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to remind myself, because i grew up in a completely different way. broad pluralistic jewish in europe. the 2 port documentary starts july 5th on d, w. ah. ah, this is, these are the news and these are top stories, low enforcement agencies around the world have made hundreds of arrest as part of a thing targeting organized crime networks. investigators say they gathered evidence by tricking suspects to using a messaging app that was actually controlled by the f b. i please read the communications as they planned drug deals, weapons sales, and murder. un judges have upheld the sentence and charges against colon bosnian serb military commander, rock co,
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melodic special is the final verdict for him after he appealed his life sentence and conviction for genocide, crimes against humanity and war crime lodge was the commander behind the 1995 strip anita massacre and other atrocities during the bosnian war, but the french president in my name a crowd was slapped in the face during a walk about in a small town in south east france is security entourage pulled the man to the ground. the president described the incident as an isolated event. police have detained 2 people. this is dw news from berlin. you can find much more on our website, d, w dot com, the oh, a lot. it's that he said forces during the bosnian war in 2017. the butcher of boss there was
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convicted on charges of genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. today, you and court upheld his life sentence for his role in the killing of around 8000 bosnian, muslim men and boys, and what became known as a strep. and it's a massacre. so was this justice and what lessons are there still to learn from europe's worst atrocities since world war 2? i'm fil galen berlin, and this is the day. the news today also night each final judgment dismisses me, gives a life sentence for the master for crimes committed, someone have to pay for all these children kill here. someone has to pay for
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downloading them for housing. the individual identifies individuals in the family. now we still need to be investigated and prosecute the also on the day and a huge global sting, their police forces around the world to tricked hundreds of crooks using planted encrypted phones the criminals. so they were chatting in secret on these devices, but the feds were listening and the distributors, administrators and agents had so much competency in the secrecy of their devices that they openly marketed them to other potential users as designed by criminals for criminals. but the devices were actually operated by the f b. i will begin today in court, in the hague, where united nations war crimes judges have rule that, that co melodic will spend the rest of his life in jail and upheld the live
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sentence against the 78 year old form above the military chief for his role in genocide and other atrocities during the bosnian war in the early ninety's luggage lead troops responsible for a string of deadly campaigns, including the 1995. reverend it's a massacre. and the feature of c just ferry over the decision is his final verdict following his appeals against the convictions and the sentences he received in 2017 . that this was the final verdict on the so called butcher of bosnia radco luggage in his late seventies will spend the remainder of his life behind bars. lodge over saw the cold blooded killing of some 8000 mostly muslim men and boys. when his bosnian serb troops overran the town of trevor, anita the slaughter is the only crime in europe that has been declared to genocide since world war 2. some of the victims,
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relatives travel to the hague pion. and this is the historic verdict. the war criminal has lived to hear the final ruling on his life sentence. our goal was never for someone to suffer, but to make him take responsibility for what he has done in sara a city lot. it's held under siege for more than 3 years. while his snipers and shells cold, thousands of civilians residence expressed, subdued relief may seem deserved the life. and i hope that the mothers are satisfied with the burden. at least those who survive toys. but in other bosnian cities, many serves, continue to revere the former military chief, claiming he just tried to protect his people because the people and their politicians will never accept the idea that general ladder to the war criminal nor that genocide was committed here time painted banners in the
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countryside outside of sara hugo testified to that sentiment. today, one of the big challenges we seen, the region that individuals who have been convicted for war crimes are still considered as heroes in parts of their community. back and reverend isa, the verdict is an important step. but for these women, there are still no guarantees that the hatred that lead to the deaths of their sons and husbands has disappeared from bosnian society for good laneesa, castorena's survival, 99295000 in war. she was a child im sorry, over it was it was being shared by bosnian serb troops. today she is deputy director of remembering strep, and its charity dedicated to creating a size the free from hatred by learning the lessons of that conflict. welcome to
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d. w. can we start with your reaction to the verdicts? radco luggage will now face life behind bars. yeah, thank you for having me on tonight. my initial reaction obviously was one of i think some rest bite. it kind of felt like i could breathe easier. however, i know that this is not really the end for us to fight continue. i think obviously it's phenomenal that he was convicted on 10 out of the 11 charges as well as the charge of genocide. however, i think there are so many body and families and survivors that are still warning. and really, i think really from the fact that that 11 count count were genocide in other municipalities. unfortunately,
