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lacking so far democratic intimacy months studying again as a result, many iranians feel they have no real choice at the ballot box. not too much. again, i'm not taking part in the election. we participated for many years and it had no impact on our lives. and the elections are not free with them or the newspapers. so i have voted 3 times before, but what i wanted never came to pass. so this time of definitely not vote. public dissatisfaction and high inflation. no one's living in comfort and peace and the government never keeps its work. medical paradoxically, this increases raise his chances of winning even further because he runs most conservative voters are the ones that usually do turn up at the pulse. in the long term though, if he's elected, a lack of public support could end up undermining his standing
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for me on these election. that's bringing correspondent, trumpet teresa. you have extensively covered iran. this election does not really offer much choice, does it at this time or on the right and have even less choice than a regular election, whereas they go to shoot between hotline with them before the candidates this year, it's all exclusively hotline is running the only exception and the only standard for $100.00 administration is after not even economic processor and format head of iran central bank. and we call the congress in iran by increasing economic activity where the international community and that was written make them more by iranian standards. but he's not very well known inside iran, and so fine, he's excited. ron young and well educated voters that are longing for change. we've
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heard in the report, some disillusion voters and turn out is expected to be a very low y iranians so frustrated. well, many ryan, just think it doesn't make a difference. whoever is elected, especially since then thought how much presidential hon promised before he was elected and how little he was able to deliver afterward. because the conservative establishment and iran students and also the us administration on the donald trump when you couldn't, you couldn't do what you promised and erotic the new president will not be able to do that either. and so that's why they're not planning to go to develop often that could cause a problem probably as medical public as a whole because there's a pre always called for the patient race to show that the current administration has the backing off the electorate. so it does very then that could mean it's just some of the questions for the exam at the nuclear deal that is currently on life
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support, let's say, between the international powers and to iran, if racy wins. what, what does that mean for a possible revival of that deal probably wouldn't mean that much because the negotiation with the international community already in the final stages and all candidates on the paper today say they report that included in bringing right. with criticize the ronnie administration and the possible not the top enough when it comes to negotiating with the width. now is this only a strong government can finalize and implement a new deal? and by that, of course, the government led by him. but you also have to see that it's not the iran in president makes important decision about important things for iran switches at the nuclear program that the leader and that is the same name. so whoever gets the next day that doesn't make it ready for the wrong position on iran
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specialist or is a trouble. thank you very much for incense reason. now the number of people fleeing was violence and civil disorder rose again last year. even as the corona virus pandemic brought much of the world to stand still, by the end of 2020, there were 82400000 people forcibly displaced from their homes. according to the united nations refugee agency is double the number decade ago. more than 2 thirds of those officially recognized as refugees came from just 5 countries, very venezuela. i've gone to don south, the don and me and mom in 2019 us sanctions against the venezuelan regime, led by socialist nicholas madura contributed to an economic meltdown that worsened to food shortage and sent millions fleeing to neighboring countries and international efforts to raise money for venezuelan refugees and migrants kicked
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off on thursday. the w is oscar shanker reports they are coming to walk us. millions of them have left venezuela fleeing the country's humanitarian crisis . now, some of them are going back depend demik and political turmoil in neighboring columbia has prompted a wave of venezuelans worn down by economic hardship to make the journey home. when i left them with the goal of succeeding in helping my family. but now that prices are too high in columbia, i could not make luis, and he has just made it back to venezuela after walking for 2 weeks with his family, from the columbia in capital bogus. they survived on goodwill along the way, but that dried up when they cross the border. the situation at home is dire, and g o say that the country needs much more international aid to stave of crippling hunger financing way below what is necessary in regards to the
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dimensions of the crisis in the country. the numbers are shameful. even the age that does reach venezuela is hard to distribute activists effort, often hampered by fuel shortages, violence, corruption, and political meddling. according to the world food program, venezuela is among the 4 worst countries in the world with food and security. and that you won't predict that by the end of this year, 7000000 people could have left venezuela making it the 2nd largest migration after syria. yet humanitarian aid for venezuela is that it's minimum and the rain a better mood days thought about joining the exodus. but says the risk was and is too high with young children. through her eldest daughter school, her family received food and educational supplies from units of until december. now
