corporate ers and people that helped not only us troops, nato troops, and there just, it seems like there's, you can be left behind to be slaughtered by the very brutal people and it breaks my heart. that exclusive enter your interview with the former a president conducted by our washington bureau chief in his pull. and we can go to right now to get some more insight into what was being said. very striking comments . there is a give us a says how he felt about the pull out. yeah. well, he really thinks that this is a huge mistake and will lead to k as enough gone. this done what he said and later, you know, this whole interview was said in a very personal take. we could talk to him in his summer home in maine and i really believed what he said, that he really is deeply concerned. he's deeply concerned. what does he fear most?

well, you know, to give you a little bit of a perspective on international viewers as many of the long time, conservative republicans. bush also still believes that the goal to fight terrorism in the middle east was necessary. and now he things that is far too dangerous to leave off, gone his tongue to the taliban as they has really started to make ground in the country. so this is kind of the big picture. now of course, the current president, the president, jo, buying a very different approach. he has defend that the rapid withdrawal from of gone stone. just last week he said that america did not go to the region to do a nation building to think listen to what he said. exactly, and we'll continue our conversation. after that, we did not go to afghanistan to nation bill. it is the right and the responsibility of the afghan people alone to decide their future and how they want to run their country. so what was ines president bush's original objective when he launched the

war and got us down to decades ago? well, he initiated this war and gone is done as part of his white. i was go to fight the war and terrorism after 911 after the 911 attacks. and then we have to remember that was a real fear about global terrorism than not only in the united states, but all around the world. but again, after 20 years of the war ended, its tension kind of got modeled and became extremely unpopular here in the united states and also around the world. so it's very, very difficult to justify its reason to stay enough gone this done. you were there with him in that very intimate setting that you outlined for us. did you get a feeling that the former president, president bush was criticizing indirectly, president to bind well show that obviously have a very, very different approach spite and once to end this war. because he cannot justify

the reasons to stay. and also it was actually former president trump who started the withdrawal. i think it wasn't really the intention of president bush to criticize bite in directly because we really mainly talked about an american and her legacy. but yes, obviously they do have very different takes you get a sense in conclusion that he regrets ever launching that war i do not think so. it is said speculation, but as we just saw and heard in this little clip you played layla. i think you really deeply believes that the war was good for mainly women and girls and have gone on and was a possibility to really make their lives better. and that this opportunity, that this possibility now is destroyed by the withdrawal washington bureau chief in

a poll reporting. thank you very much. i'll leave the tv is standing by in kabul. and she has extensively reported from there and has been covering the needle mission in of gone it's done for years. so good to have you with all the for president bush weighing in. you just heard calling the withdrawal from i've gone on a mistake. is that a view that is shared with the people and the leadership and have gone on? i think the people on the sun, they knew, i mean the writing was on the wall that says, you know, interview, this invasion, whatever you want to call it was going to end at some point. and ever since trump was very obvious that it was gonna happen fairly soon. but what frustrates the avalon people is not necessary. you know, they were saying if you're in a go go, just tell us lend. but more than anything don't leave without some kind of condition. you know, there are no conditions on the call of on there are no conditions on the government

. there is no real impetus to for either side to go and seriously take on the peace talks and don't. right. now there is no emphasis on the title of bond for any kind of a fire or reduction in violence. the fact that they just that we're leaving with no restrictions with no with, with no condition type with people more than anything, no strings attached. as you are reporting now, he mentioned, which was also quite interesting in that exclusive do you know the news reports that the people that he's most worried about are the women the children are the vulnerable groups, like the interpreters and the people who helped the troops that have been based in have gone, is done for 2 decades. what is their situation right now? you know, the situation of interpreters is difficult because they were on the front lines of this. you know, they were standing beside foreign soldiers going into villages. they were involved

