pathology but him he didn't change africa. what's the story here? what did they have for their future? he w dot com, african megacity multimedia insight. click and the counter me there is more freedom of speech to day and libya that ever was in the history of libya in human treatment. it's barbarity missed the buyer. we have to give the government a chance. libya has a new government of national unity which promises free elections by the end of this year. for the road blocks. it faces our arms militia, groups still hold power throughout the country. they still kill and kids map with impunity. my guess this week is tommy vile libby as ambassador to the u. n. in

geneva from where he joins me. how will this new government succeed, where all the others have failed? the coming by a welcome to conflict zone. thank you. thank you for the 3 days off the new government of national unity was sworn in. there was a shocking reminder of how little unity there is in your country. up to 15 bodies were found handcuffed and done to the cement factory in the eastern city of bang ghazi, while life remain so cheap and murder is enjoy almost total impunity in your country, there's nothing much to celebrate with this. new government is there. well, that's not necessarily accurate because we don't, 1st of all, we don't know when this crime took place. secondly, as you know,

during transition periods, things tend to be take a little bit of time to, to, to come to a more stable environment where you're not suggesting to me that there are daily killings and discoveries of mass graves. if these killings go on. this government will fail, like all the others. when did, that's the point. absolutely, and therefore it's extremely important for the international community, the united nations and all the mechanisms of the international organizations to come together and help the current government in every way possible. it's matter of fact here in geneva, you checked into this, you would know that we have passed a resolution that the 43rd session of human rights council. calling for a mechanism of accountability, calling for the ability to hold this impunity of crimes committed to human rights violations committed. and so we were seeking the help of the international community, the united nations, with all the various organizations to step in and help us be able to put into unity

at a stop when you have a show much interest in doing that in the past with previous governments have you, this was just the latest of many mass killings which i was talking about by the dozens of militia groups that fight daily for control of your country. and unless your government never mind the international community. but unless your government comes to grips with these groups, the new government is going to be just as part of the others, isn't it? well, again, we have to give the government a chance and let's keep in mind that the government has not even been in office for 30 days just yet. and there's a lot of work heads that there's a tall order of tasks, but each be taken care of including security and stability. but also keeping in mind that the role of the international community is extremely important. partnership as part time with the international community through the united

nations is extremely important for the security instability, libya and the success of any government. so it's important for the international community to do it's part, let's not forget that we just came out of approximate. yes, i mean, you can turn it over to the international community as much as you like, but it's got to be done on the ground. and this is a government and it's a weak government, and it's going to be very difficult for it to gain control of those armed groups that have been allowed to capture so much of your state over previous years. and it doesn't look from what i've done, how many debate has said your interim prime minister, that he has very much of a strong commitment to either justice or, or accountability. does it? well, you seem to be judging the government before you didn't have a chance to be able to do it by what it said, or what it hasn't said so far. less less judged by what has taken place a few weeks. but it hasn't been in our house. let's look at the efforts that have

already been done to reno 5 institutions. let's look at the efforts that have been done into civilizing the security situation, the country through the joint military commission, which let's keep in mind again. but they ended a war in the last, you know, just a few months ago, we would not be talking to the scott, it's a sci fi, and it's a shaky c 5. so it's a bit premature to talk about the end of the war, isn't it? it's not a, a solid cease fire. i agree, but it is nonetheless, sees fire stop hostilities and there is a chance for peace today. so let's embark on supporting this transfer piece. we've seen that there are, there are 2 major advantages in the debate government for the militia groups. firstly, he's weak and secondly, for the time being he has the keys to the face. so it's in their interest to do

business with him, but for how long they want to chance to get bands on money. and i see that he's already promised local government. a flurry of construction projects in various regions, as long as he continues buying off these groups, they'll go along with him. if he starts getting tough with them, they'll get rid of him when they well, again, you know, you can, you can pose these questions to the prime minister and know what his plans are. but let's keep in mind that when we have a proxy war, countries that were involved supported some of these armed groups in libya, which caused much of the of the destruction and disarray that we have been in. number 2, keeping in mind that we have been calling for a d d r program at the start program. keep that in mind. b. what d d basically basically taking these young men out of these are group

