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the after world war to the people, if you just love you, lived in peace under the grip of an altar. a terry and leader yasser broad t tool in 1982 died and the regime began to crumble in the 6 constituent republics. a new generation of leaders, youth nationalism, to win over the people. you grew up in society where your neighbor, so different religion. and you didn't see them like enemies. now suddenly you have this parties coming around talking that your neighbor is enemy that you need to be watching, where it carefully. yeah, in 1989 flow bought in milosevic became president of serbia, costing himself as defender of the i don't think he believed in

nationalism use nationalism to one and one and only to keep slow but most of which in power. and if you're supposed to feel the other, it's an incitement to violence and then violence comes very quickly. in 1992 roll broke out in bosnia milosevic supported the bosnian serbs, his army, led by it out of the cottage and radco march committed genocide in several in it's in 1998 milosevic than truth the cost of the resulting in movement because milosevic became the 1st head of state to be tried for war crimes. the start of a new era for international justice i

i was born in a small town in kosler. there was small number of serbian families with majority of the, the population where obedient. but you could feel the tension that it's sunday is on saturday for mark and day and he gets really busy. i like it when i'm, if my father was thrown at work and things were getting bad. i think my parents decided to leave the country to, to have a better life for us. they decided to move suite and they already have family

members. but then unfortunately, we were back we will not consider those refugees at that point because things hasn't been as bad. for example, it was happening and after the break up a few slow via kosovo was a disputed region. at the time it was part of serbia, though more than 80 percent of its population were close to the obedience they wanted. independence. but for milosevic, kosovo belong to serbia. the in the mid 19 ninety's, kosovo, albanians formed the kosovo liberation army. in response, milosevic increased his troops in the region. in 1998, the war in kosovo began. i remember rose f tanks, entering the town in between the houses just really shaking and

especially knowing what was happening in other parts of exploring. my family must really been so worried of where things were going to lead me was very difficult to think that something like that could happen to my family. you sort of see it happening and you see that it's possible, but you think that's just something like that happened to my family is just impossible. the initially like cover was refugees coming into north and i'll see a huge number of refugees of the wounded that they've been shop by the serbs willing and kind of show that people who are deeply frightened me. which middle of a surprise. but what makes it west my mind was like, you've been warning that this was kind of since 991. nobody get anything.

in late, 99830 in troops attacked the obedience in kosovo with relentless forth. they also killed unarmed civilians. domesticated were strongly reminiscent of the ethnic cleansing that had shaken bosnia just a few years earlier. but this time the international community was determined to intervene. aggressive nationalism of mister milosevic routed into 30 is not in the ninety's of the european of european politics must be stopped and will be stopped. i would just like to remind president milosevic that nato stands ready to take whatever measures are necessary. thank you . and i remember watching the news and family being together and i remember

they were talking about the nature intervention. and we really thought i remember thinking that the day that happens, the next day we're going to be free. that's how i saw the in march 1999 natal launched strikes on serbia to force milosevic to withdraw his troops from kosovo. the 24th of march when the bombing started things called worse. there was a lot more military presence around town. my family decided that the men would leave the house, so they were around the town that they were hiding. and i remember that he was said

that because when the soldiers are coming in, they're taking the men and they're killing overman. so i guess they must have just been the women and children would be safe. 4 days later, the 28th of march. it was sunday. the police army car stopped in front of the house. we could see them entering other neighbors houses. and we really can see, you know, they, they were like, you know, smashing things and shouting, breaking, and you know, we thought they would take us out just like they were doing with everyone else when they entered, they took us behind one of our neighbors closing behind the house, one of the soldiers pushed my own p shelter in the back.

and then my cousin started crying by the time i looked at them. he already changed his kindness that is shooting at us. they took 2 rounds. the 2nd time was because the one couldn't breathe and were making a noise. so they shot again. and then after some time they it was quiet from the left. so we added to this wage and the house used to be here. and this tree used to be very small during that time. so these are x, the silver falls from the bullets. so

on that day, i lost my mother saw anna, and i lost my 2 brothers spanish but i lost my cousin, nora fall to 21. people only my 4 cousins and myself, 55, and some 8000 kosovo albanians civilians died in the war. in 1999 milosevic was indicted by the international criminal tribunal for the former yugoslavia. b. i. c t. y in the hague. on may 20 seconds. i presented an indictment for confirmation, again slow, but then the lawsuit. it's in for others, charging them with crimes against humanity, specifically murder,

deeper cation and persecutions, and with violations of the laws and customs of war. the but is known as low burden. milosevic stayed in power of wasting him was not possible. the opportunity came when he lost the presidential election in 2000 milosevic refused to concede defeat until angry protestors stormed the element. in june, 2001 milosevic was extracted to the hague and charged with crimes committed in cost of croatia and bosnia. one of the longest and most important trials in the history of international justice was about to begin the rescue. slow graham lotion, which was really momentous. galvanized the officer,

