if you think that the

big sports can be part of the solution or part of the way back from the set back, the global set back that the corona pandemic has been sexually. yes. because the sports brings people together have been in a situation that separates people in everyday life in between countries. and sports events will be more important than ever to go back to normality and project a sense of well being in the community of nation. yes. so it's more important than, than ever. i would agree with respect to sports in general because as a cultural value, a global cultural value, which we have to respect, i'm not in favor of supporting sports organizations who do exist dropped because they have a very uncharacteristic structure in many federations. and i'm really very skeptical is these are going to your organization or the right bodies to organize

big events. and then again, there is no tentative right now, like the olympics are still the only what, why it's event where people from every corner of the word up participating and people from, from all over the world also watching. so if there is any chance of bringing people together, i think it is the picks not in tokyo because nobody will be there. but so what things from, from all the different part sterile. how are these games going to be going to be very narrow? very strict rules are not only like corona tests every day, but also a strict separation, i believe, for athletes. and during this, i'm not allowed to take trunk public transportation to get in close contact with the police population. also the athletes can only stay there for a very short time, which means that right off of the competition, i think within 48 hours, they have to leave the country again. which means that they are not able to, together to party, to, to, to be there at the closing ceremony in the end,

which is also a very emotional moment usually important for the absolutely the high points of their career. very, very often. absolutely. so this is going to how, how the, this was, the thing of the villain thinks that we get the statement, the best selling, pick several, whatever, you know, where are these and they are going to be bought from the pile. it will be, it's a very, very, very, and all the pick history, i guess we'll have to leave it there. thanks very much for joining us. we're talking about that's ok. lympics probably going to happen. what the say moved, going to be thanks very much for joining us. thanks very much. my guest as well. it enjoyed the show. come back next time. bye bye. i'm sure. the

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