militias, environments and turning them into a more constructive and positive elements of society. this is going to take a long time, isn't. this is more so if you were to show it to measure this is only a government that runs for 8 months that's, that's not forget, that's an interim government, isn't it? absolutely. so let's not hold the government so accountable for resolving everything with the magic ones. so we have to we can hold it accountable for certain things and in particular for the very corruption it should be promising to fight. because even before the, there were documented attempts by the baby supporters to bribe delegates to support . and that's pretty outrageous behaviors in it. wow, those, those are allegations and that's what made by the un made by the u. n. so they're not based on nothing of it. well, the u. n is the same, is the same entity that supported the dialogue and supported the coming of the government into law. so the better the support, the,

the baby supporters who were trying to bribe delegates to vote for him did they know in support that, that well again, these are allegations that has not been proven. resorts in nothing has been stated by the un to that effect. well, the un inquiry said the p. m. supporters of bribes those hi as $200000.00 to induce people to vote for him. un report was quite specific. he said at least 3 such bribes were offered, although all of them are apparently turned down. well, again, let's ask the went about that and why they supported the outcomes of the, of the dialogue and, and having the government come into into office. let's keep in mind again, it's a new government. it's a very well representative of the entire libya. it managed to bring the entire country together. this is the 1st time that we have one government, one legitimate, recognized internationally and nationally. and given the trust by the h o r,

which has not been able to do so for previous governments. now how the representatives that is correct as representatives. so we, we are seeing some positive steps from the right direction. the bishop is not rosie . we have a lot of work. we have a lot of things that we need to address. it is not something that's going to happen overnight. we need to build on the positive blocks that we have measured and been able to accomplish so far. you say that one of the worst aspects of these bribery allegations is that the baby was interim office. describe the claims as fake news when they clearly went fake at all. and that doesn't say much for the level of honesty or transparency that he says he's going to adhere to. does it, is his response to these allegations suggest that his government is going to be dishonest, as all the others have been? doesn't it? well, i'll be happy to connect you with his spokesman and he can address these concerns for mister,

the baby is reputation is pretty check. it isn't that he prospered mightily during the dictatorship of mammography. he ended up running the living investment and development, holding company, which itself was room to have been involved in corruption and money laundering. why should people trust him now, especially at this critical time? let's, let's, let's talk about libya here because you're promising on, on allegations. again, one particular individual who can address these allegations and sell occasions of the company, the company in particular that he could, he ran your faculty as the libyan, represented at the united nations dealer. let's talk about what positive things that we've been able to do. let's talk about the resolution that was passed in the rights council for accountability for human rights violations and the mass grades and the price of the mit is and libya. let's talk about the resolution that has been passed for repair ration of elicit funds that are rights rights we owned by

the state of libya. let's talk about the initiative that was supported piece initiative that was supported here in geneva, which led to the signing of the of the piece agreements and the cease fire and libya. a lot of positive things that we need to focus on. and we need to build on these, this is a direction that we don't want to get a chance to have a chance to teach. let's not forget things in prosperity. and this should be the benchmark. why libya for is young of a country. that is, this is come out of the nation, has been, and military dictatorship rule for over 4 decades. then it had a revolutionary period where meddling a foreign countries to the parents. and we capture and state capture by the armed militia groups that were against close to paul. i'm still in power. you talk about

passing resolutions. passing resolution doesn't change. the fact that you have indicted war criminals promoted to powerful positions in your country and. and they're still there, and there are plenty of examples of the month that i'm still gonna keep re, also known as guinea. we're now head of a new entity called the stability support authority. he reports directly to the presidency. human rights groups have documented war crimes and serious rights violations by his forces for more than 10 years. for europe, the un reported that his troops have previously opened far on civilians. none of that prevented his appointment. and is appointment is still in place. how is your country? can you tell me this? how is your country to move forward when these people who are suspected of serious war crimes are in these enormous positions of responsibility? suspected, you know, i'm not here to be

