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ah, as an every day jewish life in europe that's rarely shown away from politics, the middle east and anti semitism. it was important for us to fontane as leak over and capture what's going on with alice is one of the most significant jewish film produces in europe. i felt it was important to have this perspective to tell the story of europe, jewish community as we traveled across the continent. eve kugal, mine has always played a big role in our family, to the editor in chief of the magazine, tankless. and he's written so many articles that we discussed together over mealtimes. so i was really keen to work with the news,
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the who's who's we're now meeting a woman with a very unique family history. and she grew up in east germany in east berlin as a socialist in a family that vehemently rejected 2 days. and now she has a very strong jewish identity. when would come to us and my mother came from a very german family, a jewish family that had assimilated the temporary when they couldn't get baptized
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enough to get rid of the jewishness. so i wanted to belong when boys didn't want anything more to do with judaism and all the funny traditions. and it had a slight air of protestantism about it, as well as of the gun all. but actually, victor klemperer, one of our more famous relishes wrote in his diary that he could not get rid of his jewishness. yeah. the same article to see what you would just send me my number. and it was the same with my mother and my father came from glee in levine and the former austro hungarian m embedded in lived with his parents in berlin, shawn infertile district. and he grew up at a very interesting time. he said to his father, i know what i think is the bar mitzvah is the last thing i'm going to do for you. and then you can stick it for the one across the street. there was the central
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committee of the communist party on low plot, and that's now rosa luxembourg plot. but you just switch to the other side of the street. us like to better there and decided to join the movement of if you and there were also many, many jews. there is. so he went into exile in 1933 and then fought in the spanish civil war and the french resistance and so on. with a gun in his and i sent you the, the ass. and so when he came back to east germany, it was the question of cognitive resonance. he had to be on this side of socialism or everything he done, there would be meaningless. wonder in socialism, religion was seen as unnecessary, superfluous and reactionary. there was no longer a jewish culture. it was reduced to religion. so that meant when they returned to germany, they weren't allowed to be jews anymore. they had to leave the jewish community if they wanted to become that we also had relatives from west berlin,
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who always came to our house for dinner on saturday. it was funny because as a kid, i only knew about judaism indirectly. for example, my mother went tell me and so on, you had just left the temple and imagine says greek temple him with columns and stuff in my name please him, i didn't know what it was. i didn't think it was anything bad. i just thought it was something they had their dog and that fact and, and don't tell them there's pork in the goulash. there was always little things like that. so we didn't celebrate shabba, but it was a ritual that they would come to us after templeton campus. okay. and so let's say you're having white have my white line. yes. i do all the time that i'm supposed to
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sit up on me and him and i are on our way to poland and, and feeling pretty queasy about it. that's totally understandable. your parents, a holocaust survivors from poland with a history like that. it's no wonder you feel that way. yes, it's painful response. yes i so i found the journey very firing so far as a journalist, i've spent a lot of time grappling with the problems of judaism going out. here. we've seen diversity being experienced in a totally different way. i'm not talking to you. all i know is today as them is a lot of us, it's vibrant, broad, low,
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realistic. and it's something that really is all about every day. it's only when you specifically ask people about it that you get into questions of anti semitism and debate about the middle east. about that i never would have thought that judaism could be live openly. i really thought more say and even more so. and it makes me think, because the way i grew up was very different in berlin, and then there was a huge security presence everywhere. outside the kindergarten schools, outside the synagogue, the community center line. there were huge numbers. the security guards, mainly israelis class. sure, there were a few in france to guarding the jewish side, but i didn't find it nearly 10 unless it was very impressive.
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when we were in berlin, which is my hometown, we saw young israelis opening businesses making art launching, start out. and it's a cool thing to do and they themselves are very cool back to back. but i still think they don't have the confidence that jewish people in france just program. i don't think they can live that life span. as i said, i've capital a lot in poland and eastern europe, and i'm curious to see how things have changed in recent years, especially the building of new jewish communities, all my stuff. and i hope to learn something by talking to the people. and that's what i'm most excited about at the moment. what we could talk from what we all know how poland has developed. and i suspect that there's growing right wing population of all the tax on democracy and liberalism, or another movement that directly targeting do day is going to have future shift.