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they're hoping more a can restart, the program will not take one or 2. i notice that when we received the aid, many parents were happy and thankful mostly for the food, because we can give the children in our school a balanced meal. so we need to make ends meet the stay at home. mom relies on what she can find to be. a neighbor has extra eggs for sale, but the supply of cheap food is sporadic. we cannot buy important products in regular supermarket dollar prices. we have to settle for small market to me and home, vegetable merchants and places that sell at better prices. look about giving them michael normally. that is the venezuela becoming empty, the walking home to a country still ravaged by economic decline. it's people still struggling to feed themselves, still waiting for international help. a 2nd of not some of the other stories
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making headlines around the world rescue us in the canary islands say at least 3 people have died and another another 5. i'm missing after migrant both over tons of lancer, ot, emergency services say the vessel was carrying 49 people. when it hits a rocky area of the islands northern shore, 41 people were rescued. phone com please have jobs. the chief editor and chief executive of the pro democracy tabloid apple daily with foreign collusion. both men and 3 others were arrested and arrayed on the media that the verdict is seen as another blow to press freedom in the territory. government and nigeria have kidnapped at least 800 students and 5 teachers from a school in the remote town of burning the o. re in the state a police officer was killed in the raid. it's the latest in a series of mass abductions in the countries north west authorities blame, armed groups seeking ransom payments for my ivory coast. president long backbone
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has returned home after being cleared of war crimes charges back was refusal to accept electoral defeat in 2011 plunged ivory coast into months of violence which thousands of people died. he was finally forced from par and still trial at the international criminal court. in the hague, only a small number of lava bag, both supporters were allowed to ivy john airport to see his claim touch down. even after 10 years outside of the country, support for the former president remain strong. his return has right the hopes of many and ivory coast. it's all we wanted one day of glory. we erase out 10 years of suffering. we want everything simply thanks to god because he gave us back our father. what am i? today i will sleep well and i pray to god that he arrives at his destination. but
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i want to see and salute him and i expect reconciliation. why study? dog overturned home after being cleared by the international criminal court. the 76 year old was charged with crimes against humanity. after his refusal to accept a feat and a 2010 election triggered a bloody civil war. that conflict left 3000 people good. but back bows. homecoming is being seen by many as a significant step towards reconciliation. after a quarter with the i, c. c, the current president of ivory coast last on what that invited him for the rival to return home and back. both himself says he wants to lobby for peace, leaving john airport on thursday, he didn't say anything to the public. but he later greeted many of his supporters at his former presidential campaign headquarters. the day he told the crowd he was happy to be home.
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i'm glad to be back in ivory coast and africa. 53 coast is looking for peace through reconciliation. although many and not sure if the bag both returned will contribute to political stability or challenges. germany is marketing 80 years since the nazi invasion of the soviet union. the surprise attack on june 22nd 1941 would become the biggest and bloodiest france in world war 2. and, and, and nazi germany is complete destruction by the end of the war and estimates it's 27000000 soviet citizens had died, including 14000000 civilians from the beginning operation. barbarossa was the and as the invasion was cold, was conducted as a war of an elation. the germans also treated soviet prisoners of war extremely brutally. they were executed, starve though died on forced marches from the front lines. the northeast took some
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5700000. so get prisoners of war over the course of 4 years. it's estimated that more than 3000000 soviet p o w died, making one of the largest groups of nazi victims. germany is president, has been marketing that somebody investor here in berlin front by the stein maya, attended the ceremony. german russian museum in the capital. in his speech, start my address criticism from former soviet republics, but ukraine and bella rufe, that them millions of victims in world war 2 were neglected by germany in the combination activities that installed my war. that acts of remembrance i have not carried out can slip, could themselves lead to new divisions each month. i mean, it was organ to see, lightfoot, i am very concerned that the painful history we are remembering today is increasingly becoming a source of alienation in itself than the brick work. when our view of
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history, i'm reduced to a single perspective when there are no longer an exchange about the different perspectives of a historical event. the survey gets such an exchange is rejected. entirely safe to drive on and history can be rewritten as an instrument, a new conflict getting started. i know you forms him or presented it does you believe that we must not allow history to be weaponized? so other than germany is president for this time speaking, then i'm now joined by the w political correspondent, nina honda to talk about this new found that seems to be saying that it has not been enough awareness of crimes committed against the population of former soviet republics. like ukraine or a better ruse. what does he mean? while he said in his speech, he gave him a very personal example that growing up as
