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the news business d w, news live from berlin, obamacare devise again, despite a long battle to destroy the us health care law. for the 3rd time, the us supreme court dismisses the republican lead attempt to kill the affordable care act. it now means that millions will keep their health care coverage. also coming up dropped in safely on board 3 astronauts into china's new space for the country and longest orbit english and china is now the 3rd country ought to be with
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and russia to launch roster. milton, despite lots of rainy and head to the pole, soon in a presidential election that hotline you bring him easy. it's back to turn out though is expected to drop off to several more moderate candidates from the ranks. ah, i'm jared right. thank you very much for your company. the u. s. supreme court has dismissed yet again, a republican lead attempt to overturn the national health law known as obamacare is decision means that affordable health insurance for tens of millions of americans will remain intact. the justices rules given to to that the 18 states mounting. the challenge did not have legal standing. in the case. republicans have made numerous unsuccessful attempts to strike down the ball. it was passed by the obama
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administration in 2010 to address large gaps in health care coverage for american d. w. correspond, and all of a solid is in washington, and he can tell us more about this. hi there, oliver. why did the court dismissed this challenge? what reasons did it give? well, jared, the plaintive sir in this case, and those were the republican lead states including texas. they took this law to court with all the instances up until the supreme court. and eventually the supreme court decided that they don't have the standing to take it to the court. so essentially, the decision that was taken here in washington today was not about the law itself, but rather about who took it to court. so potentially someone else could follow up and try again. but for now, of course, it's a big relief for those who are already insured under obamacare. does this mean it possibly isn't the final word on the law now?
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that is possibly so yes. because if the republicans decide to take it back to court, that might be possible to bring it up again to the supreme court. but of course it has to be someone else. so the states are taken out of the equation with today's verdict. ok, every few years oliver seems we hear about attempts to overturn obamacare. so how significant is today is the verdict. is a very big deal. jarrett, i mean it's been, as you mentioned, it's been a, the supreme court several times the 3rd time. in fact, today's, so there was a ruling in 2012, another one and 2015 and now every time with a different legal reasoning, of course. but it has also been one of the most prestigious projects of the obama administration. and then trump, in his term, really tried everything he could to get rid of it. the republicans have always
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argued, it's too expensive. there should be an individual decision whether or not you want to have health insurance. the democrat, in contrast, trying to help low income families here also those who have pre existing conditions and eventually this law abroad health insurance to 31000000 americans. oliver. what reactions have they been today in washington? i guess not only from politicians, but i guess, as you say, from the millions of people who now know that they can keep their health care coverage. yeah, i mean, 1st of all, president biden who also had his hands on this law when it was crafted back in 2010 of the vice president on brock obama. he welcomed this ruling. he wants, even though he wants to extend obama care further. and then of course, as you just mentioned, it's a big relief for those 31000000 americans, some of them with pre existing conditions. and you have to look at the u. s. health
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insurance system to understand a little bit why this is such a big deal because they are very often packed to your job. so if you lose your job, if you have preexisting conditions, then you might end up with no insurance at all and might not be able to pay your medications, which are very expensive your. so those are, of course more than happy with this verdict today. and that was correspondent oliver salad in washington. oliver, thank you. let's take a look now at some of the other stories making use around the world today. ivory coast, former president logo band bow has flown back home after being acquitted of war crimes that the international criminal court. now, he was forced from power in 20 live and after a month long conflict bought by his refusal to accept electoral defeat, thousands of people died during the conflicts. zombie is founding president kenneth co window has died age 90. 7 is tons have confirmed his death from pneumonia after
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he was admitted to hospital 3 days ago. officials did not specify his illness at the time, but it coincided with arise in close at 19 cases in the african nation. mister calendar rules ambia from 964 until 991 french prosecutors have requested a 6 month jail term for former president nichol last on the he's on trial in paris for illegal campaign financing financing. mr. don, because he denies being responsible for the massive overall band on his failed 2012 reelection bid. it's alleged that he and his party bent about double the amount allowed, and then tried to hide the cost. an investigation has to be done in india after a baby girl was found to live in a box closing on the ganges river. the box contained a horoscope giving the date and time of her birth and her name ganga. the word for
