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tv   In Good Shape  Deutsche Welle  July 11, 2021 2:30am-3:01am CEST

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the police and i said, we are here. he's next me on fire made for mines me o me. surrogate mothers in ukraine. they have their own children, but also give birth to children for strangers. thousands of children are born this way every year. who are these women? and why did they do this? at the end of the day, this job is the only way to earn money quickly in order to get a roof over our own child's head. the
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last, i know that this child is not mine. i'm only carrying it for other parents. for me, the surrogate business is booming. for many patients, send us frozen sperm. then we carry out the whole process. without them, we fertilize the egg of the biological mother or a donor egg. mm clinics or millions in this way. the stuff that we see that the state has absolutely no control over these fertility assistance programs. there's a huge gray area for childless couples from all over the world. ukrainian surrogate mothers are their last glimmer of hope . really want to have children want to be a parent has such
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a basic i denise and jim meissner from whom time and then are embarking on a very special journey today. what time is 4120 pm. yes, you're right. they want to fly to ukraine to their child, which a surrogate mother will soon give birth to lasting longer to get here. and now we just really want to be able to get her straight away. her daughter is to in 10 days, if she takes up the money she takes up to her, daddy to be on my co. yes. let's see. the main
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thing is that she's healthy and that we're able to reach her back when my wife says it's been a long road. that means it's been on our minds for the last 4 years. we tried artificial insemination several times here in germany. we really tried many, many times. we had a total of 5 attempts in germany, all of which failed to get the fun. then we decided to go to ukraine and had yet another failed attempt there, before our surrogate mother actually got pregnant with our little one. that's actually, lima mits was like lines in germany. surrogacy is prohibited in ukraine. it's legal. they signed the contract with the agency a year and a half ago. she said, it's not common that many couples from germany and other parts of europe, all around the room, travel to ukraine, to sarah. to see option is the
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me b o. text. com in kiev is the largest fertility company in ukraine. people wanting to start a family come here from all over the world. yes and denise, my snap child was also conceived here in the laboratory. i'm not totally lucky. the owner of the company is a self confident business man. his fertility empire includes clinics, agencies and laboratories. he accommodates surrogate mothers and parents to be in his own hotels and apartments of any patients and frozen sperm because they can't come here to for example, chinese patients from asia or people from argentina or brazil. and they send their sperm and we carry out the program. without them we fertilize the egg of the birth mother or a donor a proposal. but she is under this lauren's microscope with them. we can see what
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is called a p j. d signature book, which is used to determine the sex nipple. this is because we have customers who specifically want either a boy or a girl because magically to begin with. hopeful parents pay $40.00 to $60000.00 euros for a child to she loves peace, company earns and millions. at the beginning of the corona crisis, his clinic became known worldwide because more than 50 children, carried by thir, again, could not be picked up by their parents. pictures of the waiting babies went around the globe. geotech. com has also repeatedly made negative headlines, including accusations of child trafficking. and italian couple that had arranged for their child to be conceived at the clinic, found out through a dna to that they did not share any genetic material with the child. the child was
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taken away from them. a court case ensued that they should be some good to start group and 2010. i had just opened the clinic, remove those were just my 1st programs. of course this is a tragedy, but this is not human trafficking. that's just ridiculous with us, just what does human trafficking have to do with any of this? this was a medical error due to negligence in the lab was hello. the court case has been settled. he assures us, his laboratories would now perform double checks when fertilizing eggs is much more difficult. he tells us to find surrogate mothers, hundreds of ukrainian women between 18 and 40 are under contract with biotech. com, he says, but the demand is steadily increasing. there is really a fight over surrogate mothers here, and there are enough patients for all the agencies, but there are not enough surrogate mothers. that is the reason why having great
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mediators is so important for me. alina con, on income, is one such mediator. however, not for b, o tech. com. she works with other agencies. it's a huge market. she says. what colors are the flowers? red? good, are you in the trees with the green after the birth of her son, nikita, the 25 year old has twice worked as a surrogate mother herself. once for an american couple, and once for a ukrainian couple financial hardships, she said is the main reason why women work as surrogate mothers in ukraine. i grew up as an orphan and the date never supported me. never gave me an apartment
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. i had my child when i was 20, and i had no idea where to go now because i had a stipend of $100.00 in an apartment cost 50 mile of what was going to do. so i worked as a surrogate mother and bought an apartment with lena 6 contact with potential surrogate mothers on special internet forums. was this coming friday? yes. want look, i'm inside that's years took i thought well, yes, and i always look at the comments i need. yes. there are girls who are afraid to write a private message, i'm sure. so i posted an ad for them here. oh, well if, if not every week i send about 5 to 7 girls to the clinic and they're scream or bad . a girl can participate only if she doesn't drink, doesn't take drugs,