in interrogation, although at that time their identities were hidden. but it's fairly easy for tyler bond to figure out who people were. now to tell one has issued a statement saying if they really express remorse or repentance for what they did, you know they will let them go. but there is no guarantee of that because there's no real system in place for that. how can you prevent who are you? and how can you convince them you know enough that you are repentant, that they won't actually come after? the situation for them is very dire. situation is very died. and can you also speak to the situation of are gone, women and children? i will the, the games that they have made in the past couple of years. are they last well, i think we have to remember that, you know, these aren't gains necessarily. all of them, a lot of them are regains that. you know, women had rights, children right before the occupation, you know that things were evolving at that point. so it's not as if the us came and

magically all the things appeared. the other thing is that there have been a lot of difficulties along the way. you know, women still have difficulty finding jobs, access to education, and there is still a major issue. so to say that, you know, everything is great at this moment and also not necessarily real estate. but of course, there is fear that if the taliban come back to power that they may go back to their old ways of $996.00 where women besides doctors were not allowed to step out of the house where they were controls on what you wore on, you know, media consumption on all of those kinds of things. so that's why it's so important for the taller bond to really put out a list of exactly what they expect. if they are to come to power. what will the legacy be of 2 decades of us presence and i've gone to stein and what do you make of the former president, the president who launched that war in afghanistan to top of the taliban? i think is very interesting that he's suddenly, you know,

concerned about women and children because, you know, his war made a lot of what all of them made a lot of children or friends. you know, there was a lot of, you know, there were, there were one dish and there was a ton of imprisonment. there is night, raise their stroke strike, there's air shape. there's all kinds of things that if you're concerned about civilian, you should've thought about during his own administration. as for the legacy, i mean, the fact that we're having these questions, the legacy, right? the fact that the tall bond is still able to pose a threat to, to, to the government, enter the security forces. the fact that we're still having these battles in the fact that we're still asking what might happen to women, to children, through interpreters, you know, 20 years down the line. that is the legacy it is, you know, what really was achieved for. so asking these questions 20 years later, all the fear journalists to in couple of thank you so much for waiting and greatly appreciate it. and

a programming and notes will be broadcasting our exclusive interview with the former us president george w bush in full here on the w news throughout the day. he also talks extensively about german trump, anglo american ahead of her trip to the u. s. to meet the current president, president job, i'm starting on thursday, and you can also watch it on our youtube channel t w documentary. we're going to pivot now to the e u, where the european commission today presented what's being seen as the most ambitious package of climate legislation ever. the fit for $55.00 program is a package of a different policies aimed at cutting the use greenhouse gas emissions by 55 percent by the year 2030. well, if the legislation is passed, it will give a major boost to renewable energy production. it will also have wide ranging effects on how your people live, including what type of cars they will be allowed to buy and how they have to heat their homes. critic say, put a heavy financial burden on citizens,

especially in for you countries. meanwhile, environmental activists criticize the package, excuse me for not going far enough. and just moments ago, you commission presenters of underlying present at the proposals. this is what she said. we know, for example, that our current fossil fuel economy has reached its limit. and we know that we have to move on to a new model, one that is powered by innovation that has clean energy. that is moving towards the social i economy. europe is now the very 1st continent that presents a comprehensive architecture to meet our climate ambitions. we have the goal, but now we present the roadmap to how we are going to get there. and that was you, commission president speaking just a moment ago in brussels wall for more or less a bring in a martin. hodge, vicky is a slovak him member of the european parliament,

and he also sits on the environment committee. a very we're welcome to d. w. good to have you with us. all right, well let's get your take. it is this green deal the real deal? while i hope so, because the challenge is really massive. i think what we can see and already this summer is a set example of a we moving from a climate crisis to climate disaster. the sciences warned us one does 40 years and we haven't listened probably. and i hope that this package will really be the package, not about 55, but about achieving the 1.5 degree warming maximum as we pledged about it. but also, it's a huge opportunity for you across the continent, from east to west, from north to south. i think this package, if we do it divide and i think in harlem, and we will have a bit of a say to that. this is an opportunity to make you more resilient to make euro p and lives better and more, more filling them in europe, also stronger economic. absolutely,

