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former us president really publicly criticize a sitting us president, perhaps that slipped george w bush's mind when he told d w. news that president biden's decision to withdraw us troops from afghanistan is a mistake. but she also said that he's worried about what the taliban may do to the women and girls of afghan to stand. but that is not why the us went to war in afghanistan 20 years ago. and mr. bush, he should know, he was the president who started the war. i'm bring golf and berlin. this is the day the news is a mistake. so i, you know, i think it is. yeah, i think because i think the consequences are going to be unbelievably bad of understand is on the brink of another unity,

this can be avoided. this should be avoided. i will much send another generation americans to war and i've counted 10 years ago was totally up to the afghans to make the decision about the future. you're not believing and we can people, we're not abandoning the afghan people. it seems like there's can be left behind to be slaughtered by the very brutal people. the also coming up it has been a week since the president of haiti was assassinated. the us is not sending troops to the island, but it is offering advice to those who want to put the chaos behind them. we are the country's political leaders to bring the country together a round, a more inclusive, peaceful, and secure a vision and pay the road toward free and fair elections this year. the

reviewers on p b. s. in the united states, into all of you around the world, welcome. we begin the day with a lesson in the power of the us president and how it can be easier to start a war than to end one. us troops will complete their withdraw from afghanistan by the end of august. it will mark the end of 2 decades of fighting in bloodshed that became known as america's longest war. president biden is the commander in chief who decided that enough is enough. before he announced the withdraw biden console did. former president obama in bush, their presidencies, were also burdened by the military mission in afghanistan. former president obama was reportedly in for support of the troop withdrawal. for president bush's response was reportedly more muted. now it's important to remember, president bush launched the invasion of afghanistan in october, 2001 just a few weeks after the 911 terror attacks in the us at the time bush called it a clearly defined mission in the war on terror. the goal was to destroy al qaeda,

which had been hiding in afghanistan or 20 years and 4 presidents later. the memory of that mission is apparently not so clear for former us president george w bush. listen to what he told d w. in his poll when she asked him about us troops now leaving f dentistry. i was very pleased. she was supportive of troops in afghanistan. i'm by the way, and one of the reasons why is because she saw the progress that could be made for young girls and women in afghanistan is unbelievable. how that society changed from the brutality of the taliban. and all of a sudden, sadly, i'm afraid i have gained women and girls are going to suffer. unspeakable hard is a mistake. so withdrawal, i, you know, i think it is. yeah, i think because i think the consequences are going to be unbelievably bad. and i'm sad and i spent a lot and i spent a lot of time with afghan women and,

and they're scared. and i think about all the interpreters and people that help not only us troops, nato troops. and they're just, it seems like there's, you can be left behind to be slaughtered by the very brutal people and it breaks my heart. well, one important fact check on was former president george w bush said they are about the f, k and translators, and distributors. you help us troops, the white house says they are not being left behind. they are being evacuated by u. s. military planes and will be taken to a safe country to wait as their us visas are processed. that begins this month. let's go now to washington d. c bureau, venus poll, joins me now. good evening to you in this and we should let our viewers know that you sat down with mr. bush to interview him about his relationship with german transfer uncle american who was stepping down in a couple of months. it was during that interview that the former president offered

some candid and unexpected comments about afghanistan, right. his president bush is keeping a low profile since he left off his friend. and as you said in the interview, he became a simple painter. he actually only sat down with me because he wanted to share his thoughts and actually feelings about us. he put it, dear friend america and we know that former presidents, they rarely criticize a sitting president and we know that president biden, and mister bush, their reportedly on good terms. how do you explained in bush lashing out if you will, against biden's decision to withdraw us troops from afghan to stand? look, brenda, this is was a very humble and open atmospheric. you can tell when you watch the whole interview . president, a former president bush is truly worried about the future of,

of gone is done mainly when it comes to girls and women. and as he explained to me, he and his wife, laura met with many african women. and i have the feeling that he really connected with them on a very personal level, plus president biden himself actually also said last week that he's also worried about women and girls. and i've gone this done so that course they don't differ. but president bush, obviously things it's wrong to withdraw the troops bite in things. it's the right move. it struck me that mister bush said that he's worried about what can happen to women and girls. if the taliban retake the country, mister bush and his entire administration at the time, insisted that the war and if gain a stand was emission to defeat al qaeda and not a state building mission for afghanistan. has mr. bush, do you think? has he forgotten, or is he engaging in selective remembering here?

