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safety concerns, pharma, phones save shots, say so mine is the, is it time to vaccinate the young? the and bent is all welcome. before we tackle that question without 2 guests today, let's take a closer look at the numbers to get a better grasp of just how dangerous cove it is for kids. there are 14000000 miners living here in germany since march last year of a, one of the half 1000 children and adolescents were hospitalized due to the corona vice. about $350.00 of those developed and inflammatory secondary disease of the infection called pim syndrome for children, died from covert. and let's just compare those numbers with influenza in the 20181900 flu season, about 7 and a half 1000 kids. under the age of 14, we're hospitalized 9 died. to explain those numbers. let's talk to julian tang,

he's a consult there, ologist, an honorary associate professor at the university of lester york. dutch is the president of the german society for child and adolescent medicine. thanks to both of you for joining us today. let's start with you. you and the standing committee on vaccination in germany have concerns about back saving children against koby too . what are those concerns? well, it's not so much of metal concerns with regards to that explanation. it's rather of putting things into context and of comparing potential side effects and the effects of the pandemic on children such. and as you pointed out, initially, already, we only have very my knowledge of the pandemic on children with regards to health and still we don't know what are the long term consequences, explanation. and therefore, we educate that church when interest should be accepted and that the children who

are living with who are at risk should be expedited as well as long as the cannot be vaccinated themselves. and finally, in all the other children and young lessons, there should be an individual decision making process with they are cheap. what they are pediatrician to find out whether they are actually willing to accept the vaccination and whether they are aware of potential side effects and how they think about you. so you're worried about the long term effects of this pandemic on the kids. know the effects of the virus or the vaccine, but what happens if it takes so much longer to vaccinate all out at old, our main concern within the population because you vaccinating children at the same time or we haven't vaccinated all the adults. doesn't that mean we're going to be in lockdown a lot longer and have even longer term effects to kids?

well, i don't actually think so. first of all, the alternatives to explanation and children. we have that. well, this template testing facility in germany these days, plus we have, we know a lot about hygiene roles and we know about a lot about making qu, faith. so the nation, the solution to children. in particular, if you consider that only the minority of children can be vaccinated, we're only talking about those between 12 and 15 at the moment. so at the end of the day, you can also considering that much more prone to in detecting somebody else and to transferring the virus to another person. it may be wise to, to ex nate adults, especially adults who are in the field of education to make sure they don't

transmit the virus to a church and you in your less concerned. why is that? can you explain that to us? yes, i don't disagree with what's just been said. i think that's a very reasonable approach. my concern is that the vaccines generally for children use fewer effects of rule compared to idols, the more efficacious and we also a lot of otherwise healthy children getting longer with symptoms about 5 percent of them in the u. k. now, so it may be the experience of the bars in different countries, different, especially since june is controlled the virus so well compared to the u. k, where they should be uncontrolled. so the actual chase them up in the higher that that's been higher. and the risk of complications has been higher because he seems to be very poor virus in the community anyway. so i think the context is different and the u. k. has been rolling out the probably school. when's vaccination program

many years now. less though, where i work, where i am and moment as the one of the status of that and also seen in austria in the u. s. now, i've also instituted this private school vaccination program at the time. it took the children from severe disease, but also the adults have contact with as well. so that kind of overlaps a bit with what the previous ab speed has been saying. but the u. k. approach from the u. s. approaches more. why do you want to know the healthy children as well with healthy idols to those children guessing long have complications that we are seeing and i'm sort of children. how dangerous is the way for kids, while adults line up to get a job 1st. i mean, those are still the party, so i think we don't disagree of the i think the adults are still the policy because we see more complications in them. and they do seem to transmit more frequently, but shouldn't do transmit in south korea,

us or shed hybrid, is it just as long as adults detect the transmission is because often more infected the adults are. so it may be a lack of payment rather than a true patient matic. not infectious type of infection. if we know, put further, especially viruses, including the ones that children are really major effect as a reservoir of the spiritual irises and helping to decades with powerful r, as the virus revised as one of those ones are. so the current of us is run the viruses from the couldn't code are really no different in that respect. and we know from, you know, young children and parents experience that sure. in the 1st year of life, use a lot of kids in and i talked to all the time with creek from july just because of this kind of non immune infection with the seasonal spirit viruses. what about the u. s. strategy the julian way,