and of course there is also this dilemma because it also always comes down to yes, we definitely need a greener, a future. but you're also limiting in terms of the growth of the economy in this package, too expensive for less, less wealthy countries like a central member nations in central and eastern europe. i don't think so. actually i think this is a great opportunity, especially for each and for 2 reasons. one think we already had a bit of a head start. romania is already at the minus 55 the compared to 990 levels because you must remember the old communist, polluting industries, the heavy industries, the largest and collapse. now i think what we need to use it for is not sinking money into stranded gas investments, but the really boost energy efficiency really boost the renewables and fundamental transformation of the industries. and it all has to be fair. i think the fat and

this is important needs to be clear that is the polluters who are paying any of the people who are getting the benefit of the transformation. so as you know, of course, you is trying to introduce also recovery packages because of covert the economies have suffered, you economy has suffered greatly now in the us, you know, everything was done to compromise between the states. so is it inevitable that these, these, this will be watered down at the end throughout this process? i think that is one important elementary member. and that's the climate law. the climate law actually doesn't only say 55 if you count in the mandatory sinks. so how much carbon can we take from the atmosphere into the natural things of soil? and it comes down to $56.00. and i think this is something which the leaders have agreed to, which we have a school legislators,

a good each to. and this is now about negotiation negotiation on the how we can deliver it in a fair way, but also in a way that helps to bring out the innovation potential that we have in europe. and i think this is something which is also important to remember. this is a unique opportunity for europe to revive itself economically to utilize the innovation potential that we have and but for that we have to create the right conditions. including for example, finance. now if in conclusion, sir, major polluters like china and the u. s. don't play ball the you risk being left behind. i actually think that this is a, this is a chance for europe to have a competitive advantage. but we have to also insure families for the european economy, and that's what we have the so called cbm. so the carbon board adjustment mechanism, i tend to call it, it's actually

a tool of carbon justice for the economy. so we make sure that when others don't play the bowl, we recognize this in the price of the important creative fair conditions for our businesses. but i think when we look around, look at the, the batteries business and the shift to electric cars actually in europe. we have a catch up game to play compared to you as well as china. so i think this is where we need to actually stand behind our work and start properly exiting and seizes opportunity for both the people as well as the pilot martin herstecker. so back to member of the european parliament who also sits on the environment committee. so thank you for joining us. greatly appreciate it. thank you. want to tell you now, but some of the other stories are making headlines around the world right now. investigation, continue into the killing last week of president chosen. and we, after the arrest of one of the alleged plotters, 5 suspects remain at large. authorities are searching for a former haitian senator,

a fired government official and a convicted cocaine smuggler police leave. the killing may have been politically motivated. per democracy. protesters in me and mar, have held a brief flash mob demonstration against the military regime about 50 protesters and young god chanted anti military organs and showed a 3 fingered protest. salute, flash mob, please be mad. demonstrations seen earlier in the year after the army deadly crack down. at least 13 people have been killed in a blast on a bus in a remote region of northern pockets on the jet include focused on soldiers and some chinese national. civil people have also been injured, it's not yet clear where they would close occurred inside or outside the box, which was carrying many chinese workers to construction thing. well on next, we turn our attention to south africa. the country continues to be rocked by riots

on our fears over food and fuels. shortages are growing as looting there and violence rages on for a 6 day authority say hospitals are running out of oxygen, drugs, and food as writing disrupt supply chains. more than 70 people have been killed in some of the worst violence the country has seen in years. this comes, of course, following the jailing of former president jacob's humor a building is on fire. a baby is thrown down thankfully caused by a small crowd that gathered below. others managed to make their escape to the ground floor shops were looted and set ablaze. the durban is one of the cities in south africa, being rocked by unrest and businesses are paying a high price. in some places, south africans are now forced to q for essentials. well, i think we just

a bit concerned about fuel and water at the stage, but no, otherwise we could, we could to go, hopefully the future supplies stopped running in from next week. some suspected looters have been arrested for them. but in this small, in a town outside johannesburg, it looks like a free for all the talk. thank you to see what you've pulled up. what's going on and you know, it's all to the other day. the trajectory in baby turn outside for toria, police fire on looters, and the military has been sent into so where to try to restore law and order. the protest began last week after former president jacobs duma began serving a 15 month jail term for contempt of court. but frustration over

