oh, can you hear me now? yes, yes, we can hear you. and hello germantown, we bring you on going to a mac or you've never had to have a full price just so we've got 2 east medical re won't want to people who follow along the way, admirers and critics alike. and how is the world's most powerful woman shaking her leg is being join us for macros. last on the me there is more freedom of speech to day and libya that ever was in the history of libya. it's inhuman treatment. it's barbarity with the buyer. we have to give the government a chance. libya has a new government of national unity which promises free elections by the end of this year. but the road blocks and faces are immense alms militia groups still hold power throughout the country. they feel kill and kid map with impunity. my guess

this week is tommy vile libby as ambassador to the u. n. in geneva from where he joins me. how will this new government succeed? where all the others have failed? the coming by. welcome to conflict zone. thank you. thank you for the 3 days off the new government of national unity was sworn in. there was a shocking reminder of how little unity there is in your country. up to 15 bodies were found handcuffed and done to the cement factory in the eastern city of bang ghazi, while life remain so cheap and murder is enjoy almost total impunity in your country, there's nothing much to celebrate with this. new government is there. well, that's not necessarily accurate because we don't, 1st of all, we don't know when this crime took place. secondly, as you know,

during transition periods, things tend to be take a little bit of time to, to, to come to a more stable environment where you're not suggesting to me that there are daily killings and discoveries of mass graves. if these killings go on. this government will fail, like all the others. when did, that's the point. absolutely, and therefore it's extremely important for the international community, the united nations and all the mechanisms of the international organizations to come together and help the current government in every way possible. it's matter of fact here in geneva, if you checked into this, you would know that we have passed a resolution that the 43rd session of human rights council. calling for a mechanism of accountability, calling for the ability to hold this impunity of crimes committed to human rights violations committed. and so we are seeking the help of the international community, the united nations, with all the various organizations to step in and help us be able to put into unity

at a stop when you have a show much interest in doing that in the past with previous governments have you, this was just the latest of many mass killings which i was talking about by the dozens of militia groups that fight daily for control of your country. and unless your government never mind the international community. but unless your government comes to grips with these groups, the new government is going to be just as part of all the others, isn't it? well, again, we have to give the government a chance to, let's keep in mind that the government has not even been in office for 30 days just yet. and there's a lot of work ahead. there's a top corner of tasks that need to be taken care of because the security and stability, but also keeping in mind that the role of the international community is extremely important. partnership with the international community through the united nations

is extremely important for the security instability in libya and the success of any government. so it's important for the international community to do as part, let's not forget that we just came out of approximate. yes, i mean, you can turn it over to the international community as much as you like, but it's got to be done on the ground. and this is a government and it's a weak government, and it's going to be very difficult for it to gain control of those arms groups that have been allowed to capture so much of your state over previous years. and it doesn't look from what i've done, how many debate has said your intern prime minister, that he has very much of a strong commitment to either justice or, or accountability. does it well, you seem to be judging the government before it even has a chance to be able to do it by what it said or what it hasn't said so far. let's, let's judge by what has taken place or the few weeks that it has been in our house

. let's look at the efforts that have already been done to reno 5 institutions. let's look at the efforts that have been done into civilizing the security situation. the country through the joint military commission, which let's keep in mind again, they ended a war in the last, you know, just a few months ago we were not going to be talking what it says. it says he's fine, it's a shaky c 5. so it's a bit premature to talk about the end of the war, isn't it? it's not a, a solid fire. i agree, but it is nonetheless as cease fire stop hostilities and there is a chance for peace today. so let's embark on supporting this transfer piece. we've seen that there are, there are 2 major advantages in the debate government for the militia groups. firstly, he's weak and secondly, for the time being he has the keys to the safe. so it's in their interest to do

business with him, but for how long they want to chance to get bands on money. and i see that he's already promised local government. a flurry of construction projects in various regions as long as he continues buying off these groups, they'll go along with him. if he starts getting tough with them, they'll get rid of him when they well, you know, you can, you can pose these questions to the prime minister and know what his plans are. but let's keep in mind that when we have a proxy war, countries that were involved supported some of these armed groups in libya, which caused much of the of the destruction and disarray that we have been in. number 2, keeping in mind that we have been calling for a d r program has to start program keeping in mind b, what d d basically basically taking these young men out, these are group malicious environments and in turning him into

