this is even though this dish so shy it and this will studies of your own phone, but we need to differentiate between the place and society of far right. extreme is, who are active in the analog domain, the sort of soon, and that of gamers who have nothing to do with the local field, belong to virtual subcultures and community and even ties in front of you in court . and that distinction is not being made. apprenticeship and is it, it's not an issue that needs addressing by academics and their ivory towers to them . so none of this is, this is then about the capacity of security agencies can take action, the c sides behind it. so what needs to be done to prevent a repetition of the many mistakes of the past? well, we need a huge increase in online policing by may be a factor of 10 or 21. and we need this policing to have a bigger and more visible present site, and that's what we need our experts who are familiar with gaming. it's an issue that crops up all the time for lives. we need legal reforms to cover these online

structures and you have as otherwise these changes won't happen. then we need to talk about the responsibility of local law enforcement because it just doesn't make sense and even more, much bigger. there's practically no prevention in it. and ultimately we have to talk about how this affects things globally on the take. there needs to be a worldwide solution as radicalization is happening online with regularity. and in the us, there are a lone wolf attacks on almost a weekly basis pool. buchanan used to be a high ranking official in the u. s. department of defense. he now works as a security consultant in new zealand. he assisted deal, sorry, in the aftermath of the christ church attack, western security agencies have been late to the party. they've spent so much time and effort in the last, almost 20 years now looking at extremist islam that they haven't paid enough

attention that was going behind the internet walls. where white supremacist perhaps is a dialogue dialectical opposition to the islamic. his have organized very thoroughly their way ahead of the security authorities up until the last 3 years. the issue white supremacist was considered a local law enforcement problem. it was not a national security problem, and this is for the entire western liberal democratic world. now we know that that in fact is false. it's an international phenomena and it needs to be combat it as an international phenomenon with the same rigor that the fight against archive and dash were undertaken. and that for my community is considerable in scope and scale . operating behind the scenes of these loan rules, there were a number of farm right online organizations who have now flooded the internet with

propaganda videos on the laid with techno music. and these groups are also taking over image boards and messaging services like telegram with their ideology, sporting openly aggressive names, one of them alone at home buff, individually or no nuclear weapons division has been responsible for at least 5 murders alone and its propaganda. videos were found on the computer of the synagogue attacker. these groups the fuel by far right ideologies and their ultimate goal is to overthrow society. the manifesto is posted by the attackers of 2019 will repeat with similar if not identical philosophies and steam, where the very same killers probably posted is where groups like the at home, rough and dizzy, and have been recruiting their loan rules. that's been clear now to most european democracies that their biggest threat right now are white extremists. and there are many reasons for that, but the point is the imminent threat is coming from the right. and they've acted

upon it. the thing is they're technological catch up is still lagging when compared to the ability of these rooms to get into encrypted platforms and then move. once they're detected a few months ago, one such online neo nazi grew push shut down in an international police operation. cctv captured lithuanian member of the foyer creed division and placing a bomb outside an international office building in vilnius failed to detonate. a similar bomb plot by another member of the same group targeting a synagogue in las vegas was quoted by the f. b i. a german recruit with the alias . hi, trish the same name as a notorious assessed leader in the 2nd world who was arrested in connection with yet another planned attack we gained access to otherwise private chance among the creativity. oh, well, no moves like brave ish and terence celebrated as heroes. they even received

letters of support in jail. but at the same time the f k. d wanted to create computer games were uses, could reenact to tax in order to attract teenagers as potential new loan, wolves. those recruits had to prove their commitment in tryouts a few years ago. kevin, from the eastern german stage of syringe, joined one such chat group. this was after being introduced to far right, ideology by a family member. but that mindset any assume to violent. i mentioned you to online explosion. these groups have tests of courage that you have to pass as proof of your loyalty. i was basically just a recruiting beginner. that was in my last but kevin did not want to remain a beginner. he yearned recognition and finally foundation the leader of his online group, who then incited him to commit violent attacks. but also told them it was i wanted to rise through the ranks and show when i was made up. i wanted recognition and

that's why i did what i did. i beat someone up until the position i reported to the main leader with a picture of what i done for confirmation that i belonged to the group. they were my family and i do anything for that. and the cabinet has since quit the online group and has now gone back to high school. he's become disillusioned with radical chat rooms. on next step is this sonia where the leader of the fire creek, the video was arrested. we want to know who the individual is, who incited young men to undergo trials, and then prepare plans for terrorist attacks. the. we approached estonian intelligence, while they did not agree to an interview, they insisted that we would not continue our search for the young man in question because he was just 13 years old. senior investigator and this explains the challenges involved in identifying these online neo nazi groups.

