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nothing has been transferred to my long cardiac in john 9 more than 10 wrong. even if i had i was, it's way as ordered by choice in this cause it has given me a way to transmit my name is gosh, man, much. and i did have i rod co malott age that he served forces during the bosnian war in 2017, the butcher, of bosnia was convicted on charges of genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. today i un court upheld his life sentence for his role in the killing of around 8000 bosnian, muslim men and boys, and what became known as the strep, and it's a massacre. so was this justice and what lessons others still to learn from
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europe's worst atrocities. since world war 2. i'm fil galen berlin and this is the day the to the also got the final judgment. this is a life sentence for the master for crimes committed. someone have to pay for all these children kill here. someone has to pay for the loading. then for housing, the individual identifies individuals into nadia. we still need to be investigated and cross the also on the day and a huge global sting, their b i and police forces around the world tricked hundreds of crooks using planted
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encrypted phones of criminals. so they were chatting in secret on these devices, but the feds were listening and ins, distributors, administrators and agents had so much confidence in the secrecy of their devices that they openly marketed them to other potential users as designed by criminals. busy for criminals, but the devices were actually operated by the f b i the will begin the day in court in the hague, where united nations war crimes judges the rule that, that co melodic will spend the rest of his life in jail upheld the live sentence against 78 year olds, former boss, the military chief for his role in genocide and other atrocities during the bosnian war in the early ninety's luggage, lead troops responsible for a string of deadly campaigns, including the 1995 separate. it's
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a massacre and the feature of see just very over the decision is, is final verdict following his appeals against the convictions and the sentences he received in 2017 this was the final verdict on the so called butcher of bosnia radco luggage in his late seventies will spend the remainder of his life behind bars. you put luggage over saw the cold blooded killing of some 8000 mostly muslim men and boys. when his bosnian serb troops overran the town of trevor, anita the slaughter is the only crime in europe that has been declared to genocide since world war to some of the victims relative travel to the hague. by on historic verdict, the word criminal has live to hear the final ruling on his life sentence. our goal was never for someone to suffer, but to make him take responsibility for what he has done in a city
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a lot. it's held under siege for more than 3 years, while his snipers and shells killed thousands of civilians residence expressed, subdued relief. he deserved the life to do, and i hope that the mothers are satisfied with a burden or at least those who survive toys. but in other bosnian cities, many serves, continue to revere the former military chief, claiming he just tried to protect his people because the people and their politicians will never accept the idea that general latter is a war criminal nor that genocide was committed here can painted banners in the countryside outside of sara, yo, testified to that sentiment to this to day, one of the big challenges we seen the region that individuals who have been convicted for war crimes are still considered as heroes in ours of their community
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. back in reverend ethos, the verdict is an important step. but for these women, there are still no guarantees that the hatred that lead to the deaths of their sons and husbands has disappeared from bosnia and society for good. lamesa christina, survive 899295 bars noon war. she was a child in, sorry, over was it was being shared by bosnian serb troops. today, she's deputy director of remembering strength. and it's charity dedicated to creating a sassy free from hatred by learning the lessons of that conflict. welcome to d. w. can we start with your reaction to the verdicts? radco mothers will not a face life behind bars. yeah, thank you for having me on tonight. my initial reaction obviously was one of i think some rest bite,
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it kind of felt like i could breathe easier. so whenever i know that this is not really the end for us, the fight continues. and i think obviously it's phenomenal that he was convicted on 10 out of the 11 charges as well as the charge of genocide. however, i think there are so many body and families and survivors that are still morning. and really, i think really from the fact that that 11 count, that count were genocide in other municipalities. unfortunately, it was not counted, he was acquitted, that you said that the voting allows you to breathe a little easier. there was doubt in your mind that, that he's, he's voting so it would be upheld i, you know, i think as a bargain survivor, i have,
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i have learned to always be prepared for the absolute words. does journey towards us getting a sense of justice has just been so immensely long. i mean, it's been 26 years. i'm now you know, full grown adult and my thirties with a child of my own. and for me, this process started when i was, you know, the age that my daughter is now actually. so i think for us we have just always had to be cautiously optimistic. there was always a little thing in the back of my head. why don't we equip, what do we do then children? interesting. and then you sit there and you look at your daughter. anything? well, what i was your age. things were so so different. yeah, absolutely. and obviously, you know, as a mother, i'm extremely thankful that you know, she does not have to go through what i went through. and in fact, you know, i've made it really my life's mission as a survivor of the war in the genocide,