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the holy river, dr. estimate she is around a month old. well, the chinese spacecraft carrying 3 people house has now doped successfully with the country's new space station. after launching from the gobi desert, the trio could be seen successfully boarding the new space station. the research research station is still under construction, but the astronauts will now all but the earth for 3 months and set up experiments and prepare for a series of vice walks to help us with the next stages of completion. this latest mission is considered a significant step forward in establishing beijing as a major player in space. the another success for china space program, the sion joe 12 rocket last off the dock with the country's new space station. or
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for the next 3 months to the crew, 3 will live in a module slightly larger than a city bus. carrying out experiments going on space walks and preparing the station for completion. next year, china space agency will be monitoring the astronauts to see how they handle the time away from earth. separation off the sunday we are the see the 23 month commission is a long term human crude space flight plan, which requires astronauts to stay in a relatively narrow and confined environment that it takes time to adapt to the weightlessness. she's not, they will also have to cope with an environment filled with noise and vibration. it will be uncomfortable and these effects will have a cumulative impact over time. china space program is mostly homegrown. the united states congress forbade nasa from cooperating with china a 10 years ago. it cited concerns over the chinese space program secretive nature and its connections to the military. the international space station launched in
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1998 has hosted astronauts from over a dozen different nations. but for china it's off limits between regimes response company we'll build one ourselves. while the i s s reaches the end of its life, sam, it often china plans to complete its station by next year. and when it does, it will be in a position to decide who can come aboard. so you, that's a good kid on the male caught this stage in construction were not yet considering for an astronaut participation. ok. and that was for an astronaut. there certainly going to enter the chinese space station one day, a football, you know, there are a number of countries that have expressed a desire to do that and we will be open to it in the future. they go teach it type while they're still work to be done on the space station. china is already looking ahead to its next project, proposed lunar base that it's planning together with russia. turning to iran
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now where some of the countries 59000000 registered voters will head to the polls on friday to elect a successor to president house on honey. the current polls suggest turn out could be as low as 40 percent. now many people are expected to boycott, the very top to several moderate candidates were not accepted to the run. the front runner is hotline abraham bry, e. c. the ultra conservative cleric is a stones ally, and protege of supreme leader, ayatollah ali. how many abraham race he has, what it takes to make it to the top in iran, the 60 year old received most of his education that religious seminaries supported ayatollah khomeini during the revolution in 1979. and has been part of the islamic republics in a circle ever since. he's got the support of the ultra conservative establishment. and most importantly, iran supreme leader. so when he entered the race to become president racy,
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immediately became a front runner even more so after any serious reformist and moderate competition was bought from running and other hard line us both out to boost his chances. the few relatively unknown rival still in the running? no, they don't stand a chance against the all truck with just head of the judiciary. they only serve as a backdrop to give rise even one thing on loose. lacking so far, democrats did him and studying again as a result, many iranians feel they have no real choice at the ballot box. national michigan, i'm not taking part in the election, said it is we participated for many years and it had no impact on our lives and the elections on the street wasn't or the new so i have voted 3 times before. but what i wanted never came to pass, so this time i'll definitely not vote that this public does that affection and high inflation, no one's living in comfort and peace. and the government never keeps its word level
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. paradoxically, this increases raise his chances of winning even further because he rides most conservative voters are the ones that usually do turn up at the pulse. in the long term though, if he's elected, a lack of public support could end up undermining his standing. our correspondent theresa to put together that report you just saw earlier. we asked her about the choice presented to iranian voices in these elections. as clear that iranian this time will have even less choice than the previous electron where at least they got to choose between hotline, more than one candidate. this time is almost exclusively hotline that are running and the only exception is after enough that he's an economic profit. and a format ahead of you on the central bank, promising that he will reduce poverty by increasing economic ties with a wet,