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i'm very curious about that mortgage fund. ah, cruise . a lot has changed here in recent years in terms of jewish life and how it's progressed. we're on our way to the jewish school in warsaw that has 30 percent jewish and 70 percent non jewish children. yes, it's nice that there are 2 schools here again at all. go to finish. a couple of sad that will be such a show to they don't have to write on the
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prayer, but we have somebody meeting so we have to lose and time on friday. so for everyone, everyone everyone's celebration, we don't celebrate tunnel. we go through the jewish kind of, we are closed for jewish holidays and in the curriculum. and in the celebration we only have church. they learn 3 hours of jewish subjects, 3 hours to sky room. so it's additional 6 hours, which is the last person for small. so it's like significant amounts and they feel that they know they're in school. the impossible to ignore the fact so and it's very important for jewish community and between among the children. is there any time any issue between on this level on jewish kids have problems with the other one saw? no, no, it's never tells me. oh no. they grow up together. they know each other from being
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3 years old girls, they start in the kindergarten and usually they just grow into the next level. so that is the model of piece for exactly our nation to show you days and also propose people from now they are our i'm back in the high school and when that goes to the, the may almost have nicer schools here than we do in switzerland. i'm impressed that the school has a totally jewish character, even though the majority of the children aren't jewish in our school. it's the complete opposite. we're now entering the oni synagogue, and was told that it wasn't destroyed during the 2nd world war. so they were, all of these was in full and a half a dozen times in the, in the 70s or eighties,
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which wasn't the most popular thing to do as somewhat supposedly normal and american jewish way from when i went in by the late seventy's been meeting young pulse had recently discovered the jewish identity, which really deduced me to a whole world, which certainly, you know, 30 years, no one was talking about. and that is how come there needs was less than poland today. september 1st 1939 world war 2 begins. at that point there are 3 and a half 1000000 jews in poland. the heart, the soul bash can as the world. only 5 years later, 90 percent 90 percent no longer a live having been murdered by germans and accomplishes. the statement is over restrict most people will say well, how many g survive? 10 percent survive? meaning that in poland after the show, after world war 2, there were still 350000 jews. and colon more, she was in poland,
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946 in the u, then the u. k. today, what are they? the vast majority of the polish jewish survivors let fall and the 25 years after world war 2. if you wanted to feel safe saying the statement, i image you a couple 100000 left tens of thousands state, a small proportion, but still tens of thousands who then had children and grandchildren. many times, not even telling them your average or deep dark family secret state chic over 50 years. 39 to 89900. 89 fall of communism at which point the not so young survivors are confronted with the question. do i feel safe enough today? to tell my children, grandchildren fed colleagues, neighbors that i'm really jewish since 1989. and we don't know how many. but since 1989, thousands. and perhaps even some tens of thousands of polls have discovered they have 2 issues. and that's the story of jewish, poland today. how many jews they're living here in fossil and important right now.
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so i can say that without a doubt the number of jews that live in warsaw, poland. nobody knows. because of the fact that people are still discovering. i spoke last week in a small town, not famous. and they asked me very much to come. there was a group of intellectuals. they wanted to hear about judaism, said, you know, i'm also go to a small place and get in the car, the person picking the help. when he turns to me, he says, you know, i am pulse or something like jewish. my great grandmother was jewish. my mother's mother's mother was jewish, so i looked at when i said, you know, you're not something like jewish. you are jewish. and so how many jews are there? and i don't know, but it's plus one. ah,
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[000:00:00;00] ah, ah, yes. healed my sponsor, the cemetery is where the resistance fighters of the 1942 was so gas uprising, a barrier to science. he'll take legal helix. this is where the commander is buried through, died in 2009 on monic 8 on he was a doctor and a hero. any of the resistance, but also later in the solidarity movement. solid almost vehicle. yeah.
