people like some of these people empower like being in the spotlight like being in front of the cameras and being able to present themselves and make a case to that own supporters. we were miss. this is the 1st opportunity i've been given after 7 months here to address the public. i mean, you can see though, the americans go all the way to the other side of the globe to fight terrorism. proactive mechanised in a case in point we're going to stop right to the other side of the world. and that is considered logical and normal, you know, money. but the struggle against terrorism in the heart of one's own country, reason in one's own home is one's own nation, which is considered a crime smarter a lot. you know, it's really interesting, these process is because of course, even though he's, he's the, the,

the mastermind of everything that happened. but yet there are 2 aspects of respecting of human rights, the right to defend yourself and so on. and i just felt that the whole process, unfortunately, again, it gave him some power in terms of even again, how he treated the victims there when he was questioning them. now what did you say that you took your family to a shelter underneath the staircase that had been prepared previously? but i mean, because i simply now when did you prepare the shelter? you mentioned in your statement look sent to school our menu, then stay him. i didn't say that when you went to replace the shelter, we stayed in our home call. we made a shelter under the stairs, in our home, at the park. us typically,

but i mean when did you prepare the shelter that you mentioned in your statement such minutes going farther than me. i will tell you what kind of shelter i had, what my son he lear took a carpet from the room and spread it out because he was a child and was frightened. so you thought it would be safer under the staircase then johnson scott does like his money. you nice job show told me that i didn't understand you to be talking about. it was because you wrote the word shelter with mrs. hardy. she said that you're an intellectual, as was your husband, us, are you aware of the citizens of kosovo into the war and the tragic events that followed as an advocate he was because he couldn't resist the temptation to cross examine every one. the effect of all that was terrible on him because it showed him to be actually quite

a nasty person. me move in 5000 witnesses, testified before the war. crimes tribunal among them were politicians, soldiers, and foreign service. the vast majority with those who survived violence during the war, victims of rape, torture, and genocide. i choose to do the liberty only sent the eastern into g. when i go to the memorial now, as soon as my feet feel like someone else's feet, my legs no longer carry me,

burying your own children, it's something that destroys you. your settled eyes is also duty. sylvie, everything dies lazarus region. how she didn't know. they contacted me from the hague tribunal, the same this year that they asked if i would agree to testify. and i said, yes, i didn't hesitate. but if i had nothing else to lose in my life, so i wanted at least to be helpful to others. in that role, i solemnly declare that i will state the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. no, this is a dealer because i'm sure the chip. i was surprised when i got in the courtroom and i saw that everything had been photographed for every stone from public chat, a threatening supposed beetle. i asked the prosecutor, why are you inviting us to the hague tribunal? if you already know everything, he explained,

they could all be fake photographs with them. so without witnesses, there was no vetted name, a breast to be honest, he feels a bit like a tree. it's really important to have that acknowledgment of what you've suffered. it's quite an empowering experience. you house perpetrates right there, and they have to sit there and after listen, you know, they can get up and shoot you because you're you know, speaking about what they've done the we also decided to testify in belgrade. it was not very long after the war ended. i just

remember really being anxious all the time. people who were in the garden who are still walking free. you know, you have an idea in your mind that when you have that experience causes something like that goes to icons against the ones who did it. and the ones who gave orders to do it and you know, the ones who started this whole thing. but i can't say about every single person that lives in this country. but for me was really striking, is the reaction of families for traits. family were all there, some right behind him and you know, let alone that he didn't show any remorse. i was stunned to see the reaction of the family they, i mean they were there for 2 hours listening of every details if you could give

of what happened on that day. and yet they felt that it was unfair that he was being tried for it. it was really hard for me to even kind of compress the whole that whole reaction the way i started beating detainees, it said a 3rd or 4th person i head fell on the floor later, died in the infirmary of the cask. in the middle of that you're not even if i knew it somewhere deep down. yes i did. but i didn't want to believe in that. i do it's. i was soldiers doing things for my country for my

vehicle. i was not wrong. my shot was not wrong. we did the right thing. this is what can you remind yourself me? many of the accused did not recognize the hague tribunal all their guilt. even though it could have reduced their sentences just 20 of the $161.00 accused pled guilty. ah, both me and the politician piano club ships pled guilty to one of the charges against her in return, the others were dropped really enough in the un war crimes tribunal on wednesday. she's accused of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. georgia has just gotten them. the trials lasted for years, though. sure. they told me i could get

a life sentence. yes, someone should. once i entered the court room with my blood pressure at 220 because some more ago for my lawyer said vienna, there's only one solution of or she will not be guilty this prison. i could do it national co boss for a to some bill. and now our leadership of which i was apart and lead an effort which victimized countless innocent people, navy menu, a bad time, i easily convinced myself it was a matter of survival and stuff to send you some of the menu. neither shall i go to spread the most important thing for me as a clear conscience or to leave the do you believe me? little i sleep very well. try chamber has to pass centers. on

