least in germany or falling right now, that should be possible. again, we should try everything to maintain that level that we can trace and track and then really know what's happening. but also we need information about how likely it is that a person can spread the virus. so it is another male or female is for example, that we need to take into account that the person travel or profession has a person so that we really understand the situation rather than saying everyone lockdown because i think that's not a good solution. we have to learn better over the last month. hopefully. thank you very much. and let me ask benjamin, because you of course, are based here in germany. and i know that this new lockdown in lisbon, in the postponement of lifting of measures in britain, they do have a lot of people here worried. on the other hand, people are just getting used to this new normal things scene so, so good and relaxed. you think that it's going to be very hard for people here to accept. if new restrictions do, in fact have to be put into play. i think it will be difficult if i compare the

situation germany with the situation until i was this back and forth. so we have 2 current team, then the situation is getting better then you can move than again you have to stay at home. so that's why it's important to have this crisis communication and go in one way and say, you know, situation will get worse. probably in, in the next month. the cases will go up. so it's important to take care now, and there are several tools that we have will exceeds the only one tool, but you have to have tracing of people where they traveling. now during the euro cop, germany will face england in wembley, of course, and then you have put up a seeing pictures of a full stadium, 100 percent capacity. and then of course, it's important to see which travel is essential in which travel could also lead to more cases when people start moving around and restrictions lifted. also, when it comes to constant traveling and quarantine in the country where you, where you're going to dr. kerr, when you see those pictures of full football stadiums, when you hear that london is still planning to host to the european championship

final in wembley stadium, with 60000 fans. do you think we've all got our heads in the sand? well, i hope there a test before and after the game, everyone who is around and stayed steady more in the stadium. so obviously that's a quite risky situation that people are putting themselves in and, and i hope that everyone understands that they have been exposed, potentially, and that they should be tested or put in place themselves counting often in specifically, if they have any symptoms suggestive of a flu like symptoms or like coral and symptoms as many of us should know. now let me ask and cater because in fact, infection rates in india now are falling. although, as you pointed out at the beginning of the show, india has vaccinated only a tiny proportion of its population so far. so what is what is accountable for accountants for that fall in infection rates?

and are you seeing signs in india of restriction fatigue? so i took the fullest question, so obviously like every penny going to be waived. there's like a peak and then there's a fall. so that's what happened. and there is a fall now like we are seeing cases steady increasing of the delta v and get aligned. russia are great examples. what will go wrong in the future if you know the governments, you know, don't buck up? i think in terms of a waxing nation, what's happening is that we had the supply crunch at the beginning, you know, in march, april me. and that the sort of results with like, that name them or the, the prime minister announcing that people decentralized the distribution, no vaccines. now the problem is that in a lot of the people, even if they're getting the 1st job, they're unable to get the 2nd one because business is just not apply. so now the things that east up with would make with the north of ex, maxine,

the supposed to come there's school acts in india's indigenous vaccine that's also there. but what i feel is the biggest issue right now is the kind of narrative that goes on the vaccine and is obviously the big city. people feel that, you know, they have been locked up for too long. and you know, we need to stop talking about the crew and then we need to start looking at the site of life, which is a great way to ping, but it's not something that you can implement on the ground. if you like, suddenly just go out and, you know, live your life normally get. and now the problem is that a lot of the offices are opening up. so people are, you know, going back to work. so now that people are going back to where did you notice going around the get the poor country ignored legally backward. we cannot afford to sit at home, we have to learn something. so these kind of narratives that sort of make a, you know, supporting the eggs the fatigue of the lockdown. thank you very much and i'll just say to our viewers that we're sorry that,

that image of kita occasionally is frozen. but i think we can all still hear her well, so that is great. let us come now to a deeper look at the vaccination challenge and in the race against time between variance like delta and vaccines. poor countries suffer a dramatic disadvantage despite the mantra that no one is safe until everyone is safe. the reality is that covert 19 dramatically magnifies global inequality on health. new daily streets are alive again, new infections and deaths are decreasing, but less than 20 percent of indian residents have received one vaccination. nevertheless, many of them are still convinced that they've learned i don't think people have short memory lard, the things logical load the yard. it was already time for everyone. bard, the thing that people. 2 and go mandated

