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come to germany, ah, i've got my license to work as a swimming instructor here. and now i teach children under don't just as what's your story take part serious on info migrant? ah, ah ah, this is the w news, and these are the top stories organizes of the toko olympics have announced a total ban on spectators. it follows a new state of emergency declared in the japanese capital due to the rising current of virus infections. foreign fans were already banned. now, japanese spectators are being told to stay at home. the authorities in south africa, se former president jacob zoom. i could be eligible for parole in 4 months. he is
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now in prison after handing himself in on wednesday night zoom out was avoiding arrest after being sentenced to 15 months in jail for failing to appear before a corruption inquiry. me in hungry a controversial new law has come into effect despite condemnation from the european union. the little bands trailed, but homosexuality were agenda change in school. educational materials and some tv shows cause x day. it discriminates against l. g p t q people. the european commission is urging hungry to repeal the legislation, but the government and for the past defend its decision. this is, he got the news from berlin. there's much more on a web site, the w dot com mm. ah. after 2 decades, us and nato troops are leaving afghanistan. the tale bond is quickly moving back in
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the african interpreters who helped alliance forces in there are thousands of them . say they'll be slaughtered if they can't get out in time today. president biden said those you help us will be 4 out of afghanistan in august. but what about the surge of the totally bond in 2001 the us went to war. because the taliban had given terrorist a home in f d n. a stand in 2021 americas longest war were told is over. everyone is going home, including the taliban. i'm british from berlin. this is the day the news we have spent a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of resources in improving the competency and the capability of the afghan national security forces. the withdrawal is essentially an admission is idea of the 20 mission negotiated settlement between the parties. in this case is on the public
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in the town, on the only way to end 40 years of war. we are not about to turn away, nor are we on the any illusions about the errors of today's situation. now it's their turn, their time to, to, to defend their people. also coming out the former south african president, jacob zoom. i swore before his supporters that he would never go to prison. but last night in the cover of darkness, zoom turned himself in to the police. i am not scared of doing, of bowing to jail, for my beliefs, it will not be. for the 1st time, the reviewers on p b. s. in the united states. as of all of you around the world, welcome, we begin the day with a promise to afghanistan from us. president joe biden. us forces our exiting f.
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can't stand after a 20 year mission that became known as america's longest war today. biden's said the military campaign will end august 31st while the us will not stay involved in f d n. it's been militarily biden's as diplomatic and humanitarian work will continue in an effort to protect the thousands of african interpreters and translators, who helped us native forces by announced that the u. s. military will operate flights throughout august to evacuate them and their families. they will be taken to an unannounced safe country as they wait for their visas to be approved. now the tele bon, are going from strength to strength in afghanistan, taking over more territory. and that process has only accelerated as foreign troops lead biden's message after 20 years. us and native no longer have a job to do in afghanistan, the future of afghanistan must be determined by afghans. and that includes in 2021
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just as it did in 2001, dealing with the tale bar. here is the u. s. press. or military mission afghans, dan will conclude on august 30. first, the drawdown is proceeding in a secure and orderly way. prioritizing the safety of our troops as they depart. our military commanders advised me that once i made the decision and the war we needed move swiftly to conduct the main elements of the draw out. and in this context, speed is safety. and thanks to the way in which we have managed our draw, no one, no one us forces or any forces have had been lost. conducting our drop down differently would have certainly come with the increased risk of safety to our personnel. was the us president there? earlier i spoke with trey parsi, he's executive vice president at the quincy institute for responsible statecraft. he is an authority on geo politics from iran, to saudi arabia, to afghan
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a stay. and i asked him if there is any positive news in this announcement, given that the tale bon is research in afghanistan. i think it's important to recognize that a ton of on was researching and would be researching regardless as to whether the united states would be leaving or not. after 20 years, we have now people saying that the afghan government cannot stand alone for 6 months. well, after a 20 year investment and they can only hold out for 6 months, what does that tell us? it tells us that another year and other 2 years and other 20 years will not make a difference. and that is bringing the united states to a point in which it has to decide. does it want to continue to engage in an endless unwinnable war? or is it going to withdraw and recognize that that original objective of the feeling that there has been achieved. and settle for that the original objective, the mission of going into afghan to stand. the president said today was to rid the country of the terrorist who had hit the united states. but wasn't that mission