the prosecutor the stakes were higher and maybe the credibility of the i see 2 eyes and institution was more play. we really had to show that we knew what we were about them. ah, today we just use and describe you know, and just try him. but he can give the most power for demonstration that no one is above the mill or beyond the reach of international jests. the crime of genocide, crimes against humanity affects all of us throughout the word the

accused as its course is all fancies charged in respect of these events. the issue is all maybe did he know they were happening? of course he did. he cannot not have known. and we may find, in the case of this accused little or no expression of regret for what was happening to the victims of these conflicts. massage, which was a very interesting human being, camacho, he treated the court with as near insolence as he could. the judges, for reasons that i simply do not understand, started off by allowing him to sit. so the rest of us had to stand to address the court to lead a witness in evidence to cross examine. and was there any reason why the accused

should not be accused wanting to be his own counsel? should not do that. now, he was allowed to sit and lounge a low loss of h. i see that you are not represented by counsel today, not these proceedings will be longer complex. do you want some time to consider whether you wish to be represented? i consider distributing for strip, you know, and in this post indictments show, i have no needs to point to illegal or not. you want to have the indictment read all lot this your problem

people like some of these people in power like be in the spotlight like being in front of the camera and being able to present themselves and make a case to that own supporters. we put away equipment system, the 1st opportunity i've been given after 7 months here to address the public american see to the americans go all the way to the other side of the globe to fight terrorism projects that are not canister in a case in point, we're going to start right to the other side of the world on christ. and that is considered logical and normal in our money. but the struggle against terrorism in the heart of one's own country, maurice, in one's own home, is one's own nation, which is considered a crime. smokers want to know it's really interesting. the process is because of course, even though he's the, he's the, the,

the mastermind of everything that happened a but yet there's 2 aspects of respecting of human rights the right to defend yourself and so on. and i felt that the whole process, unfortunately, again, it gave him some power in terms of even, again, how he treated the victims there when he was questioning them. why would you say that you took your family to a shelter underneath the staircase that had been prepared previously? but i mean, because i still believe now when did you prepare the shelter? you mentioned on your statement look sense the squat, many events through him. i didn't say that when you went to replace the shelter, we stayed in our home call. we made a shelter under the stairs in our home, at the pot of us typically. but i mean when did you prepare the shelter that you

mentioned in your statement? 5 in me instead i will tell you what kind of shelter i had. my son lear took a carpet from the room and read it out because he was a child and was frightened. so you thought it would be safer under the staircase and then don't send those calls just like his mommy. nice room. the show told me that i didn't understand you to be talking about. it was because you wrote the word shelter plus what you're mrs. how did easy the stay until you're an intellectual more as was your husband? are you aware of this distance of kosovo into the war and the tragic events that followed as an advocate he was because he couldn't resist the temptation to cross examine. every was the effect of all that was terrible on him because it showed him to be actually quite

a nasty pencil. me more than 5000 witnesses, testified before the war. crimes tribunal, among them were politicians, soldiers, and foreign observers. mm. the vast majority with those who survived violence during the war, victims of rape, torture, and genocide. ah, ah, do you think it was into g when i go to the memorial now? as soon as my feet feel like someone else's feet, my legs no longer carry me,

burying your own children. this is something that destroys you. your subsidizes also to a filmy, everything dies. real estate agent. how should they contacted me from the hague tribunal and they say this year that they asked if i would agree to testify. and i said, yes, i didn't hesitate, but i had nothing else to lose in my life. so i wanted at least to be helpful to others. since i'm in that role, i solemnly declare that i will state the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth smell. this is the agenda dealer because it shows that cit, the i was a little surprised when i got in the court from and i saw that everything had been photographed for every stone from public chat. a reverend is supposed to be the i asked the prosecutor the why are you inviting us to the hague tribunal? if you already know everything explained,

they could all be fake photographs for them. so without witnesses, there was no vetted to the name of breast who does not happen to be honest, it feels like a tree. it's really important to have that acknowledgment of what you've suffered. it's quite an empowering experience. you house perpetrates right there, and they have to sit there and after listen, you know, they become get up and shoot you because you're you know, speaking about what they've done the, we also decided to testify in belgrade. it was not very long after the war ended.