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but he's not very well known in iran and both parties failed to excite iran young and well educated voters longing for change. so that's why i heard the report, many of them are not planning to vote at all that increase the rate chance this will provide a lot. the bullying football, the netherlands continued their successful start. 2 years 2020 with a win over austria. the dutch took the lead in the 1st half through a penalty and after halftime dental. don't freeze. i did the 2nd goal to confirm the when and leave the netherlands. we've fixed points from 2 games. denmark christian ericsson will have a defibrillator fit after he started off at a cardiac arrest during his country's opening game. you wrote 2020 on on saturday on the peach, his teammates filled to a to one defeat against belgium, kevin,
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to bring that not the goal. and, and the staff to coming on as a substitute canceling out denmark's early opening in the 1st of the previous days, 02020 matches ukraine. kept their hopes of qualifying from the group stage alive with the to one when over north macedonia. audrey malenko school, the ukraine, who doubled their lead before half time north macedonia pulled the gold back after a penalty. but you currently crane held on to take 3 points in tennis, women's world, number 2, naomi. a soccer has pulled out of the upcoming grand flam, wimbledon in order to spend time with friends and family. soccer recently said she has been struggling with anxiety and depression after she withdrew from the french open late last month. agent says she will be ready to return to the court in time for the olympics, which takes place in her home country,
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chain. always understand this new culture. so you are not a visitor, not again. if you want to become a citizen info migrants your platform for reliable information i the disappointing results for german vaccine maker care vac. it's long when em are in a shot, is only 47 percent effective in the 1st reading of trial results. shareholders have shown their displeasure, but the companies does, it's not giving up yet. also on the show, the us look beyond vaccines. danella has billions and funding for anti virus treatments for over 19 the goal, a pill that could replace the trip to the hospital. and as boosters caught the
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pursuit of south africa, now the makers of bill todd, i tried to meet snack once, put an international trademark on their product. it would mean big bucks, but it won't be easy. welcome to show, i'm seeing fiercely in berlin shares in german biotech from cure vac plunge thursday after the company revealed disappointing trial results for its corona virus vaccine candidate. the m r and a shot was 47 percent effective in a trial involving 40000 volunteers. that's far lower than vaccines from rivals, biotech, and moderne. a carfax share price was down by half. at one point on thursday, germany's caravan was supposed to be one of the big players in the fight against cove. at 19 that you had ordered. 400000000 doses of its vaccine. now the bad news stage 3 test results have shown an efficacy rate of only 47 percent, far less than vaccines made by competitors and under the 50 percent minimum rate set by the w h o b on take on madana the dosage of by on tech and madonna can be
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increased between 3 to nearly 10 times because they very slightly chemically modified the renee with cure back. the idea was that the r n a would be potentially injected without changes. fundamentally, the approach is right, but unfortunately, and it needs to be said, it didn't work, or least proximity to the stock markets reacted immediately to the news with cure event shares plunging at times by almost half their worst daily performance since the company's august 2020. i p o they cure vac vaccine was meant to be a major part of the worldwide campaign against coven 19. now the countries who are counting on the job are left hanging up like those who will suffer the most will be the poor countries as well as other european countries. because i think the cure vac vaccine didn't receive the significant results that were initially expected one and the claim about support research continues. i cure a vax labs,
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but for now, the company is unlikely to play a major role in the short term fight against the virus. as we just heard there, turbotax discipline results are just a setback for the company. there stepped backwards for the global race to vaccinate his chelsea, delaney in frankfort. its been a spectacular rise and fall for sure vac, which is seen as one of the front runners at the beginning of this race for a co vaccine so much so that the trump administration had reportedly tried to lure them to the united states and exclusively secure the rights to that vaccine for themselves. what we've learned is that this vaccines doesn't stack off to the other m r n a vaccines out there. you're back to blaming the different variance that are making it's vaccine, less effective and they say they still do plan to go ahead with, with plans for regulatory approval. but it's unclear if they actually will get that