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to ensure that other children don't have to go through what i went through. and it's this weird experience. when you grow up, you become a mother yourself and a parent and you realize, wow, any dots only when i actually realized how awful it was, what we had to go through and the circumstances and the environment that we really forced into, which was one of you know, fearing for your life when a daily basis and it took gruesome that that was our life that was our daily reality being without water being without being without food and obviously you know, living and you're not just that i was going to be shelled or bonder serves older was going to come to take me away. but knowing that there was members of my family that were imprisoned in concentration camps knowing that there's the possibility. and in fact, it ended up being true that there was so many of my loved ones that i knew i would
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never see again. and this was, you know, as somebody who is only 56 years old. so it's having that knowledge as a very, very young child really does with you for robert and 26 years on we have peace, but we also have the affection of society that has the governor who feel rudco lot h as a hero, we had in the report one person saying that people will never accept that luggage is a war criminal nor that genocide was committed. how does one society co here? how do you stick together when this terrible thing happened? and there are people amongst you, refuse to believe that it did, or that it wasn't justified? well, it's very difficult. i think this is really where, you know, there's the mist police. i think feeling of
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a lot of people who believe that by receiving diverting he is that he did receive getting life imprisonment. justice has been served and now the country can move forward and recover. but that's not going to be the case because even today, obviously as somebody is highly outspoken about the bogging genocide, you know, i received to have emails and draft from last quarter. and that is an almost daily reality for me. how do we move on when there's people who believe that, how do we i think the question we should really be asking is, what can everyone else do to help bosnian involves actually become a more cohesive community and a stable society. okay, so your stage and what should, what should we be doing? well, for one, i think the, you know, this sort of normalizing of people like me or the president of republican
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scott, the entity and even people like which is the president of serbia who both of them to this. they deny the genocide. it's not the regular people that really have any control or power. and honestly, if it's a random stranger who thinks the ethical adage is a hero and isn't guilty, that's not so much of an issue as it is when it's on a state level. and it's absolutely on a state level and i think that's what the international community has to understand that there are still politicians who are held by the international community. we're absolutely denying the genocide instigating up no nationalism continuing to. so those seeds of hatred until that's fixed until there's i think some harsh, i think maybe interference or punishment and even you know, a ban on jet upside,
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denial or punishment of genocide reliable isn't being as a form of hate speech until any of things occur. i just don't see anything actually progressing and so the work continues. thank you so much for joining us on a costume from remembering stripping is the police forces around the world have made hundreds of arrests as part of a major sting targeting organized crime networks. investigators gathered evidence by tricking suspects in using a messaging app that was actually controlled by the f. b i in the united states criminals. so the encrypted chattsworth secured but didn't know the police were intercepting and beating their communications. as they plotted drug deals steals and murder, drugs, guns, and money,
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lots of money. that's on top of over $800.00 arrests worldwide in operation trojan shield. top law enforcement officials around the world worked together to distribute $20000.00 devices. they named an arm to criminals who thought their messages were encrypted. while police read their communications, police disrupted dozens of plots. users who tried to check in on the website on tuesday were greeted with this message. this domain has been seized. the f b. i gave details and to give you an idea of the magnitude of our penetration, we were able to actually see photographs of hundreds of tons of cocaine that were concealed in shipments of fruit. we are able to see hundreds of killers and cocaine that were concealed in can goods,
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australia and police mounted raids based on intercepted messages in swedish, and that cops among others in germany, police made dozens of arrests. is a muslim ist, and this measure is a very, very big blow against organized crime. which increasingly uses encrypted internet communications to plan deeds his profession top and thinking that these communications cannot be perceived and monitored by law enforcement agencies involved in non want basement supplies. and authorities admitted that they were only able to intercept a small percentage of criminal chat worldwide, but they sent a message. no communications are truly safe. well, let's look at this with a raphael best song who's an expert on you and jim and security policy from the german institute for international insecurity. fast welcome to
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d w. so we've got around 9000 police arresting more than 800 suspects and 16 countries. that's quite a coordination and quite an achievement. sure it is. i mean, the big show operation for the f b i and all those involved certainly gonna law for some time the after effect. so this is the beginning of a longer campaign that we'll see. but of course, you also have to be realistic when you're pull it filled right through the report, you know, the hydra. so you went ahead and scroll back and i think that's what we have to always my goal. so when i see a patients like this, especially one on such a vast scale, only all these police officers around the world going and at the same time, it begs the question, does this mean that crimes were allowed to go ahead over the 2 years of this