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a young boy in western germany. he was completely unaware that there had been a prisoner of war camp just a few kilometers away from his home, just 2 decades previously. and that issue was not addressed at school. parents didn't talk about that chapter. he said. and so this is just one of the examples where he criticized germans for not paying enough attention to that really painful chapter in the history. and to be honest, he said that the remembrance didn't change until a few years ago, the attention paid to the eastern victims of the nazi past until german reunification. and since then, germany has tried to better integrate the commemoration of those atrocities into the collective remembrance of the nazi past. but of course it is difficult to deal with. and of course, sometimes it does lead to diplomatic tensions also because the geopolitical map has changed compared to what it looked like a 2 years ago. and they're now conflicts between some of the countries that used to
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belong to the same blocks to the soviet union. if you'd take the military conflict between russia and ukraine, for example, or the fact that the baltic states, some of them have now, they have now joined the european union. and so in fact, today's event was also overshadowed by the conflict between russia and ukraine before the event, the ambassadors of 7 out of 15 of the countries that another successes of soviet republic said that they were boy caught today's events. because they say germany is not differentiating enough. and for that germany equates the soviet union too often with what is more than russia wasn't a russia alone. so is that going to change then what concrete actions is germany taking while it is baby steps of course and is like, i say the process did start off the gemini unification. and high ranking politicians in germany have tried to stop by actually going to those places going to those prisoner of war camps. presidents done my himself with foreign minister
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before he became president and in that position he was, for example, was the 1st german politician taxi commemorate the victims in bella. ruth, on a trip that to the biggest concentration camp during soviet occupation that is located near min, scanned that history completely, risks to be forgotten. so time i kept going to those places. i went to vulgar, grabbed as well, where he met with war veterans and germany. politicians are now saying in the speeches that it was part of the nazi official plan to kill the population in the east and get rid of entire nations that way. correspondent, you know, how's that? thank you, nina tonsils, a mobile news. in brief israel has launched as strikes in garza for a 2nd time this week. the army says it targeted funds belonging to the militant group, hamas off the stadium, sent incendiary balloons into israeli territory. for the 3rd straight day. the violence sentence fragile that ended 11 days of fighting last month. a gun
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fight between rival gangs inside the prison at home during less at least 5 people dead. 15 inmates sustained injuries in the fighting relatives gathered outside the prison gates, waiting to hear news of us investigators taking a closer look 30 accident involving cause from comic a tesla examine whether the use of teslas ultra pilots system contributed to the company as one of the leaders in the rise to develop self driving cars. 10 people have died in the accidents under investigation. political capital is locking down for the weekend following a spike in cove at 19 cases. latest figures show lisbon accounts for 3 quarters of new infections detective nationwide. starting friday afternoon, residents will only be able to leave with a valid reason, flights out of lisbon, apple exempt from the ban as his work related travel authority believes
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a highly transmissible delta barrier is driving the surge. while frances reopening to foreign tourists after the pandemic, devastated business that the capital paris is enticing visitors with bargenson, unusually empty museums, thought s t w's. lisa lewis found out the city has some tough competition. harris loves its tourists. that's the message. these young, multilingual ambassadors are trying to spread. why should you have to return? shouldn't hesitate and just come to paris, we'll help them's lot as t w's. lisa lewis found out the city has some tough competition. paris love, it's tourists. that's the message. these young, multilingual ambassadors are trying to spread. why should you have to return? it shouldn't hesitate and just come to paris. we'll help them find that bearings
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here. the central, pompey do, and all the other parish and such a pleasant city and more and more of us to help visitors. this makes me happy summer. buena up to $500.00 of them will be deployed this year in an effort to kick stop tourism again after a visit to numbers plummeted by 2 thirds last year. but the tourists who normally represent a lot share the cities, visitors, people from asia and the u. s might be a bit longer incoming or sweat school or more of your movie, the more we would like everybody to come back to paris. but we are obviously aware that the french and european choices are likely to be the 1st one back, as it still easier for them to travel. some pressure on the upper many hotels are trying to learn in the locals with special deals with some luxury establishment, offering discounts of up to 70 percent. but no offer will convince those already desperate to get out of the city. this french couple have chosen to go to