a more constructive and positive elements society, this is going to take a long time, isn't this is more so term to short term measure. this is only a government that runs for 8 months. that's, that's not forget, that's an interim government, isn't it? absolutely. so let's not hold the government so accountable for resolving everything with the magic ones. so we have to we can hold it accountable for certain things and in particular, for the very corruption it should be promising to fight. because even before the, there were documented attempts by the baby supporters to bribe delegates to support him. that's pretty outrageous behavior isn't it? well, those, those are allegations and that's what made by the un made by the un. so they're not based on nothing of it. well the u. n is the same, is the same entity that supported the dialogue and supported the coming of the government into law. so they did the support the,

the baby supporters who were trying to bribe delegates to vote for him. did they know in support that, that well again, these are allegations that has not been proven that really sort and nothing has been stated by the when to that effect. well, the un inquiry said the pm supporters of bribes, those i as $200000.00 to induce people to vote for him. un report was quite specific. he said at least 3 such bribes were offered, although all of them are apparently turned down. well, again, let's ask the wind about that and why they supported the outcomes of the up and, and having the government come into into office. let's keep in mind again, it's a new government. it's a very well representative of the entire libya managed to bring the entire country together. this is the 1st time that we have one government, one legitimate, recognized internationally and nationally. and given the trust by the h o r,

which has not been able to do so for previous governments know how to representatives that is correct as representatives. so we, we are seeing some positive steps in the right direction. the picture is not rosie . we have a lot of work. we have a lot of things that we need to address. it is not something that's going to happen overnight. we need to build on the positive blocks that we have measured and been able to accomplish so far. you say that one of the worst aspects of these bribery allegations is that the baby was interim office. describe the claims as fake news when they clearly went fake at all. and that doesn't say much for the level of honesty or transparency that he says he's going to adhere to. does it is his response to these allegations suggest that his government is going to be as dishonest as all the others have been? doesn't it? well, i'll be happy to connect you with his spokesman and he can address these concerns for you. mister the baby is reputation is pretty check. it isn't that he prospered

mightily during the dictatorship of mammography. he ended up running the living investment and development, holding company, which itself was room to have been involved in corruption and money laundering. why should people trust him now, especially at this critical time? let's, let's, let's talk about looking at here because you're promising on, on allegations. again, one particular individual who can address these allegations and sell occasions of the company. the company in particular that he did, he ran your ass city as the libyan, represented at the united nations geneva. let's talk about what positive things that we've been able to do. let's talk about the resolution that was passed in the rights council for accountability or human rights violations and the mass grades, the prime minister and libya. let's talk about the resolution that has been passed for repair termination of elicit funds that are rights rights we owned by the state

of libya. let's talk about the initiative that was supported piece initiative that was supported here in geneva, which led to the signing of the of the piece agreements and the ceasefire. and looking at a lot of positive things that we need to focus on. and we need to build on these, this is a direction that we need to go. want to get a chance to have a chance to teach. let's not forget things in prosperity. and this should be the benchmark. why libya for is young of a country that is, this is come out of the nation has been, and military dictatorship rule for over 4 decades. then it had a revolutionary period where meddling in foreign countries and to the parents, libya and we capture and state capture by the armed militia groups that were against close to paul. i'm still in power. you talk about passing resolutions,

passing resolution doesn't change. the fact that you have indicted war criminals promoted to powerful positions in your country and, and they're still there. and there are plenty of examples of the month that i'm too gone the quickly also known as guinea. we're now head of a new entity called the stability support authority. he reports directly to the presidency. human rights groups have documented war crimes and serious rights violations by his forces for more than 10 years. for europe un reported these troops have previously opened far on civilians. none of that prevented his appointment. and is appointment is still in place. how is your country? can you tell me this? how is your country to move forward when these people who are suspected of serious war crimes are in these enormous positions of responsibility? well, i suspect, you know, i'm not here to be a court to judge on,

