i, you know, i think it is. yeah, i think because i think the consequences are going to be unbelievably bad. and i'm sad and i spent a lot and i spent a lot of time with afghan women and, and they're scared. and i think about all the interpreters and people that help not only us troops, nato troops, and they're just, it seems like there's, you can be left behind to be slaughtered by the very brutal people. and it breaks my heart that exclusive enter your interview with the former a present conducted by our washington bureau chief in his pull. and we can go to right now to get some more insight into what was being said. very striking comments . there is a give us a sense how he felt about to pull out. yeah, well, he really thinks that this is a huge mistake and will lead to k, as in afghanistan. what he said in layla, you know, this whole interview was said in

a very personal take. we could talk to him in his summer home in maine and i really believed was he said that he really is deeply concerned. he's deeply concerned. what does he fear? most well, you know, to give you a little bit of a perspective on our international viewers as many of the long time conservative republicans. bush also still believes that the goal to fight terrorism in the middle east was necessary. and now he things, it is far too dangerous to leave off. gone is done to the taliban as they has really started to make ground in the country. so this is kind of the bigger picture . now of course, the current president of the president, jo, buying a very different approach he has defend at the rapid withdrawal from of gone stone . just last week he said that america did not go to the region to do a nation building to think listen to what he said. exactly, and we'll continue our conversation. after that,

we did not go to afghanistan to nation bill. and it's the right and the responsibility of afghan people alone to decide their future and how they want to run their country. so what was ines president bush's original objective when he launched the war in afghanistan 2 decades ago? well, he initiated this warner gun is done as part of his white house go to fight the war on terrorism after 911 after the 911 attacks. and then we have to remember there was a real fear about global terrorism. and not only in the united states, but all around the world, but again, after 20 years of the war ended, its tension kind of got modeled and became extremely unpopular here in the united states and also around the world. so it's very, very difficult to justify its reason to stay in. i've gotten this done. you weren't there with him in that very intimate setting that you outlined for us. did you get

a feeling that the former president, president bush was criticizing indirectly, a president to bind? well show that obviously have a very, very different approach. spite in one's to end this war. because he cannot justify the reasons to stay. and also it was actually former president trump who started the withdrawal. i think it wasn't really the intention of president bush to criticize bite in directly because we really mainly talked about mattel and her legacy. but yes, obviously they do have very different takes did you get a sense in conclusion that he regrets ever launching that war? i do not think so. it is said speculation, but as we just saw and heard in this little clip you played layla. i think you really deeply believes that the war was good for mainly women and girls and have

gone on and was a possibility to really make their lives better. and that this opportunity, that this possibility now is destroyed by the withdrawal washington bureau chief in a poll reporting. thank you very much. and moments ago i spoke with the journalist to ality fi in kabul, afghanistan, and asked him about the legacy of the natal mission. in afghanistan and got his reaction to those, the comments made by george w bush. i think it's very interesting that he's suddenly, you know, concerned about women and children because, you know, his war made a lot of widows and made a lot of children orphaned. you know, there was a lot of you know, there were, there were areas from dish and there was going on him or there was imprisonment. there is night raise their stroke strike. there's airstrike. there's all kinds of things that if he's concerned about civilians, he should have thought about during his own administration. as for the legacy,

i mean, the fact that we're having these questions is the legacy, right? the fact that the tall bond is still able to pose a threat to, to, to the government, enter the security forces. the fact that we're still having these battles in the fact that we're still asking what might happen to women, to children, to interpreters, you know, 20 years down the line. that is a legacy. it's, you know, what really was achieved for. so asking these questions 20 years later, their reporting from couple of gone on and we are airing the interview info would. former us president george w bush right here on the news throughout the day. and you can also watch it on demand by heading to you to all right, we're going to pivot now to the european commission, which has unveiled a sweeping plan to curb carbon emissions. the fit for $55.00 program is a package of a dozen policies and tackling climate change by cutting the use greenhouse gas

emissions by 55 percent by the year 2030. well, if the legislation is passed, it will give a major boost to renewable energy production. it will also a wide ranging effects on how your people live, according what type of cars they will be allowed to buy and how they have to heat their homes. critics, meanwhile, you will put a heavy financial burden on that. it is especially in for you fundraise. meanwhile, environmental activists criticize the package for not going nearly far enough and earlier today, you commission president, resolve underlined, present at the proposals. this is what she said. we know, for example, that our current fossil fuel economy has reached its limits and we know that we have to move on to a new model. one that is powered by innovation that has clean energy, that is moving towards the circular economy. europe is now the very 1st continent

that presents a country architecture to meet our climate ambitions. we have the goals, but now we present the roadmap to how we are going to get there. the commission president are on the line speaking earlier today, listening to speaking with some of the other stories making headlines around the world investigations, continuing through the killing last week of hey, the haitian president. after the arrest of one of the alleged plotters suspects remain at large, authorities are searching for a former haitian senator, a fired government official and a convicted cocaine smuggler. please believe the killing may have been politically motivated for democracy. protesters in me and mar, have held a brief flash mom demonstration against the military regime about 50 protesters in young, gone, chanted in the military slogans, and showed a 3 fingered protest salute. flash must have replaced the mass demonstrations. see the earlier in the year after the army is deadly cracked down. and at least 13