that is a very good point brand. i mean, we have to recall the very beginning of the war. it was a reaction of $911.00 the terrill attack here in the united states. then president bush and his administration believe they have to gun or rather bomb down terrorists just to give a little bit of a perspective here 20 years ago when the so called war on terrorism started the fear of further terrorist attacks was very real. actually not only in the us. so i think over the course of the years, former president bush kind of focus sistant. maybe also because he realized that he needed a fresh, fresh argument to justify this military action. i mean, to just put in some fingers here, we mustn't forget, around 2500 us military, lost their lives and action. $40000.00 african civilians died and the total cost for the war was over a $1000000000.00. so this became

a very unpopular war here in the united states. and let's talk about the german chancellor and the former us president. we know the mr. bushes fund is for chancellor miracle has grown through the years. you know, chancellor miracle is, well, how does she regard mister bush? is this fondness? is it neutral? you know, there is actually an interesting interview with angela america from some years ago . she said, i wouldn't be here and i quote that here is not for george h bush. this is the father, old job of george w bush. we have to keep in mind, i'm going to america. i grew up in the east and you really help bringing down the walls. so he's a very, she has a very personal relationship to the bush family. and i think this also played a role in this relationship to, to george w bush with whom i could conduct this interview. and we know the german chancellor,

uncle america, she is in washington. she has a busy schedule tomorrow. she's meeting with president by what will be the most important topics to discuss? yeah, there is a lot to discuss it. so last visit as chancellor. i mean, the most definitely will talk about the reason cyber takes out of russia. one of the more kind of sensitive topics will be the question about the nordstrom to pipeline. and the white house also has opposed the question about the vaccine patterns. because america so far is against giving out them to the world. but president biden wants to make the vaccine information available for the rest of the world. and jennifer, meg, she arrives in washington and she finds in america and to president biden, who like her respecter. but there are some who may not be so sad to see her leave.

suddenly the trump ms. ministration or the former trump administration, i shall say, is happy to see her go mainly because of her immigration policy. there are many americans who see that as a bad bad example, and i'm sure that they are kind of happy to see her go. all right, or washington bureau chief in his book is we will be talking with you also tomorrow, as our coverage continues. of the german chancellor's last visit to the us. thank you. in the today, europe laid out a plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions. that is also a challenge to the rest of the world to do the same. it is called the fit for $55.00 program. it includes dozens of policies aimed at reducing c o 2 gases by 55 percent. by the end of this decade. if the legislation is fast, it will give

a major boost to renewable energy production. it will also have wide ranging effects on how europeans live, including a phase out of diesel and gasoline vehicles. critics 8 will put a heavy financial burden on consumers, especially in for europe and countries. environmental activists save fit for $55.00 is not fits enough or short time ago. you commission president ursula from july and presented the proposals. and this is what she had to say. we know, for example, that our current fossil fuel economy has reached its limits and we know that we have to move on to a new model. one that is powered by innovation that has clean energy, that is moving towards the circular economy. europe is now the very 1st continent that presents a comprehensive architecture to meet our climate ambitious. we have the goal, but now we present the roadmap to how we are going to get there. alright,