a court to judge on these individuals. i'm here should be able to unify the international communities, possession of the libya situation, and we need to address many issues, some of which are the ones that you mentioned, but we also have to address that's on the international sco the interventions and the inter appearance of the countries into the affairs and internal affairs, olivia, if we work on that, as far as i'm concerned from my position here, that is a major. yes, we need to work on a lot of runs, but this is what we need to focus on. we need to work on to unify the international physicians on the we've talked a little bit about accountability and justice, amnesty international described in a report to month ago, the justice system in libya as dysfunctional and ineffective judges and prosecutors, it said risk assassination. and the duction for doing their jobs isn't a fact then,

but virtually every check and balance every restraint on illegal power and criminal activity has now been removed in libya. hasn't it? how do you put all that back together again? well it's, it's processing, it's a complicated process and it requires a lot of work and we recognize that we do know that we have problems. we do know that we have major issues that we need to deal with. but we need to help with the international people do that. and how do we do that? we do that by stopping intervention and meddling into the general affairs. we stop the impunity of violate the security council resolutions and the violations of arms embargo by many states support. some of these factions talking about we do that by helping control the orders of, of libya and lydia has been calling for, for a long time. the support of common share orders with our neighbors,

as well as the partners in partners and to come in to help them to do that through the agreements when we need to activate all those things. we can, it's a domino effect to multiply that mr. by this government is only designed to last until december, the 24th. that's the date. when libyans are supposed to freely elect the next administration, that's only 8 months away. what chance does this week government have of organizing those free elections with the massive human rights abuses? that are taking place in your country day after day. well that, that is correct. and they recognize that they recognize what their agenda is. but it's, it's a process, it's a building process. building blocks process. we have to start somewhere. we realistic process. so it isn't, you know, you have the un special envoy for libya, young cooper's telling the security council last month that his office continues to document and her catalog brutality in your country killings enforce disappearances,

sexual violence including right attacks against activists and human rights defenders. and hate crimes. these, the national responsibility, international communities are responsible for that. the meddling that you've talked about isn't responsible for that. that's coming from people. your own people inside your own country, isn't it? you think that sets the right conditions for free and fair elections in libya and just on a months time? well, again, it's a building process. we have to take the major steps going forward in the right direction, positive direction. all these issues must be addressed. the international community does have a role in this as a matter of fact, as i stated earlier, the international community and some of the countries that have metal into the internal affairs of libya or the primary cause for some of these things that you're talking about. when need to be able to make a stop to that, make sure that we get a chance to address that concerns. it's problems. we do know that we have,

this is going to take how long, how long do you want to chance for when you had a government of national court before that didn't do it. it was a government of appeasement. you know, it's prioritized paying off the groups and appeasing the groups over justice. is this government going to make the same mistake? the last one did the, let's, let's be there and let's be looking fence right. that what you just said could be said about countries who paying off our group. so libya, what been causing much of these problems that you're talking about? we need to be able to address the issues as they are. so let's, let's, let's control the situation where the libyans can handle the process generally, and then we can judge and hold accountable. but government and what it can do and cannot do. well,

i want to match the situation in the country to the prime minister's rhetoric if that's indeed possible. the new prime ministers on record, for instance, is like he wants to spread a culture of freedom, of opinion and expression. how exactly will he do that when journalists have to work in constant fear in your country? the right group report is without borders says, for instance, the total of abuses against john this the media outlets biology groups associated with success. if the libyan government has grown steadily, we're talking mother with abduction, we're talking torture here. you keep focusing on a crime. so we recognize those crimes and we do understand that there were there 2 quite big ones and they pretty important ones on the board there. that's why i think is going through a transition. that's why we need to get out of this by violence violence and be able to get into the restoration of a country institutions, the able to set into a civilian democratic state and be able to give you more rights to the libyan

people. keeping in mind, again, this is the benchmark that we stablished early on in the conversation. this is a new culture that we have to go into that we are not so well experienced about. we do need the help to be able to accomplish that. and the will, is there, the, the goals and the object has happened, sets every 17th, 2011, and wanting to set up a democratic state that is based on freedoms. that's based on justice. that's based on the ability to prosper and do well. and the current, those are the great woods, but how do you get that? how do you get there? and you have these enormous roadblocks in your past and you get there, you're not without a free press, you don't have a basis for democracy. you don't have a free press, the law in libya guaranteeing the public's right of access to information. is that what one of the chances they'll ever be one in libya will you don't?