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and doesn't have any diseases. over the years from the catholic lena also wants to be a surrogate mother, a 3rd time soon to earn money again for herself and her son. yes and denise might now have been staying in a key of suburb for 2 weeks now. their daughter is due date was 4 days ago, but she's keeping them waiting. the last time we were here, we always said the next time we can, we might already be able to pick up our child here that we didn't know that. yes, that was at the time with the kids during the puncture. an egg was taken from denise and then mixed with vianza sperm, genetically. it's her child. even if the child is growing in a stranger, we kept in touch with the agency who had to be on for the can fill in. we plan to get to know her helped us all. not a good word b,
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o tex lounge this following the birth to have personal contact if both sides want to and that's what we want. and we have found out that our surrogate mother eula, has said that she would like to meet us was, can, can then we're not sure. of course it was strange for the 1st whole the idea, sorry just to deal with things that the contracts we had to sign everything because she somehow think, okay, it's all about bringing the child into the world and then read a contract about it. i'm sure you can do this part without me. i think i got this to this given us the ultimate release. of course we would have liked to become parents naturally, and we would have liked to see the child grow and my wife's body and watch her belly gets bigger and bigger and i think of it. but that just didn't work out for us. then we decided on a surrogate and hum, via included the lamb to soften. she to be completely honest. we have to say it was
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the price in the, in the try this to ukraine because it cost about a 3rd of what it would have cost in the us at them. for many desperate couples. ukraine is their last chance for a child. and unlike in america, where clinics charge $150000.00 or more for fertility programs, it's more affordable. but these bargain prices carry risks, says renowned lawyer, sergey until nov. he specializes in reproductive law. ah, this is the 1st look she's not with but i'm probably no one knows how many contracts are signed with hopeful parents. and what happens to the children. often
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they are not real agencies, but just one or 2 people. if they are not regulated, not registered anywhere, and they do not pay taxes on you. because i think, and this applies to 60 percent of all fertility companies and ukraine, your dish capital in the end, they carry no responsibility for the mistakes that are made on your last year. there were several cases where embryos were mixed up. the emphasis from the french dark skinned couple was given a fair skin to child dealing with the and there were other scandals where the dna test did not match the parent. this in the, in the in 2019 alone 9 couples came to me when the dna test could not be confirmed to me, but me following the ukrainian parliamentary election in 2019 lawmakers promised to finally create laws. there were proposals for reforms including by sergey anton off, but unfortunately nothing happened. the large fertility clinics are not interested
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in changes or not from what. we know how our parliament works with often laws are past due just for certain business interest. so unfortunately, reproductive medicine has also fallen prey to this situation and that is no law has been passed yet most of the good, not the uncertainty is advantageous for some of the movement. and this continues to the state has absolutely no control over the reproductive programs on offer assessment control. up until now many issues have not been clarified. for example, what happens to a child who is born disabled and whose parents do not come to pick it up? in ukraine, the law only stipulates that surrogate mothers must have at least one child of their own. and that intended parents are not homosexual. and must have had at least 4 failed artificial insemination like ins. denise, my,
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it's not for them. the big day has come have never been so excited. their daughter was born 3 days ago. they were not allowed into the hospital because of corona today. the hand over is to take place in a hotel right after their daughter's birth. a dna test was able to confirm that their daughter was a genetic match. in a few minutes, they will see their child for the 1st time. then the car finally arrived with their daughter allow her, an employee from the agency has brought the baby here from the hospital here. hello,
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to howling. having you know, my darling she has her hair. she sleep soundly just like i think accurately as we're very happy. she's already had her 1st check up from the doctor. and so far everything looks good. it's good because he's healthy. he's already 18 something. good healthy, i'm tied in ins and denise vice, now i have to stay in ukraine for another 3 weeks. they still have to visit the
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authorities and the german embassy, so that lau becomes their daughter by law. they will also meet their surrogate mother. you will, you know, for the 1st time me, uriah not being lived in a village, 3 hours away from kias. just 3 days ago. the 30 year old returned here from the clinic. she's already been a surrogate mother twice. she has a husband and a 7 year old daughter. together, the small family lives in cramped quarters at her parents small home doing a class which you taught all this is my daughter's desk where she does her homework . discuss by now this or not. we sleep here, stop this one
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and this is our living room. e and my brother's room, but this, my daughter stuff is over there. it's a run. your screen could be like a baby about this bear when i came home from the clinic and cooper that it's a gift for my daughter. well, the good the, because i was away from home for so long. but me. if the 1st photo of my daughter with my husband and mother in law crying tears of joy at the time, i guess it's like that with your 1st child. just a week ago, she was still pregnant with denise and jens madness, baby girl. her family has mixed feelings about her job. guess i will go to