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higher ground, 50 kilometers north of the french capital. people. with this pandemic, people have understood that they needed to disconnect from reality. such as special offers aren't necessarily so important for me. we need to breed and take a step back from work, especially as we've all been working from home for quite a while now, because they are not the only ones who feel the urge to get out of the city baba reservations at these cabins have skyrocketed. said dave, i'm only dicky for i'm as always, it is like people have slipped since the beginning of the 1900 crisis and realized that they needed nature to reconnect to who they are. we can't keep up with the demand and, and now planning to construct an additional 5 cabin by the end of next year. it will reflect new will given that this is any portion. and yet, some might argue,
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this is exactly the right time to visit paris or other cities. here at the louisville, the world's biggest museum furnace make up 3 quarters of visitors. but due to cave, at 19 restrictions, many of these visitors from abroad are not showing up. that's why you can now even get tickets at short notice and visit wolf payments. work so far, almost by yourself. what's true for the louvre is true for other sites in the french capital. you no longer have to queue for hours, and that might be the most appealing tourist attraction of all a report by japan's top medical experts has warned that holding the olympics during the cold, with 19 pandemic could increase infections under the ban on spectators was the least risky option, but took your organizers, want to allow to 10000 people and olympic venues. the government is lifting the
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state of emergency in the capital on sunday. authorities are also set to relax. curves on serving alco tokyo, 2020 staff on july 23rd. the final decision of spectators inspected as early as monday to europe in football championships. now england and scotland are preparing the to rekindle the oldest rivalry in world football and fridays late game at the europe and championships. the 2 will meet at wembley stadium in london with a colorful history, the nation's proximity, raising the stakes in this group d. showdown, scotland fans gave their men side a full throated welcome as they returned to a major tournament after a 23 year drought during their years opener against the czech republic. football fan enthusiasm there. come back on the big stage, didn't go as gloriously as they'd hoped. scotland fell to kneel and glasgow hemmed in park. thankfully, they'll have
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a renewed opportunity to live scotland supporter. spirits in fridays match against our tribals, england. the 2 nation share more footballing history than any others having faced off in the 1st ever football international in 1872. the class will take place at wembley, which is hostile. it's fair share of mental history. recent highlights include scotlands, 1977 victory, which fans found so inspiring. they proceeded to storm the pitch and destroy the goals after the match, or their latest meeting at the euro's england. stupendous to new victory in 1996, which helped knock scotland out of what would be their last europe and championship appearance. until now, scotland coach steve clark is looking forward to renewing the rivalry of it again and the children to begin. so i think the focus against the french from so for the
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modem, lease, it extra special when supporters have already begun making their way down south. and though england are heavily favored the tart and army is dreaming of a shock victory. the watching dw news from me and the news seemed for now don't go away. those to the point is next would be the craven and best of course, a lot more news analysis and background on d, w dot com also to follow us on instagram and on twitter at b. w. news on built as an invalid. thanks of watching the news. the news, the news
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keys, please. listen carefully. don't law goes to the go, the field, the matches the discover the world around you subscribe to the w documentary on you to the me. joe biden has concluded his 1st trip abroad as us president and the exact same schedule. he met with friends, and he met with foes. intensive talks with these russian counterparts,
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ported in geneva bite and cast himself as an advocates of liberal values based democracy. he also highlighted what he sees as the military and economic french post by russia and above all china. so on to the point, we asked bite and wounds russia and china, but his europe on board the news well, thanks very much indeed for joining us on the show where my guest here in the studio . leanna fakes a russia expert from the curb, a foundation who says the biden putin, summit is not only about confrontation, it is also an opportunity for most ability between washington and moscow. also witnesses, matthew, snake, chief europe correspondent for politico his opinion. if you fail to achieve
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a common approach to russia and china with the u. s. the west duped down the warm welcome to to search and found some from t w's asia desk, who argues that the us, china, and russia have more in common with each other. and europe should take sides. interesting. come until 3. thanks very much. thank you very much. to for being here, i'm going to begin with you, matthew. it's been a very intense week of diplomacy for joe biden in europe. we had a better place now than we were before all the talking began. i think so. i think he made clear that the united states remains very dedicated to europe and wants to keep the alliance intact and is hoping that the europeans will join him in confronting both russia and china in the years ahead. and there seems to be at least an openness to these ideas in terms of the atmosphere with russia. i think he also succeeded in calming the waters