inequality and rising unemployment are also fueling the chaos in the room. i guess the real reason is because we have nothing and when you see other people stealing at some point, you realize that shops will close and you'll be left with nothing. so you ask yourself, after all of this, how will i survive with the way things are? for now, there is no sign of the unrest letting up or find out what the latest as he does, correspondent christine m. one is standing by in cape town, south africa, good to catch up with you again. any signs of the tensions easing in those 2 provinces? no. the short onset lay in facts. we are now on god here for the racial tensions that are flaring up, particularly in was when it's how this is amanda black and indian communities.

essentially what it's come down to is that you've got on civilians. now in the 2 provinces, basically standing in promot enforcement, they are heavily on that. they say that we are guarding our property. and of course that has tension between communities in other parts of the problem. the president natal, it was the white people and black communities as well. and so these are the fee is for it. he's also warned about violence where you will see attacks on foreign nationals that we already seeing some foreign nationals, pakistani national for example, closing up their shop in anticipation that they will be the next target essentially . so there is no sign of less up when it comes to the tensions. in fact, it's starting to to move into other forms of tensions, particularly the racial tension at the moment. so who's calling the shots there? i mean, who's in charge? well, this is the thing, it seems as a hello unfortunate is playing catch up because we woke up this morning to get more looting yet more buildings being satellites. as i'm speaking to you now,

in these 2 provinces, the looting continues unabated. and what we understand is that the officials lied best to gazing. i was just listening to the midst of the security, giving a briefing, which she said that, of course, that the minister and the president, excuse me, that they are still investigating a number of leads. but what we heard yesterday was that they have received reports that former intelligence officials linked to jacob might be behind the fueling, the, the mobilized nation off the mob that targeting specific location. and especially that the destruction that we're seeing. because in the beginning, the soon as supporters were saying, we're going to cripple the country, sabotaged the economy. and so the for the president is released from prison. you're in cave town, christine is their fear the violence could spread in other parts of the country. absolutely, i spoke to the police and go inforcement officials here who told me that the province remained on high alert in one of the biggest, informal fiddle material guy, lisa, you had

a citizen saying we're not even going to wait before anything starts happening. we are already on god, so you're starting to see it across the country. people get the sense that law enforcement is not going to be they. there isn't a presence of communities already taking up arms or coordinating amongst themselves in anticipation that the violence is going to spread. but for the moment it appears that it has been contained to the 2 effect provinces. wasn't natal and helping as the impact of this unrest is thinking and is there a growing acknowledgment in south africa that something needs to be done against structural poverty and inequality that are and demick i understand in south africa . absolutely. and for a lot of people, it'll be interesting because it's the same agency government that has been in charge of the country as since democracy. and so a lot of people are listening to politicians in government today talking about the fact that we need to do more to address the levels of poverty. because essentially

what a lot of people see this as is that the poor have been taken advantage of. these are political school as being settled using the poor, desperate people in this country who have been, by the way, through the, pushed into privacy by the pandemic. and the restrictions that have come with it. and so again, you are hearing that language. we have had government ministers going and visiting the locations, talking about the very thing, right? i'll put people we need to do better, we need to create jobs, employment, etc. but some fear, it's too little too late. this is live a country, find itself way to keep references, essentially on fire as we speak. layla w, christina, and wonder what reporting from cape town. thank you so much for your compelling coverage, greatly appreciate it. and a reminder, before i let you go over the top story that we're tracking for you, this, our european commission has unveiled legislation aimed at reducing carbon emissions 55 percent by 2030. well, if the legislation is passed, it will give a major bruce to renewable energy production. but critics say it places they have

a financial burden on citizens, especially in or you countries. and a former us president george w bush says he believes the recent withdrawal of nato troops from sun state. he told d w news and an exclusive interview that women girls and i've gone through assists, that nato forces are being left behind to suffer a heart. thank you so much for watching a you can see the interview in full right here on the w, and i'll see you at the top of the news. the news, the news

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