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accomplished in 2011? when some of been lot was killed? i think in general had just been an objective to go after it's all gone and unkind are there it would have been achieved much earlier, perhaps even earlier than 2011 months of the fact that beloved and was killed in pakistan. not enough cornerstone. i think this is a typical case of mission creek in which we originally went in because of the attacking the united states and den is the worst into the nation building project counterintelligence counterinsurgency, and it's just been dragging on. this is part of the reason why the united states should be extremely selective when it comes to using force outside of its own borders. and the extremely selective when it comes to the type of military interventions that we're seeing here. because once it is started, usually there are very, very few good options left and you will be forced to only choose between bad
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options. i heard one us will make her today say that the, this war would have turned out much differently. had there not been the invasion of iraq, 2 years after the started the more in f ganeth stand, this is congressman said that what happened is you had the us trying to focus on 2 words. neither of them got complete attention and you see that mission creep began, as you just said, is the failure in afghanistan. if you want to call it that, does it have something to do with iraq? i'm not for convinced by that because at the end of the day, even if the united states had not gone into iraq and clearly going into iraq did not help but had not gone into your walk. it would still have been a very difficult mission because nation building and our son is not with united states is eclipse. to do, you can take a look at the roxy, how about the nation building when fair as well? the problem is from the very beginning, the mission actually was limited to the ceiling, the canada, and then and more into something much, much bigger. had that not happened,
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we would be in a very different situation. the, the 1st question for the president from reporters today were, are you handing over afghanistan to the tele bond? we're the past few decades and began to stand where they worth it. what would be your answers? well, i think the premise of that question is quite incorrect. handing afghanistan over to the tyler bon presumes that the united states is in control of us on as united states is not in control of cornerstone and has not been in control. and that's been the problem from the very beginning. a lot of folks seems to have the impression that of cornerstone some way somehow is the 51 state of the united states. and now that by the registration or whoever had been trunk would be handling it over to someone else. this was never denied estates. this was their country and the u. s. was never in control of it. i think assumption as such, has really made the conversation in the united states. much more difficult about
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what type of a rational choices it can choose between and moving forward. what, what we util, the administration, what should we expect in the next year? and if can to stay in the government with the taliban. and of course, there's the role of pakistan and even the role of trying to consider i think it is essential that when the military mission is now and that the united states remains engage diplomatically, try to help stabilize cornerstone. it's going to be very challenging. but one thing the united states can should do is to encourage the regional states the neighboring states to really step up and their incentives to do so, has now increased as a result of the united states leaving. for instance, if you take a look at what the iranians have been doing, in many ways the volunteers had shared interest with the united states and i've gone on and opposed itala. but as long as the united states was enough, honest on and was seen as a stretch by the barney's yvonne,
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it did not collaborate with the united states. and actually in many ways to undermine the united states deliberately feeling that if they did in the united states would have greater bandwidth to attack iraq with the united states not being present there. this dynamic changes and the opportunities for collaboration and diplomacy goes, but it takes initiative, leadership and participation. why the united states? i think it's essential that just because the troops are back home does not mean that the diplomatic commission in any way shape or form should and in fact, it should be wrapped up. yeah, that's exactly what the president said earlier today to the policy. we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. oh, south africa, the former president jacob zoom is behind bars tonight in the cover of darkness. last night he did what the country's highest court had ordered him to do. he turned himself in to the police zebra had threatened to evade capture, since he was sentence last week on contempt charges for failing to appear before a panel investigating corruption allegations against him. starting
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a 15 month prison sentence, he may be eligible for parole after serving for months. now, this is the 1st time a former president has been jailed in south africa, but it is not zoom as the 1st time behind bars. he spent time in prison as a freedom fighter during the arm struggle against apartheid. cutting it close to a midnight deadline. this convoy of vehicles carried the former south african president, jacob xena, on his way to hand himself over to authorities. the 79 year old is now in custody in his home province, beginning his 15 month sentence for contempt of court. on sunday, xena stressed, he wasn't afraid of jail time referencing his previous incarceration for his role in fighting south africa's racist apartheid regime to remind them and i am not scared of doing boeing to jail for my