where children are already getting fascinated, possibly crossing a line at the expense of battles. yeah, so this was really political about this sometimes earlier. and there is a interesting ethical bar labor here, whether you vaccinate children, to protect the idols. more than the children themselves, and this is a, this debate to go round a round. when you have long have it in children, was term debilitating, but in several case reports. in the case, certainly where children can't remember what they're doing, can't get out bad, can't walk through the use activities that can be quite debilitating. the child themselves, but then also the spots available. adults can also get located at move, moving children transfer instead of the can get located with eliciting life changing illness. and that's also a reason to vaccinate. i think children in a more rapid manner. the last thing that i do is i'm just saying the fact to be the

rational, so why they're doing it, what you can make following suit. you can i ask you another question. the pfizer by and tech faxing was tested on just over a 1000 children and adolescents and some scientists to saying, as far as to few participants to detect rest side effects. that's right. i mean, that's actually the solution to we made out of the nation problem. for instance, the seneca shop a. they didn't fail so to speak, their initial studies. but we, we only heard about the long term consequences. and at the side effects such as term bosis in the arteries in the veins took it after after a while after so many patients have been executed. so at the end of the day it will be safe for many families to decide upon vaccination or

not having a vaccination after they've seen the that the courses on, on a large scale. certainly that's, that's that, that might be a reassuring point for many people. okay, great to get your take on that. you're the president of the german society for child and adolescent medicine and consult verola just from the university of list the julian tang, thanks to both of you. thank you very much. now step out of the show where you get to ask the question is assign, corresponded derek williams. paul, if you have cubic 19 without knowing it and get a backseat, could be adverse side effects. oh, the short answer to this is pretty clearly no, but the question has a couple of layers that need peeling back health care authority. recommendations

focus mostly on whether or not people who have the disease and recovered whether they can be safely vaccinated afterwards. and the answer to that is they can and they should be but authority recommendations are a lot more fuzzy when it comes to people who might have an active present a matic or a symptomatic infection at the moment that they get a shot. however, i did track down opinions from a number of experts on the topic and pretty much all of them thought it shouldn't make a difference in terms of symptoms so. so they believed it wouldn't cause adverse effects. however, some also thought it might possibly have an impact from either positive or negative on the speed and the strength of your immune response to the vaccine. if you've been exposed, don't get vaccinated until you're out of warranty. if you have been infected and

are a symptomatic or pre symptomatic, even if the vaccine doesn't pose a threat to you there's, there's still a problem which is that you still pose a potential threat to the health workers who would vaccinate. so to protect them, wait for a couple of weeks to make sure that you're in the clear me . they say fancy, you again say, ah, the conflict with tim sebastian, the council of yours was blazing on human rights and democracy and yet, and it makes unpleasantly deployed, decided to question a leading official who's trying to protect me. as i mentioned, submission human rights to the 1000, the what is the suspect conflict on

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that's what from producer on his own on and journalist eve cuban man are exploring, delving into history and the present it's, i would never have thought that judaism can be live so. and so the news jewish in europe, the 2 part documentary, starts july 5th on d, w. i. on many occasions, i made some 5 powerful people, very angry, but you don't shame them into changing their behavior though. do you, commissioner for human rights and my mandate is very clear. europe has almost nothing to teach the rest of the world about human rights does it? it is not black and white. this is not easy. the council of europe has issued in places, verdicts on human rights and democracy in europe. and this makes unpleasant readings, europe's democratic environment and institutions that says are in mutually

reinforcing, decline. we talked a lot about democracy and human rights on this program for the good data, i'm holding politicians to account for actions for the peace when danger those rights. but the situation is now so critical, we decided to question a leading official who's trying to protect human rights about why that protection is famous. junior me, as of which is commission to human rights to the council of europe. and she's always been off and stuff, but what is it gone so spectacularly wrong? the junior may out of it's welcome to comfort zone. thank you. 2 months ago you press the emergency button on human rights in europe. you said 2020 had been a disastrous year for those rights on the continent. one of the bleakest

assessments to be heard for a long time. do you think anybody is listening to your warning? well, i hope so. it is something that is affecting us all. no matter which part of the world, and if this is not a moment for all government in europe and beyond, to take a long, hard look in the mirror and realize how important it is that we move forward in a different way than we be moving until now, before this unprecedented time, we are all facing what people are listening because plenty of your warnings in the past have fallen on deaf ears. one example the issue of migrant abuse in hungry as far back as 2019. you said this needed to be addressed as a matter of urgency. nothing was done, gary and continued pushing back,