i'm joined now by noah gordon. he's an american climate journalist based here in berlin. no, it's good to have you on the program. let's look at what was presented today. this green deal is it as revolutionary as the european union is claiming it to be you know, revolutionaries. a bit strong in many ways is so called 55 package is an acceleration of the emission cuts that you had been carrying out for years. you know, you said the commission on to reduce permits from the carbon market to increase the price of carbon pollution in 4th electricity, generators and manufacturers to him and fewer greenhouse gases. and i want to tighten the existing regulations on energy efficiency or noble power and much more . but is it a serious impressive proposal for climate legislation? absolutely. more than any other major jurisdiction, including the u. s. to reduce emissions. and this packages include at least a few revolutionary measures like back to our ban on new fossil fuel cars from 2035 and the carbon tax, which from 2026 will put

a price on in force of carbon intensive goods like steel, meant to come from outside the union, so the 1st time major economic area will be putting direct financial pressure on its trade partners to make greener products. we'll talk about those points just a moment, but the whole plan, it's not a done deal yet. right. i mean 20 other members of the european union. they all have to sign off on it. right. you're right, it's not a done deal far from it. it was late 2019. when you 1st started talking about it's green deal and ambition for climate neutrality entered 18 months for the commission to speak to stakeholders and put for these proposals. can be another 18 months before these becoming new law and demand ago major changes in the process. so these proposal start the legislative process in the next steps, the parliament has to approve them, then it goes to the counselor, the national leaders and member states have their se one's all the institutions agree the parliament council have to give their final approval. usually by majority, but there's also the multi level nature you policy making to consider that you have

a great deal of regulatory power, but it's often down to member states to pass the national of implement these rules . and this can take a year more to, for example, to use that you want to expand that charging network for electric cars to have on every 60 kilometers on the highway. now that you budget's only about one percent of the g d p. so it's not as if the commission can directly finance millions of these things instead of 10 goals for the member to achieve, which are usually enforced by discursive pressure in brussels. and if all else fails, the threat of legal proceedings and perhaps the final, the usual ensure there a lot of steps between brussels policy makers sitting in target for electric car charges, and someone actually installing one italian town. yeah, that's a very good point. let's take an example of this of getting taking the id and trying to make it a very ality. you've been observing political parties here in germany. most of almost all of them are on board and they have a green message. but what about the bit that hurts and i'm talking about the implementation. that's when all of a sudden it's hard to find people to be on board, right?

absolutely right. it's easy to stand up if you're a politician and give a speech about how missions will fall to 0 and 30 years long after you left office . actually, when you them, it's not hard to speak out and support him. something like higher taxes on gasoline and german campaign. i had a bunch in here. this was a good example of this. the german supreme court ruled that germany had to raise climate targets to protect the freedom and future generation. and politicians of all part of the plot of the ruling when the leader, the green party, unavailable, derek, suggest the gasoline price we have to increase of jeremy wanted to hit the target. the other party is attacked or even though they hit all we to indirectly raise gas prices back in 2019 so hypocritical, but i get campaigning. when i'm wondering, did, how the government, how are they going to avoid having a narrative of gas prices are, are going to get higher and everything else is going to get more expensive. how are they going to sell that? i guess, to the consumer. you know, it's worth pointing out that

a large and growing group is your opinion to support these measures. they see the amazon shrinking, the temperatures rising. we saw fridays for future protests, but you're corrected. certainly at risk of political backlash at the german transport minister already complained that today, new rules about sustainable vh fuels could be caustic airlines. so what are the government doing? some are trying to emphasize the positive aspects of climate policy. france is giving people 2500 euros to trade and they're all a gasoline. carter and he bike and some cities like luxemburg and talon have 3 public transport. other politicians might try to go for quieter climate policy through regulation. and people complain more about gas that increases a new requirements on automakers even if those regulations might cost jobs and tax revenue in the short term and need to like visible general tax types. and finally, the strategy of blaming the you and acting as of higher gas prices are imposed by bureaucrats and brussels rather than the proved and largely implemented by a national government in nor briefly. is there any pressures that the european

