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i was able to finish matters to us me. that's why we listen to their stories reporter every weekend on d. w. hello and welcome to another edition of the 77 percent. this is the show for africa majority the youth like you and i, eddie micah, julia is the name and i'll be driving you through the program. this week, our focus is on art. let's check out what we have for you on the show. street the be takes us, we use e. m in germany to discuss what should happen is that offer some assets then we'll meet africa offices who are taking the well by stall with the interest 6
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. we'll find out how the bus themes against will be 19 meeting west. if you're ready, then let's dive right into it. i'm sure you've been wandering. why? there's been an ongoing discussion about for my colonizers, is heading africa stolen artifacts. countries across the continent are still struggling to get back. what originally belongs to them? now in kenya, the secret in god's the drum of the puma community on the countries coastline was stalling by british colonial office is more than a century ago. and is today still kept in london's british museum. it is just one of thousands of artifacts which are now captive museums abroad. the africans once back, the manually as him by returns every so often to the growth in shallow on the banks of kenya's. santa river belongs to the become
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a community. the grooves once house the common secret and got the drum which was stolen by british colonial officers. over 100 years ago. in the possible elder food had been kaji in a place like the succeeding secret, placing the forest in height, but not even small children could find their way. the drum or gadget was once reveal the comb with center of sovereign power. it determines their way of life. well, i am in without it, the grove is no longer sacred and the governing council to reach manuel belong has lost most of its authority. syncing gotcha was taken, we have been affected because i had no longer have elders like manually have vivid memories of the colonial period. but they were too young to
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have set eyes on the drum themselves after taking the gods from the port como. it was shipped abroad and kept his storage in london, british museums, the homeless king koran, youngest, the 7th, and the elders in his kingdom. i will read the drum will never return. then god is like a new muddy. and if i had the miss of westminster, the parliament in england, if i had miss lang some way and they using it as a footstool, what the british it would be sacrilegious to them. it's this isn't drum on savages, but it is a beautiful piece which is not all the music. matthew amuse. it has some fun to. why should you deny an object? its functions, like the many communities across the african continent,
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have been demanding for the return of the plunder, culturally fearing kenya's national museum and exhibition is taking place. the invisible inventory is questioning the results of the objects as ah, yes, like visual for like these empty boxes. because like when you go to a museum, you don't expect to see m to cases. the missing objects include items such as mass shield, smoking, pine cones, grade markers, drums, just like you know, the invisible inventory program recorded over 32000 mission plan was to create a database of canyon objects that are spread out across the cultural institutions across the world. because because can you know where the object sign,
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what they are, we decided to visualize every object as a shipping label. because for us, every object that left can was shipped out, right? and honestly, we've covered all the was, but this is only like 2000 in the british museum. one of the largest collections in the world of cultural artifacts, given the breath of its colonial empire. while other former colonial powers have already begun the process of returning lucas, after fact, written still dragging. they've always, you'd cross the laws against the movement of objects, which is really strange that you know, you take objects from people and then you create laws to prevent them going back. so now it's if, if the legal to the time what was illegal to take them right. tell minor a digital specialist was shocked by how much of the restitution debate and even the actual return of august takes place behind closed doors, chico,
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founded open restitution, africa, an online platform that puts together data on restitution and brings african traditional to the forefront of the debate especially when you look at technology by say we are saying that more people can access this information. more people who are not in expert circles, let's say academics, or even in museums and people who own to it and instagram and have nothing to do with museums or hate. it can actually access this information. and i think that's powerful in, in creating awareness that yes, there is material that has been taken to macaroni. the performance king recently got communication from the british museums that they would like to talk a huge step forward from when he 1st lost his initial request. 80 years ago, his community which numbers roughly 200000, live in one of the poorest regions of kenya. many no longer here to the old traditions and questioned the relevance of the drum today. macaroni remains adamant
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about it's important. it is really a very important center for our people, but in the museum, it's just an a momentous attraction. here it is bound into the life of all this. this is our property. if it is active, then it will be tends to a symbol not by for many hydro low food that remain tangent i, king mac, herani, and manually, as opposed to return to the old days will not be obvious. but sitting here under the lush mangle trees by the river, their hopeful site is distinct. identity will one day be resurrected an era to become a one problem. it's really about restoring