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that was not counted. he was acquitted of that. you said that the voting allows you to breathe a little easier. there was doubt in your mind that, that, that he's, he's voting would be upheld. i, you know, i think as a bargain survivor, i have, i have learned to always be prepared for the absolute words. does journey towards us getting a sense of justice. there's just been so immensely long. i mean, it's been 26 years. i'm now you know, full grown adult and my thirties with a child with my own. and for me, this process started when i was, you know, the age that my daughter is now actually. so i think for us we have just always had to be cautiously optimistic. there was always a little thing in the back of my head. why don't we equip them? what do we do then? children? interesting. and then you sit there and you, you look at your daughter,
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anything. well, what i was your age. things were so so different. yeah, absolutely. and obviously, you know, as a mother, i'm extremely thankful that you know, she, it does not have to go through what i went through. and in fact, you know, i've made it really my life mission as a survivor of the war into genocide to ensure that other children don't have to go through what i went through. and it's this weird experience. when you grow up, you become a mother yourself and a parent and you realize, wow, i think that's only when i actually realized how awful it was, what we had to go through and the circumstances and the environment that we really forced into, which was one you know very for life when a daily basis and it's just gruesome that was our life. that was our daily reality being without water being without being without food and obviously, you know,
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living and you're not just that i was going to be shelter or bond or service order was going to come to take me away. but knowing that there was members of my family that were imprisoned in concentration camps, knowing that there is a possibility. and in fact, it ended up being true that there was so many of my loved ones that i knew i would never see again. and this was, you know, as somebody who was only 56 years old. so having that knowledge is a very, very young child really does stay with you for robert and 26 years on. we have peace, but we also have a section of society that has the governor who feel rudco language as a hero. we had in the report, one person saying that people will never accept that language is a war criminal nor that genocide was committed. how does one society co here, how do you stick together when this terrible thing happened?
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and there are people amongst you, refuse to believe that it did, or that it wasn't justified? the, well, it's very difficult. i think this is really where, you know, there's this missed place. i think feeling of a lot of people who believe that by receiving diverting he is that he did receive, getting life improvement justice has been served, but now the country can move forward and recover. but that's not going to be the case because even today, obviously if somebody is highly outspoken about the bombing genocide, you know, i received to have emails and draft from last quarter. and that is an almost daily reality for me. how do we move on when there's people who believe that, how do we i think the question we should really be asking is,
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what can everyone else do to help bob being involved actually become a more cohesive community and a stable society. okay, so your stage and what should, what should we be doing? well for one, i think the, you know, this sort of normalizing of people like your dog, the president, to look at subscriber entity. and even people like watch the president of serbia who both of them to dis, they deny the genocide. it's not the regular people that really have any control or power. and honestly, if it's a random stranger who thinks the ethical adage is a hero and isn't guilty, that's not so much of an issue as it is when it's on a state level. and it's absolutely on a state level. and i think that's what the international community has to understand that there are still politicians who are held by the international
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community. we're absolutely denying the genocide instigating as no nationalism continuing to. so those seeds of hatred until that's fixed until there's i think some harsh, i think may be interference or punishment and event you know, a ban on jet upside, denial or punishment of genocide reliable isn't being as a form of hate speech until any of things are occur, i just don't see anything actually progressing and so the work continues. thank you so much for joining us on a costume from remembering stripping is the police forces around the world have made hundreds of arrests as part of a major sting targeting organized crime networks. investigators gathered evidence by tricking suspects in using
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a messaging app that was actually controlled by the f. b i in the united states criminal. so the encrypted shots were secure, but didn't know the police were intercepting and beating their communications. as they plotted drug deals steals and murder, drugs, guns, and money, lots of money. that's on top of over $800.00 arrests worldwide in operation trojan shield. top law enforcement officials around the world worked together to distribute $20000.00 devices. they named an arm to criminals who thought their messages were encrypted. while police read their communications, police disrupted dozens of plots. users who tried to check in on the website on tuesday were greeted with this message. this domain has been seized. the f b i gave details and to give you an idea of the magnitude of our