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mostly in the warsaw ghetto. there was a hero before, during and after the war you see him all these graves are a former comrades in arms, and there are lots of women among them to have a sugar and one's heart warming isn't all the people who live here are clearly the jews that refused to be led like lambs to the slaughter as the fema thing goes. god, but alas, there so they didn't know what was coming. but it just shows that there were people who stood up. thought who took action, who mustered all the courage they could to defend the jewish people. it's very impressive. i think it was. it happened more than people realize how they feel the traditional story of the marker base and how they stood up and fall back. and the jews never given the credit they did done. there was so many who stood up and defended themselves. all of those in the resistance the partisans wanted to under
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communism. it's often forgotten how many jews were involved in mumbo but edelman was also a hero. among polish people, and he's still well known today. thank. this is a memorial for the fighters that the was to get uprising and in the center of the monumental light motor car on your laving, which was the young leader of the uprising lance to just a few weeks. but it was barren often about how to sell the house. ah, ah, that was for us, very obvious, but we don't want to focus only on holocaust. we never, ever are daring to diminish the tragedy, but without showing 1000 years of reach civilization, culture, jewish life,
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it's kind of a, you know, you are missing the whole context. first of all, and that's our mission, is to bring back the history and memory about jewish life and jewish culture. so we knew that we would like to make the story about 1000 years. by the way, the only museum of this kind you can find in fact, in the television, israel has fulfilled diaspora museum. but we decided that we will focus on the history here in poland. and why the so many jews came to conan a 1000 years ago? well, they came in fact most may be 1000 but 800 years ago, there are few factors, 1st of all, rulers who are encouraging jews to come here to settle to pay taxes. they became part of economical system. instead of rulers were giving protection to jewels. so they can make fields pay here. please keep in mind that
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that's the moment. 1213th 14th century, when jews are expelled from western europe, there expels from england from france, from spain. and they find here the shelter their home. can you tell us something about who is kasha and cinema simple one before we're 2nd. yes. sure. that was really the moment of kind of the golden age for jewish culture. please keep in mind that in poland, before the war there were 3 medium, 300 jews. who are living here were so was the 2nd biggest jewish city apart from new york. and the jews discovered that they can have secular culture in earlier periods juice, basically their, their culture was very connected to religion. now they found that dish, their mother wash and their, their home language. it might be used for theaters for movies, for pieces, for books. so you have to please keep in mind that for these 3000300 people,
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they were so interested in everything. so they were creating their own culture. the ah, ah saga is a question is what's happened in hungry in recent years and what impact has it had on minority including jews? there's an undercurrent that goes way back and far right part is that one created by vague to all bomb, but he can press the button at any time with that. i think it's the fear that many jewish people in europe have. they know that this mechanism, one lol yourself into a sense of security and someone can come along and change everything in an instant like internally with the f d wrapped call out of their home soon as you put food in front of them. and that's exactly what's happening. that's the undercurrent wrong and hungry must have been preparing itself for that for
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a long time. surely they've always had an undercurrent of people, maybe 15 to 20 percent, or even more, for not only anti semitic, but also anti democratic. who want strict leadership, and you really do see that in a lot of european countries, that these people are totally dormant until they can come up to the lot. with the fact shows that the world is more complex than we tried to make. some of their biggest anti semi so also defenders of israel. so everything's changing a little and as long as it's not anti jewish in any way, why shouldn't you be allowed to criticize israel's government? which incidentally made
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by liberal jewish families as ever it's only for boys, girls are apparently so worth listen, judaism. you're right. equality is a big topic within today's jewish communities. and i hope things change very that's a very tradition which is not returned in the tom wasn't about a 100100 years. we do. there is a sentence in the, in the bible in that it's hard, it's very hard for me to, to translate in there in that, in the bible to, to edition we, we are, we knew the boy like, like at 3 and there and you know, we are not allowed that the rabbi stays and thursday we are not allowed to work for the 1st 3 years to take the fluids from the, from the 3. so the compares somehow. we, the,