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because most regulators want to see africa syria above 50 percent use as this is a huge setback for the block because there's a very strong pipeline of other vaccines now, but it will likely deal a bigger blow to the global race to vaccinate because the cure back back seen was seen. it's one of the easier ones to transport and ship and store because it didn't require super low temperature refrigerators is certainly a setback for that global rates to vaccinate the world. chelsea delaney in frankfort. there. now the focus on developing vaccines has for good reason soaked up a lot of public funding. now, the us is turning its attention and money to groan of ours treatments. washington announcing $3200000000.00 and funding for development of coven 1900 antivirals. the goal, according to officials, is a pill that can help reduce the severity of an infection. multiple drug makers are already worked on treatments, including including pfizer merrick and eli lilly. the funding will also support research into treatments for other dangerous viruses. in court in new york joined
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me for more into promising is the development of anti virus at this moment. well, i mean, 1st of all we had washington spending about 18000000000 dollars last year for the so called operation warp speed to, to get the development of the exceed going. so now we see the antiviral a treatment. i mean, the most important line of defense probably is still will be the vaccine, but also to help actually people who got the virus to actually do better. that would be an important extra step. even if the stock prices of those, some companies involve them, have not really reactive in such a strong fashion. is this a shift in attention from vaccines for the us? well, i mean,
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what we do have to wait and see if those treatments are really working. i mean, what i've seen and heard quite a bit today is that it actually might take some time before you really have a home run product on the market. so far we only got an approval for an anti virus treatment from juliette from ram desert year. and actually the benefits have been quite modest. so let's wait and see if pfizer, if merc, as they are saying at the moment, might come up with an approved and to viral towards the end of the year. and what we've seen so far. and that's why it took so long with the anti virus in relative terms, this at the beginning, those anti virus got mostly tested with patients who've already been hospitalized. and that has shown that it doesn't really work that well. it does work much better if you get the enter your wire worlds right after a you caught the vaccine. so meaning it would have to go hand in hand testing and
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then giving those anti rivals for a positive cases as early as possible. radians court in new york. thank you. let's go now to some of the other business stories making headlines. switzerland is the world's most competitive economy. that's according to the latest ranking by the lows and based institute for management development. rankings are based on government efficiency, business efficiency, and infrastructure. singapore had been the most competitive for 2 years in a row, but its economy shrank by 5.4 percent in 2020. the u. s. retains its 10th position . an hour long blackout had airlines banks and other companies around the world with angry customers, unable to access websites and mobile apps. the us based tech provider, a. com, i admitted it was the source of problem. the outage shows how vital behind the scenes companies have become running the internet. the revenue tick tock owner bite dance more than doubled last year to $34000000000.00. that's according to the wall
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street journal. growth underscores the video apps massive global reach. over all by dance posted a loss as the company was forced to compensate staff with share dividends. well, here in germany, the pandemic toll has been especially noticeable in cities were already tight. living space has become tighter and the distance restrictions and the culture and service industries were all but shuddered for a period. so are fed up city as well as striking out for the countryside. well, not just yet. the economic effects of the pandemic, the hitting german cities harder than rural regions, most obviously evident in rising unemployment. but the business situation for companies is also now much worse than in the countryside to death. and you are especially hard hit because the areas of social consumption are much more abundant here. and there the economic sectors which have been paralyzed for so long by the lockdown measures on mass. now it's from the long alarm leaving the munich base
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depot institute says the regions are doing well in the panoramic, the home to more industrial companies. and now many more people are moving out of the cities, partly due to the higher infection risks there. but he says, it's also too soon to determine if these trends will continue beyond the pandemic media, to keep people in the countryside, or perhaps to encourage even more to move the will require creating certain conditions and starts with infrastructure connections to transport networks. but above all, digital infrastructure, fast, unstable internet internet digital infrastructure is essential for working from home. even if some only want to head to the countryside for the peace and nature. is it really the pursuit whoa of south africa bill tang homey and dr. neat stack is getting a certain marketing polish these days. global market for dr. neat or jerky, has actually search during the pandemic. south african producers now want to get in