people have been killed in a blast on a bus in a remote region of northern pockets on the dead. include pakistani soldiers and some chinese nationals. several people have also been injured and it's not clear whether the explosion occurred inside or outside the bus, which was carrying many chinese workers to a construction study. next of fears now over food and fuel shortages are growing in south africa as looting and violent rages on for a 6th day. in a row authority therapy, hospitals are running out of oxygen medicine and food as writing disrupt supply, change more than this. 70 people have been killed in some of the worst violence the country has seen in years following the jailing, a former president, jacob's building is on fire. a baby is thrown down thankfully

caused by a small crowd that gathered below. others managed to make their escape to the ground floor shops were looted and set ablaze. durban is one of the cities in south africa, being rocked by unrest and businesses are paying a high price. in some places, south africans are no force the q 4 essentials. well, i think we just a bit concerned about fuel and water at the stage, but no, otherwise we could, we could to go, hopefully the future has applause and stopped running in from next week. some suspected looters have been arrested for them. but in this small, in a town outside johannesburg, it looks like a free for all the it's what, thank you to see what you all the, what's going on. and you know,

it's all to the other day. the trajectory and davy turned outside for toria. police fire on looters and the military has been sent in to so wet to try to restore law and order. the protest began last week after former president jacobs duma began serving a 15 month jail term for contempt of court. but frustration over inequality and rising unemployment are also fueling the chaos. i guess, i guess the real reason is because we have nothing and when you see other people stealing at some point, you realize that shops will close and you'll be left with nothing. so you ask yourself, after all of this, how will i survive with the way things are? for now, there is no sign of the unrest letting up. and our correspondence christine with

what is in cape town, south africa, and she told me there was no sign of tensions eating. we are now on god here for the racial tensions that are flaring up, particularly in was blue. and that's how this is among the black and indian communities. essentially, what has come down to is that you've got on civilians. now in the 2 provinces, basically, standing in law enforcement, they all have any on that. they say that we are guarding our property, and of course that has tension between communities in other parts of the province, wasn't natal, it was the white people and communities as well. and so these are the fee is for it is also warned about violence where you will see attacks on foreign nationals that we already seen, some foreign nationals, pakistani national for example, closing up their shops in anticipation that they will be the next target essentially. so there is no sign of less up when it comes to the tensions. in fact, it's starting to to move into other forms of tensions,

particularly racial tension at the moment. you have usa, christina, when we're reporting from cape town on the ongoing attentions in south africa. do stick with us, are covert 1900 special is up next. the consequences of not knowing that you can also get all the latest news and information by heading to our website, w dot com. i will rock and brilliant on behalf of the entire news. thank you so much for spending. that's part of the news . the fight against the corona virus pandemic. how has the rate of infection in developing what goes to the latest research information and context the corona virus, off the 19th special next on dw

the. this is important to understand the world better. we need to take a closer experience knowledge to the w i i, a german study has found more than 40 percent of people infected with covered. don't even know the races even higher among elderly people. and long covert symptoms of the chronic form of the virus may also go and identified that could include organ damage. testing could be more important than ever.

welcome to the show, one, been physical and 1st up, let's talk to the author of that report to discuss the consequences of not knowing you've got covered philip was the principal investigator in the back covered 900 study. how do you determine that over 40 percent of germans don't realize they have covered yes, good afternoon. actually, we have thrown a population based sample from the local registry offices. and we asked study participants whether they had a former proven infection at 2 time on 4 months, apart from each other, we asked the participant, we to provide a p, c, r test, which we did, and them, and importantly, we measured antibodies. and these antibodies are able to indicate what you had a former infection independently, whether you were back to needed or not. and you looked at over $10000.00 participants over half

a year. is that something that you could mirror elsewhere in the world? well, i would take a note of caution there. the frequency of unknown infections depends very much on the rate of testing. and in germany we have across germany quite comparable regulations. so they are, i think we can translate these to other regions. however, with translating that to other countries, we have to account for the frequency of testing, which has an impact on the number of an infected infections, no matter the number though. what, what are the consequences of not knowing that you've got covert? well, actually showed that we learned that interestingly in the elderly, especially there are more unknown infections about 2 thirds of people, $6075.00, and plus. whereas in those $25.00 to $30.00, for example, it only

a 3rd. what means that the relative values a little bit, the incidence is although of cause all the to be your cases and the person may not should not be forgotten and it will help us to we calculate the risk for persons and certain conditions, not only the risk for people who actually have it, but what about the people around them as well? well, exactly. so what the problem is, the spreading m m can be very well assessed if you do the testing. and what we learn is that what we currently do is still not enough to recognize all infections . and if we want to have an early warning system and recognize new virus very and for example, then we need a good testing strategy to detect and under able all these, these unknown infections. so philip is