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this is the boy that we believe is hair for 3 years. it's not because of the power, but we do believe that when he will be 3 years or even able to recognize the midst of all i'm putting this here. it's a symbol shot mixture. look, i'm putting this around. you shall go sticky, but now i'm going to put on your kid with the ones that he has already. and this is 124 and okay, 100. 24 is your no need put it in here. the
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ah ah ah, i call is texting to your message. i really do. if you ask me, who am i will take like this, this matter? yeah. working a lot to find the sample. it's like so it's so it's not heavy and it's like not so sweet but very so it's like we're trying away with this. just see the arrow here, but you have also typical jewish. ok. yes, i have my flow for example, and this is this little hungry area cake and it's something like you dish and mom live. you know, like other child they the,
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that they want to have some cakes for holiday to all the stuff in the green. one in the life pop is please add to plum jam and not, not how important is the jewish influence and think in every way. so one way the flow of me, which i ring the christmas fair and the big hungary and holidays is because i could be very important to people get know that and people always buy sex. and the other hand, i think everything i have in myself is something like this other music, is it like how i do business? how i love to work? how i love to make cakes? so all my ideas where they came from, what i learn, i think it's, oh, this is bigger. and you said everything about every cora siobhan, you need there is
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a place where you are. it's not just my days i rolling and rolling the end of the day, you just be like yes, want to be happens and i don't have so many time because you know, like i have visited to the and go i would go together. finally, like my husband and in the holidays. so, but everybody of my friends there, some of them always in watch. you can come or come come. i can say much for some people, it's always like a table learning and it's very relaxed because you know that she will see them and with each other and you can keep me in every jewish person. we talk to in budapest and tell us it's a great place to live there, jews,
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but also hungarians at heart in equal measure. see how great everything is. how fantastic life is here. it's very, we read non talk about or on about interest images and from the big party. i feel like it doesn't really work at the so it's always the comes. that's just how it is . when you actually go into these places, you get a much more varied perspectives. conflict built in the outside perspective that we have from the media and perhaps doesn't correlate with what the people tell you. but maybe that just shows that the situation isn't black and white. and it's neither right or wrong because the great synagogue is this way. it's an exciting place for all of europe, really, because it's a place that represents a modern debate about 2 days and which direction should it go from y'all? should it open up reform liberal young about it was built
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it's the location of the 1st ghetto. it was here that the jewish population was 1st separated and segregated. the vanish later contributed significantly to the development of jewish intellectual. as for example, in early printing and economic rise, just like to be a jew here in the 16th century, live with the despite all the difficulties was a very exciting time, jewish life, jewish printing, economy and culture developed enormously and radiated out into europe. ah
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ah ah ah, the if he would sit now a tooth reading of the 17th century, the ghetto would they have played this kind of music at the wedding? so absolutely, but what was special about the ghetto, of course, is probably if you went to a german jewish wedding, they would have german music with the little italian music put in if you went to a what they call the $1100.00 jews. so from north africa, they went out of spain, sephardic tooth, and they ended up, they went to africa,
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and then they ended up in venice. lane motor talks about their music, their liturgical music being turkish founding. so i think they also, they're instrumental music. what have the interpret south in spanish, the same for spanish and of course for italians and we're living in the ghetto at the time where the carnival m a committee of the last day was really starting. so that would have had an enormous influence as well on the instrumental music. ah, the good news, i think i think this journey has shown me that jewish communities are very diverse