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investigation in order to avoid the criminals knowing that they were actually that, that communications were actually compromised. was also incorrect. the details were really shared, but that was a massive thing operation basically. and it's also telling, i mean there was been previous takeovers, all those communications in europe and quick chat that was last year. but i was actually a few months which was running for almost 3 years, or 2 and a half years. and i think for those the operations, many european services are not allowed to do this in this kind of manner. so yeah, i suppose that they kind of kept the cover for quite some time. and it's, you know, it's just like a film because that the criminal justice system so much that they were actually recommending them to each other. yeah, i mean that was one of the reasons opperation that the,
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when i just did that with the b service provider taking down my kid was one before in canada and there was another one in march been taken down. so, i mean there are many, many more, but those 3 take down create a new demand and that was the actual strategy to floor, to have more people floating to the new operate service. so, so that was the kind of sequence that they were kind of hoping the criminal would not see the truck. i don't think that's going to be repeatable anytime soon, unless that already out there. and of course, this is a very different way for law enforcement to act, instead of arguing with the likes of apple to get them to help them. a lot criminals phones, they effectively made their own. yeah, i mean, this is really a bold. i mean, i don't think this could have really been organized here. i don't want to judge
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policing tactics and well, the apple phone that was in the very successful this was a very rich and deep intelligence mine into the operation. so, but other thing i don't think we can expect to be the law for the future, but of course the good find the police are catching up and also modernizing the ways of working and how does it work and organizing while i'm staying over so many different jurisdictions well, i mean, believe we're always in international, i mean, interposed already more in the previous phone, more than a 100 years old. so it's not like police news. but of course, this is a new quality of international cooperation, and i think many are to plot it for that. and i have international networks for decades. and here, you know, it's no accident history or a new reading, taking part. but all your opponent are important to it and any other european services. so i think they have been a member of operations the last couple of years because spot man start darkness
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creating places again on the chat services that i've kind of created community policing, the da sheldon, to finish the french that's the does shop in the west thing that's, that's what we seeing and these kind of experts really were cross borders because well, of course of the criminal workforce borders until 2. thank you so much for joining us. rafael by song from the gemini institute for international insecurity affairs. thank you. i want to be clear to folks in this region. we're thinking about making that dangerous track to the united states. mexico board or do not come me do not has come harris and guatemala, with a clear message to would be my grants the us vice president of is on her 1st foreign trips since taking office. she's been to mexico,
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where she met the president, dancers, manuel lopez open the door and took past the signing of a memorandum on how to tackle the causes of migration, including poverty and political oppression. let's get more of this from d. w correspondent, calvin achieve more in washington dc. welcome, catalina. so do not come. that's quite a use comparison vice president's compassionate rhetoric when she was campaigning. how people reacting to the switch. harris has been criticized from members of her own party here in washington. feel not only because it's a u turn in the immigration policy that bite in harris administration originally promised. but also because it is quite surprising to hear these words from a woman who her telephone, the daughter of immigrants who came to the united states from india and jamaica for many hearing the words do not come from a vice president who based her whole political campaign and stressing that she is
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the daughter of immigrants, and who knows about migrants are often in a situation where they just don't have a choice. has been a disappointment. congresswoman alexandra, have you cortez, for example, cold terry's comments truly disappointing and said that seeking asylum is a legal means of entry. and this whole trip and the words vice president harris has chosen just so that the bite and harris administration is really under a big political pressure in this issue. right? it's not what, what is prompted this, this change of tone, because this is a decades old problem. it if its politics fail, what the democrats are working on here is on avoiding the images of a crowd childers. have the us border. the ones we saw actually march and april this year, and the republicans, especially the trump supporters have been using these images from this house border to construct a narrative of fear of threat and in the united states. and this will become,
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of course, even more important the closer when you get to the midterm elections next year. it's important to stress also that the democrats have a razor thin majority in the congress. and they can't really afford to lose a seat in the midterm elections. if they lose the majority in congress, they will be in a lane that situation where they will just not be able to govern. but what makes cooperation with the northern triangle really difficult problem. the problem for us wants to tackle our, our, also in the governments like for example, corruption. and we can see this in on do that is what makes it really difficult for the united states to cooperate with some of these governments also including mexico . well, it's a president, trump may did his best, so try to make it an attractive for people to reach the, the border. this administration seems to be trying to make it both attractive for people to stay in mexico. how are they doing that?