a lot and i think it's fine in brazil. on the other hand, the situation is worse than in the country now. has more than 500000 confirmed corona, brazilian president, both in ro downplayed the dangers of the pandemic for too long infections arising in sheila as well, even though the government has tried to stop, the virus was spreading with lockdown and vaccination campaigns. even worse than new variant has been discovered in latin american countries. it's dangerous. have not yet been analyzed. do we have to learn to live with the virus? and it's variance. benjamin chilly is now talking about giving a 3rd booster shot starting early this fall so quickly. 2 questions to you. first of all, the adequacy of the amounts of vaccine you do have. and julian, secondly, do you think that the battle against kobe could wind up being decided not here in europe or the us, but in the global south?

totally. i mean, if we look at the vaccine rates of africa, for example in america, which is really that is an exception. if you compared to countries, we have the co books program. we have g 7 countries pledging to donate more vaccines. but that's definitely not enough. and when you look at the situation, we just saw it in brazil. what's happening in believe, you know, what happened in ecuador, so in all of the latin american countries, there is definitely something that the needs far more support. and it's not just the vaccines, but also the financial support for the people for them to stay at home. because that's important to note as well. not everyone breaches the rules because they want to. there are some of them, of course, will go out with legal parties, but others who have to go out quarantine is not an option. i mean, that's a privilege. sure. and it's been demick. thank you. dr. court grand promises were made during the g 7 meeting about how much vaccine the north wants to send to the global south. but when you look at the actual numbers, i think it's 55000000 doses that the us is now pledge, traditionally, it's

a tiny drop in the bucket. this is essentially a situation of tree. something doctors are very familiar with where we have scarce resources and we have to decide where they are best used, given the magnitude of the problem. what would you say when you look at this health inequality and the very low number of people being vaccinated in poor countries? is that where we need to be sending vaccine right now, rather than keeping it here for ourselves in the rich north? it's very unfortunate at the g 7 and speak about the importance of global health, but then in the one of the biggest crisis on global health, that the action is very, very limited. and so, yes, we have to understand it's a global pandemic. and if we do not prevent the glow pretty much from spreading the virus, then the virus will come back. so like the decision to my country, 1st of those who can afford it and then sending a little bit of vac seem to other countries is not sufficient. we have to substantially increase the efforts and send vaccine to these countries and ideally

build up production capacities in these regions that they can actually produce their own big things. let me go back to it because of course that was a big topic for us. last time we talked on this program, the idea had been put out there that we need to see a lifting of patent restrictions so that countries in the global south can make more of their own vaccine. but in fact, india has the production capacity. it has the skills and know how the problem there with bottlenecks on resources. so are you any more amenable to those arguments about lifting patent restrictions than you were back last time we spoke? yes, they should be that they the restrictions should be removed. because right now what we need to understand is we don't have much research on whether you know, the engine is maxine which is school acts in which it can be whether it can, you know, prevent, you know, that or you know, hospitalized ations. if you get the delta variant,

we only have research on fighter and after that being the axis which are, you know, or which can prevent death if you have 2 daughters of 2 axes. so it is essential that we have the to move the pattern restrictions on the waxing that work. and we can put them in india because the issue is that if you, if you try to bring something like pfizer in the content of india, which doesn't have that much good storage, hollywood storage. so, you know, if you remove the restriction, you can produce it according to its own convenience and you know, in its own we and i think that should be the case for most countries specially, you know, onto the africa where you know the operations you and get back to me just before the 2024. let me pose one question with a request for a one word answer to dr. card and to benjamin, given where we are today, must we acknowledge corona isn't going away and that it is time to simply focus our efforts on living with it and perhaps trying to mitigate establish dr. correct,

feel already living with in so many viruses and we will live in the future with corona. there's so many tools know we have to use. thank you very much and thanks to all of you for joining us for to the point to hope to see you soon. the news . the news. ah, the news. the news. news.

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