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and vibrant every day. life has been shaped not by foreign politics, which is the impression that we always get. but by question, how can we continue to live the jewish life? can we establish on sounds like a lot of jewish centers are being built with? people are trying to open new ones about i feel that there is a lot of vitality that suited because of a thing. and i imagined it being very different. i come from berlin, where all our schools are guarded by police and israeli security. and i thought it probably be similar. another country, poland, for example, my parents are both holocaust survivors from poland. and there's been such positive progress in wars. the loudest mandation has allowed them to build these new schools . there's a really young jewish life growing in flourishing and blossoming. there was such
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a surprising momentum. there was when my service was put up. if i didn't vote a pass, do you see how briefly they go about life fans maintaining a jewish community of 60000? if you look at it from the outside, without going there might assume they're doing badly. the political situation is terrible today, and it is terrible. but they're making something of their own from it. it was, i don't just adapt to the regime. they had their own position, their establishing jewish life there because they think it will along our lives. the regime was links that i say on the other hand, you have a big interest in medic, racist movement. that in certain circumstances can lead to jews either assimilating completely or believing leaves aware of when jews have had the free decision to leaving, then they've just left it. there's nothing holding them back in an environment that marginalize is all threatened someone. even if we're good examples of that on the
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trends in families and communities that are primarily concerned with day to day long and not with big politic, i'm just trying to establish a good life as best they can. and if they can't, the job to the community and vice versa, if the community and above all of the politics can't keep them safe, then they simply leave here in venice. in particular, you can see how everything just close together to father dues, asking the lemon juice. and it's actually a good ending our journey in the ghetto, the old canto in europe. and because it shows that i'm on the one hand, you had exclusion and control of it. on the other hand, you had protection. there was a battle sauce on the cancer. here with a wonderful synagogue, was much better than many, many other get before where there was radical exclusion at the gym. and it also reveals the picture that's much bigger than it's open in involve name
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b. me are you going to get this all day in the ghetto? there are synagogues and the community offices. your field, is it called leave? you see i was born 100 meters per year and attended a jewish school here in the ghetto east. it was a small school with classes of students. many dates today from the community is very small, so that the source of the ways only bring the 1st person from my family. arrived in 1500. and there was an old metal foundry, a tallying for a foundry. ghetto. so it's thought that's where the word comes from. so to me,
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when the war between spain, france, austria, and the holy seats, a place against the troops arrived here and bennett, who he and the jews he saw refuge in venice avenues a mon operator, please. very easy, they arrived in the early 1500 who is it brought me to venice. resist in all the military efforts of spain, france of austria, and the holy c mission. patricians decided to do god a favor and to build a ghetto and venice to keep the juice here it did on a fairly good. so didn't easy. while e seat leave, the old ghetto was to control the jews who were considered foreigners. already from the mid 16 hundreds, another 5000 jews came here. which was the most there ever was something in little after that you'll things slowly started to decline. this is how many are there
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today? i'll say go for the 2nd world war, there were 1200 jews here. 204 were deported. and after the war, there were 1000 gaily see me today. there are 400 of our song capital. so you feel more into some of them today than you used to will not will remo mom, but they say no, i don't feel any anti semitism here. but of course there are problems with the conflict in the middle east. we own, but relation here are fine market, but it also if you can have nothing official arm that you did, but it's not a problem in italy. italy is a country of disorder. sometimes a bit chaotic. may dollar men, but for now the country is keeping the disorder under control and more long use of the day the going to lead this all ah,
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the whenever and here my heart just burst yes, there's a very special atmosphere on a friday afternoon and the fan is cancer and so it's nice that we're ending our journey here today. people prepare for shabbat and go to the synagogue, and then for dinner. ah, i'd normally be doing that right now to lighting candles with my family, seeing the kiddish. but i'm very happy to see how they do things here. ah, today you have to spend it with me. we've been invited along later, and we're meeting after the synagogue you have the feeling in many parts of europe, but jewish, lightest, blooming and blossoming again, prizing. but whether it will continue to develop this way in the future, it's hard to say the civil society
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