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a community identity, isn't it? now the invisible inventories exhibition you saw in the report is a collaboration between the national museum in kenya and 2 museums here in germany . how this takes us next to cologne's route and straus your museum. leaving reason, awareness about objects on upward star we're storing from africa and not all parts of the world doing colonial times. at the same time, the museum itself is in possession of many of these objects. now to delve deeper into this, michael lee christine wound to i went there to leave a very engaging debate. the hello everyone. these here are some of african most prized artifacts. they're called the beginning bronzes there, from the ancient kingdom of been in, which is today known as it'll state in southern nigeria. they were stolen by british soldiers in the colonial era, and sold to buy is in the west since then. they've been on display in museums in
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north america and in europe. now today's 3 debates coming to you from b ross and show us museum in the german city of cologne. that is because this museum is home to 94, been in bronze, but also germany fit to become the 1st country to begin returning the beginning bronzes to nigeria. and so, you know, i want to pick up with you because you're from been in city and state, you know, a thing or 2 about how to make a 1000000000 bronze. tell us what makes them so special. they are beyond arts. the core charge of the story of my people. so it's not just looking at t t s. piece of our culture of things we're taking to our language room. we're taking languages we have taken was tripped off of a cloth in of our way of life. right? so it is beyond the pain. i'm going to come to you now and the next it because you have been the museum director at this museum since 2019 the conversation of
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returning the bronze is, has been taking place for very long time. why do you think it's taken germany this long to finally say that it's going to return the bronze? as to niger, i would return the creation. why is germany at the ready to give back one of the most important african harry teaching european using that? i think because there is no emotional ling recently area, for example, do the relation between germany and the media because of the genocide for genocide in 2020 century is much more difficult. that's where i, for example, this moment, germany is ready to rescue acute debian in bronzes. and for example, the british museum in london is absolutely refusing even refusing the discussion about hope alone. i'm going to come see you now because then it's interesting, this idea of connection. that's why it may be harder or easier. why do you think
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it's taking germany this long to return these branches? i think had taken so much time because germany or even other european countries have a huge problem mostly in acknowledging the colonial history and the coding colonial past. and the color yellow of the museum as an institution itself. and was acknowledging that museums, institutions that actually produce racism or reproduce, reproduce racism in a way. i think this is something that has just, maybe, maybe started to or that people are even more demanding. right. and asking and demanding for institutions to consider that. and to think critically about their own history, right? i want to pose that question to you and say, how do you feel as somebody of you know, somebody who's got affiliations to the african continent. when you walk into museums and you see items that belong to africa, for example, that, you know, people on the continent went back. how does it make you feel that the thing is, it's an expression of power?
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it's the same expression as of power that it used to be 5068 hundreds a couple of 100 years ago. so this is why i think that's it needs to be brought back, not only because people need it over there, but because it here it actually does harm in giving the wrong image of african cultures or giving people still the possibility to dwell and to believe in these colonial ideas of possession and this of, and occupation of dominance. yeah. okay. so i'm going to come back to you and say, what function should the bending bronze is have when they are returned to niger, i saw one of the walks there and i could recognize the dow was taken from a shrine. so we always talking about museums and museums. some walks were broken off the dos of people's houses by the end of the museums. here you see a low pod there. what is low power to you? it means something to fit more than just an animal. i don't know if you are opens
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truly have a connection like a culture, a connection. so it's why we're talking about how we will keep our property if the house just give you back. jerry, i do want to come to you because you are historian. do you think that we will be able as a continent to preserve these artifacts when they are returned to us in a way that ensures that they will be there centuries to time. we can accuse the appearance of whatever we like, but they have kept these items. will we do the same in africa? we will, we still have been in bronzes, into 3 centuries. if those been in bronzes and other artifacts are returned to the country. absolutely, i mean they came from earth, so if you were able to preserve them percent for so many generations and puts him on for months in relation to the next until they were looted, why won't we not be able when we get them back to be able to do the same process, not only they may been in bronze, but most of the fact that i still in the museum, this is just a part of it. but the, so mark you've been here will be
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a standing on the seller. you know, the so much that is coming from the whole of the african continent and it just kept somewhere, you know, in paper is all, you know, wrapped somewhere. and then this history goes away. you know, we kind of have and then our colonial amnesia within the african continent of the teens that they took. and what actually that means for us as young african people that we have our histories lying somewhere invisible in duck sellers. i do have a question for you. yeah, it's germany going to returned every single been in bronze in exposition actually if use it is really this is the decision to nigeria to say ok, we want to have everything back. i would say are we? so we can into preach this paper, these documents on very different levels. my interpretation is now we have this paper and actually everything includes returned to nigeria. ok, and now i'm going to give you the last word now because it's just germany so far