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on that wave and trademark bill tang for global push. here a says african favorite is being made built on his beef marinated with a mix of spices, salt and vinegar. it has been dried for several days, which gives it a unique se, every taste that has become popular all over the world. holding a uniquely southern. i'll shoot off from bon even call it. so that's what we found that we copied and made all over the world at the moment. under the name, we feel that name both should be protected as a product. factory alone produces 40000 kilograms of built on each month for the local market, to capitalize them, surging international interest. so the african producers want to trademark built on and prevent manufacturers and other countries from using the name for experts war
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and it may be too late is very popular term and popular product. i mean, if you look at the tried mortgage just throughout the world are the 200 applications, including the one photon indicating, attract, or on 15 and other states, 37 in the you k. this is very popular and the question for the challenge really is to put the genie back in the bottle or the able to resist this and encapsulate this term and on it's local products like roy, both herbal tea already internationally. trademark, where do we adding built onto the mix? won't be the so the african beef can only be exported once it has been approved by local officials and undergone stringent testing by authorities abroad. that means built on has a hard time reaching potential international markets. what we're looking for is essential protection that port producers got for portugal and champagne. we just
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got for france. we're not going to solve our problems. we're getting up products exported, but we at least might get a pretty little trade. marketing is complex for the struggle. so that's going economy would welcome any potential boost in exports and that's it for me and the dw business team here. berlin checks out of line d, w dot com slash business. also on facebook, i'm seeing busy, thanks for watching news. enter the conflicts own with sarah kelly and i citizen cope with unemployment and inflation. president hardy is getting attention for blocking twitter around for an apparent violent crack on protesters who call for the police guyla's. my guess this week from berlin is my jury, and ambassador, joseph gar. how does he explain the track record of this government? conflict?
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on d, w to the point and strong opinion positions international perspective. police this week have been on a highly anticipated meeting until either between 2 very powerful famously. don't get on well. so was it worth the wait to find out to join me and my get on to the point to the point. dw lee ah, the little guys that is the 77 percent. the platform for africa is used to be issues share i use you know, or did i know be in north africa population is really
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fast. and young people clearly have the solutions that 77 percent. now every weekend on the w. the me, this is of course, most unfortunate. tragic is that the government's plan to punish the victims you want to highlight the negative stuff. even when there's new evidence, the government bands, twitter, can you explain that most major as a democratic system and government? nigeria has been making headlines for all the wrong reasons. lately, kidnappings and violence are on the rise, the large areas of the country, and they talk of a spiraling security crisis and as citizens cope with unemployment and inflation.
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president to hardy is getting attention for blocking twitter and for an apparent violent crack on protesters who call for an end to police violence. my guess this week from berlin is nigerian ambassador usa to gar. how does he explained the track record of this government as he tries to attract that? we needed investment to africa, the largest economy, the news, and that's it, or to go welcome to conflict zone. thank you for having me. nigeria is said to be facing a spiraling security crisis, terrorism, kidnappings, inter communal violence dramatically on the rise and recent month has president to hurry, lost control. certainly not is not less than troll. he has done a lot in terms of security when he came into office in 2016 vocal
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her on the north east was holding about 18 local government areas today. it doesn't hold a single local government area. however, does not mean that the violence being and least why able or her own, for instance, has ended. so it hasn't continued to move and strike and run away. it's a very difficult terrain. so it's not surprising that it is stretched out, as indeed such conflicts stretched out in other countries. but this investor, when, when you look at the sheer numbers though, the situation does not appear to be improving. in fact, in the 1st 3 months of this past year, it's been reported more than $2800.00 violent killings around the country in the media. and there's also of course, the repeated kidnappings of school children. i mean, this is what really has been making international headlines in may, for example, more than 130 school kids, some as young as 7 years old, were kidnapped in broad daylight in niger state. what do you tell those parents?