usually in those kinds of cases. the problem is how to overcome the a means of concentration and to find boys behind those earlier season and who is full. and the fact is that the person is very young, there is kind of surprise that so young people are capable of having sex influence nowadays. he cannot be persecuted, adult. so i think there's a lot of work to do with the family and the school system. the estonian boy has been placed on a watch list like him, many of the perpetrators in the virtual groups of extremely young un mentioned total 6 tons complete. all these young people chat in very concrete terms about potential targets and enemy to scotty and put it in their stone and their

astonishingly political see my name lloyd, and that's a new development we're seeing what kind of about this could t. and you can talk about whether this is a strategy or a plan, so you'll get employing or activating young people on tv. because in many cases, they're too young to be prosecuted for further off campus auditors. frequently teenagers groomed behind the scenes by season to neo nazis in the case of the estonian boy, the trail leads to russia. if you look at the history of those organizations where they are getting things duration, the usually the, the start from russian personally on the ologist who created those either. and so thinking and there are manifold indications of activities by online, near nancy groups in russia. one current example is renado sorrow, allegedly a former f b i agent, and then known white supremacist. he lives in st. petersburg where he works as

a security consultant. he's also the leader of one of the next most radical found right organizations. the base served to provide a bridge, which in groups and loan will the b, b. c, obtained and broadcast recording of where now the sorrow talking about the group plans. so the best option for us is just to get the ball collapse roll initially creating itself. maybe there is possible and growing from there a few months ago, a number of leading members of the base were arrested in the u. s. on suspicion of planning a terrorist attack that sarah himself continues to live undisturbed in russia. he's been using the internet to recruit minors from across europe for his so called

struggle conducting interviews for potential inductees. a large number of teenage boys in europe have already been groomed by the base. young people are being increasingly exposed to phone, right? ideal, a g on line with a growing number now popping up on the radar of the summer teeth. in many cases, they still haven't formed their own view of the world, which also let us know. we have also identified very internet savvy young people. in some cases they have no awareness of these act being of a criminal nature can tie. and we've also seen a lot of hallmarks of band organizations where we have been found out during interrogation of those accused that they were not driven by nazi ideologists and either fell efficient but almost a 1000 back on the christ church. it became a neo nazi after years of radicalization on the internet. muslim communities and new zealand had been threatened to the series of attacks without the teeth responding. and jim raman received several such threats via the internet following

the christ church massacre, new zealand prime minister, jacinta arden and other world leaders in the to the christ church summit aimed at preventing future lone wolf attacks last year for the christ church call lead us dialogue me thing with a reporter bic. it still seemed to me even after the christ, to take the major focus as i'm a firm. and that's not acceptable. but how do we get the national community to say this is a serious threat in which it is for government to take the threat of loan will seriously now promised adequate funding and international cooperation. that's another question is whether they have the right strategy or not call you mention the leap news call. you need young people know these online community and are

familiar with a symbolism and they have to be involved in police investigation work type committees reporting. otherwise, we won't get this phenomenon that is becoming increasingly more common if under control is to me. and this one crucial challenge in resolving what is now a global problem. increasingly, the loan wolves are able to take refuge behind one of the foundations of western democracies. white supremacists of use internet platforms to actually plan and prepare injectors of the lone wolf small cell types and they use encrypted platforms. they hide behind freedom of speech. so you take advantage of why many c as an achilles heel liberal democracy, which is the protections of offensive speech. there is often a fine line between defending freedom of speech and prosecuting insightful hate speech. appalling footage of mass murder,

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