union can put on the us in china, for example? yeah, i think today's announcements do put some pressure on the us to live up to its message that it is assuming climate leadership, us with some great targets and taking some positive steps through executive action regulation. but it's difficult for the binding ministration to pass in the last make every ality in a polarized system hamstrung by our chain rules that requires majority in the senate. and that's for china. china comes from a very different starting point, lower g, d, p, and emissions per capita and doesn't paste the same type of pressure to cut emissions right away. but it does want to be a climate leader itself and work with you on climate to dominate future industries . like electric cars and so on. but you know, measures like the aforementioned and controversial carbon board attacks show that you mean business. i could draw a legal challenge allegory terrorist and we'll see how the superpowers react. yes, very good points. no, a gord, no, we appreciate your time and your analysis tonight. thank you. thanks.

the one week after the assassination of hades president, the country is still reeling from the fall. authorities believe they've arrested one of the masterminds behind the plot, but they're still looking for a motive and the political power struggle is only making matters worse. in haiti, the poorest country in the western hemisphere couldn't have been more brazen. cctv cameras caught the assassins moving in military formation. descending on the sleeping president outside his residence. they bypassed hey security guards by claiming they were us agent. once inside, they killed him. we need to know what is their motivation, who they are and where they came from in the days that followed,

police killed or captured an army of suspects. a mix of colombians and haitian americans. they had their mash and reese and then a few days later near a legit mastermind, a little known florida doctor of haitian descent. but no clear motive. in february job, an el moist overstayed his term limit parenting him plenty of enemies and feeling widespread, protest. know his killing has created a volatile power vacuum 1st this month for joseph. you may see claim to be prime minister with the nostril, but the opposition is a, he's tati. don't have to get back with him. we consider him surfer, who should be in jail. the see this man and only you who was nominated by moist 2 days before his day should be in charge. if not,

wasn't bad enough. katy's notorious gang leaders have got involved to so cooperate not so now. it is a national and international conspiracy against the haitian people. i asked all the gangs to mobilize take to the streets. all the us is calling on the politicians to come tensions. we are the country's political leaders to bring the country together a round, a more inclusive, peaceful, and secure vision, and pay the road toward free and fair elections this year. well, i spoke to francisco, lucy, and she's the executive director of the institute for justice and democracy in haiti. and i asked her, is anybody legitimately in charge now in hate? the president, his own mandate tested was assassinated before i recognized interim. prime minister was installed quad, joseph was effectively removed from the office of the prime minister by the decrees

that named arianna of prime minister, however on, on read was not actually installed in the world. therefore, following the assassination, we've seen competing claims to power. and in this context where we're outside of institutional functionality, the important question is really whether the haitian people in civil society will have a say, the way forward will phrase is let me ask you if, if the situation is, is chaotic you're describing it there. we know that there's been a request that the us in troops into restore order. the us state department doesn't like the idea. i mean, is this something the u. s. should be doing or not? it's a great question and i will say, i think that for real change to happen, the only path forward is going to be one page 580 itself. and certainly there is a role for the international community to assist in an a but to assist you must learn from the past and really ensure that it's listening to patients civil society

. that if listening to the voices that are coming from the ground, what they're proposing as a solution in a way forward. and any engagement really respects the population, human, right? it's the port strengthening of institutions and rule of law. enabling the integrity and functioning of those institution and really supporting the countries right to self determination and know the international community would like to see those things happen. and that's one reason why the international community has given millions in aid to haiti, especially since the earthquake. a lot of people say the that has not helped. it's actually hurt the country. does haiti need a type of tough love from the outside world right now? again, it's a really great question and i might push back a little bit on that because i think what, what this moment has demonstrated is the question that has been around for

a long time of how can be re think, reimagine and reset the international community's engagement. with katie, and that, that happens at multiple levels, whether it's in terms of policy, whether it's in terms of development, aid, or the individual and collective solidarity that we've seen from so many, including, you know, and g o, the nonprofits, of different organizations who want to engage in meetings, but i think one of the lessons that can be drawn for the last 10 years following the earthquake and the amount of aid that has poured into the country is really the importance of having local stakeholders. people ensuring that individuals in organizations that the community recognize and trust to be part of the solution, have a seat and really determine where those research resources go. me, how they're fans, and making sure that they're most effective for the benefit of the population. ok, francisco lucy with the institute for justice in democracy in haiti for instance.