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belief it will not be for the 1st time i will be a prisoner of conscience. the former president was in office for 9 years, has been at the center of corruption allegations surrounding his time in public life. the contempt of court charge came as a result of him refusing to appear at a corruption commission. he's called the process a political conspiracy, but authorities have accused him of mister perforating funds and fraud, some of the charges date back 20 years. the on monday, the constitutional court is due to consider an application by xena for the cancellation of his prison sentence spring. when he w christine, what is covering this story for? she joins me now from durban in south africa. good evening to you,
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christine. the events of the past 24 hours. just how much of a surprise have they been branch. nobody expected that. when that convoy raced out of the room as homesteads shortly before midnight on wednesday, that what would follow was the confirmation from his spokespeople that that was in fact him going to hand in felt over to the police better because just days before the weekend on sunday and i will actually be outside his home in the, in the problem when you told him that he would not be doing that, that he didn't deserve to be in prison. and that he wouldn't be adding itself in. so it's brittany came as a huge surprise and came down to the very last minute. it was a very long night or not. it's not that we can get who was lou to the kind of bring because it just wasn't pale. that was going to happen. what we full, where police a messing and approaching his homestead and it appears mister opted to head in felt
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over. yeah, i mean we're seeing that video there of the convoy last night when he turned himself in and he turns himself in at night just before midnight. as you said, it was dark. not so easy to see those crowds of supporters who had been promising violence. if mister zima were to go to jail. i mean, did you think that zoom used the cover of darkness, perhaps to avoid possible bloodshed? if that is what he did? a lot of people would be thanking him because that was the fear in this country. brent, that there was going to be bloodshed, were told that on sunday when people were gathered outside his home when he addressed the supporters that as many as 100 fire on were in circulation among the forces that were gathered outside of his home. we heard that nice minutes because he was asked about why he didn't crowd because public gatherings currently, not the knowledge here in south africa because of course in 1900 restrictions that he said what he did not want was some kind of an explanation of confrontation
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between police and the forces because there was support for the menu that i spoke to was saying that they were willing to die in prison if he told them that they had formed the human shield. that even if the police had tried to get to him that they wouldn't be able to get through him for you, that they would be violent, that there would be an outbreak of violence that people would die in defend the prison. so we full members of the agency appealing to the president to instead he supported the, to refrain from finding they were on holding all sorts of weapons. i feel some of them carrying some of them even in the ship because they were ready for war as some have been told. and moving forward. can we say that there is any consensus among south africans regarding seamless fate and what should or shouldn't happen to him? the short answer is no brains. and i'll tell you that saw the people who supports
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him or they see him as being a victim of political persecution. why is he being prosecuted? they say that he is being prosecuted for defending the black progress that he has been trying to break down the structure of white monopoly capital. what that means is called africa. it's code essentially for the fact that basic rumor has been trying to re allocate this country from the white minority to the black majority. and they said that he is being persecuted from that. people who, who see things differently say there is no evidence that the system has done that. that in fact, the corruption and his tenure during have resulted in human robbing the quote that new stolen from this country club, the black majority in this country that he's stone and sanitation, basic services like water and health care. so depending on who you are in this country, you either see him or some kind of a hero or a villain branch. and that is the reason why there is no consensus as to what
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misses in the state should be. yeah, we've got some time and let me, i'm going to ask you about that. what do you make of zoom equating, his past going to prison as a freedom fighter against apartheid equating that with now going to prison for defying a court order in a post apartheid south africa. what went through your mind when you heard him? you know, equate those to yet. i mean, it's astonishing. i didn't miss through a party, but we suddenly learned about what that was. and of course, when people like me told you we heard in the report, this is somebody who helped bring about this country's liberation. so to invoke the words of a party, to like in a democratic, from africa to, to a party days really stuck out for a lot of people. and so you've heard a lot of people who would then the struggle coming out and saying that that is the wrong news of this country's history. but it really plays into this,
