superpower will become dependent on in china's gateways. europe starts july, 1st on dw, the the was, ah, the w news live from berlin. pope's fate for more survivors after the collapse of an apartment building in florida. as a search continues, questions emerge over warning signs that seem to have been ignored for years. nearly either than 60 people are still missing. also coming up, britain health secretary steps down over an affair with

a colleague. hancock was pictured breaking his own corona virus, ruled by kissing an aide in his office. one canada, the prime minister, apologizes over hundreds of unmarked graves found at a former boarding school for indigenous children and calls on the pope to do the same. ah, me. i'm fairly welcome to the show. hopes are dwindling, that any more survivors will be found in the rubble of collapse. apartment complex in florida. now reports have emerged about an engineer warning of major structural damage to the building 3 years ago. so far, officials have confirmed for deaths, but nearly 160 people are still unaccounted for. a makeshift memorial

has sprung up in the sub, at the side to the scores of people engulfed in the rubble of the collapse department block. search and rescue teams. working around the clock, probing the way agonizingly slowly through the shifting mountain of debris. the fire, burning deep beneath the rubble is complicating f. it's all far as he didn't neatly routed onto the structure. so you've seen it in and out and unfortunately we haven't flare up so that and it's, it's not accessible. so those, those are difficulties. that's another challenge that we're encountering and, and you know, we're constantly going in aggressively trying to get as close as we can to, to extinguish that fire, open a fortune we haven't been able to get that extend was $100.00 per 2nd. but rescuers and the people of surf side refuse to give up hope full speed ahead on search and rescue. and you ask, why do we have hope? we have hope because that's what our search and rescue team tells us. that they

have hope through and as long as they can do that. and as long as they have encouraging signs, like the knocking sound that they've heard, then we will continue volunteers at the safe side community center, giving what help they can to survivors as the tense wait for news of loved ones continues. people are starting to demand answers. surfside council has revealed that an engineering report in 2018 had detailed structural failures in the building . but the building managers were still shaping plans for a repair project that was set to get underway. quote soon. for those trapped under the rubble, it was not soon enough. while joining us now on the phone as audra as is in many, he's the director of the florida international university school of construction. we can't see him right now, but he is actually standing next to this collapse. building in miami doctor is using the meaning, i'm going to start with what is perhaps the most obvious question. how could

something like this happen? this is the one of those, you know, accident that happens. we do not know exactly what the cause or cause of this is a day number 3. so morning formation is becoming available. but it's gonna take probably a month, maybe. yes. to put the pieces together. so identify the main cause or cause at this point, you know, the information becoming available by all probably what the investigators onset then picking all those into our accounts. but you said it right now it's, it's pretty much what to say that the, exactly what the cause of cause. we heard in the report just now that engineers raised concerns about major structural damages on the building years ago. does that mean in your opinion, that the collapse could have been prevented? that's one piece of information that has become available. i have not read that

reports. very detailed. i have been part of it. so that particular reports, the part of the diagram was related to the swimming pool bus. i do not know exactly where the swimming pool is located with respect to the buildings. again, that's just a one piece of information. there are some other pieces of information that the study was conducted. few years ago. the gong, the, they're selling, the city that has been before the very heavy construction material stored at the roof of the building. that has the reports that, that i've been, that have been engineers have reported that the cracking in the basement so on. so these are all different factors that you have to take a look at it. of course they can contribute, but you cannot at this point say,

any one of them where the main reason for, for this class was altered as is you know, me, he's the director of the florida international university school of construction, speaking to us earlier to the u. k now, where the health minister has resigned over an affair with a colleague mat hancock admitted breaking his own coat with 19 rules by kissing and embracing an aide in his office, the candle and arranged fellow government ministers and angered millions of britain to enjoy months of locked down at the height of the hancock has made regular appearances on television, telling people they must stick to the woods. and charlotte chelsea bill is in london following the story for us. charlotte, just yesterday, prime minister boris johnson refused to fire hancock, saying the matter was closed for him. so why did hancock and got and resigning?