we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. thank you so much. it's been wonderful to be with you today. ah, it could just be the most awkward moment in us german relations. the massage felt around the world, or at least felt in the chancellor's shoulders. it happened back in 2006 at the g, so many st. petersburg, russia. when then, president bush got a little 2 hands on with german chancellor, i'm going to miracle and impromptu neck rub that rubbed the german chancellor a little the wrong way. we're now 15 years later, the former president, he's mellowed out monsieur, if you will. he's even offered an apology for that miracle. massage moment. take a look. there is one image of the world remembers of you and i'm going to america that that's, that's at the d. a meeting in saint petersburg when you were massaging her shoulder

. and i walk by again where yeah, i wouldn't call it an extended massage. i'd call it a. yeah, i mean she was here, it's kind of a spontaneous reflection of friendship. and i'm sure people didn't know what to make of it. i didn't mind those kind of i thought it was a wow. and it can. i don't know. yeah. i mean one of those things that just happened. it certainly was scripted. did you ever talk with her about it? no, no, but if i need to go, i'm sorry, i did that and put in the public spotlight, but on the other hand, is a reflection of my, my friendship with you. alright, the days i was done, the conversation discontinued the line to find out whether the news can probably be written golf v, remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see that everybody,

the the news, the news the news the president george w bush invited us to this summer home. we talked about the past and the special relationships, the chancellor. i'm going to medical and i was not afraid to make a decision, was not afraid to leave the kind person with a lovely soul. and that's a person i got to know the exclusive interview with george

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dioxide emissions have risen again. young people all over the world are committed to climate protection. what impact will change doesn't happen on its own the make up your own mind. w. 4 lines. now the exclusive interview with george w bush president george w bush doesn't give many interviews anymore. but because of his special relationship to chancellor uncle medical, he invited us to his summer home in may. we talked about the past and the future of the trans atlantic relationships alumni told take on china, on russia. he also explains how he felt when he was rubbing her shoulders.

president bush, you have med chancellor, uncle america. so many times do you recall kind of a defining moment? you know, the last time i saw was defining because she flew all the way over to my dad's funeral. and we are at the blair house, which is right across street from white house. my whole family was there and somebody at iowa merkle would like to call on you and it is meant a lot, and i was very close to my day and the fact that she would take time to come really defined, i think our relationship, she's very thoughtful kind of person and i think another time was at the ranch. we've got a ranch, we love in central texas and she and professor sar came revisit, learn me. and i remember she and i walked across our prairie. we went for probably an hour walker, so just visiting about a variety of things and it was oppertunity not to conduct diplomacy,

but an opportunity to get to know or get to know each other better. and that was a kind of a defining moment to you painted the portrait of her. i'm sure all that kind of is seen in this portrait. maybe you can talk a little bit about the process and the picture itself. sure, well, you know, i was just the new painter, so i was a little worried about making sure i captured the person that i was trying to paint and angle in case i wanted to paint a kind person with a lovely soul. and that's the person i got to know. i mean, she's plenty tough in order to survive in a and what was a man's world german politics for a long time. she got to be pretty tough and she's resolute. but i also saw side of her that was very compassionate and decent. and that's what i, that's the, what i tried to do in the portrait. i hope she likes it. in other words, you can tell people at my head, great respect for like and some. yeah,

i want to close to when you look at the portraits i painted and hers is one of on the plus side. i liked her a lot, talking about more complicated relationships. the relationship with god, pseudo that's a previous s or at the end was a little bit icey variation. yeah. which rolled into a personal relationship with an america play for the improvement of the transatlantic relationship. well, i think, i mean again her schroeder used me as a political pawn on his reelection and it became very personal. and people in his cabinet says some things that they shouldn't say. i want to compare me. they are off hill or something like that. and you know, dad, policy, there's roommates, there's one thing, but to personalize it in a way to help one self politically, really was i didn't think very good. it was didn't represent