a time to get self tests out there to make sure that everyone is not only working out whether or not they're infectious, but whether or not they've had the coven buyers? yes. so certainly i think currently it is a good idea to test better, especially in the time where we are driving back preventive measures. we are having major public events again like the, the soccer championship right now. in these cases, we need to have these early warning system. and still also back to me, people should get attacked and because they still can transmit an infection to not vaccinated individuals. and the other thing is regarding whether you have code with their we learned that we still have to see what are the right antibodies to measure . because the majority of people do not have all antibodies positive but a certain one. and we have to learn and which persons have to measure which anti

body before we can go for screening for long. cobit and how many of these unknown cases could actually be long, covert yeah, that's a matter of debate. we are currently still investigating this in our study, and that takes a little bit time because the definition of long cobra means 6 month after the acute infection. and what we currently know is only for the known cases that at about 10 percent off or to develop long covert and again, 10 percent of these 10, which is one of all known infections, develop a severe long covert syndrome. and what we have to investigate and learn now, how many people off the a, some medic and affections can get the secret. and could there be a concern for younger people that they could have covered? they may not know, and they organs may be damaged, which, which may come out years later. indeed,

that's what we fear. and that's what we learned about is there a molecule signature, something that you can measure in the block, which indicates that you are on the way of developing a long covert sooner and not yet having symptoms, but that in the future you could develop a symptomatic disease which limits your life quality are also and the length of your life. but this is still a matter of research. everything we're doing there is still speculators. and we have to gather more data to be sure about how to tackle these, how to identify that. but what we have to fear is yes, that it is possible even in a symptomatic infections or mild infections, that few people are at risk of developing a long code. it could be public 19 studies, philip taffy, on the so today, thank you. a long covered suffer as a calling on health care providers, employers and politicians to take their predicament seriously. for many,

what is out of the question, day to day activities are also a major challenge. your hannah's either has named her oxygen device, evan, written with a i the 25 year old suffers from long covered, and was born with a heart the fact months after our initial compet 19 infection, she needs oxygen therapy. even when only doing small shows like vacuum cleaning, without the device, she often has difficulties breathing upon when someone, the most for a moment was one time when i was taking a shower, the scene maybe even thinner. i started crying because i couldn't breathe anymore. i'm more or less fell out of the shower. i was trying to breeze it, but nothing was coming in according to initial studies about 10 percent of covered 19 patients have similar symptoms. johan,

i used facebook to get in contact with some of them. they often suffer from constant extortion and lack of concentration months after then initial infection. in your hannah's case, the symptoms are so severe that the 25 year old expects never to be able to work as a tax assistant again. to sort of minimum, i suspect it will come down to a disability pension or the full or partial. i don't know yet. i would still like to watch. right now i'm not able to and happy if i manage to get out of bad for 4 to 6 hours depending on the day. but mostly i lie in bed and that a teacher position better and so they can tell her mission comes to her. and as i also suffers mentally from her own this, she took to psychologist every week. he has already helped several long covet patients. when we, when we now have a new group of chronically ill people in our society that will have an impact on

all kinds of levels. it will be noticeable on the labor market. it's crucial that these people are not left behind in terms of their participation. and also financially leave him under johan, as i hoped that her application for a disability pension will soon be approved and that she will be met with more understanding when it comes to long covet. closer my biggest wish is that people start taking it seriously that they don't dismiss it and say she's just being silly . she just has to get out of bed and get a grip. and my 2nd wish is that politicians and researchers also take it seriously, and that further research supported, i'm a corporate for you in a few weeks and she should know whether she will receive a disability pension that would resolve one of many uncertainties that long covered has brought to her life. now you'll turn to ask the questions. here's our science

guy, derek williams. call. do other viruses a few piece syndrome like painted over the last year and a half. we've learned a lot about the chronic condition that affects up to 30 percent of people infected with over 19 for weeks or months after they supposedly recovered. but there's a whole lot more that we still don't know about what's causing the wide range of long cobit symptoms, which often include crippling fatigue. and what sufferers call a brain fog. although some common symptoms of long covert are pretty specific to an infection with stars covey to, for example, a loss of the sense of smell. researchers and doctors say there's also quite a bit of overlap with many chronic symptoms that can sometimes be triggered by

other pathogens. among them. viruses that cause the flu, monona, nuclear osis, and herpes. many of the long term symptoms reported by long covert sufferers are also common and people diagnosed with what's known as my allergic and several of my allied s or, or chronic fatigue syndrome when its origins can be traced back to a viral infection. the condition is often called post viral fatigue syndrome because its symptoms are so wide ranging and physiological reasons for those symptoms. so difficult to pin down. many people who suffer from post viral fatigue, say they have often been told by doctors that it's basically all on their heads, with millions of people worldwide now reporting long copays symptoms. the good news is that governments are beginning to throw quite

a few resources at basic research in the field of post viral fatigue. and that basic research will very likely have positive knock on benefits for people who suffer from similar conditions that have been linked to other pathogens. me, thanks so watching, stay safe and see you again say ah, the news news, news, news, news,

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