somebody let's say in their early twenties, looking to sort of design the, the life they have ahead of them. they want to have added them. is that now easier than, than it used to be, let's say 20 years ago, or do the same kinds of problems that have always been there remain? i would say, generally speaking, the situation has improved positively. we have more legal rights, more organizations which are active. you have more places which can offer certain protection or give you advices, especially in, in bigger cities. but on the other hand, it depends where you live. it will be of course, much more difficult if you leave in a little check village and ready to gary and village where you have a very conservative population. it depends also what's your background? of course, if you lease you,

if your parents came from turkey or syrian are very religious, miss lynn, it would be probably much more difficult to, to have your coming out or especially to be accepted through you through your parents. and we don't want to to know, want to talk about somebody coming from dad. minority wanted to, wanted to change, to change and to become a drunk and retrans woman. so that you have very, very different situations, very different constellations as we already as a, as it was already said. we leave here in burling. although they are still problems . you have a full week attacks every week. but we, we leave here in a certain bubble. and these bubble with its limits of course, doesn't exist in a lot of places. and also for, for certain certain young people has different different background,

different religious background or different parents. so i think it's, it's, it can still be difficult. the, the average you side rate among teenagers is higher among l g, b, t q. i, qx people than the average population for example. so you see have problem used to have dramatic situations. but on the other hand, in big cities like in berlin or it's where in paris in amsterdam, i think for these young people, for example, the necessity to, to go out, you know, in queer place is to dare to go to a dance club, which is which is definitely gail, lead, you know, whatever, that's not a necessity nowadays because you can be your says wherever you are in search and big cities in certain areas to wait on that before we move on to the broader

perspective. yes, i think what we have to understand is the cur, community is not uniform. so while it may be easier for some people, we have to recognize it's still about survival. it's so about, you know, physically where people are going to be subject to violence, no matter where they go. and i want to push back on this, you know, not just in migrant neighborhoods. you know, i'm, when i'm talking about, i don't feel comfortable going. i also meet in berlin meta so we have to understand that if you are visibly queer, if you are breaking the norms, it's just going to depend and it's going to shift throughout the day. how come through you're going to feeling? i would agree that younger people are generally growing up with more role models with more visibility, with more awareness. so i think, you know, it's not as difficult to at least find the information once they may suspect that they are different from their peers. and i, you know, i see various groups of young people where sexuality gender is kind of more amorphous. but again, that depends on the bubble you're looking at. and if they can find the community, ok, well homeless, i'm sure many countries around the world lives in the theory,

violence arrest and even the death penalty that includes many muslim countries like chechnya, somalia, iran and saudi arabia. before we talk about that shocking threat, let's have a look at some of the examples. ronnie, con, run pakistan's 1st mcgraw, the for transgender people. she also teaches them how to so that they can sell clothes to pay for their gender affirmation treatment along the way. the other families do not accept transgender people through them out of their home, so they tend to wrongdoing, dancing, and begging, doing other things. i was one of them as a con hook to unite transgender people by using islam and pakistan alone. there are enough to meet 300000 transgender people. and for these students, the majority is not only a stepping stone for greater acceptance within society. it also serves as

a safe haven for them. because in many muslim countries like here and going to go, there is still tremendous prejudice against the l. g. b t. community as this demonstration against equal rights for homosexual, clearly indicate on the other hand, during the last presidential election and 2019 mel near about tour, a member of the l. g b t. right organizations, sham even ran for the countries highest office is there light at the end of the rainbow worldwide calls are often made to our governments and to brussels, to do something about the situation about the climate of hatred that i alluded to earlier. bands what, what can brussels do? but of course, they are official policies in place to promote european values, which is non discrimination, of sexual minorities and even the europe. this is difficult as you heard,

and to transport this into the wider. it's even more difficult because the influence you has on, for example, saudi arabia, african countries to change these laws of this. so tied to the behaviors of course limited. and if you have countries like hungary in your midst that are not obeying to this, this values, it's even more difficult to, to have your stand in the world. so it's, it's a long way to go still and just try to match this a little bit together. i'd like to come back to budapest, hungary, where does that? there's a big debate about the clash of cultures in hungarian society in eastern european society, liberal societies against a liberal societies who would want to live in a liberal society. what's the understanding from brussels of that can under well, if you look hungry on poland, for example, the parties that are promoting this liberal democracy,

a still winning elections. so you have to see that it seems that a majority of people still is supporting this. and we now see if, especially in hungary, discussion in it because of the upcoming elections that this might change because all opposition parties are now putting together a list to, to beat the fetus party of mr album. but it's still a struggle and it's in the structures of the societies in eastern europe, that they are not as far advanced when it comes to, to civil rights and gay rights. and there's been rights. this is the metal for truth. it can change, but it will take time. what do you say by that passcode that we have we have to for, for a period of time, except that there is prejudice that there is hatred? yeah, unfortunately, yes, and i think what, what we have to say what we can see in these examples in hungary right now in

poland where conservative people proclaim the so called l g b t free zones. the situation in romania is also very problematic. it shows that there is not a logical, positive development in the, in the history with always, every year or with always new and more rise for l g b, t, people. you can also have a road back. i mean, the situation since the end of the communism was never perfect in hungarian, poland, and he's in these or countries, but in poland for example, you have, you still have, but you had prod, march was etc, and there were some, some positive developments. and now we have these rollback, we also have a new surgeon for. so in france, for example, where you, you see that on values, we have a society which is more conservative than it was, i think,

some years ago. so yeah, that's why it's important to yeah, not to stop the struggle and to fight every day for us, for our neighbors. and also outside from us, until you come, you come from the country that gave us a women's with the view in women's rights movement in large measure in the sixty's black rights. and gay rights is how great is your fear that instead of progress being made, we now may be face a backlash, at least in some respects. well, i think it's very important for us, as i said, that there's always going to be pushback. it's never so there's this mistaken belief that we're always going to have progress. that's an ending and nothing and holds back. it's a push and pull b, because as people get more uncomfortable, there's going to be reactionary pushback. and so we, as a society are evolving and that evolves, you know, being, recognizing that it's going to go in this direction is going to go the doctor

actually, you know, united states just survived for years of donald trump. and so we can really see how even in as stable democracy as we like to call the united states, we're also encountering these issues with liberalism and authoritarianism. but something i think i just want to point out is, you know, as, as valiant as it is to want to influence other countries. we should also focus on what can your p in countries that are have a problem with on what can they do in their own homes. okay, i hear music now. we don't have time. we, we have been talking about how best to tackle exclusion. i really would like to have that in a nutshell, spend how to tackle exclusion. what do we do? you have to try out a future good was have that is good advice coming from brussels. we've been talking about the l g, b t q, community and how to tackle exclusion. thanks so much for joining us. see you next time. round just the

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