what's in there are more tv stations in libya today than ever were before. you know what the people are talking about wanting to set up freedom of speech in libya. not only that, there is more freedom of speech today in libya that ever was in the history of libya. we're not really. we do. reporters without borders, says libya has reached its lowest ever position in the groups. well, press index once 164 out of 180 countries that's worse than during the gadhafi era. that's a huge step backwards, isn't it? well, again, i don't know what information they're basing their, their, their reports on. but we do, do we do need to recognize that there is more of a chance to be able to set up a civil state set up on democratic values on freedoms, on justice today than we ever had

a possibility to be able to do so in the past history of libya and we need to be able to capitalize them that we need to be able to support that. we need to be able to work on that. and we recognize that the order is tall, but there is the will. and there is a commitment to want to go down to staff. and we need to get the commitment by all the others. the international community included to support that. even before the libyans get to the december elections, this government is committed to holding a referendum on a new constitution. again, how you doing form the public without a free press is, is up to you. but what if you miss the deadlines? what if you miss the deadline for this new constitution and the new elections? it's pretty tight, isn't it? see stuff going on, ravel, if you don't get there, it is very tight, and you know, the possibility of missing that deadline as possible. as a matter of fact, she did, nation has, has missed many the ones in the past in the process of coming to this point. so we

do need to work. the commitment again is there, the will is there, and the efforts are underway. keeping in mind the, the process has already been established with some other that lack. there is a july 1st deadline to agreement on a constitutional basis to passing a legislation to ensure the elections law and that the preparations for the highest royal commission to do its work to allow for the 24th of december elections. but there is also another very important deadline. there is a deadline that we have already passed. the international community has passed. the united nation has passed the exit of all 4 fighters and mercenaries out of libya. that has yet to happen. that isn't the stream. the important because stability and security again to your point is extremely important to be able to do these electrons in a stable and secure environment with by away had

a lot of ground rhetoric from the prime minister about libyans being one unit. one hot, that hot hasn't been much in evidence these last few years, has it look at the shocking way migrants have been treated in your country in the last 2 months. hundreds of them have been intercepted, trying to freely been small boats and had for europe. do you know why they're so desperate to leave libya and you know, what happens to them when they're brought back to libya, these migrants, many of them, you know that yes, i do as a matter of fact some, but let me correct you what you're saying is not accurate. number one, these migrants when they left their towns in their villages, from the various countries in africa, they set their mind and going to the northern shores of the mediterranean. they were not coming to libya. libby as a transient country, everybody knows that the same reports that you refer to you and reports. everybody knows that, but also you can and yet you, in libya,

they continue to be systematically subject to arbitrary detention and torture in both official and unofficial places of detention. you proud of that? no, not proud. we do have problems and the government has recognized and continues to recognize the violations of the problems that we have. a micro libyan government has been associated with these violations has been directly associated with these violations at terms. let me, let me just finish this point. it's extremely important what you're referring to, how students crimes are alleged crimes on a population of about 4000 makers in detention centers or gathering and before and departure facilities. its in yet human human. what treatment parity mystify its inhuman treatment. we're talking about sexual violence, abduction for ransom. extortion, forced labor, unlawful killings. it doesn't matter whether it's 4000 or 4000000. why,

why are you? what does it say about your people that you are treating migrants in this way? and it's not correct to your information is not fully accurate. you're reporting half of the information that is being out there. let me also repeat to you as i was stating the legit crimes you're talking about which the libyan government has been dealing with and continues to work with you with, with the various un organization is concerning. some facilities where there is no more than or $5000.00 at the most of migrants that happened to be at least facilities because they're supposed to. and you and organizations also know that these are migrants that are supposed to be listed to another country. but the rest of the, of the miners that we have, and we have about a 1000000 in libya, live really and safely among all libyans throughout libya. all right,

coming via we run out of time. thank you. thank you for making that point and thank you very much for your time on calling me the news

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