why the prime minister saying he accepted the health minister apology and the matter was closed, the case is closed. that is what he said yesterday, the faxes though this story was not going away. there was a huge amount of public actions. public anger rather the actions of the health minutes day. it's not just the sensation of the fire. indeed, the health minister, my hand call guns, the woman who he is pictured in a clinch is it being cool with both were married is not the humiliation of the fact that the health minutes broke social distance thing guidelines, guidelines, which he himself had been a rule he made rules that he was preaching on television for a month month. i have then broke those variables south and those who have not seen loved ones not gotten close to loved ones over the last month was incredibly angry . and the fact is, of course, that if you have

a health minister who is making guidelines, it's a crucial time during the global pandemic. he needs to be trusted by the public. and it appears that don simply had been eroded. but of course, this wasn't the scandal to set the health minister in a sense this really was the final straw situation. for many he had been accused and making a number of the very serious missteps throughout the course of the pandemic. tweets when leaks as well, allegedly showing the prime minister himself accusing the health minister of not being competent. so this very clearly approving that to his, his role was no longer tenable. after stepping down, he explained his decision to britons and a video message on twitter. we'll get back to you in a 2nd, charlotte, but 1st let's listen to what he had to say. i understand the enormous sacrifices that everybody in this country has made that you have made. and those of us who

make these rules have got to stick by them. and that's why i've got to resign a very apologetic math hancock there at charlotte, former finance minister saheed and janet is now in charge of health. it's a difficult task at a difficult time, especially with the u. k. being a new surge of infections with the aggressive delta variant of the virus isn't. it isn't indeed now with the appointment of such a job that he is very experienced, a politician in government, you mentioned that he was from the finance minister with former interior minister as well. so for the some he will be considered a safe per pound. but there's no getting around the fact that this is probably one of the biggest jobs in government at the moment. hearing the global pandemic, you really do need someone with experience. despite that though, he will have to catch up very quickly on this enormous portfolio that he is taking

on. as you say, this pandemic here in the u. k. fall from over cases are rising with the delta variance, so he will be off to to really have to step up to the plate to charlotte nelson fil, always a pleasure. thank you very much. canada's prime minister has apologized over the discovery of hundreds of unmarked graves at a former boarding school for indigenous children. justin trudeau says, canadians are horrified by their governments decades long policy of forcing indigenous boys and girls and to church run schools. he's now asking po frances to come to canada to say, sorry for the abuse they suffered their field of pink flags, all mocking the place where a gravestone should be carol, who remembers being subjected to abuse at the merry val boarding school, was one of the luckier attendees, i feel like i want,

i feel like that that they couldn't take the indian out to me. the, i feel that, that i lost nothing but my language. but i could gain that back, didn't take everything they thought they were going to take from me. they didn't take it, i still have it here. carol was one of the 150000 indigenous children false to attend. christian schools in the name of assimilation. discouraged everything of our own culture of our own people. they didn't want us to practice our own. our own spiritual activity. discouraged, go or discouraged our son dancing. they discouraged their b thing. physical and sexual abuse were ramp and in the schools with thousands of children died. the cause was not recorded and more than half of the known deaths, the secrecy has cause trauma for many, only to be triggered again by the discovery of marybell's unmarked graves.

uncovered with radar mapping. the sides, i believe, to have once been marked with gravestones that were later removed. removing headstones is a crime in this country. and we are treating this like a crime scene at the moment. canada's prime minister apologized on behalf of the government after the discovery and called on the same from religious bodies. i have spoken personally, directly with his holiness po friend, says to impress upon him how important it is. just that he makes an apology, but that he makes an apology to indigenous canadians on on canadian soil, the marybell excavations were launched after $215.00 school children's remains were found at a similar school back in may. the discoveries have encouraged 1st nations people to continue their search for more graves and full sports now and formula one lack