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this is of course, most unfortunate. it's tragic. it is not what we're hoping for. government is doing its best to bring this to an end. it's not been easy because of the decades of male lives in nigeria, but this administration is looking to correct and the negative media report sometimes also a few. these acts of violence, the kidnapping, the terrorism. so it's the media's fault, it's the media fault that there is an estimated $700.00 students kidnapped for ransom since december in your country. that's not what i'm saying. certainly not. it's not the media's fault, but it has for the fuel. some of the violence, as we've seen of recent, you have to bear in mind that nigeria is the most populous country in africa, the nation of 200000000 people. so certainly,
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there would be actual violence. there would be all sorts of issues, particularly since we have endured years of, of under development, which this administration is looking to reverse. you mentioned that the government is taking action. i want to look at some of that action because the senate is considering making it illegal to pay ransom to kidnappers. is that the government's plan to punish the victims the parents in the face of the government's own inability to provide security for their children? what is the niger a practice is a democratic system of government, you have the principle of separation of power. you have an executive legislative, an independent judiciary, a bi camera legislature. so it's not every single action that is either
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that should be attributed to either the president or the executive. benoit has several moving parts. it has several clogs in the democratic wheel. but mister ambassador, do you think that this is a useful law? does the president think that this is a useful law? do you think that parents who fear for the life of the child could really be prevented from paying ransom by law from governments that is not capable of protecting the children in the 1st place? is this useful? we practice a deliberative democracy where is discourse and within that framework of discourse, we eventually come up with a position. this is how democracy works and this is what is happening in nigeria, which is the most populous country in africa. it's a country of 200000000 people, so you cannot just take decisions by fayette so you're not, you're not taking position on that. that's what i'm hearing from you. let's look at
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the overall since i'm allowing the process to, i'm allowing the process to to take its course. okay. let's look at the overall situation. a lot of these kidnappings and violence, they're happening in the north. of course, the military there. let's look at their strategy there. regrouping troops into super paps or, or garrison towns where they wait to repel the attacks rather than go on the offensive against the militants militants, for example, like, like vocal hall rom in their hide out. can you explain that one visa, but perhaps some of the techniques and the strategies employed in a symmetric warfare which takes place in different parts of the world? niger is not unique when it comes to that. you have to bear in mind that your often taking more than invisible enemy that's continuously on the move. i'm sure. where in germany here, i'm sure the bottom line health was taken on, you know,
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using similar strategies or the i a, or, you know, several other insurgent groups and terrorist groups that governments have had to take on in the pass. so why shouldn't be unique? but the point, mr. ambassador, is that we are looking at the situation specifically in nigeria and in nigeria. do you admit that it has left a significant portion of the population quite exposed to this particular strategy? i mean, you have the u. n, for example, saying that it's making it difficult to get internally displaced. people aid. you have leading security organizations saying that these vocal rum factions that these affiliated, you know, and similar groups, are taking advantage of the space can created by the super cap military strategy. and they're moving around more freely. they're building support, they're building their networks. you have to bear in mind that this is a conflict that is taking place in a very difficult terrain. as i said earlier, within a very complex cross border area where 4 african countries meet,
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where they're hundreds of islands due to the receding leg. chad, so you know, it's not that straightforward. you can also if you want focus on the reset the, the, the return of, of individuals. busy that have been living in internally displaced camps to, to towns and villages. that is all equally happening. so it's, you know, while, while some might be moving to internally displaced camps, others are moving back home. so it's a very complex thing and it's very dynamic and it's for ever changing the state of your military capacity is also in question. the senate has confirmed that massive recruitment procurement of equipment is needed for the security forces. resources are said to be stretched thin. so why has the government failed to even secure the best equipment for the military?