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the school, of course my husband was against it, but i talked to him, explained everything to him, and then he understood it really well. false false incident more dad sees what i do pretty negatively, you know, because he does not understand how you can give away a child that has been growing inside. you know, because i stand by what i do doing this child is not mine. i'm only carrying it for other parents better for your particular suit, keep vendors out of after the birth i blood a lot and wasn't conscious for almost a day. oh, i had general anesthesia and never saw the child feel like this is not my child. maria happen to be and so i have no special feelings toward her. i'm looking at my mom, my mother and my 3 sisters understand that because miss miss. and they always knew
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that i could build their new house with the money from the 3rd to see. that's why they didn't ask many questions. thought up by them. personally, i just felt also particular right next to her parents home is her late grandmother's, small house. you know, wants to move here with her husband and daughter very soon. oh nice. did we just since now? now we're in the kitchen. and that's where the shower goes. think a fridge. that's basically everything. principally. show this with this and this will be our living room and my daughter's room. my would have gone for was about all of the service the money to get over
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with us mom. i think it with them. and then as we finally, we will be able to live alone as it goes, listen, you go, but she will be independent. i won't have to listen to anyone. nobody can tell me what to do. i don't know, but we've been planning a long time for a little kingdom of our own. thanks to the 3rd of the money we can now realize our dream of finally becoming independent from our parents were present in typically the, the people in the village know about her work as a surrogate mother. you will, ya has never hidden it, but she knows that there are still many prejudices. that's why she doesn't want to show her family or her daughter in front of the camera.
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so, there is hardly any work at the moment, especially for young people. that's why young mothers decide to work as surrogate mothers, so that they can provide for themselves. and their families usually has received 16000 euros for her work as a surrogate for the german couple. that is several times her husband's annual salary. junia is still considered the child's mother under german law. that is why she will soon meet with denise and yan smyser. and for the 1st time see the baby girl lough her that she gave birth to. ah, the german embassy in kiev, one week later. this is where the ukranian surrogate mother and the german parents meet for the 1st time. you are, you has brought a gift for the baby, a traditional ukrainian dress. that's very sweet,
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very sweet. thank you very much. is on this way. why it's my mom was i'm, if you we my husband is with you. yeah. sorry. good. my thought at the german embassy louis as 5 years now, granting my husband power of attorney. i said that he can determined that we can leave without a b and then decide everything in germany without alignment right now. and the german law an nobody to address in germany. i have to talk to because according to german law, mother is the person who came to the child and on a ukrainian birth certificate is the child genetic makeup that comes with it. and that way, in smiling on for the german couple, the 1st contact with the surrogate mother feels good. the fluid has, did you let, will not. so it feels that she has spent the last 9 months with this because she was always so present even without us being here with all mature,
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always carried on our and i, when we actually got to meet her in person, i might be puzzled with and then you think, my god, how do you even say thank you. i hope that she's for just great for me. 2 weeks later you am at vanco returns to kiev. once again, she has to confirm to a notary and the registry office that she is getting lough her up for adoption, and that the child is allowed to live in germany. for the 30 year old, this is the end of her role as a surrogate. she just wants to buy a gift for her own daughter, and then go straight home with those
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from a ha. i'm glad that i helped these parents give birth to a baby girl. yeah, i'm really happy that they have this little bundle of joy. that's come with a guy that way is what i was in a long way or get mothers understand that we are able to make these parents happy. after all, i am a mother. i have a child too. for me, this is definitely such a great joy. this is the most precious and important part of a mother's life. you knew you would like to work as a surrogate mother again, but it's not possible. unfortunately, i will not be able to do this again. so i bled a lot after this for to change. the doctor said that i probably wouldn't have any more children. it was. my future is my child. rather than waiting on
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the denise and genes nice now are back in his and the 2 of them are open about the fact that a ukrainian surrogate mother gave birth to their daughter. they say they would have never had this opportunity in germany. and we just think it sat in the country like germany that not all the possibilities are exhausted because yes, exactly. it's one of the most conservative countries when it comes to reproductive medicine. monday people always talk about wanting children and always think it runs so much deeper than it up. and if you really want to have children, if you really want to be parents, if you just want to keep all the love you have to little be that's not a wish. it's a basic need. sorry to see was the right path to take. in fact, cannot course,
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