and large consensus about these issues, but is it enough for people in the u like you and senior officials to just say, oh, it's a difficult issue and ring your hands and wait for the next disaster strike in which you wouldn't be able to play any kind of role you'll just be left by the side of the road watching the former jordanian foreign minister. my one question says that you've become passive, accepting a status quo that it doesn't even want. that's true, isn't it? you don't want the current situation because you haven't got any idea of fixing it . well i guess that in some issues, so globally, also in immediate neighborhood of europe, your foreign policy has been quite successful when we speak, for example, ups about supporting them across the movement. speed ga, be ukraine beat, some other countries where i say if you look at the changes in invest in both

consent and so on and so on. and then yes, you also kind of course find examples where it's really difficult to make a difference. and even to reach consensus in d, u the same middle east issue. so it is as long as you is not one country, but the combination of 27 at the state. sure. well, it also remain like this, that not in all foreign policy issues you easily can reach very brilliant consensus or, or you can push forward the very brilliant ideas where they are you like the position of your member states. this is really strong so that if you look at the middle east, then yes it last, it already dictates and dick gates, but it's not only the european union. also, no other country came out with the solution which, which really can be helpful. so that, that's why disease really sensitive and complex and problematic issue. you talk about progress in the west mulkins with, with all the disruptions spreading inside the you. is there any point in pushing

ahead with enlargement plans there? don't you have enough problems without importing feuds and organized crime and the drug and people trafficking and smuggling from the west. balkans. they don't seem to be making a lot of progress in cracking down on organized crime that do they for all of the progress that you talk about. well, i think, i think the patience in distance is needed because if we compare where we are the majority, for example, of eastern european countries in early 900 ninety's and where there are these days was not a show of one or 2. yes, it was, they show a couple of the case and in the sense in the future, i also see the same kind of development with the remaining western balkan countries which are not in the that the perspectives to get membership is also very important to really implement all these changes so that when we speak about serbia or boston that has to be in our or any other country after 20 or 30 years,

then we really will see that your, your prospective membership perspective has really made difference. well, i mean you talk about that you take take bulgarian romania for instance. they had to be put under special monitoring for more than 10 years because of problems with the rule of law issues, problems with massive corruption which persists to this day. that hasn't been any picnic for the rest of europe having bulgarian romania and the amount of crime that it generates in the amount of corruption that both countries generate on your doorstep. that hasn't been a great gift, hasn't again, i think that that without this european union perspective and without european union member membership. and i think also there risks for the rest of europe have been much, much larger. and where you mentioned romania pull, gary, i,

which are one of the freshest the member states. well, but with all mother stay, look at my own country. estonia. if i look back 30 or 25 years, and if i think about the stone today, i still think that it has been a great achievement of europe that well, they took estonia and, and we managed to showing. and if you look at all the changes, but of course it takes time because all what happened with this particular countries in eastern europe, they didn't happen that we didn't couple of years. they happened. we didn't half a century 50 years of hope to say wrong history. and now to imagine that they were to think and they fixed within a couple of years. well, it's illusion, but it won't happen, but it will take time. mr. pie, how worried you about the news this week? the parties of the far right have formed an alliance against brussel, saying they'll fight for what they call national sovereignty and tried to prevent a european state be 16 parties from 15 countries in the european union, in

a direct challenge to the rules that they signed up to when they exceeded to the european union, that's hardly progress. is it? well i, i'm not worried because we have seen this kind of slogans on the 10th so, so during previous years, no, there's no election senior more than slogans. i mean, they, they managed to bring you to south to a standstill in certain areas. does that no, i disagree so far, its own the slogan sense. we have seen the slogan, sunset during previous years, because you, if you look at these concrete political parties, then they are very different. some parties are very pro ration, some are very much against russia. some part these wants to very strong involvement of the state in the economy. us some other part this, they don't want. so that in subs from substance actually they are very,

very different. and it also has been the reason why so far they didn't manage to unite their forces. so that's one of the things that i'd like them. one of the things that does unite them is the issue of migrants, which has been particularly divisive for the you. and i think that actually the majority of citizens in europe, they are very worried about the migration issues starting from this that why people all have to leave data data homeland in the sunsets. it's very human and in lots of cases human tragedy. so that i guess the majority of people in europe in distance don't want to see that people will have to leave their homes and then start the life of g. i'm not only about to say yes, miss denied. perhaps the most disappointing aspect which human rights groups are underlined last month is how the e u has failed to safeguard people against serious human rights violations at its external borders. the spotlight has fallen on the border agency front, tx,

which is accused by human rights watch of failing repeatedly to take action of allegations of human rights violations. that's a serious issue, isn't it? it's exposed depold lines in the values that all mental countries were supposed to sign up to have been a major disappointment for you. why the, for me, the big disappointment actually is that we still have the situation that there are lots of people who have to leave that homes and they have chosen the way to, to be in refugee. so that once again, i think that europe, but also other strong countries in the world. they have to do everything that people simply don't have to leave their homes. but before really there are, if which east and of course you have to handle this, you have to handle that. people who have well the right for protection, they should get it. and people who don't have this right, they well should be returned. yes. or some way,

or it's the way they are being treated at the european union's borders by the board agency, front tech. this is what has attracted a lot of attention from the human rights and a lot of human rights groups on a lot of criticism as well. that from tx, the border agency is accused of failing repeatedly to take action over allegations of human rights violations. why is that, and why is it allowed? well, of course all this kind of why elation so for, for existing laws and rules, they should not happen. so that in distance, i also hope that the be front, thanks or be any other organization has to have it's lessons learned so that this kind of thing should not happen again. but we also should understand that well, for many people, for many organizations, including chronics, last years, they have been very fast and rapid development. there have been lots of changes in

their organization and lots of changes in situation. but just to concrete, that doesn't justify ministry. absolutely. not absolutely not, absolutely not, but, but i think that our perspective also should be to the future, so that all this mistreatment sent violations, they should be investigated so that they will not happen again because yeah, i agree that all this kind of stuff where people have been treated badly or, or against the law? well, they should never happen again. is it any wonder then the, when these things happening, that so many in europe feel that the european project is in serious trouble? last month there was new polling and research by the european council on foreign relations, which showed that majorities in france, germany, italy, spain and austria, now judged the e u to be broken in france, the figure was just over 60 percent onto worried by these high levels of

dissatisfaction, that the functioning of the you well i haven't seen these figures my last figures. we're a bit more optimistic. but anyway, of course, this is every, they so work to explain why still it is important that europe on countries are together and make operation. because what these and i'll turn up if every and each while european country will be on its own. in today's world, nobody really can balance be china. russia, also other big players. so that if you look from economic point, a fuel filter, look from security point of fuel, personal freedoms, point the fuel than i didn't, i personally didn't discover anything, turn up if the present situation. but of course it needs explanation. it needs also work with public opinion or must pied spin good savion comes examine. thank you very much indeed. thank you. the

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