migrants across the border with serbia. my question is, why do you think you lack the personal authority to change the minds of people who do these things? who commit these violations or is hungry a last cause? well, i would not say that the hungary law called 1st support because area, because of people that rely on the protection of the convention. when it comes to my personal influence and the impact, the time will tell, i cannot change the government. i cannot play to be in a position. but i can use something that is the most powerful tool in my, to the commissioner, which is my voice. giving my voice, the voiceless, making sure that human rights violations are documented. and this is something that is over the i would say extremely important. the impacts can be measured in

different ways, but many are in different international organizations have been saying for years about area situation and also in situation of many other countries that are moving you know, very direction and say. so freedom of media, for example, comes to my mind already in 2010 in a different position. i warned about social media actually, jen, i said this is going to teach the mirror and it's happening right now. nevertheless, we should not be, but we should continue warnings and using all the tools that we have, the tower disposal and ultimately the decision of variance and also the government that should comply with the international law and standard when it gives just hungry is it there are plenty of states that are involved in these violations. you often hear the claim that human rights must be sacrificed for the sake of protecting national or european boundaries. what do you tell those

governments which, which advance that argument? i somebody disagree with this. i think this is a wrong path and wrong way, but equally to everything that europe at the continent experienced in the last decade, the 70 years ago when the organizational councils, europe was established. this is not the way to protect multilateralism. muslims, them approved to be extremely important, not only for democratic countries, but also countries that are trying to move forward some democratic order. and you know, i come from from booking and had to go. and i know how it is important to move forward and recognize the international issues at the same time, of course, protecting culture tradition, but not using it as an excuse not to protect human rights. this is wrong. and

because of this view, on many occasions, i made some by powerful people, very angry, which in a ways part of mine, and i don't make them angry, but you don't shame them into changing their behavior though. do you? well, i've tried to shame domain, name them, but then at the end, you know, it really depends on the government for david. do. as i said, i cannot, i'm not an opposition. political position, i'm commissioner for human rights and my mandate is very clear. it was created by the state in order to be mine. it is quite a young institution 20 year meant, but it's also quite unique because it is the thomas independence. and it is up to the commissioner to decide in which direction or road the attention and to call for respect of human rights. of course, i really do this is not black and white. this is not easy will don't like to see

results either without commission. i understand the key to the effective functioning of the council is the binding commitment, supposedly, of member countries to implement decisions of the european court of human rights. that too has been a significant failure. hasn't it? your own figures show it as of january this year, a staggering 45 percent of the leading judgments from the court, finalized in the last 10 years have not been implemented. that's a shocking figure, isn't it? it is shocking feedback, but at a time we also need to recognize that many decision, you know, they were implemented and their update that still do honor their commitments. this is quite extraordinary what we are facing at the moment. and here i can just mention cases that i've seen people i can really refer to the case of the man cabella who i visited in the prison 2 years

ago. he's still in prison even though there is a judgement from the board of human rights. and certainly government is not implementing extremely important judgment. nobody in russia is another. i want you to come on and i want to talk about russia and about in the, in a moment. but, but these rulings are your most important tool for correcting injustice and governments are throwing huge numbers of them in the been and my question is, if, if that doesn't work, and that's your major lever, your major mechanism for righting wrongs. what have you got left? i think it's not collected there. it's one of the mechanisms, of course it is extremely important. find i can always present a 3rd party intervention like i did in many of the cases that we already mention.

but then it is ultimately, you know, with the states and also the committee of ministers, of the council of europe that is monitoring execution of the judgments of the repeal code of human rights for me. the other tools at my disposal, bilateral discussions, but also teaching access to presents in order to really try to understand the situation that in some states is extremely complex. but i agree with you that there was a fusion of the judgment, something called a human life, is a key. and that it's something that you're going to be need to to do more, more needs to be done. on the political level. we need more, you know, governments that are willing to, to name the space that are not really how to be a document. they seem to be in short supply. those governments you, you have pointed out the cove it. the covet panoramic is accelerated,

the decline of democracy in europe with governments acquiring special powers that have served to erode the checks and balances on them. but this process has been under way for a long time, as you said on april 21st commitment to upholding human rights values has been faltering all over the continent for several years. so during those years, there should have been time to stop the slide. now. why wasn't the intervention done much, much earlier when the pattern was seen and identified? well, that is no question from him. dollar a for all of us to answer and also lost our self by you facing this situation now. but it will make one more should, should germany trans, u. k. i mean, they will claim to value human. right? what i have done, most of the states should have done more, but when it comes to human rights protection, i would say, you know, based on my career and everything,