1st up, and is perfectly place to deliver a 4th straight victory for his red bull team after taking pole position at the syrian ground. free in austria, the dutchman was the fastest in qualifying finishing ahead of mercedes louis hamilton, whose crown is showing signs of flipping after years of dominance. in the austrian alps a place called spielberg off at an epic view, a formula, one's new landscape, not to 4 consecutive years. the hamilton pilot, mercedes domination 2021 sees a new era where young dutchman macs by step and is the pe sit in front of qualifying and look for once like the pressure was showing on hamilton over shot, he recovered to post a competitive time, but after last week's technical fail in france, the mercedes brains trustees under the microscope and dealing with a 3 place penalty. and dr. adultery bought her dangerously, spun his car in friday. prank grace goes out. the video killed the fin, a new frustrated team, radio stuff for stephens part depole was

smoother and of course quicker the 23 year old corner and straight line speed. once again, the cut above the side, each red bull mechanics celebrated as louis hamilton struggled to put his new predicament into words. i don't know, i just didn't have a really good quote on the call. so great the 3 and just through the same quote, qualify and some kind of baffled by that on a home to read full, i will place to make it 4 winds from the last 4 from pre next step and the man to catch again on sunday. and let's catch you up to date of the latest. the euro 2020 denmark has become the 1st team to make it to the quarter finals of the competition . after beating wales and the round of 16 striker cast adult vac scored either side of half time to set up the victory before the danes added to war late in the game

to steal a commanding for mil victory. they will now face the winner of italy and austria, and the last 8 and that match is still underway. it's currently in over time. are watching the w news. next stuff is our digital technology show shift the time we need some startup founder's aiming to use bitcoin to help people without bank account for me and the entire team here in berlin. thank you so much for your company, who's the and above all how it feels. jewish life in europe. that's what film producer and journalist is good minded, are exploring,

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mm corina or the current open source to the people that were not involved in financial actions. there are a lot of, i'm bank people, people that then have no access to services that we would take for granted. like insurance, saving money, borrowing money, just planning a had further than the day that they live because they only have money for that they. they are living actively the me

i bought the i did the lacrosse, and the app that i need to bring me and get them on that already. it's nothing that i'm putting and then we'll move them around within them. fair that 1000 and put me on a 1000 pool, 2 months to pay for your own pain, gained them and imposing them up by the end, and then i learned i learned apartments in as i've been alone when i need to. i don't, i don't need, i need to see them. i was going to be begun calling them on the on the so i mean when i gave them guys nothing.

my last the just have been they've been and i thought that about bullshit. i believe maybe get maybe going up. well, you know, mr. young, tell me you know, there are a lot of over work from the philippines going to other countries because they can earn more there than they couldn't phillips. so even though their salary compared

to the global standards is really low, even overseas, they can send us back to the philippines. the uses that they pay really high fee just to remit the money to their families at home. where the currency comes in long term technology becomes in already is that they can send back the money with crypt occurring. their family can change it in pawn shop where they, where they live and the fees are so much lower. and that is something that is already happening today and that is just going to develop and improve. i believe the average amount that the filipino sent home is $200.00. there be $20.00 out of

that to get that money for their family. is really a decentralized financial system. doesn't need a government, it doesn't have central authority. it's inter operable. it's global, it's borderless. basically it's an option for people who are excluded from the existing system where people could send money from anywhere in the worlds in the philippines using different. yeah, so a normal overseas for the worker wouldn't know how to use going and you know, that was one of the 1st challenges we have and what we did was we partnered with

similar services based in canada or south korea or hong kong or singapore. and what they did was they provided the 1st mile for communities that have been a communities that have been overseas workers. they would just basically advertise a cheaper, faster way to send money to the philippines, making the bit going by invisible. so using bit by and as a platform, we were able to provide a service where you could just easily sign up, make an account, put in the amount you want to put in, put in the pick up option delivery option. and then i choose the pawn shop and it's done like i've sent money basically $20.00 from anywhere in the world through the philippines. and i can go