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the us is trying to address the root causes of already mentioned in the northern triangle. that means and what am i, let's talk about or, and, and on, do it as like corruption, like violence and also the economic crisis. we are all industrial pandemic, and what am i, as well as in mexico, the us side has signed a series of announcements to fight corruption. and at the same time, to empower in this initiative is from the civil society and also including the private sector. but these are really long standing problems and they need long term solutions. thank you for that. kerry that you more in washington. and of course, this is not just a mexican problem. every year. hundreds of thousands of people traveled north from central america through mexico in the hope of making it to the united states. the w reporter i tore cyrus has been to the city of a top of tula in northern mexico and southern mexico. near the border with
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guatemala, it's one of the key arrival points for undocumented central american migrant. danny rios travelled from honduras to mexico with her 2 daughters and 2 nephews. they've just been detained at a checkpoint and a jeweler and don't know where they will be taken alone as they arrived last monday . we've been hungry and slept in the park because we had nowhere to sleep. just trying to hold on. none august, sanchez has been running a shelter for migraines and habit. schuler for 3 decades. she's noticed that since you as president joe biden to power more and more women are arriving alone with their children. they say, you know, sometimes there's a bottleneck in the north and a bottleneck here. we don't know what to do, but people are still coming by. migrants are forced to seek asylum 1st and mexico before they can continue their journey towards the us. the authorities estimate
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will receive about $100000.00 asylum applications this year. that's more than double the number of last year. the paperwork used to take about 20 days to process . now it takes months. that's less thousands of migraines from haiti and central america stranded in top of chula struggling to survive several n g o say it's part of a deliberate political strategy to dissuade the migrants from leaving their countries. the u. s. refugee agency says governments need to do more as a one my, your we are calling for a greater effort from all countries. if worse, there's not just one country that has to deal with this situation by you get to pick up, we're seeing it across the region. and all the leaders have to be involved in getting ready to go. danny and her family spent all their savings to flee the violence in their neighborhood and, and his father was recently killed by gang members. so
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people who killed the boy's father threatening us to we don't want to go back to 100 know locked in this fan and worried about deportation. they feared they've invested everything just to end up back where they started. and that was the day i've ever the conversation continues online at times on twitter at the w news. the news. the news, the news news
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me the news . this is the w news line from hi tech, right? targets global gangs, police around the world make more than $800.00 arrest after law enforcement agents sold, encrypted photos to organized criminals or men monitor that messages. as i plotted drug deal shipments and murder. also on the program. us judges uphold radco legit, life sentence. and his convictions for genocide,
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crimes against humanity and war crimes form a military command in there behind its reference to massacre was fenced the rest of his life in prison. and as the rain stuck off canyon's coast dwindling here about a local initiative to change fishing methods, but a more sustainable future the the, me until gale, welcome to the program. place horses around the world have made hundreds of arrests as part of a major sting targeting organized crime networks. investigators say they gathered evidence by tricking suspects into using a messaging app controlled by the f b i. in the united states, the high tech burst has been described as an unprecedented blow against a crime, gaggs, drugs, guns, and money,
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lots of money. that's on top of over $800.00 arrests worldwide in operation trojan shield. top law enforcement officials around the world worked together to distribute $20000.00 devices. they named an arm to criminals who thought their messages were encrypted. while police read their communications, police disrupted dozens of plots. users who tried to check in on the website on tuesday were greeted with this message. this domain has been seized, the f b. i gave details. and to give you an idea of the magnitude of our penetration, we were able to actually see photographs of hundreds of tons of cocaine that were concealed in shipments of fruit. we are able to see hundreds of killers