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i mean that the pledges from blue hard to crush these armed groups, aren't they just empty words? if you don't have the resources, we haven't been able to, as much as we want, because many of the manufacturing countries would not sell it to us. you know, we've had to contend with certain acts such as the lazy act and, and several others in countries and the negative propaganda sometimes that is unfairly used to label the niger in military as committing abuses and what have you and that is highlighted instead of the positive acts that should be associated with them. so again, it's the fault of others so. so just tell me then, because i'd like to move on to another. what i'm saying, and that's what i'm saying. well, let me, mr. back to you saying it's very easy on security. perhaps you can clarify for us, you know, what the priority is in the country. the priority is to address most of these
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issues holistically and to tackle the root cause instead of the symptoms. this is what the niger and government is trying to do. so some of the root causes of violence of insecurity happen to be poverty, a lack of effective governors at the local government level. and this is what the nigerian government is trying to tackle. we have a social investment program, you could talk about it, it's, it's a noble cause you could focus on something like that. certainly have to make the choice whether to buy, to spend more on on weapons or whether to spend on solving the issue of parts. and we're going to learn about weapons. many often, most often we're not sold the ones that we need and mr. invested. we're going to talk about the economy, i assure you, in our conversation. so we will be returning to that. but i just like to ask you
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1st about the state of human rights in the country because, you know, it's not just the tax in the north kidnap. and you have, you know, many hotspots all over the country. and in response to some attacks blamed on separatists, for example, in the south east, the military has launched operation restore peace to heart set on twitter. we have given the police and the military, the power to be ruthless, the power to be ruthless. what does that mean? just be what every country. every government believes that we're living in a way that is primarily defined by nation states, sovereign nation states. and the sovereign nation states meant to have the monopoly of violence. so that non state actors were not unravel such countries and unleash may him and death and murder and much such and such territories. this is what every country does. but i think the concern among,
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among many is that there are these previously documented evidences of mass, extrajudicial killings, by securities in this region in particular. so the question is, when to hardy says roofless. is that what he means? extrajudicial killings, it's happened before. that's certainly not what he means because he has used the same phrase with regards to the violence way by banded and by, by territory by terrorist activities in north eastern nigeria in northwest and nigeria. it applies to the whole country. wherever you have non state actors, you see there's no states, if a country, if, if groups or individuals of power was that do not subject themselves to the jurisdiction of a nation state,
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allowed to dictate the cause of political life in nobody that that country sees this break this but that's what we're talking about. and we're talking about the approach of the military in terms of handling the secessionist movement and these, these particular groups that you are targeting. and she says you have a reckless and a trigger. happy approach to crowd control and, and it's not only when it comes to this particular area. in fact, i'd like to ask you about another incident. there were reports of at least 12 civilians killed when forces shot at police at people. protesters excuse me, at lucky toll plaza in lay goes back in october. is this the strategy that your forces use to help calm protests, peaceful protests in the country shooting a peaceful civilians with live ammunition. ok, so unfortunately this report that i know you've done your homework. what
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unfortunately this report happens to be the very same report that was exposed to be and to by none other than the state department of the united states. they had their own investigation and said the report was too well sir, i have not seen that before, but i have heard from you, sir. i have not seen that report, but i have heard from, from the un high commissioner for human rights, michelle bachelor, and she has a position of authority. as you know, she says quote, there is little doubt that this was a case of excessive use of force, resulting in unlawful killings with live ammunition by nigerian armed forces. the state department report is easy to access. you can google it online. it's that it's, it contends that that report that you're referring to is inaccurate and to date, that has not been any substantial proof just to show otherwise. well, you know, your prove that then let me,
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let me follow harry pitts. it's easy to cherry pick and decide you want to highlight the negative stuff, even when there is no evidence and you don't, you cannot use, you know, reports that i turned out bye bye, bye bye bye, by the united nations and the united nation. make know this is their thing in your country, they said in the incident witnesses sometimes. 6 said that cctv cameras and lights were switched off shortly before soldiers opened fire on peaceful protesters. the un says this indicates a disturbing level of premeditation. your government has apparently set a panels of inquiry to look into. there's to look into other incidents by you know, a group of your security.

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