i did not treat it is it is america. i would say it is difficult to to the results results required time. but i think the commitment is a p here, and i don't have time do they do new me out of it's a lot of big living in a pulling conditions and poorly human rights abuse and all these many visiting many but they also results only yesterday. i learned about a decision by the check parliament to compensate roma, women that suffered sterilization in the ninety's, which was part of my work and engagement parliament and the government. justice is also very slow, but it is important that we see an i agree with you. there are many of the many parts of marginalized parts of the society that are waiting for impacts and waiting

for their health to help from isn't it, isn't it true? commission of the business in a way is to blame for this faltering commitment that you've spoken about this idea, for instance, that germany always pushes change through trade. you get the trade, but in terms of human rights, nothing changes. does it look at the deals with china and rough russia? no leverage human rights whatsoever? this was especially true of the controversial note stream to gas deal with russia. no human rights considerations were allowed to get in the way of that word that this is, this is a lost opportunity, isn't it? the push human rights? of course, each time of human rights are not in the center of any kind of discussions. we fade and be moved backwards. but the same time,

i think this should also be assigned to all parts of working in human rights area. not to really be in a way ignorant for these happenings. of course these, we do follow everything but my work and my mandate gives me, you know, many opportunities to raise these questions with the governments, with society in many of the state. and for me, dialogue is a p as well. but also the same time, you know why diplomacy has to get some, with the dialogue, has to get somewhere, doesn't it? and looking at your report, europe has almost nothing to teach the rest of the world about human rights. does it? you said in contemporary europe, human rights defenders are killed. abducted jailed harris. the space for civil society when those democratic institutions are dismantled, independent judges removed. journalists are silenced by pointing,

though that you've effectively demolished the idea that you're be some kind of beacon of human rights, haven't you? it isn't, it isn't any more than 5. but i would still say that there are many things that we should not take for granted. and forgot that, you know, millions of people have become free from oppression, poverty, free to live there. one. so it's not in black and white, and you just portrayed europe much 15 years of steady decline, of observance of human rights and democratic principles. that's nothing to be proud of. is it? no, that's nothing to be proud of. but as i said, there are still examples of government, you know, really accepting refugees doing great things, vocal human right. you, you mentioned russia and it's take a state that doesn't appear to be committed to those rights like o member countries. russia agreed to be bound by the rulings of the european court

of human rights, but in the case of the opposition leader elect saying the boundary which you mentioned earlier. russia has clearly found to the orders of the court, hasn't that the court said in february and nevada, they should be temporary released from jail because the government couldn't provide sufficient safeguards for his life and health rushes, justice minister called the ruling unenforceable. and through it in the been, where does that leave you? well, this is a clear disregard of human rights and international obligations about the case is emblematic case. this also shows that beneath, you know, there are many more problems like a lack of independent judiciary in russia. human rights abuses in chechnya, lack of investigation, repression of descent and harassed mental human rights defenders. so it's not just about the case where we see that the russian federation is completely disregarding

the decision of the board of human rights, but still remain hopeful that he will be soon free and the structure will show importance. one. 2 member of the council of europe is based on a commission of because the russian state also called the court ruling blatant and gross interference in the judicial affairs of a foreign state. now that one statement undermines the basis on which countries belong to the counselor, doesn't it? the fact is, if the council does nothing about this, then countless numbers of people in russia and elsewhere will conclude that you are simply not capable of enforcing the requirements of council membership and standing up to tough and abusive governments is not right. not really. it is not that

simple, it is up to the government to implement the judgement is up to the committee of ministers, of the council of europe to push for the institution of the judgment. we have to keep dialogue with. dorothy is also in difficult situation and it is not because of difficulties that we give up. on the contrary, i think this is also a moment for the council of europe to do more than ever before and did all the institutions and all the mechanisms that we had disposal. i think at the end of the seat, this cannot happen overnight. at the same time, i completely agree with you. not as the teaching judgement of europe. right, isn't acceptable. and all the countries that are really not doing it should be polls optically and really, you know, we should try to do as much as we can in order to continue pushing for the release