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a bit. i don't think the 2 of them are not buddies. they're not going to be best buddies. they didn't look into one another's eyes and actually their souls. they shook hands and had a fairly cordial but frank meeting i would say for smile. and it's not that easy. liana, you talk about it being the, the meeting and prosper. and you said it should move, it should be about cooperation, not just confrontation. now everybody is talking about the us and russia entering what is called strategic stability dialogue. i gather this is very important for the inside. as i think it's very important that you explained it for us because he's right at the middle of what we're doing here, what we're talking about. yeah, that's exactly why the summit was a success because the us and russia decided to focus on those areas where the most dangerous and most whisks and the area of nuclear weapons and limiting nuclear weapons. the last week the new start 20 was just prolonged last minute when biden
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came into office. that's on the agenda and that is meant by strategic stability, limiting nuclear weapons addressing new threats like side buzzwords, and new weapon systems that are developed right now. this is one of the most dangerous areas in the us, russia relationship for all of us. and that is why the so important that there was agreement, they repeated the reckon garbage, a statement in nuclear watch should not be fought and cannot be one. that's a very important sign for both sides. it's not the most juicy or most like the topic, but it is an incredibly important topic for the security of basically everyone on the thought. and so just coming back to the mood, president biden is sometimes seen as a bit of a sort of a soft spoken diplomat, but he can, you know, he can be more confrontational. how do you see him? i see biden as a vary in experience. politician, he has decades of experience as politician 1st as president, then as 5,
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as well as in local politics and he's very careful and calculated and cautious everything he stays largely scripted it's added head and he is a huge contrast to donald trump, his purge assessor, and i think that because trump alienated a lot of the international community with his characteristics, being very outspoken, i think biden has a lot of appeal actually as a politician in many countries outside of the us, for example, in asia. the way he kind of presents himself, you know, with a lot of east asian cultures, it's very, it has, it gives more respect. and i think people also need to pay attention to that too. and he's not, he's very much made the power struggle between the us and china, his centro, are one of the central focus is if his foreign policy, what do you make of that?
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i think that biden has been very, very clever. it was a very smart move, i think we can all agree that communicating with future. and even though you said it wasn't the most juicy, sexy kind of move, i think it is a huge move forward in progress to kind of buddy up with russia for the 1st time in a long time. because we all know the elephant in the room is china biden, is mostly concerned about china than he is about rush at the moment. and russia is traditionally china's ally. and so to kind of now be more open to cooperation. you know, just to attend the summit. i think he has put the whole waging kind of at edge and everyone's nervous in china. yes. you don't look as though you buy, you buy all of that, matthew? well, i think the cab to teen is actually under a lot of pressure when it comes to china. you know, it's worth remembering. the rush is a fairly small economy. it's about as big as the economy of spain. they have
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a lot of nuclear weapons which makes them very dangerous. but i don't think that anybody really thought that putin would want to start a nuclear war with the west, or even this kind of arms raised like we saw in the cold war. because that's also very expensive, although there have been some worries in the united states that the russians are developing new hypersonic weapons that would threaten the west. be that as it may. i think the real issue is, is china. i think the problem that putin has though with china is that he doesn't want to be too dependent on china. so the degree that to which he can calm things with the west, probably the better also. also in his view to be a little bit pessimistic. i think we are actually, we have to admit that we are already in an am slave because both russia in the united states, modernizing the nuclear us and olds and developing these weapon systems. which is just to say that the focus of the summit was so important because we are already at
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a stage in this area where everyone is in danger. if some weapon systems are further developed, and that's also why fi but was such an important element of the summit by didn't gave putting a list of 16 critical infrastructure areas that should not be targeted by cyber takes. again, sounds very technical, but it's incredibly important to our daily life. i guess the problem. and the reason i would sleep so soundly is that the chinese are also developing these weapons and they are not party to these arm control agreements that date back to the cold war should be bought in into the, in the future. ok, well let's just listen to get to get a flavor of the 2 presidents as a spoken in geneva. let's listen to 1st of all, joe biden. and then we'll hear what the president putin had to say in the contract . a violate is basic norms. we will respond cyber he knows