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and cocaine that were concealed and can goods. australian police mounted raids based on, intercepted messages in swedish, and that's cops among others. in germany, police made dozens of arrests. these muslim ist, and this measure is a very, very big blow against organized crime. which increasingly uses encrypted internet communications to plan deeds top thinking that these communications cannot be perceived and monitored by law enforcement agencies involved and non want basement supplies. and authorities admitted that they were only able to intercept a small percentage of criminal chat worldwide. but they sent a message, no communications are truly safe. lillia i asked a political correspondent, hans brands, why or thought she had decided to act. now that has not really been any official
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statement regarding that after all, that have been listening in on this communication for a year and a half. and one would imagine that they could have continued doing so for ever. but there seems to be some indication that certain criminal acts are very, very serious nature could be prevented by acting. now that has been talk of somewhere around several dozen murders that have been plans that have not been prevented. 10 of them in sweden, for instance. and there is also to be considered that of much of this evidence is not necessarily admissible in court. there are certain surety distinctions, certain countries that put very severe restrictions on listening into communication . and so the limited amount of communication that was listen to could still be used in court and seems, but in some restrictions, the course seemed not to have allowed,
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further listening in on such communication as brant radco luggage will spend the rest of his life in jail human judges have upheld before me above me and said military commanders, life sentence for masterminding genocide and other trustees during the bosnian war and the early 1990 s luggage lead troops responsible for a string of deadly campaigns, including the 1995 strep and its massacre and the sea, just sorry. this was the final verdict on the so called butcher of bosnia radco luggage in his late seventies will spend the remainder of his life behind bars. you put luggage over saw the cold blooded killing of some 8000 mostly muslim men and boys when his bosnian serb troops over around the town of reverend pizza. the slaughter is the only crime in europe that has been declared to genocide since world war to some of the victims,
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relative travel to the hague. by on historic verdict, the war criminal has lived to hear the final ruling on his life sentence. our goal was never for someone to suffer, but to make him take responsibility for what he has done. the victims are never fully satisfied with judgments, but i am partly satisfied today. otherwise none and sarah yet insidious lot a child under siege for more than 3 years. while his snipers and shells killed thousands of civilians residence expressed, subdued relief may seem deserved the life to do. and i hope that's a mother's estimate. bernice are satisfied with averting at least those who survived. hoist law destroy my life. sentence is not enough lot. it should be sentenced to death. just as he sentenced to death and killed us over here will be with you. not because it but in other bosnian cities,
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many serbs continued to revere, the former military chief, claiming he just tried to protect his people because the people and their politicians will never accept the idea that general latter is the work criminal nor that genocide was committed here can painted banners in the countryside outside of sara. you vote. testify to that sentiment to this, to day one of the big challenges we seen the region that individuals who have being convicted for war crimes are still considered as heroes in ours of their communities and who is really a very sad development and definitely not contributing positively to the process of reconciliation. back in trevor nisa, the verdict is an important step. but for these women, there are still no guarantees that the hatred that lead to the deaths of their sons
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and husbands has disappeared from bosnia and society for good. w report jack para, has spent the day in the hague listening to the verdict and talking to survives and witnesses. welcome jack. so what will happen to rod comb luggage now? well, what happened after the trial when he heard that his appeal was being done and that he was still going to be convicted of genocide and the war crimes that he had been convicted of in 2017. he scowled at the judges, but he didn't have one of the sort of cantankerous that has been a bit of a hallmark of his trial over the last decade. shortly after the trial, his protected vehicle was taken to the detention center where people facing international tribunals in the hague are kept. i was unclear, there is exactly where he will spend the rest of his life sentence just few weeks ago. rather than encouraged. she was also convicted of the genocide,
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many war crimes relating to reverend eastern, the sea just r e a vote was transferred to prison in the united kingdom, and the u. n. will not have to decide in the countries of the u. n. is exactly why right comb luggage is sent in order to serve the rest of his life sentence, which we know now has been up how it was that the verdict marks end of the un international criminal tribunal for the former yugoslavia. but does that mean it's work is completely done? well, i think the legal issues are pretty much completely done. there are a couple of contempt of court cases, still wheeling their way through the mechanisms here. but broadly, this is the end of the tribunal for those crimes that took place in the former yugoslavia. but the reality is, is that the political divisions, specifically in republic, a subs go which is a predominant view of ethnic region of bosnia and herzegovina,
