here in germany to investigate, to clarify things by itself, and rejecting and external investigation like we had this by royal commissions, in australia as an example. and this has come to that end because we have more than one year now the discussion in cologne. and the cardinal there is defending himself and his actions with one and another. and another cutting out a bulky study by lawyers he hired to defend himself. and this is not the way how this crisis can be clarified and investigated. and it should be investigated from outside, but the studies were not internal and it was 2 studies. the 2 studies actually clear to me of personal guilt, at least. yeah. but i mean, the lawyers look and they paid them. he paid them

and they criticized us like the bishop of hamburg and other senior bishops in cologne. but not the cardinal loki who paid for the study. so personally, it's going to go somewhere else with attention to that discussion reflects heat. let's go now from germany to canada, where there is greece and outrage this also the remains of over $200.00 young boys and girls were discovered in the grounds of a former catholic run a residential school for indigenous children in british columbia. the catholic residential school in kamloops british columbia was one of the largest of its kind and was run until 978. it is not yet known how the children died there. the boarding schools indigenous children were torn from their families in order to

denies them me according to investigations, violence, and sexual abuse by staff, what's commonplace as a dad. i can't imagine what it would feel like to have my kids taken away from me. and as prime minister, i am appalled by the shameful policy that stole indigenous children from their communities. demanding an apology from the catholic church, but none has been issued to date, municipally, basically, we can see together with the catholic church of canada, millis, i would like to express my sympathy to people in canada that my, who are traumatized by the shocking, can't teach here why does the catholic church find it so difficult to their responsibility and distressing story? a very, very distressing store in this difficult question. a suggestive question is,

why does the church find it so difficult to bear responsibility? i don't think that you can talk about the church in terms of responsibility because it's people who fail and especially in this case, i think it's a great just how this case is already. even though we have little facts is already instrumental life. those victims, already instrumentalist, to make points against the church, even though it was the canadian state to actually implemented those racial, those 2 races policy off taking children from the family not to christianize them to, to assimilate them to the white population. and so to ask an apology, well 1st you should ask an apology of the state who implemented those racist policies. and then of course, the church has to wonder which, how,

how could she let herself be instrumental, lived in such a way to help those politics explicitly against so many attempts to, to actually value indigenous culture. what the dental with it, for example, they did so much for indigenous people and to, to save their cultures. so how could the church be so compromised with politics? and i think this is an interesting question. it is all about politics to this is not, this is not exclusively about the church as a spiritual organization. this is about the church as a, as an organization that wheels a great deal of power. i think returning to the debt point. building used by cardinal mark. i think the church as a concrete structure of power, of organization and of doctrine. we should talk also about the doctrine of the

church. this historic combination has come to an debt and, and i think it has to be changed. it has to died, maybe to, to live on. it has no future and the way it worked in the past. and i think this is the moment we are living. now, how does, how does the doctrine come in there? i mean, doctrine clearly says that the priest is someone whose service was flock. oh, this is what the doctrine says. change. yeah, i mentioned that i was abused because i was the catholic and we have investigated in australia also in germany and, and other ro commissions that there is a combination between sexual moral morality power. the whole thing of the sacrament of reconciliation,

the understanding of sinful behavior. all this is doctrine, this is not and of of this belief. and the way how the church acts and the priest acted. and this leads to this catastrophe. so you can change only the organization and you also have to talk about the law. so that was the next. let's print out my scene because this week when i was reading up on the story, that was one sentence that kept coming back to me that i found quite remarkable. and it was the observation that in germany, the word gold is disappearing. it's a contentious statement. it's a contentious assertion, but it appears possibly to be true, and i think that's a significant backdrop for the discussion we're having here. what do you say for the marks anyway, what i'm, i don't agree because even in berlin,

which is considered as an essay to stick city, i discover the presence of god in the hidden way everywhere. so because with my eyes of faith, i can see the presence. but what is changing? and i think that's really important to me that the power of the church is going down. we have the church and the past has had the structure and influence a power which is now lost and we have to accept it and, but it's positive because in this way we can focus more on the essence of faith. and it's not about structures, not about money, thought about power and, and to go to and considering the canadian case. i also think that's something linked to politics the past. but i think the church should be the 1st one to knowledge the failures. and we should be the champions of

acknowledging that we have something done something wrong. i agree there, but i need to agree with both of you because what you are painting the image of the church is the church you wish to has i talk about the church i experienced and still survivors all over the world. and i know the saliva movement and canada, well, because we have to be to get we have been together in room 2019, was cutting on marks. by the way the church is still fighting against the survivors when they ask for the truth. when they ask for money when they ask for help. so the power and the money is still there and it's used against the bibles, not only in germany, but all over the world, asked the people in poland and italy and spain. so i understand, and i highly respect the old vision of the different church for the future,

but it's not actually what the experience is right now. i think you, you say you respect this vision, but actually you are saying that it is a vision, but maybe it's just the church as we experience it. and i don't think that you can, and this will, it's our experience against yours. i think this is not the way we should do it because we are in this church together, those survivors who remained in the church in the church together. and i think it's very important not to try to initiate one perspective against the other. they are both valuable perspectives and they are true for themselves because everyone experiences what he experiences you can say, well, i experience, but what you experience is not your experience. the vision was theory, in fact, and this again, sorry for fact for example, that church lose this power. this is a fact, it's not a vision. and i also agree that it's

a good thing because then we can concentrate on the gospel. and i think that actually what you are demanding is going to develop out from this lot of power. we're running out of time. i'd like to hear your vision in 30 seconds for the church of the future. i believe in a church of the poor for the poor, a church that tries to do god's will in all things we're running out to trying to say we're going to delete it, but that's a good vision for the future. thanks. sorry for the vision to sit in saint peter's square with the saliva from all over the world and the church and the pope and the bishop listening to us. great visions here. i'm so sorry that we are not. i agree totally. i would be really happy. wonderful stuff. we've been talking about the future. the catholic church is a controversial juncture and its history. thanks very much for being with us there on to the point. if you enjoyed the show come next time. bye bye. just the

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