on these individuals. i'm here to be able to unify the international communities, possession of the libya situation, and we need to address many issues, some of which are the ones you mentioned, but we also have to address and that's on the international scope, the interventions and the interference of other countries into the affairs internal affairs of libya. if we work on that as far as i'm concerned for my position here in geneva, that is a major accomplishment. yes, we need to work on a lot of fronts, but this is what we need to focus on. we need to work on to unify the international physicians on the we've talked a little bit about accountability and justice, amnesty international described in a report to month ago, the justice system in libya as dysfunctional and ineffective judges and prosecutors is it said risk assassination? the duction for doing their jobs, isn't it

a fact then virtually every check and balance every restraint on illegal power and criminal activity has not been removed in libya. hasn't that? how do you put all that back together again? well, it's a process. it's a complicated process and it requires a lot of work and we recognize that we do know that we have problems. we do know we have major issues that we need to deal with. but we need to help with the international people do that. and how do we do that? we do that by stopping intervention and the meddling into the general affairs. we stop the, the computers violations and the security council resolutions and the violations of arms embargo by many states support. some of these factions talking about we do that by helping control the orders of, of libya. and lydia has been calling for, for a long time. the support of calling to share an order with our neighbors,

as well as the partners the european partners and to come in to help them to get to do that through the you ben agreements we need, we need to activate all those things. we can, its a domino effect, a multiply mr. mr. by this government is only designed to last until december, the 24th. that's the date when libyans are supposed to freely elect the next administration, that's only 8 months away. what chance does this week government have of organizing those free elections with the massive human rights abuses that are taking place in your country day after day? well that, that is correct. and they recognize that they recognize what their agenda is. but it's, it's a process, it's a building process. building blocks process. we have to start somewhere with realistic process. so it isn't, you know, you have the us special envoy for libya, young cooper's telling the security council last month that his office continues to document. and how rhetoric catalog of brutality in your country killings enforce

disappearances, sexual violence, including right, attacks against activists and human rights defenders and hate crimes. the international responsibility international community isn't responsible for that. the meddling that you've talked about isn't responsible for that. that's coming from people your own people inside your own country, isn't it? you think that sets the right conditions for free and fair election in libya in just on the a month? well, again, it's a building process. we have 2 major steps going forward in the right direction, positive direction. all these issues must be addressed. international community does have a role in this. as a matter of fact, as i stated earlier, the international community and some of the countries that have metal into the internal affairs of libya or the primary cost for some of these things that you're talking about. when need to be able to make a stop to that, make sure that we get a chance to address that concerns. it's problems. we do know that we are going to

take how long, how long you want to chance for when you had a government of national court before that didn't do it. it was a government of appeasement. you know, it's prioritized paying off the groups and appeasing the groups over justice. is this government going to make the same mistake? the last one did, let's, let's be there and let's be looking bens right. that what you just said. you could be said about countries will be paying off our group. so libya, what been causing much of these problems that you're talking about? we need to be able to address the issues as they are. so let's, let's, let's control the situation where libyans can handle the process with journal and then we can judge and hold accountable. but government and what it can do and cannot do. well,

i want to match the situation in the country to the prime ministers rhetoric, if that's indeed possible. the new prime minister is on record, for instance, is like he wants to spread a culture of freedom, of opinion and expression. how exactly will he do that when journalists have to work in constant fear in your country? the right group report is without borders says, for instance, that the total of abuses against john this the media outlets. biology groups associated with successive libyan governance has grown steadily. we're talking mother with abduction, we're talking torture here. you keep focusing on the crime. so we recognize those crimes and we do understand that there were there 2 quite big ones. then they pretty important ones on the board there. that's why i think is going through a transition. that's why we need to get out of this violence violence phase and be able to get into the restoration of the country institutions, the able to set into

a civilian democratic state and be able to give the human rights to the living people keeping in mind again this is the benchmark that we stablish early on in the conversation. this is a new culture that we have to go into that we are not so well experienced about we do need the help to be able to accomplish that. and the will, is there the, the goals and the object assess and sets every 17th, 2011, and wanting to, to, to set up a democratic state that is based on freedoms. that's based on justice. that's based on the ability to prosper and do well and the current, those are the great woods. but how do you get that? how do you get there? and you have these enormous road blocks in your past and you get there. you're not without a free press, you don't have a basis for the mac, so you don't have a free press. there's no law in libya guaranteeing the public's right of access to information. is that what one of the chances they'll ever be one in libya?