downstairs from the font shops, pick it up soon. if i get this text message or email, then if it had been, there's 50000000 people younger than the 24 envelope. and they are tech savvy. they're not afraid of technology. they're not afraid of the initial world. they kind of don't trust a bank. it's kind of like brewing. you know, like we say like a perfect storm for this kind of technology that they hold the point was, and it's being used for fraudulent activity. for sake investment scheme, for ponzi schemes, and just for gans because it was easy for the people,

there was the height, there is excitement, not a lot of knowledge, but hope of being put into it. so it doesn't only attract good people would attract bad people as well. that then can make a lot of money out of that. that is not, you know, that is just a very small part of the space that doesn't reflect this, this technology and what this technology can do. the way that doctors works, as opposed to a centralized system, is that the information data and control is not in the hand of a centralized entity, but is distributed and called the knows all over the world. ah, the nodes are handled independently and anybody that has enough

computing cars theory could run a node, meaning anybody could take part in the process of verifying transactions, the building block chain. oh, this is where the big difference. nice because the par and the control is given back to the people. i guess the plastic bank has launched a block chain based banking application for the poor, an opportunity to use plastic as money, individual collectors that would otherwise sell to a middle man who then sells to another middle man and remove the middleman. and then we transport directly from the hands of the collector to the recycler, all of the extra value that was going to all those middleman are now shared amongst the collector. the

there's a powerful roadmap ahead of the plastic bank in the application, including financial inclusion, credit rating that service. and the app in this community is used not just to register the collector, not just to give a sense of identity, but to give a transaction history. to give the collector an opportunity to have authentic value exchanged into their account. it allows her to have a savings account. it allows her to be free of cash. how powerful to look into a bank account now and see that you actually have value.

our mobile phone veneration is over 100 percent of the fastest growing in the world. instead of making the people go to the bank, let's just put banking into their hands of the banks that we need to, to bank by putting the bank in the smartphone. it's so much more accessible. want everybody to, to benefit. and by connecting our app to the existing systems, you know, it makes it, it makes that transition easier. it makes people adopting the technology or using these kinds of apps. you know, not that scary. and eventually the goal would be like, you know,

if the apps are really useful and if they work, then you don't need to convince people. think you're working, you're doing the pioneer work there. because you're may be struggling with the image that locked into the currency is this is rep is kind of thing that endangers traditional business. so are you doing by working together sort of working again? i think you're doing very important i believe block chain technology will fundamentally change the way our society works in the long run. it will enable new processes. we can't think of right now, but the option is there. what i can do is i can include people that can narrow down the gap between rich and poor.

i entered the conflict with sebastian. libya has a new government of national unity which promises free election by the end of this year. when the road blocks it faces our alms militia group, so whole power throughout the country, i guess this week as tommy in the bio libby as an last to the un in geneva, how will this new government succeed conflict? the italy tackle the rural exit is offering. how does for one year own sicily? ah, for free living for 2 years in company offers the newer new residence from over the world. that's how italy plans to secure the future of this

country. living for beginners. ah. oh, what matters to us in that's why we listen to their stories reporter every weekend or on d w. i. there's more freedom of speech today in libya that ever was in the history of libya. it's in human treatment, it's barbarity with the buyer. we have to give the government a chance. libya has a new got national unity which promises free elections by the end of this year. but the road blocks at faces are immense armed militia groups still hold power throughout the country. they still kill and kidnap with impunity. my guess this

week is tommy vile libby as ambassadors of the un in geneva from where he joins me . how will this new government succeed, where all the others have failed? the coming by are welcome to conflict zone. thank you. thank you for your 3 days off the new government of national unity was sworn in. there was a shocking reminder of how little unity there is in your country. up to 15 bodies were found handcuffed and done to the cement factory in the eastern city of bang ghazi, while life remain so cheap and murder is enjoy almost total impunity in your country, there's nothing much to celebrate with this. new government is there. well, that's not necessarily accurate because we don't, 1st of all, we don't know when this crime took place. secondly, as you know,