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into this narrative that, that zoom and his camp are putting out there that he is being persecuted. he said that he is being detained without trial. and back to him is what needs to happen in a party. that's what happened and wanted a new calling himself a prisoner of quench it's of course, many felt africans do not by that, that all human, they do not by that nature, they say that mr. wilma is way he should be because he has defied the institutions of the very democracy that he has got about 30 seconds. christine, what does all of this tell us about the the rule of law in south africa to die? well, people in this country who, who are happy about the debate of makia i celebrating what they say is the rule of law being supreme. it's long been the view in this country that the political each enjoy and living community that the ordinary south african doesn't is know the corruption in this country. it has cost this country investment and it has cost people who have people in this country the most. and so people are seeing this from
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kind of a message to people and government that no more gone other days, no matter who you walk off off of corruption because people are tired of that people, especially as this graph commission has been going on. people have been hearing about the extent of government corruption, south africans off frustrated. they are angry and they see this as a victory for the country. they see this as a training that nobody is above the law. and they're hoping that that message gets through to everybody in government. a very interesting one, with tonight's reporting from south africa helping us put today's events and last night's events into context. christine, as always, thank you. the whole controversial new law has now come into effect in hungary and it has put the country on a collision course with the european union. the law bands, portrayals of homosexuality or gender change in schools and on tv programs. for children. critics, including the european commission,
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say the wall discriminates against l, g, b, t. 2 people. european union is urging hungary to repeal the law. but budapest is refusing and insist that this is not about discrimination, but rather about protecting children. here's what european commission president ursula from the lions said today, just because it's almost law with homosexuality and gender reassignment on par with pornography just because it uses the protection of the children to which we are all committed as an excuse to merely discriminate against people. because of their sexual orientation yet this law is disgraceful. that is gently the are the strong words they are coming from brussels to talk about that i'm joined now by aaron demetre program director for amnesty international in hungary. join me now from budapest. it's good to have you on the program, aaron. so the european commission president, they are saying that this law is
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a disgrace. let's move beyond words. what, what action do you expect to come from brussels? good. they think, i think the european commission should immediately start an infringement procedure against this low and the basically act strongly and united because of that they, that the best chance that the law will be refilled. people in time. do you know we're organizations in g o as in hungary, words they able to lobby members of parliament against this legislation, which obviously would be standard procedure in a democracy. was that the case there in hunger ration express among our partners? we are also trying to lobby the opposition party. so out of the 6 opposition parties, the current that hungry currently has 5 of them restrained, too old. they didn't show up for there was much in the one your pick. one more
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thing. yes. so i'm not sure whether we can call it the fuck the fuel being, but the tries do you know where this low is coming from? we've heard victor or by the prime minister saying that this is about protecting children. we've heard, while makers is saying that children are under threat from peta files, but that's not true. if we look at the statistics, we know that's not true. so where is this legislation? where's it coming from? it's a very similar legislation, legislation to the so called in famous russian gay propaganda. lo, which was adopted in 2013, basically to copy cash flow. same the facts and with the same intention to stigmatize the order, the one that belle grove and to, to promote the fear and the intolerance. and one prime minister all about says the law is trying to protect children, that that's a lie very simply. this law actually puts children into,
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into harm and need to even a greater, greater danger. what is this law going to do to the lives of l, g, b, t, q, people in hungary it will further marginalize an already marginalized group. our fear is that the it will, it will lead to school bullying. it will lead to a seek in hate crime and to to say the various it could lead very easily $2.00 to $3.00 sides in the community around gender with amnesty international. joining us tonight from budapest, we appreciate your time, your insights tonight. thank you. thank you. oh, a member of the spanish government may have bitten off more than he can chew by calling for people to eat less meat in a country where that idea could easily be called bull. the reaction. well,
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it's been rather strong. the rift even runs through the cabinet spain, a paradise for meet lovers. the country's cuisine as famous for its hams and sausages . but the consumer affairs minister has sparked controversy by suggesting the spaniards should change their eating habits. gibbons idea because what would you think if i told you that excessive meat consumption harms both our health and also our planet, we can change our diet and improve the state of the planet. the minister noted the beef production in particular requires huge amounts of water. and produces greenhouse gases responsible for global warming. some surveys have showed spaniards as europe's top carnivores consuming an average. 98 kilograms of meter year. well above the average of 76. the suggestion to meet and take prompted the prime