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that made the commitment to return the bronze. it's true and number of countries, the brits which have the biggest collection, the british museum. they've not said anything about returning those funds is what is your message to countries that still hold onto these artifacts? if you'd already turn this walk, you're not taking away from mos, you're taking everything that makes us off. that's where you're taking and or that's what i've been taken before, right? return in the art, it's just one way of saying we did wrong. have this start to learn about your people. and that's, i think it's something that everybody can relate to. and that does it for today's st. debate, the german city of cologne. but the conversation really doesn't end here. of course, we're interested to know what you think about what we've discussed here today. is africa's stone or not? it's got to be safe when he just returned to the continent and perhaps, what is your message at 2 countries who have not quite taken the decision that
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germany is taken to return to africa? what's rightfully belongs to the continent. so for myself to see me under the team has been great having you with us looking forward at ceiling gauge meant in the coming section. bye for now. the thanks a lot, christine, for you very insightful discussion. while countries like germany and the us outcomes that are attending the bronzes, but will keep you in the loop on how fast things develop. now, if you want to watch a longer version of database, you can catch it on youtube channel. some of you already sent us your comments, let me just get to a couple of them. stop with on the my clang, who wrote, i stand against the return of the arts because it is now out dated. they should pay for all the stolen african objects financially. ok, interesting one that thank you very much for that. then donny, donnie wrote, we need to change the narrative. they taught us in history class that is and
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restore african heritage for future generations. so these i a couple of the comments we had keep got to be going on. you page. now we are not done talking about art. that school meets 3 artists from nigeria and kenya, whose art will blow your mind, especially if you're into science fiction. and the art of cyrus could be discarded. technology is given new life bands and radios become space, age communication device, wrapping your bicycle, called white mothers, or turn to the sculptures that could have been left here by alien civilization. the theories of eyeglasses called the sun. it's made famous, constructed from trash collected on his travels. there are mash up of different cultural traditions. to me after that is the future, like it's
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a combination of different culture. decent material from global it's how something new, clumsy, be more awesome, can move more asia know it's more awful. future in photographer osborne lataria reimagined kenya's. legendary mouth independence spiders as high tech optician who helped over fro colonial of kerry up apple. future them is about reimagining, an african pass, either stolen or forgotten all african countries about from tokyo or colonized and people didn't get to settle. see that history or see them in the history? or look about history was much documented on these rolling images to find the
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mostly negative view of africa seen in western media. we do have that issue, but our issues don't want to revolve around and pull the key from 9 disease. you know, the war. this tories that we can tell that sort of give a different perspectives. my whopping owners both to be confident the message will be a boy's perception of africa across the continent in nigeria. afa futurism is also taking root. a new generation of african artists is looking at their own culture from a new angle, comic book artist g mckindoe's credits, black panther aqua card before. no, i've been known to be for about the a 3rd world country. and then black panther bring seats to the 4th floor and i think was power that is completely loaded with technology. it was mind blowing. africans everywhere were wow,
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black panther might have brought half ro futurism to the mainstream. but my kinda believes the next weighs and storytelling will be home grow. when we talk about africa chosen, it's like come into the section of pop. i think technology tires the shows issue and african itala, gees, african traditions and african cultural. this culture in itala. geez. what are we attention from? yes, because we are connected with whether in comics, movies, music or design. the art of apple futurism combines tradition with imagination, provision, a brighter future for africa and the world the that's right. creating a bright future for africa. well,
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some cool stuff that the east and west combining to give us the best. but let's the in my area use lead creative hub on training center. in my degree is using modern technology ideas, exchange and doing our capital to unleash the potential of young nigeria and photographers and filmmakers. my degree, the federal capital of nigeria is born. i states, over the past 10 years, the fight against the terrorist group of bulk of rom, has repeatedly up ended people's lives. perhaps the most fertile ground, the young creative startups. and yet the city has a small emerging start help st. entrepreneurs like mohammed to see a huge potential and how much is the founder of the co development hub or cd hub in my glory? this is where he sees the future of the regions jobs in 2018, the hub is become a training center. a tech enthusiasts, a meeting points for creative young people and a lead for digital storytellers have done so many solution and innovation program
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