72, we are a former president for her participation in a crime with the utmost gravity on the other hand, very significant mitigating circumstances. in particular, the guilty plea of the accused let the accused of having given way to the fact to set the trial was sentences you to a period of 11 years imprisonment. all this and yet the major, not a name stick to the hague tribunal. not an international institution attacked the entire serv nation crush. ah, this is sort of beyond i'm not saying the serbs were. angels could read those,

but you just have to look at the distribution on my floor of the prison. this is sort of deval set of our top 10 serves as you crow at. and one muslim mission i found very amusing or the you said, i'm just here to make up the muslim quota. not a trace of justice need to rule. well, the navy to any. it's true that most of the accused war service context that's due to the context of the conflict to do it after the dissolution of yugoslavia. but the federal army was dissolved the modem, the headquarters were in belgrade and serbian hands. so this federal army became

a serbian army, so that on your mind is of course they had plenty of weapons ship to those in the bosnian army was formed on the go and barely had any weapon that the government is the same. was true for the croats and supposed to go to the court about the i spoke to do what was in. that's why the serbs committed more crimes tolben. of course that doesn't mean serbs are criminal people. that's just how the situation was at the time. that will be the 4 years after it started, the trial of floor bought in milosevic was still unfinished. hearings were often delayed as milosevic has helped deteriorated. on the 11th of march,

2006 milosevic was found dead in his prison. so of a heart attack. the chamber has been advised of the death of the accused, slow but on the last of which we express or regret at his passing. we also regret that he's on timely debt has deprived not only him, but indeed all interested parties of a judgement upon the allegations in the indictment. i was very sure that he would be convicted. what happened in the end?

it's for me, very disappointing. but also what really bothers me is this rhetoric of people within serbia say no, he didn't commit any credit because he was never convicted for well, milosevic was mooned in belgrade. b i c t wise most wanted fugitive hiding in serbia. that of on carriage and that commodity were charged with war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide in the bosnian war. but many still regarded them as heroes. ah, so early generally into tells and aid of each day 2 years before it was obvious that the main frustration, if any, say, was college and not each are still out there. you know people, i college and not even today,

you will find people in serbia and we pick a shops gus, to supporting them. so getting cooperation and getting arrest is very, very difficult. and what you need as international prosecutor is really political support from those countries who have influence an impact on those congress who are not arresting the fugitives. and with all countries in the form, you just love yahoo have as a political objective to join sooner or later europe union, whether europe and union had a lot of leverage saying that if you want to go there, one of the many conditions you have to fulfill is full cooperation in arresting the remaining a lot of one coverage is now in the custody of international criminal tribunal, or the from english legion. as the person, yes, at large,

derived in the netherlands early this morning. and has been transferred to the united nation detention center in the hike. something like 5 o'clock one morning. i got a phone call rather than karen and she's been captured. would you like to prosecute him for the siege of sarah evil? and i said yes. heritage remained fugitive from justice and he did that through a very clever disguise as a st healer. and it was a disguise that worked. the man that was arrested in 2008 looked nothing like relevant heritage. but what was very interesting was when karen, it's made his 1st appearance in court after she was a rest. everything was shaved off, the hair was short,

and the man that he once was was back. mr. courage, i see that you alone. i did not see come, so assisting or representing you at this moment is it's your choice not to be represented by counsel. at this initial appearance. i have an invisible advisor, but i have decided to represent myself, but i'm in the car. i found out event, heritage extraordinarily well prepared. he was a master of detail who is really good. this is on counsel. good morning to everyone . see me and you missed my log in. it's a good morning. first of all,

i would like to express my sympathy for your loss and the suffering you went through, roughly and measured. however, your statement is rather broad, those shadow. so i do have to put some questions to back more. i'm the be done. all those free is totally pretty please. so you're trying out. is everyone i testified against? he was the worst to feel psychopath. his every word was a lie. the lush though. you know, osmond mulligan, the yes. be more. he was my brother in law. you know, he was a prominent military commander school was common that my brother in law was killed at the very beginning of the war early on. and i don't know when he could have become such a great commander as i don't think he had enough time, a voice go you seem to an e mail, but i mean, as i go into your excellency,