of people that are sitting in jail and our commission that unacceptable is is an overused word internationally, isn't it? is normally meant to cover things that we've already accepted, but which we haven't. russia has faced credible allegations of attempting to murder, not only like st valley, but a former intelligence officer said a script on his daughter in england in 2018. and that say, are accused of murdering another former office. alexandre, when you go in london, in 2006, russia denies all these charges, but these are credible allocations and it still has its feet in the council art, isn't it the, despite these allegations from a european body, it's still allowed to keep its seat in a body that promotes democracy and human rights. why is that? why is that? i mean, this is not really a question i can answer because not only russia,

but all the states are teaching in international organization. they have a seat in the security council un be including council of europe. my role is not to make a judgement to state, should you know, as a member or not, is definitely outside, you know, my mandate. but what is it in my mandate is to remind those states to comply that the commitments and to honor the values and that they agree when they became members of different international organizations. nobody pushed russia or poor. russia will become a member of the council of europe or any other country. why do we see that? not a rush of many other countries are simply taking the box and paying. we are proud member of this and organization and not doing anything. it's a huge question,

but this one is council of europe. the problem is it gives many governments a cloak of respectability that they don't deserve, doesn't it? like, as i said, you know, being member of the club, you know, always the honorable thing, but if you do not follow the rules of the club and you know, this is something that should be exposed then to seat in the counsel i think is important to say is to ensure the protection of the citizen, not the government. we work for, for the people, including people because government behave badly would leave people without protection, which is the last thing i would like to see a commissioner of human rights engaging with the ordinary people. marginalize people is the main issue for me when you are doing a lot know of monitoring then protecting these days though on to your not your not

present to the people in turkey. for instance, last year, nearly $26000.00 people were in jail awaiting trial on terrorism charges that continue to be widely misused and used in fact to restrict free expression of association. they're not protected. i don't know. i mean, they, you know, you're wrong here. you know, protection mean much more than just, you know, saying okay, i'm just going with this more than i'm going to protect all those people know people in turkey do feel protected by my office and me personally, they see my office as always is where they can complain and you know, seek protection and this happened on, on many occasions i was given access, as i already stated, to present to see an estimate please release now. and i do try to engage the government, the government on the issue of human rights defenders and journalists center

numerous cases before the court. but it's not an easy task, but at the same time it is honorable and it gives me even more energy to, to engage, to try to help people helping one individual can also change a lot in any country. but you righty stated the previously that at the moment we do not believe in a good time for human rights. human rights and collected, pushed under the carpet by many government. conservative groups are targeting civil society and human rights defenders. and this is a said why are facing this situation? as i already said, it's a question for this color. nevertheless, you need to continue working when it's also a question,

you can't just blame the governments, can you? what about the people who put them there? what happens when 3 elections empower politicians who then take away their rights? what then? what then? well, the question is also the election over 3 unfair. it's not the case all the time. you have many reports from credible international organizations, including parliamentary assembly of the council of europe stating that certain election a certain date. but everything but not free and fair. so you end up with the governments, want to stay forever neglect human rights. and this is something we should not hello, i have the mandates for 47 members of the council of europe and differences are huge, but no date is immune to violations of human rights. and documenting this and pointing out and working together with people can bring results not overnight,

but the fact that the fax is the autocrat. so winning on fe, when you look back through the centuries, it's repression. that's the enduring constant, not democracy. and now that repression is back with a vengeance, and we have to face that fact and we yes that's, that's true. but i would not say that the article be winning. there are examples and we should listen to different voices into society. but we should not use those voices that are reading like fake news targeting human right defenders, generally civil society in order to to when he should not use these as a excuse for not doing enough. but what i think is also important is that all international innovation should use the situation now and try to push

for changes by putting human rights into a guy. and i understand that. but very briefly, if you keep sounding the alarm bell and nothing improves and it hasn't been improving, as we pointed out over the last 15 years, it's been a steady decline. the danger is that people are going to stop listening on thing. they're gonna decline, but i disagree that there was no progress and there were no issues related to right . that's improved in many member states. if you look at the situation with g b, t, community, when it comes to women's rights, i mean they are still fighting. the struggle is present, but it's the tradition changed for better. if you look at the rama community in many days, they were examples of, of success and moving forward. so it's not just, you know, completely, you know,

really grinned situation that we need to just accepted and say ok, the fail. no, we did not. all right, activates, i'm afraid we're out of time. thanks very much for being with us and company, so thank you. thank you. thank you very much. the news. the news,

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