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minister to weigh in from an official trip to let the weightier estoppel in this controversy is personal. to me. as far as i'm concerned, there's nothing better than a perfectly done state interesting body. convincing spaniards to change their meet loving ways may prove to be a hard so the and finally, tonight, anyone planning a visit to london this summer and it is possible they can now look forward to a new attraction. for the 1st time, buckingham palace, the queen's residence, is opening its gardens to the public. previously, only guided tours were permitted, but now for a 16 pound admission fee. visitors control the grounds on their own. gorgeous, they're even allowed. i've been told to have a picnic a picnic and buckingham pounds sounds
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the to the point, strong opinion, clear positions, international perspective. when it's sometimes things that we are indeed losing the battle against climate change. does that mean a cruel future for the next generation? certainly the possibility. so why are we so unwilling to change the way we live on lies and find out when to the point to the point dw, the forgotten about for
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a long time. last fabio glue and his colleague rescue traffic again and the piazza the need transforms into a real painting once more. 60 ah. the news. in december 2019 the european councils new president show me show, embarked on a ground breaking mission. i had a clear job to make sure of the 1st time with this. i don't see the name on the planet by 2015,
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but not all member states supported and some persuasion is required. some time when the gain of diplomatic poker, intrinsic power plays, and alliances behind the scenes of the new climate summit starts august 5th on d. w. me. well not. nature's warnings are becoming increasingly drastic. what we used to call extreme events. suddenly the norm and furnace in western canada was temperatures never before registered were shocked and horrified. but we always had things managed to turn away. devastating storm damage in europe, 2 and more denials. so on to the point we ask climate catastrophe. will we ever change our ways with news?
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yes, thank you very much for joining us on the show with us in the studio is paid for in so old and journalists with the humbug based weekly d site. she's convinced that we will change our ways and life will be best. also with this is claudia camphor, from the german institute for economic research. she argues that climate protection means freedom across the generations of fossil free life is not about going without . it's about living a full life and a warm welcome to, to angelica, i'm a christian who is with them. cato institute, also headquartered here in berlin and actually say use for the global. so it's all about reconciling d compensation with justice and poverty alleviation. okay, thank you. very much for all, for all 3 of you for being here today. i'd like to take the 1st question to claudia . it's got to do with the united nations, which is calling the climate change,
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the defining crisis of our time. indeed, un secretary general antonio terrorist says climate change called the climate emergency is a race we are currently losing. however, he insists it is a race we can when you share his up to. yeah, i share his optimism because we are now at a tipping point. also in the discussions we are at a tipping point related also to social participation on the topic we, we have the site is for future movement all over the globe. we have the rulings, for example, in germany, from the general court, but also in other countries. as we see, we see step by step, much faster action than before. and we have lost a lot of time with more discussions last 15 years. but now we have reached a tipping point where we can change, but we have to now we cannot postpone it to the future. fascinating in size,
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great stuff to begin to show with a fair amount of information optimistic information to pay through. you wrote a book about how you and your family for tried to adopt a carbon, neutral lifestyle. how did it go? what did you learn? so we didn't succeed next to your fails miserably, which i don't think if you try, you fail and you try again. we didn't say on all cones. what we did was, was actually happened out of frustration. we were frustrated with the politicians that didn't really act on the facts that we all saw. climate change is effect. we feel it now in canada, if it in germany, we feel over the was a we tried to find out what we personally can do. and we went through a whole year and checked every kind of a personal lives. so clothing traveling, the food we eat, the way we'll live. and we lowered our c o 2 emissions from around 11 tons to 7, which is not actually really good because we need to go down to,