during transition periods, things tend to be take a little bit of time to, to, to come to a more stable environment where you're not suggesting to me that there are daily killings and discoveries of mass graves. if these killings go on. this government will fail, like all the others wanted. that's the point. absolutely. and therefore it's extremely important for the international community, the united nations and all the mechanisms of the international organizations to come together and help the current government in every way possible. it's matter of fact here in geneva, you checked into this, you would know that we have passed a resolution that the 43rd session of human rights council. calling for a mechanism of accountability, calling for the ability to hold this impunity of crimes committed to human rights violations committed. and so we were seeking the help of the international community, united nations, with all the various organizations to step in and help us be able to put impunity

at a stop when you have a show much interest in doing that. in the past with previous governments have you . this was just the latest of many mass killings which i was talking about by the dozens of militia groups that fight daily for control of your country. and unless your government never mind the international community, but unless your government comes to grips with these groups, the new government is going to be just as part of all the others, isn't it? well, again, we have to give the government a chance and let's keep in mind that the government has not even been in office for 30 days just yet, and there's a lot of work. hence, there is a tall order of tasks that need to be taken care of, including security and stability. but also keeping in mind that the role of the international community is extremely important partnership that would be as bar. com with the international community through the united nations is extremely

important for the security instability in libya and the success of any government. so, and it's important for the international community to do as part, let's not forget that we just came out of approximate. yes, i mean, you can turn it over to the international community as much as you like, but it's got to be done on the ground. and this is a government and it's a weak government, and it's going to be very difficult for it to gain control of those armed groups that have been allowed to capture so much of your state over previous years. and it doesn't look from what i've told me the baby has said, your interim prime minister, that he has very much of a strong commitment to either justice or, or accountability. does it? well, you seem to be judging the government before it even has a chance to be able to do it by what it said, or what it hasn't said so far. less less judged by what has taken place of the few weeks. but it has been the novels. let's look at the efforts that have already been

done to re applied institutions. let's look at the efforts that have been done and to civilizing the security situation, the country through the joint military commission, which let's keep in mind again. they ended a war in libya last, you know, just a few months ago we would not be talking it's a sci fi and it's a shaky c 5. so it's a bit premature to talk about the end of the war, isn't it? it's not a, a solid cease fire. i agree, but it is. nonetheless, there's sees fire stop hostilities and there is a chance for peace today. so let's embark on supporting this transfer piece. we've seen that there are, there are 2 major advantages in the debate government for the militia groups. firstly, he's weak and secondly, for the time being he has the keys to the face. so it's in their interest to do

business with him, but for how long they want to chance to get bands on money. and i see that he's already promised local government a flurry of construction project in various regions as long as he continues buying off these groups. now go along with him. if he starts getting tough with them, they'll get rid of him when they well, again, you know, you can, you can put these questions to the prime minister and know what his plans are. but let's keep in mind that when we have a proxy war. ready countries that were involved supported some of these armed groups in libya, which caused much of the of the destruction and disarray that we have been in. number 2, keeping in mind that we have been calling for our program. is this our program? keeping in mind d. b, what d d basically basically taking these young men out, these are group malicious environments and turning them into

a more constructive positive element society. this is going to take a long time, isn't this is more so if we were to short term measure, this is only a government that runs for 8 months. that's, that's not forget, that's an interim government, isn't it? absolutely. so let's not hold the government so accountable for resolving everything with a magic wand. so we have to we can hold it accountable for certain things. and in particular, for the very corruption it should be promising to fight. because even before the, there were documented attempts by the baby supporters to bribe delegates to support . and that's pretty outrageous behaviors and then well those, those are allegations and that's what made by the un made by the un. so they're not based on nothing of it. well the u. n is the same, is the same entity that supported the dialogue and supported the coming of the government into law. so they did the support the,