this family was a prominent family, a military family that made a major contribution to the fighting, bought about tie and andrews to my family. okay. listed on names and hold the military family. so i told him not to worry too much about this family, a site survey because they were like buried at the memorial like an account of sardine and so he could sleep peace in the hague. ah, in 2011 the tribunals last fugitives were finally and pretended. after 15 years on the run, roscoe march was arrested in serbia and handed over to the hague luggage. you kindly rise and make the solar declaration please.

i saw, i do not recognize this. hague caught near the nato creation. it is a satanic court that the courts of justice sold and is trying us because we are so busy because we protect people from the bus. i'm cutting you off. please be seated again at our general, sir. did you ever inform me either orally or in writing that the prisoners from scrubber nita would be, were being i or had been executed mr. president on rather than young and i cannot and do not wish to testify. the reason of my helen he could have taken 7000 muslim

men prisoner, that he could have helped cloud his previous 4 years of murder and rape. but yet he chose to be the, the monster that he is and kill those people mister cottage. could you please stand the chamber here by sentence as you rather than courage. it to a single sentence of 440 years in prison. we don't be there is not. i was glad he was convicted with me. i also felt pride because i contributed to that verdict with my testimony, see that the list leverage leverage. sit mr. on lies mr. if you continued like this, miss. we missed. i'm not going to be removed from the courtroom. curtains

down. mr. blanche will be from the courtroom. the chamber fines rock come language, guilty of the following codes, genocide, persecution, extermination, deportation, unlawful attacks on civilians, violation of the laws or customs of war. the chamber synthesis mr. upcoming adage to life imprisonment. with the i c t wife. last trial, finished in 2017. from 996 on the tribunal indicted 161 people for crimes committed during the yugoslav war. more than 90 were found guilty. no one indicted by the tribunal is still on the run.

ah! in 2000 t b i c t y was joined by the international criminal court in the hague. the i, c. c is a permanent court withdrew addiction of genocide for crimes and crimes against humanity. but many of the world's most powerful nations have not signed on the future of international justice is far from set. and it was the united states that played a major leadership role in establishing the tribunal for their former yugoslavia. however, there were as very little american involvement in that war, and so there very little chance that an american could ever be considered a work criminal. and that was the way things were 1993. currently, the u. s. is one of the biggest obstacles right now. they felt that the i, c,

c may prosecute american soldiers. i don't think this much chance of getting either people's republic of china or the united states of america or federal russia to agree that it's a good idea to say yes. okay, we'll put our sales and everybody else on trial. now, my fear is, justice has lost its gloss sparkle. the arc of its importance may be on the downward side. unless we do something about it. i can see why the present guarantee that will not save my life. they make me

a better person. not but i sent them seeing me to prison to 15 years that didn't change anything in my life. i think the help the time to see from them did out me. i work on myself. i work 10 years with therapists ecologist. i came out of the prison they paid for my therapist. if i say that bush now, i would never change. ah, he wouldn't know when i go in, but i never heard anybody sides been there. we say, oh you are, you know, good guy, eat them up. well, you know, i don't care what you know, but they want to realize that war end up a long time ago. and that terrible things happen during the history. lots of times happened in this area but no. ready one

was punished or arrested. now it was the 1st time happened and no one can deny that. we have denied everywhere around must be have established tax ah, to equal pri at the end of the sky. this was good news. i had so many friends and colleagues, they used to come to our house. we were often together. even now i woke freely through 7, which on my errands, as i sit in the cock and when i see them hosting that you, i hold my head high. those sd, the, the and they look the other way to them. maybe they're ashamed or hate me. i don't know if they have any contact in the sky. colleagues and friends said that they don't want to be friends anymore.

even when the last for date has been given, it's never it's not enough. it doesn't bring back your loved ones. but your hope is always that society and those individuals understand the wrong doings. that what you go for someone else doesn't because unfortunately these men haven't shown many remorse, any way of feeling bad about what they've done. but it's really important that we did everything that we could so that our families not just lost people who they were. and that their lives matter ah

ah, ah, ah ah, ah, we don't want to see what they are there in our streets. water. even now we're here. unseen about hidden threats, we are facing the heroes taking a stand to stop them. the d w the,

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