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penetration, we were able to actually see photographs of hundreds of tons of cocaine that were concealed in shipments of fruit. we are able to see hundreds of killers and cocaine that were concealed and canned goods. australian police mounted raids based on intercepted messages in swedish and dutch cops among others. in germany, police made dozens of arrests. even moslem is and there is measure is a very, very big blow against organized crime which increasingly uses encrypted internet communications to plan deeds. top top thinking that these communications cannot be perceived and monitored by law enforcement agencies involved and non want basement flies back then. authorities admitted that they were only able to
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intercept a small percentage of criminal chat worldwide, but they sent a message. no communications are truly safe. well that's, i'm a look at this with rafael. a song who's an expert on e in german security policy from the german institute for international insecurity affairs. welcome to d. w. so we've got around 9000 police arresting more than 800 suspects and 16 countries. that's quite a coordination and quite an achievement. sure. i mean, the big show operation for the f b i and all those involved certainly going to law for some time the after effect. so this is the beginning of a longer campaign that we'll see. but of course, we also have to be realistic when you're a bullet filled, right, that is report, you know,
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the hydra. so you went ahead and scroll back and i think the stuff we have to deal with my cellphone. so when i see a patients like this, especially one on such a vast scale, all these, all these police officers around the world going and at the same time, it begs the question, does this mean that crimes were allowed to go ahead over the 2 years of this investigation in order to avoid the criminals knowing that they were actually that, that communications were actually compromised. was also information details were really shared. but that was a massive sting operation, basically. and it's also part telling, i mean there was been previous takeovers of those communications in europe and project that was last year. but i was hacked for a few months, which was running for almost 3 years, a 2 and a half years. and the i thing for those, the operations, many europeans are allowed to do this in this kind of manner. so yeah,
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i suppose that they can't, they come for quite some time. and it's, it's another, it's just like a film because that the criminal justice system. so much that they were actually recommending them to each other. yeah, i mean that was one of the reasons opperation when i just did that with the b service provider taken down, my kid was one before in canada and there was another one in march being taken down . so, i mean, there are many, many more, but those 3 take down create a new demand, and that was the actual strategy to flaw, to have more people floating into this kind of new british service. so, so that was kind of sequence that they were kind of hoping the criminal would not see the truck. i don't think that's going to be repeatable anytime soon, unless they're already out there. and of course, this is a very different way for law enforcement to acts,
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instead of arguing with the likes to get them to help them. a lot criminals phones, they effectively made their own. yeah, i mean, this is really a bold. i mean, i don't think this could have really been organized here. i don't want to just do this just didn't policing tactics and the apple phone that was awesome. a very successful. this was a very rich and deep intelligence mining to the operation. so, but other thing i don't think we can expect to be the norm for the future, but of course is a good size of police catching up and also modernizing the ways of working and how does it work and organizing while i'm staying over so many different jurisdictions well, i mean, believe we're always going into national, i mean, interposed already more in the previous phone, more than a 100 years old. so it's not like police are new to this path. but of course,
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this is a new quality of international cooperation. and i think many are 2 products that i'm into the i have international networks for decades and the fear no accident history or even taking part. but all your opponent, they're important to it and any other european services. so i think there have been a number of operations and last couple of years because spot man start darkness trading places again on the chat services kind of creating community high tech leasing. the dutch held him to finish the french from the dutch shop in the west. thing that's, that's what we seeing. and these kind of experts really work cross borders because, well, of course, also kind of work orders to tell you. thank you so much for joining us. raphael by song from the gemini institute for international insecurity. fast thank you. i want to be clear to folks in this region who are thinking about making that dangerous track to the united states. mexico board or do not
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come me, do not as common. harris, in guatemala, with a clear message to would be my grants the us vice president of it is on her 1st foreign trips and taking office. she's been to mexico, where she met a president on jasmine randall lopez, oprah door, and to pass the signing of a memorandum on how to tackle the big causes of migration, including poverty and political oppression. let's get more of this from d. w correspondent carrying that you have more in washington dc. welcome kind of in . so do not come. that's quite a usa compact vice president's compassionate rhetoric when she was campaigning with people reacting to the switch. harris has been criticized from members of her own party here in washington. fail not only because