the baby supporters who were trying to bribe delegates to vote for him. did they know in support that, that well again, these are allegations and has not been proven the really sort and nothing has been stated by the un to that effect. well, the, you an inquiry said the pm supporters of bribes, those i as $200000.00 to induce people to vote for him un report was quite specific . it said at least 3 such bribes were offered, although all of them are apparently turned down. well, again, let's ask the wind about that and why the support comes up and, and having the paper government come into into office. let's keep in mind again, it's a new government. it's a very well representative of the entire libya managed to brain the entire country together. this is the 1st time that we have one government, one legitimate, recognized internationally and nationally. and given the trust by the h o r,

which has not been able to do so for previous governments now, how the representatives that is correct as representatives. so we, we are seeing some positive steps from the right direction. the fisher is not rosie . we have a lot of work. we have a lot of things that we need to address. it is not something that's going to happen overnight and we need to build on the positive blocks that we have measured and been able to accomplish so far. you say that one of the worst aspects of these bribery allegations is that the baby was interim office. describe the claims as fake news when they clearly went fake at all. and that doesn't say much for the level of honesty or transparency that he says he's going to adhere to. does it is his response to these allegations suggest that his government is going to be as dishonest as all the others have been? doesn't it? well, i'll be happy to connect you with his spokesman and he can address these concerns for you. mister the baby is reputation is pretty check. it isn't that he prospered

mightily during the dictatorship of mammography. he ended up running the limit investment and development, holding company, which itself was room to have been involved in corruption and money laundering. why should people trust him now, especially at this critical time? let's, let's, let's talk about looking at here because you're operating on, on allegations. again, one particular individual who can address these allegations and sell occasions of the company. the company in particular that he does, he brand your faculty as the live representative, the united nations. let's talk about what positive things that we've been able to do. let's talk about the resolution that was passed in the rights council for accountability for human rights violations and the mass grades and the price that is and libya. let's talk about the resolution that has been passed for repair termination of elicit funds that are rights rights we owned by the state of libya.

let's talk about the initiative that was supported piece initiative that was supported here in geneva, which led to the signing of the of the piece agreement and the cease fire in libya . a lot of positive things that we need to focus on. and we need to build on these, this is a direction that we need to go. want to get a chance to have a chance at peach. let's not forget things in perspective. and this should be the benchmark. why libya for is young of a country that has this come out of the nation has been and military dictatorship rule for over for decades. then it had a revolutionary physician periods where meddling a foreign countries and so the parents live capture and state captured by the armed militia groups that were against close to paul. i'm still in power. you talk about

passing resolutions, passing resolution doesn't change. the fact that you have indicted war criminals promoted to powerful positions in your country and, and they're still there. and there are plenty of examples of the month that i'm too gone the quickly also known as guinea. we're now head of a new entity called the stability support authority. he reports directly to the presidency. human rights groups have documented war crimes and serious rights violations by his forces for more than 10 years. for europe un reported these troops have previously opened far on civilians. none of that prevented his appointment. and is appointment is still in place. how is your country? can you tell me this? how is your country to move forward when these people who are suspected of serious war crimes are in these enormous positions of responsibility? well, i suspect, you know, i'm not here to be

a court to judge on all these individuals. i'm here to be able to unify the international communities, possession of the libya situation, and we need to address many issues, some of which are the ones you mentioned, but we also have to address and that's on the international scope, the interventions and the interference of other countries in the affairs and internal affairs of libya. if we work on that as far as i'm concerned from my position here, geneva, that is a major. yes, we need to work on a lot of runs, but this is where we need to focus on. we need to work on to unify the international positions on the we've talked a little bit about accountability and justice, amnesty international described in a report to month ago, the justice system in libya as dysfunctional and ineffective judges and prosecutors, it said risk assassination. and abduction for doing their jobs. isn't it