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to couple of things that you can change because you live in a society, you can rebuild your house from scratch. but we work with him in a good way. you, you said it just came into the software to show you, we will live a better life and that, you know, the optimism that you were sharing and maybe you share it to is fascinating to me. where does that optimism come from? because i experience that personally my life is better know that was before, for example, we had a car, we don't have a car now. we live in a city. so it's actually easier than when you live on, on somewhere in a remote area. but it took me about 2 or 3 months to automatically go from when i go to work, to use the bike and the car, i need a certain time to, to, to, to, to, to really get used to the different way of live. and now i don't need to go to a spot to do any longer because i bike to work and i back backwards. so i have the sport every day in my life, which makes my life better. go. wonderful. actually, i know it's a big chance for trying to me a summer, if you can,
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of how this whole climate debate is impacting india. i think it's pretty relevant in india as it is any or else into void. and i think it's pretty, it's a very, very strong conversation that takes place. and i think it's also reflected in the, the sort of the pledge that india made in the past 2015 agreement. and it was, it was achievable and it can go bit further. but the thing is, what pulls back and what maybe restricts the extent to which and guess able to sort of commit or be able to make the extra effort is other priorities that sort of india is right now leading to achieve with the current population with economic growth, not good at that speak. it's got a lot of space where it's going to confuse more, it's going to admit mall. and the ideal sort of a sweet spot would be able to achieve that incremental growth of incremental consumption. but not the additional emission number that the images we tend to see from india foggins smoke, intel in extreme stuff. you don't come from delhi,
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do i do? i wasn't born that, but i spend majority of my dad's life in delhi and i think it will be for a couple of years. you know, it's as bad as the themes in the weather. the air is foggy. the air is it is hazy. it's not clear, it's the, the news does not sort of give a false impression of how pathetic the situation is and, and that have made effort. it's not that people aren't doing anything. the government is not up to it that our dog gets there are objectives that are laid down. there are schemes, but it takes a little more than, you know, i think it's a play. it's the demand type play as well as a splice i played. and i think that moving forward, i mean, we're not in a comfortable situation anymore. it's sort of getting to the red line where, you know, we need to really act and we need to really put, put oil here. and i think sort of, we're still finding the sweet spot available to levy a cost on the extra pollution that's been done, but at the same time not put consumers in a position where they can live
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a happy life. so i think it's a great example daily. i remember that one of the german chances a long time ago made a campaign where he's he said the guy by the rule will be shabby blue again. and it's an area which was july's where a lot of cold and coal mining and coca cola plants there. and he actually made the plight we, i want the people to to have good air quality. so switching from cold to renewables is a good way to increase the to, to, to lead, to give the people a better life. i completely agree with you. yeah, i completely agree with you, but me on some of these communities agreement because you know, the best, the 3 of you and i some of our, of us what states and they're going to say they've all got the same mindset here alter than me to probably yeah, and that mindset is that climate change is a very real challenge. there are other people that are around the world and there are plenty of them who think it's all made up or it's all harmless. claudia,
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what do you say to people like that to the denies? yeah, skeptic. well, it's not the science. what those people refer to because the scientific facts are clear and since that decade clear that the human and deuce climate change is ongoing. and we already see that by now with the extreme events, for example, in canada, i was in russia was phoning for us in finland right now. and the climate ologist tell us that's, that's what we will face in the future. much more than that. we are seeing right now, though they are scientific findings and the skeptics also driven by p r campaign waste also from the fossil fuel lobby to fix that is showing that they are fueling, these p r campaigns in denying and merchants off out. so to, to see doubt is their business model and we have to look to the facts. i'm a scientist, we are a scientist. so the scientific facts,
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would you even without believing in climate change? look at delhi to breathe. good aaron delhi, even without believing and the sack of climate change, one better is difficult to look the other way. but i think, i mean, of course, i mean it's definitely not easy to be going to work everyday, given the attitude surrounded with. and i think the situation sort of, you could find examples of london in singapore where they've had congestion pricing in beijing. and i mean, the solution that our solution is existing across the board, recipes, half face, maybe to not be extended to studies facing but sort of been that and you know, how have efforts and policy measures that have been put in place. and i think it's a bit of both. you have someone who is say that it's, it's on the government. the other one has to make the effort and make sure the, the right policies i'm put in place, we can be changing our lifestyle. so the other things and bad, better the other side, if you know there is a little bit of responsibility and the it falls under can do,