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is still very much divided on the issues that led to the violence back then in the ninety's including miller, i told him who is the leader of that region. republic who is repeatedly said that the genocide is forever, needs to never happen on the right code. that is not a war criminal. so there are also divisions, but some of the people we've been speaking to here today, including some of the leading voices in the mothers. the reverend i said simply that they believed that this trial and i need to put a line in the sand and the society and the people of that part of the world need to use. it is a loans types of some sorts of reconciliation that she related to this sort of nuremberg trials off of the 2nd world war. and how once they were finished, that was a point for germany and the surrounding countries to rebuild them. afterwards. ones justice, that being said, and i think there is a sense even the have, the court has done its job. but now obviously there is a lot of political sort of strings left on time that needs to be sorted out. so
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jack patrick in the hague. thank you. let's take a look at some more stores making news around the world. now us vice president come la harris and mexican president andras, my mom lopez open a door of hell talks of migration and it causes they witness. they signing of a memorandum the names to boost corporation on 8 and development programs in central america. united states, stan on french president emanuel macro has been slapped in the face during the walk of us in a small town in the southeast of his country. insecurity entourage quickly pulled him on to the ground president describe the incident as an isolated event is that ultra violent people must not be allowed to take over the public debate to be said to people and be detained. canadian prime minister just intruder has condemned a truck attack that killed 4 members of the muslim family. he told parliament it was a terror attack, motivated by hatred. and 9 year old boy was the only survivor when the truck struck
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his family in the city of london in ontario on sunday. bruce presidential election is still too close to call with more than $100.00. 5 percent of the vote counting left is to convert a petro castillo is taking a slim lead the right wing rival k code 40 more. it is alleging voting irregularities, uses supporting the feeling both a state party rejects the allegations, international, empty committee of the times. the members of it's a refugee thing for july tokyo games. this is the 2nd time a refugee team will take part in the olympics. the 1st was in 2016 in rio, in an effort to help with ada. it's affected by the world wide refugee crisis. so congratulations to all of your you the us, the refugee olympic theme. tokyo 2020. and we are extremely proud of you
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and we thank you for all the energy you are bringing to the olympic community and to the olympic games. just been a couple of days. that's how i see president thomas bock welcome, the athletes who will represent the refugee team in tokyo. 29 athletes from 11 countries were selected by the i o c's executive board. that means almost 3 times as many refugees as the last games in rio, we'll get the chance to live the of them pick dream. unfortunately, the reasons why we created these teams still persists that we even have more forcibly displaced persons in the, in the world. right now, and therefore a, it went with i would think that we also wanted to create an i or c refugee olympic team, a talk with 2020 the i o. c. selection process was based on several criteria,
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including performance, refugee status and personal background. the organization also wanted to achieve a balance when it came to the athletes, sports, genders, and regions. it means so much it means so much for us because it means really showing that refugees, young refugees, are competitive. just like all other young people. it gives so much hope to old refugees around the world, and he sent a positive message about an issue that is so often difficult and contentious. during the opening ceremony, the team will enter the stadium, 2nd after greece. the ancient games founders fail, compete under the olympic flag and with the olympic him as they are, and them the team will continue to receive support after the games. each member of the refugee team has a unique and inspiring story,
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but they all share one dream. what we go quick reminder of our top story is our low impulse with agencies around the world have made hundreds of arresting what's being called unprecedented blows against organized crime. investigators use a messaging app, the criminals thought was encrypted despite on their communications up to date. so more world news at the top of the, our favorite bit late has your business updates in just the the agenda love banning thing away. i'm not going to my own everyone with later holes in every day getting you ready to meet the gym and then join me rachel, to it on the w every day for us and
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