a fact then virtually every check and balance every restraint on illegal power and criminal activity has not been removed in libya, hasn't it? how do you put all that back together again? well it's, it's processing, it's a complicated process and it requires a lot of work and we recognize that we do know that we have problems. we do know that we have major issues that we need to deal with. but we need to help with the international people do that. and how do we do that? we do that by stopping intervention and meddling into the general affairs of libya . we stop the, the imputed violations and the security council resolutions and the violations of arms embargo by many states support. some of these factions, talking about how we do that by helping control the orders of, of libya and lydia has been calling for, for a long time. the support of common share orders with our neighbors as well as the

our partners, the are partners and to come in to help them to get to do that through the you bad agreements when we need to activate all those things. we can, it's a domino effect, a multiply mr by this government is only designed to last until december, the 24th. that's the date when libyans are supposed to freely elect the next administration that's on the 8 month way. what chance does this week government have of organizing those free elections with the massive human rights abuses that are taking place in your country day after day? well that, that is correct and they recognize that they recognize what their gender is. but it's, it's a process, it's building, building blocks process. we have to start somewhere. we can realistic process. so it isn't, you know, you have the us special envoy for libya, young cooper's telling the security council last month that his office continues to document. and how rhetoric catalog of brutality in your country killings enforce

disappearances, sexual violence, including right, attacks against activists and human rights defenders and hate crimes. the international responsibility international communities are responsible for that. the meddling that you've talked about isn't responsible for that. that's coming from people your own people inside your own country, isn't it? you think that sets the right conditions for free and fair election and libya and just on the 8 months time. well, again, it's a building process. we have a major success going forward in the right direction, positive direction. all these issues must be addressed. international community does have a role in this. as a matter of fact, as i stated earlier, the international community and some of the countries that have metal into the internal affairs or the primary cause for some of these things that you're talking about. when need to be able to make a stop to that, make sure that we get a chance to address the concerns it's problems. we do know that we are going to

take how long, how long you want to chance for when you had a government of national court before that didn't do it. it was a government of appeasement. you know, it's prioritized paying off the groups and appeasing the groups over justice. is this government going to make the same mistake? the last one did, let's, let's be there and let's be looking bens right. that what you just said could be said about countries who paying off our group. so libya, what been causing much of these problems that you're talking about? we need to be able to address issues as they are. so let's, let's, let's control the situation where libyans can handle the process of journaling and then we can judge and hold accountable. but government and what it can do and cannot do. well,

i want to match the situation in the country to the prime ministers. rhetoric, if that's indeed possible, the new prime minister is on record, for instance, is i he wants to spread a culture of freedom, of opinion and expression. how exactly will he do that when journalists have to work in constant fear in your country? the right group report is without borders says, for instance, that the total of abuses against john this the media outlets. biology groups associated with successive libyan governance has grown steadily. we're talking mother with abduction, we're talking torture here. you keep focusing on the crimes and we recognize those crimes. and we do understand that there were there 2, quite big ones that made pretty important ones on the board there. that's why and that is going through a transition. that's why we need to get out of this violence violence phase and be able to get into the restoration of a country institutions, the able to set into their civilian democratic states and be able to give the human

rights to the libyan people. keeping in mind, again, this is the benchmark that we stablish early on in the conversation. that this is a new culture that we have to go into that we are not so well experienced about. we do need the help to be able to accomplish that. and the will, is there, the, the, the, the goals and the object has happened, sets every 17th, 2011, and wanting to, to set up a democratic state that is based on freedoms. that's based on justice. that's based on the ability to prosper and do well and the current, the great woods. but how do you get that? how do you get that? and you have these enormous roadblocks in your past and you get there. you're not without a free press, you don't have a basis for the moxie. you don't have a free press. the law in libya guaranteeing the public's right of access to information. is that what one of the chances they'll ever be one in libya will you