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must make the right choice. that is the deli, metro cycling is particularly not an option given. it's not lean driving. you don't have bike lanes, but it's not something you can you can think of that are from the metro station to the offices. you have bikes being provided. you have to make sure you have multiples of transport a bought from private transport. but i think, i mean, there are, there are many other systemic changes that needs to come up before we. so we leave would be of the, of the blame on just the government or just the consumer can combine all of this. i mean, you can combine also with climate policy. climate policy creates freedom for many countries for the future generations. climate policy also creates the welfare of all the people and increases welfare as well. and climate change is not. it's not the subject of believe it's really a scientific fact. and as a side this, i always have to say that there's not believing into something. it's not a religion, it's facts, it's times and that's where we are all clear on climate policy help a lot. now let's look now at one example of how interconnected our environments,
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how be time. so now our lives have become and that example is domestic build up of plastics in the world's oceans and rivers. a vacuum cleaner is not enough to combat plastic waste on south africa beaches. millions of tons of plastic particles are now deposited on beaches all over the world. the rivers are in fact the arteries of these countries that transport the way from the cities. this also applies to the nile in egypt. here volunteers are also trying to stem the tide of plastic. the fishermen are directly affected because then i see a lot of plot by the name of the plastic bottles and also can all of the trashes ruining my net. and at the same time it's killing the piles of garbage or accelerating species. extinction and climate change. some material takes several 100 years to decompose and will probably never break down completely. meanwhile,
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awareness is growing about the threat this poses to humanity. recycling plants do exist, but they can only recycle a fraction of the ways to produced. this is exacerbated by a throwaway society that has become accustomed to having its needs met everywhere at any time inconvenient packaging should be learned to live without plastics. well, that's the question peter, i'd like to just put it a different way. i mean, we through for huge quantities of stuff, especially plastics, into our oceans and rivers. what does that tell us about mankind? human kind. it tells us that we have a problem. it's much larger than climate change. it is a part of the problem, is this the way we deal with the world? we think the world is just something we can consume and we don't have to get back. we don't have to preserve and we can have ever more. and i think this is a misconception. to certain extent, we have to kind of step back and think what we really need for, for,
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for 18 months. now my newspapers, i've been reading to, there's going to be a big rethink, a big reset because of the pandemic and has changed the way we think. and the way we see the world, especially the klein going to happen. yeah, i think there are tendencies and showing that a lot of people think over whether this strategy of just always more and more and more, and also harming the climate, harming the environment is not a great strategy and we should move away. and now we are learning with video conferences, we are learning more cycling, but always, i mean it's not only a matter of lifestyle, it's also a matter of transformation which brings a lot of challenges. but brings also a lot of chances to all of us, but also to the industrial, to the system itself and a lot of new jobs and sisters that were capitalism versus climate. yeah. so it's not versus it's, it's both together. so the original from the economy can do
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a lot and then really classical social, socio economic and ecological make, make it together in a certain way, social ecological economics. and they say that way is an issue which we can do, but we have to prize in the environmental damage as we have to price that and also the climate damages. and we have to transform. and that brings a lot of challenges, but also shoot economic chances. just let me, let me for the folks who slogan 30 green revolution the growth well, i mean, best, they both are good, right. seminole, as you right now, given the kind of a good estimate. but speaking globally, i think that the drug is something that needs needs of wider audience needs. a wider discussion, needs a wider platform. and right now, if it hasn't happened yet, no, definitely not. it hasn't happened yet. and i think we're still sort of mulling over it, that is a huge class of scientists,
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political scientists that have consider going forward with it in terms of research for the real implementation of it. i don't see the politics the need us picking it up to the extent that it needs to. but if you look at the go this out where you know we've not watch, she is right now still applauds they've not been, we've not even in the position in terms of standard living in terms of well being in terms of growth. where we can look at the growth, but you still have tried in giving carbon neutral dockets. but when, if it be 2060 despite the fact that it was only less than 2 decades ago, that we had a chance at reaching the growth. but i mean having said that, i'd also, i also think that it's not capitalism or climate. and i think it's sort of, you know, working hand in hand because to be able to address the climate issues, we need money and be have the fossil industries which has the money. so we cannot be walking towards solutions by putting them down and, you know, be like, we need the, we need the oil under the ground beneath the gun. yes, we need, but we can't isolate them in a fight, and i think it has to be sort of.

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