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the cyber number 2 i. i think that the last thing he wants now is a cold war. fill of numbers. yeah. natural phase of letting me put in said, generally we understand what our american partners are talking about and they understand what we mean when we refer to read lisles. he by the 2 sides, have largely avoided. touching on these devices. issue is actually leon. i was out the red lines that emerged from the talks that will much talks about advanced won't, you know, can you pin them down like a short list? electron meddling. yes, huge red line for the united states. cyber attacks on critical infrastructure as i just mentioned, big red line, obviously human wides all of the important topic and by the bought the,
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the case of not only but that it's difficult to set a web line because how can you react to someone causes this issue i mean, he made a very clear statement to believe that it wouldn't be very, very problematic if not all the dice and put them. but again, what is the we action that you can take to the action? so what they focused on where we as, where they, we could make progress and the other areas were discussed. but the focus now is uncertain. we as and to see where the positive developments take place there. and from then we can take it to other areas possibly. and suji. how important do you think it is that there is a growing trash between the police cultures of the western model as it were, and then the eastern model as a liberal democracy? i think that, for example, opponents of the years centers and imperialism would say that it wouldn't be so much as a clash of political systems and cultures. because china has always been,
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for example, communist states since 949. and i think that all 3 of these economies, both russia, the u. s. and china have huge human rights violations. and they have very different political systems. but all 3 are struggling with serving social justice back home. and i think that, you know, the main issue is actually the competition between competing economies by 3 countries that are lead, you know, by 3 men that have, you know, frankly, a lot of hubris, arrogance, a bit of ego. if i'm, i say, and you know, they all want to be at the top of the world, you know, all 3 of them. and we are framing this as a kind of a clash of values over the world. you know, that's kind of dividing everyone between east and west, between europe and the u. s. and asia. but in fact it's,
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so i think people should pay a little bit more attention that what we're actually seeing is a competition between 3 very greedy countries. all 3 of them and all 3 countries have huge human rights abuses and social injustices. well, many ordinary americans might be asking themselves who the big enemy is these days for president bite, and there is no doubt that the greatest long term strategic challenge to america is china. a group photo with friends, the u. s. will desperately need them in the future. now the nations primary rival is china, a powerful of the nato summit, fill out the message, the world that the ranks are tightly closed. before the summit, the pentagon had already ordered us troops to shift their focus to china. some of the measures will likely to vote the ire of chinese president g. g ping like the planned trade agreement with taiwan,
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for example. and a new multi trillion dollar infrastructure plant is meant to compete with china's belt and road initiative that is working beyond that massive investments and technology are meant to encourage greater independence from chinese high tech product. biden also signed an executive order banning american from investing in $59.00 chinese companies. but not all of the us as partners agree with its hard line approach. china is arrival and many issues. and at the same time, china is also a partner on many issues. can president biden rely on his allies in the confrontation with china, with, with just a question just a minute, but i'd like to go back to suji and just a few days ago, there was a headline in the atlantic magazine, the cold. my i joe biden worries the china might when is he really to worry of what
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was, what would it mean for china to win? i think what by means and what us seeking is there, they're worried about trying to global influence and chinese expansion. and they are worried about chinese companies, you know, overtaking american companies, which have always been very successful. the u. s. has always in their view, been at the top of the world leadership. and i guess they don't want to share that position. and china is now for the 1st time since she's in pain came to power. he's kind of transform china so rapidly because china used to be such a poor, impoverish country always with human rights violations, always for decades. time has always had a lot of human rights violations, but the problem is now china has actually become economically very successful in addition to math, human rights violations. and so my question i always ask is,
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you know, when china had the chinaman was mr. car, when there was the great famine of china, where 45000000 people died. and in the culture revolution, when up to 1000000 people died in the u. s. no one in the international community interfered and came to, to help the people of china. and china was a poor country. they didn't have any high technology. they didn't have any scientific innovation at the time. people were leaving china, you know, in, in the millions we have a huge chinese diaspora around the world. and no one asked why, there's so many chinese people around the world. i don't think that biden is as cynical in his approach to china. i think he really has a deep seated believe that human rights do matter, that this is, and he mentioned that the press conference that this is a part of us foreign policy. so i think he doesn't only see it in terms of great
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