i just remember really being anxious all the time. people here were in the garden who are still walking free. you know, you have an idea in your mind when you have that experience goes to something like that goes to the icons, forgive the ones who did it, and the ones who gave orders to do it. and you know, the ones who started this whole thing. but i can't say about every single person that lives in this country. but for me was really striking is the reaction of families. if i for traits, family were all there, some right behind him and you know, let alone that. he didn't show any remorse. i was stunned to see the reaction of the family they, i mean they were there for 2 hours listening of every details if you could give

of what had happened on that day. and yet they felt that it was unfair that he was being tried. it was really hard for me to even sort of compress the whole that whole reaction the neck with which i started beating detainees. it threatened a 3rd or 4th person i had fell on the floor to be later died in the infirmary of the cask in those that you're not even if i knew it somewhere. deep down. yes, i did something, but i didn't want to believe in that. i do as i was sort of charging things for

my country for my people, i was not wrong. my child was not wrong. we did the right thing. so this is what you are trying to yourself me. many of the accuse did not recognize the hague tribunal all their guilt, even though it could have reduced their sentences. just 20 of the 100. 61 accused. pled guilty. ah, both me and the politician piano club ships pled guilty to one of the charges against her in return, the others were dropped barely enough to un war crimes tribunal. on wednesday, she is accused of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. charging interest, gone to the trials lasted for years. though she was, they told me i could get

a life sentence. he has someone she was once i entered the court room with my blood pressure at 220 because some vision more often my lawyer said vienna, there's only one solution or more. she will not be guilty this prison. i could do it. now should i go back to some villa now our leadership of which i was apart? bled in efforts which victimized countless innocent people navy menu. at that time, i easily convinced myself it was a matter of survival and self defense. some of the many, neither shall i go to spread. the most important thing for me is a clear conscience to lose. do you believe me? little i sleep very well. try what has passed centers? almost 72. we are a former president for the participation in

a crime of the utmost gravity. on the other hand, very significant mitigating circumstances. in particular, the guilty plea of the accused. let the accused believe having given do away to the fact to set heart trial sentences due to a period of 11 imprisonment. all this and yet the major not 9 steps toward the hague tribunal, not an international institution attacked the entire serb nation already. this is sort of beyond i'm not saying the serbs were,

angels could read those, but you just have to look at the distribution on my floor of the prison virtual. this sort of device set of our top 10 serves you crow ads and one muslim smear. i found very amusing or you said, i'm just here to make up the muslim quota. not a trace of justice need to rule. well, the navy to be any. it's true that most of the accused were served context. but that's due to the context of the conflict to do after the dissolution of yugoslavia, the federal army was dissolved automotive headquarters were in belgrade and serbian

hands. so this federal army became a serbian army on your model. so of course they had plenty of weapons ship to those. the bosnian army was formed on the go and barely had any weapon. mobiles. the government is the same, was true for the croats association syndic court. about the the i still to do what was in. that's why the serbs committed more crimes valuables. of course that doesn't mean serbs are criminal people. that's just how the situation was at the time. that will be the 4 years after it started the trial of flaw burden milosevic was still unfinished. hearings were often delayed as milosevic has helped deteriorated. on the 11th of march,

2006, milosevic was found dead in his prison. so of a heart attack. the chamber has been advised of the death called the accused, slow, but on the last of which we express or regret at his passing. we also regret that his own timely death has deprived not only him, but indeed all interested parties of a judgment upon the allegations in the indictment. i was very sure that he would be convicted. what happened in the end?

it's to me, very disappointing. but also what really bothers me is this rhetoric of people within serbia say no, he didn't commit to it because he was never convicted for it. well, milosevic was mourned in belgrade b i c t wise most wanted fugitive were hiding in serbia that yvonne carriage and radco markets were charged with crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide in the bosnian war. but many still regarded them as heroes. ah, so early january in 2008 have died 2 years before. it was obvious that the main frustration, if anything, was kind of in light each are still out there. you know, people are invited. even today you will find people in serbia and we pick

a subs cost to supporting them. so getting cooperation and getting a risk, it's very, very difficult and what you need as a prosecutor, it's really political support from those countries who have influenced an impact on the congress who are not arresting the fugitives. and with all countries in the for me was love, yahoo have as a political objective to join sooner or later. europe in union, whether europe and union had a lot of leverage saying that if you want to go there, one of the many conditions you have to fulfill is full cooperation in arresting the remaining the other one college is now in the custody of international criminal tribunal for the, from english lydia after 1st had lodged here right in the netherlands,

early this morning and had been transferred to the united nation detention center in the hike. something like 5 o'clock one morning. i got a phone call rather than karen and she's been captured. would you like to prosecuting for the siege of sarah evil? and i said yes. heritage remained the fugitive from justice and he did that through a very clever disguise as a safe healer and it was a disguise that worked. the man was arrested in 2008 looked nothing like rather than carriage but what was very interesting was when carriage made his 1st appearance in court after she was a rest. everything was changed off, the hair was short,