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it's a u turn in the immigration policy that by then harris administration originally promised. but also because it is quite surprising to hear these words from a woman who her telephone, the daughter of immigrants who came to the united states from india and jamaica for many hearing the words do not come from a vice president who base her whole political campaign and stressing that she is the daughter of immigrants, and who knows that migrants are often in a situation where they just don't have a choice. has been a disappointment. congresswoman alexandra has the cortez, for example, cold terry's comments truly disappointing and said that seeking asylum is a legal means of entry. this whole trip and the words vice president harris has chosen just hold that the by the harris administration is really under a big political pressure in this issue. right? it's not what, what is prompted this, this change of tone, because this is a decades old problem. it is its politics, phil,
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what the democrats are working on here is on avoiding the images of crowded childers. have the us border, the ones we saw actually march and april this year. and the republicans, especially the trump supporters, have been using these images from this house border to construct a narrative of fear of threat and in the united states. and this will become, of course, even more important the closer when you get to the midterm elections next year. it's important to stress also the democrats have a razor thin majority in congress and they can't really afford to lose a seat in the midterm elections if they lose the majority in congress, they will be in a lanes acceleration where they will just not being able to govern. but what makes cooperation with the northern triangle really difficult is that a problem? the problem for us wants to tackle are also in the same governments, like, for example, corruption. and we can see this, and that is what makes it really difficult for the united states to cooperate with
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some of these governments also including mexico. so president trump made did his best to try and make it an attractive for people to reach the border. this administration seems to be trying to make it more attractive for people to stay in mexico. how are they doing that? the us is trying to address the root causes us us are already mentioned in the northern triangle. that means and what am i? let's talk about or, and in, on buddha's, like corruption, like violence and also the economic crisis. we are all industrial pandemic. and what am i allowed as well as in mexico, the us side has times a series of announcements to fight corruption. and at the same time, to empower initiatives from the civil society and also including the private sector . but these are really long standing problems and they need long term solutions. thank you for that kerry that you're more in washington. of course,
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this is not just a mexican problem. every year, hundreds of thousands of people traveled north from central america through mexico in the hope of making it to the united states. the w reporter i tore say us has been to the city of the top of tula in northern mexico and southern mexico. near the border with guatemala, it's one of the key arrival points for undocumented central american migrants. danny rios traveled from honduras to mexico with her 2 daughters and 2 nephews. they've just been detained at a checkpoint in tampa, tula, and don't know where they will be taken as they arrived last monday. we've been hungry and slept in the park because we had nowhere to sleep. just trying to hold on none. august. sanchez has been running a shelter for migraines in tampa, tula for 3 decades. she's noticed that since you as president joe biden to power
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more and more women are arriving alone with their children. so, you know, sometimes there's a bottleneck in the north and a bottleneck here. we don't know what to do, but people are still coming by. migrants are forced to seek asylum 1st and mexico before they can continue their journey towards the us. the authorities estimate will receive about $100000.00 asylum applications this year. that's more than doubled the number of last year. the paperwork used to take about 20 days to process. now it takes months left thousands of migraines from haiti and central america stranded in top of chula struggling to survive. several and g o say it's part of a deliberate political strategy to dissuade the migrants from leaving their countries. the refuge agency says governments need to do more as a one my, your we are calling for a greater effort from all countries. if worse,
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there's not just one country that has to deal with this situation by you get to know we're seeing it across the region and all the leaders have to be involved in getting ready to go. danny and her family spent all their savings to flee the violence in their neighbourhood, and his father was recently killed by gang members so that the people who killed the boy's father threatening us to. we don't want to go back to 100 know locked in this then in worried about deportation. they feared they've invested everything just to end up back where they started. and that was the day i've ever the conversation continues online at times on twitter at d, w, i have a good news. the news,
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