a good friendship. angela came in and change that completely. we had our disagreements, of course, i mean, what was your biggest disagreement with her? you know, probably whether or not georgia should be given the membership application process and nato. and she was very resolute and didn't think the right thing to do. and i thought the right thing to do, but we conducted ourselves in such a way as not to personalize it. because because above all the politics, there was just friendship and. and so she, you know, whether or not she intentionally tried to repair relationships with me. i don't, i don't even know if she need the relationship needed to be repaired. i guess she saw what schroeder did, but anyway, it was, it was a different relationship and much more positive and constructive. what about going to animal be that was also a huge disagreement. right,

and you're really not. yeah. and i wasn't going to change my attitude there was is that if you're worried about guantanamo bay, go down there and inspect it, like to international read, crossed in on a regular basis. but i don't remember any friction over that talking about difficult related relationships. what triggered medical in donald trump and cause these have harshly actually he once refused, shaking her head. i don't know. i don't know that was just not a good period in german or us relations and i don't know, i don't, i don't know, donald trump, maybe one time at the very same funeral then i feel a miracle game too. and so it's hard for me to guess, why am i germany is a very close ally and a very important friend, germany really important for europe and, and germany got a lot of way in terms of helping shape kind of world opinion on key issues. and therefore, it makes sense for us present to be close to the german chancellor. and even though

the girl schroeder and i had a disagreement on issues, we nevertheless were able to send the signal that us german relations are very important. how does this work? mister president, after you left office, to stay in contact with chancellors or presidents from other countries to to talk to angle america after that or not really. i feel like i'm out and i don't and i'm happy to be out. as you know, i become a simple painter and i, i'm out of politics. i kind of got into us politics a little bit when i, when i published a book on immigrants, one of whom was a great german, named dirt nowitzki. we both share the same hometown, have dallas, texas here. remarkable guy, loyal and community activist for children, and he's a good man. and anyway, we have an immigration to be going on in the united states. now i was unhappy with

the tone of it, and i think we start with the premise that we're all guys, children and every life matters. then all of a sudden one has a different perspective on how to enforce the border and how to deal with people who are escaping tyranny. and anyway, but other than that, i'm pretty much out of politics. talking about immigration, that's what that was. something which will define probably medical chancery. what's your take on her reaction when she didn't close the borders and led in like a 1000000 or so? yeah. you know, my 1st reaction was there's a one with a big heart, and i'm sure she was motivated by human compassion. and it, it was i, it was clearly a tough political decision for her. but she took a lead, like i made a lot of tough decisions too. and i hope when people look at my record is present. they say he did what he thought was right and stood to ground. and so i admire. i

admire her steadfastness and uncle is not afraid to make a decision was not afraid to lead and the world needs leadership that has based upon principle. and that's what she did. and i know it cause political points, but she bless you doing pretty well. here's the thing that amazes me. 8 years in a democracy is a long time. i know for well people get tired over year, and they retire to reagan after 8 years. they're darn sure tired of me after 8 years and idle merkel has managed to survive in a pretty tough political environment for more than 8 years. and it's pretty amazing when you think about it at the tenure reflects something, and i think it reflects the german voters trust. they may not agree with them. they trust her. and they trust her most 1st and foremost because she's a good person. did senior perspective make any major mistakes?