know what's in there are more tv stations in libya today than ever were before. you know what the people are talking about wanting to set up freedom of speech in libya . not only that, there is more freedom of speech today in libya that ever was in the history of libya. not really. we do. reporters without borders says libya has reached its lowest ever position in the groups while press index. once 164 out of 180 countries that's worse than during the good duffy era, that's a huge step backwards, isn't it? well, again, i don't know what information they're basing their, their reports on, but we do, do we do need to recognize that there is more of a chance to be able to set up a civil say set up on democratic values on freedoms and justice today than we

ever had a possibility to be able to do so in the past history of libya. and we need to be able to capitalize in that. we need to be able to support that. we need to be able to work on that. and we recognize that the order is but there is the will, and there is a commitment to want to go down the staff. and we need to get the commitment by all libyans and others. the international community included to support that. even before libyans get to the december elections, this government is committed to holding a referendum on a new constitution. again, how you doing form the public without a free press is, is up to you. but what if you miss the deadlines? what if you miss the deadline? for this new constitution and the new elections, it's pretty tight, isn't it? c stock greg unravel if you don't get there. it is very tight and you know the possibility of missing the deadline as possible. as a matter of fact, she did, nation has, has missed many deadlines in the past,

in the process of coming to this point. so we do need to work. the commitment again is there, the will is there, and the efforts are underway. keeping in mind the, the process has already been established with some other deadlines. there's a july 1st deadline to agreement on a constitutional basis to passing a legislation to ensure the elections law and the preparations for the highly thorough commission to do its work to allow for the 24th of december elections. there was also another very important deadline. there's a deadline that we have already passed, the international community has passed, the united nation has passed the exit of all 4 fighters and mercenaries out of libya. that has yet to happen. that is a stream, the important because stability and security again to your point is extremely important to be able to do these of actions in a stable and secure environment with the bi away had

a lot of brand rhetoric from the prime minister about libyans being one unit one hot, that hot hasn't been much in evidence these last few years, has it look at the shocking way migrants have been treated in your country in the last 2 months. hundreds of them have been intercepted, trying to freely been small boats and had for europe. do you know why they're so desperate to leave libya and, you know, what happens to them when they're brought back to libya, these migrants, many of them do you know that? yes, i do as a matter of fact and but let me correct you what you're saying is not accurate. number one, these microphones, when they left their towers in the villages, from the various countries in africa, they set their mind and going to the northern shores of the mediterranean. they were not coming to libya, libby, as a transient country, everybody knows that the same reports that you refer to you and reports. everybody knows that, but also you can and yet you, in libya,

they continue to be systematically subject to arbitrary detention and torture. in both official and unofficial places of detention you proud of that? no, not proud. we do have problems and looking government has recognized and continues to recognize the violations of the problems that we have. a micro libyan government has been associated with these violations has been directly associated with these violations. the terms, let me, let me just finish this point. it's extremely important. what you're referring to constitutes a crimes or alleged crimes on a population of about 4000 makers in detention centers or with gathering and do for and departure facilities in human human. what treatment parity risk. it's in human treatment. we're talking about sexual violence, abduction for ransom. extortion, forced labor, unlawful killings. it doesn't matter whether it's 4000 or 4000000. why,

why are you? what does it say about your people that you are treating migrants in this way? that is not correct to your information is not fully accurate. you're reporting half of the information that has been out there. let me also repeat to you as i was stating the legit crimes you're talking about which the libyan government has been dealing with and continues to work with you with, with the various un organizations is concerning some facilities where there is no more than or $5000.00 at the most of migrants that happens to be in the facilities because they're supposed to. and you and organizations also know that these are migrants are supposed to be listed to another country. but the rest of the, of the miners that we have, and we have about a 1000000 in libya, lives really and safely among all libyans throughout libya. all right,

coming by. we've run out of time. thank you. thank you for making that point and thank you very much for your time on come to me. the news

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