will you don't want him? there are more tv stations in libya today than ever were before. you know what the people are talking about wanting to set up freedom of speech in libya. not only that, there is more freedom of speech today in libya that ever was in the history of libya . really, we do need reporters without borders, says libya has reached its lowest ever position in the groups. well, press index once 164 out of 180 countries that's worse than during the good duffy era. that's a huge step backwards, isn't it? well, again, i don't know what information they're basing there. there are reports on, but we do do we do need to recognize that there is more of a chance to be able to set up a civil state set up on democratic values on freedoms, on justice today than we ever had

a possibility to be able to do so in the past history of libya and we need to be able to capitalize in that. we need to be able to support that. we need to be able to work on that. and we recognize that the order is tall, but there is the will. and there is a commitment to one to go down to staff. and we need to get the commitments by all libyans and others. the international community included to support that. even before libyans get to the december elections, this government is committed to holding a referendum on a new constitution. again, how you doing form the public without a free press is, is up to you. but what if you miss the deadlines? what if you missed the deadline? for this new constitution and the new elections, it's pretty tight, isn't it? see scott greg unravel. if you don't get there. it is very tight and you know the possibility of missing the deadline as possible. as a matter of fact, she did, nation has, has missed many deadlines in the past,

in the process of coming to this point. so we do need to work. the commitment again is there, the will is there, and the efforts are underway. keeping in mind the, the process has already been established with some other deadlines. there is a july 1st deadline to agreement on a constitutional basis to passing a legislation to ensure the elections law and that the preparations for the higher thorough commission to do its work to allow for the 24th of december elections. but there is also another very important deadline. there is a deadline that we have already passed. the international community has passed. the united nation has passed the exit of all 4 fighters and mercenaries out of libya. that has yet to happen. that isn't the stream. the important because stability and security again to your point is extremely important to be able to do these electrons in a stable and secure environment with the bi away had

a lot of ground rhetoric from the prime minister about libyans being one unit, one hot, that hot hasn't been much in evidence these last few years. has it look at the shocking way migrants have been treated in your country in the last 2 months? hundreds of them have been intercepted, trying to freely been small boats and had for europe. do you know why they're so desperate to leave libya and you know, what happens to them when they're brought back to libya, these migrants, many of them, you know that yes, i do as a matter of fact some, but let me correct you what you're saying is not accurate. number one, these microphones when they left their towns in the villages from the various countries in africa, they set their mind and going to the northern shores of the mediterranean. they were not coming to libya. libby as a transient country, everybody knows that the same reports that you refer to you and reports. everybody knows that. but also, and yet in libya they continue to be systematically subject to arbitrary detention

and torture in both official and unofficial places of detention. you proud of that? no, i'm not proud. we do have problems and the government has recognized and continues to recognize the violations of the problems that we have with my religion. government has been associated with these violations has been directly associated with these violations at 10. let me, let me just finish this point. it's extremely important. what you're referring to. how students crimes are alleged crimes on a population of about $4000.00 migrants in detention centers or with all gathering and do for and departure facilities. its in yet human human. what treatment? it's parity risk. it's in human treatment. we're talking about sexual violence, abductions around, some extortion, forced labor, unlawful killings. it doesn't matter whether it's 4000 or 4000000. why,

why are you treat? what does it say about your people that you are treating? migrants in this way that is not correct to your information is not fully accurate . you're reporting half of the information that is being out there. let me also repeat to you as i was stating the, the legit crimes you're talking about which the libyan government has been dealing with and continues to work with you with, with the various you and organizations is concerning some facilities where there is no more than or 5000 at the most migrants that happened to be in these facilities because they're supposed to. and you and organizations also know that these are migrants that are supposed to be listed to another country. but the rest of the, of the miners that we have, and we have about a 1000000 in libya, live really and safely among all libyans throughout libya. all right,

coming by and we run out of time. thank you. thank you for making that point and thank you very much for your time on call me as who's

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