you know, i don't, i'm not, i'm not very close. jeremy politics. not really. you know, i'm, and i'm sure that i'm sure as you, i hope are 10 years not defined by the decision on refugees. what so to attend, to be defined by immersion. i think it ought to be on bringing honor and principal leadership to the chancery of germany. what was said, what's your greatest legacy? my light grays legacy was you know, my girls love me after being for the others. is profound principles that are important with leaders and leaders. my set examples, i bet a legacy about merkle was. there's a lot of girls watch on the la merkel say i too can have a position of responsibility and power because she conducted herself with such dignity. and you know that there's no such thing as accurate, short term history,

others angle as place in history won't be known until other chancellors come until events and around the world unfold. and i think there's people beginning to realize the premium on character when it comes to leadership and the lack of character is very notable people with character. it seems like they take people take that for granted, but nevertheless in a period were characters been lacking. all of a sudden, people are going wow, that that's an important trade for leaders. and i'll go to merkel later. she's not a follower, which is which i admire a lot. this is changing like the world with facebook, twitter or social media, like political leaders are more populous or a better on twitter than really like with f principal. and interesting question. i'm, i got out of there before all this stuff happened. and you know,

i probably would have made my time it marrington different, although i can assure you, i wouldn't have been on twitter and i wouldn't of been on facebook. but yeah, it's, i think populism though is a result of more than just social media platforms. i think populism reflects a frustration with, with, with society and other words here in the states. you know, i made a decision in 2008 to use tax payers money to bail out wall street to, to prevent a worldwide depression. and that made a lot of people mad, really mad. i mean, the average guy out there were raised in texas pages mortgage and all of a sudden george bush uses his taxpayer money to give it to wall street. and there's something unfair about that in their mind. and i wouldn't have done it had not been necessary to save the economy, but you can explain that to somebody, you know,

you can't prove a negative. and so in that created this anger. and then wages were stagnating, which created ag nor then. and then people felt, you know, immigration kind of begin to crowd them out, which i think it's a multiple set of factors. what, what the mass media does or the current media does. it enables them to talk among themselves and the real dangers, the conspiracy theories that arise. and it's going to require strong leaders to knock that down. and to refute some of these ridiculous extremist ideologies on both the left and the right. oh, glad that you were out of the white house before that happened before twitter took over. so yeah, i think, well, yeah, i'm glad look, i'm glad i survey years in the fabulous years in my life and and i'm glad i'm out of the political maelstrom. you know, it's weird about america right now,

so i have a stablish is friendship because i sit next year at funerals with michelle obama. and i, one time i gave her a met al toyed and a my, my daughter said to me, you're trending an order. ok, what does that ended? now you're on social media. you and michelle obama and the country was shocked that a republican male and a democrat female can have some kind of bond other than you know, debating politics. and it just goes to show how little rice things are now the question, and i'm sure they are in germany as well. and the question is, will we be able to merge out of this? and my attitude is so long as there's democracy, we can because most americans don't like the hostility and the political system, most americans are not populous raging populace. shoot,

express their anger through conspiracy. theories and elections were reflect that so long as the elections are opened and people vote in germany is about to have a big election. and, and that's part of the healing process. coming back to america. mr. president, so you were just out of office when metal was informed that her mobile phone was tab by the end. it's a and i quote her, her, as she said, spying among amongst friends is not at all. okay. do you understand that? totally. yeah. or of course i had no idea on myrtle, but yeah, i mean that's about the definition of friendship and she had every right to be straightforward in her criticism. she is also seen as kind of a world leader who is taking climate change really seriously. what role did she play and you're alive,

to make you understand or actually on your take when it comes to the climate? well, i understood the issue. i just didn't want to have a global treaty that didn't include china and india. otherwise is a waste of time. now i, she was i remember when i came with schroeder was a chancellor and they went to the boon in stock and sat down with all the leaders there. and the green party guy was, you know, this, giving me lecture on that as fine. why don't you support me on civilian nuclear power is clean and so renewable. i mean, it's the best thing you can do for the environment. after all, your neighbor in france just figure out a way to get rid of this waste and all of a sudden conversation with quiet. and you know, there's a lot of competing interest in a lot of different views. but no question. was very strong on the environment and i don't blame or the other thing she was strong on know at the same time the world should be focused on on the environment.