and the man that he once was was back mister cottage, i see that you alone touch enough si come. so, assisting or representing you at this moment, is it your choice not to be represented by counsel? as this initial appearance, i have an invisible adviser. i have decided to represent myself. in the courtroom, i found, rather than heritage extraordinarily well prepared. he was a master of detail who is really good, is own counsel. good morning to everyone, and you miss my log in large. good morning. first of all,

i would like to express my sympathy for your loss and the suffering we went through, but the major team, however, your statement is rather broad door start cheryl, so i do have to put some question back more. i'm the be done. totally pretty please. as you're out of everyone, i testified against. he was the last to a few psychopath. his every word with ally english though you, you know, osmond molig, it's the yes. don't be more. he was my brother in law. you know, he was a prominent military commander school that my brother in law was killed at the very beginning of the war early on that. and i don't know when he could have become such a great commander as i don't think he had enough time, a voice school agenda. me seen an email, but i mean,

as i thought i for answer your excellency, this family was a prominent family, a military family that made a major contribution to the fighting from border by another route to my family. okay. listed on names and hold this a military family. some like i told them not to worry too much about this family. a site survey because they were lying buried at the memorial like an account of sardine and for some of the so he could sleep peacefully in the hague. ah, in 2011 the tribunals last fugitives were finally and pretended. after 15 years on the run, roscoe march was arrested in serbia and handed over to the hague luggage. you can see the rise and make the solar declaration please

so i do not recognize this have caught near police is a nato creation. what it is is to court the court of justice. so and he's trying us because we are so busy because we protect people from the bus. i'm cutting you off. please be seated. but again, general sir, did you ever inform me either orally or in writing that the prisoners from scrubber needs would be were being i or had been executed the mr president on rather than young and i cannot and do not wish to testify. the reason of my helen he could have taken 7000

muslim men prisoner, that he could have helped cloud his previous 4 years of murder and rape. but yet he chose to be the, the monster that he is and kill those people. mr. courage could you please stand the chamber here by sentences you rather than courage to a single sentence of 440 years of in prison. we don't me there is but i was glad he was convicted with me. i also felt pride because i contributed to that verdict with my testimony, see that the political risk. mr. milan, there's some luggage sit missing on live. mr. marriage, if you continued like this, we missed them now that will be removed from the courtroom. curtains down mister

chill from the courtroom. the chamber fines wrought comb luggage guilty of the following cones. genocide, persecution, extermination, deportation. unlawful attacks on civilians of violation of the laws or customs of war. the chamber sentences mr. upcoming adage to life imprisonment or g i. c t wise. last trial finished in 2017. from 996 on the tribunal indicted 161 people for crimes committed during the yugoslav war. more than 90 were found guilty . no one indicted by the tribunal is still on the run.

ah! in 2000 t b i c t y was joined by the international criminal court in the hague. the i, c. c is a permanent court withdrew addiction of genocide for crimes and crimes against humanity. but many of the world's most powerful nations have not signed on the future of international justice is far from certain it was the united states that play the major leadership role in establishing the tribunal for the former yugoslavia. however, there is very little american involvement in that war, and so there are very little chance that an american could ever be considered a work criminal. and that was the way things were in 1993. currently, the u. s. is one of the biggest obstacles right now. they felt that the i c. c in

a prosecutor, american soldiers. i don't think this much chance of getting either a people's republic of china or the united states of america or federal russia to agree that is a good idea to say yes. ok, we'll put on sales and nobody else on trial. no, my fear is justice has lost its gloss sparkle. the arc of its importance may be on the downward side. on this we do something about it. i again see why the percent guarantee that are not saved my life. they make me

better person. not by sentencing me to present to 15 years that didn't change anything in my life. i think the help that i see from them did our me i work on my shows. i was can years with their technology is i came out of the prison. they paid for my chair. if i stayed the bush now, i would never change. ah, he wouldn't know when i go in, but i never heard anybody preach sides. been there. we say, oh, you are, you know, good guy eat them up. well, you know, i don't care what you, nobody went to realize that war end up a long time ago and that terrible things happened using the history a lot of times in this area. but no one was

punished or now it was the 1st time happened. and no one can deny that we have denied everywhere around must be heavy stablish, tax will be at the end of the school, but i had so many friends and colleagues, they used to come to our house. we were often together. 17, even now i walk freely through several which are on my errands. and i sit in the talk and when i see them, i hold my head high doses, thieves it, and they look the other way to them. maybe they're ashamed or hate lease. i don't know if they have any contact names can colleagues and friends, so they don't want to be friends anymore.

even when the last for date has been given, it's never it's not enough to bring back your loved ones. but your hope is always that society and those individuals understand the wrong doings. that's what you go through. someone else doesn't because unfortunately, these man hasn't shown many remorse, any way of feeling bad about what they've done. but it's really important that we did everything that we could so that our families not just lost that people in the student who they were and that their lives snap. ah

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