by force, the whole of i've got the sun, we also are aware the fact that having i've gone east on going back to the period when the affections and some form of, of, of long term, you know, in fighting inside the country is also another solution. no, for the all the bond nor for the other forces. so there will be a political compromise to be met. is this the right time? we hope it is easy only the role of the us and nato to encourage both parties to, to join again, negotiations in doha oil where no, this is why we see interesting, you know, encouragement for parties to resume talks. also by, by russia also by china, also by other neighboring players. so i think nobody but nobody from dimensions community is interested in having a gun is done going. that devastating. wrote that they had

many years ago. well, with all of our left, without the sound of just left, they may not be able to prevented mr. john. i come back to the realty. can we just discuss nato's credibility after this? withdraw? not just in central asia, but around the world, leaving friends in need, and those are the words of general scott mella leaving friends in need. severely damages your credibility at the time when you really need it. how much value do you think ukraine, for instance, places on your messages to support when it watches you give up on? i've got this down and pull out, leaving it to the taliban. i'm not here to do to have an, an argument over this. i'm saying that 20 years is a long period of time and saying in one place and trillions of dollars and thousands of lives of allied troops and our partners globally that have also

sacrificed alongside with our guns in the 20 is then 20 years. and we can, we, if you want, we can have counterfactual thing. we could continue, we should have lots of left probably earlier. if there are the right moment to do this, no, it isn't. is this a moment? don't have to, to make up a decision. yes, it is, and it's up to all of us, including the and mainly the people are gone is on the really side what's the future? and of course, we are interested about nato's reputation. we are, we are of strong military alliance. we know that sometimes our actions are inactions also having an impact. i'm not concerned to, to, to, to, to tell you the whole truth that our reputation as an alliance would be diminished by this we be sitting for 20 years. there's no other similar situation. when a global alliance around the nations, from all the continent,

not only nato countries, we have come to the help of all american friends and allies. all right, my is my question. my question mr. joiner. was what you thought ukraine might make of all this? considering that they're also in receipt of very nice words and promises from nato, like nato's support for ukraine sovereignty and territorial integrity is unwavering . when, in practical terms, that's actually meaningless, isn't it? because nato can do nothing to prevent ukraine sovereignty and territorial integrity being violated. wholesale by russia, it has been since 2014. so nice. nice word is not that you want to be known for nice words. absolutely. just the opposite. what i'm saying we cannot compare on comparable things. i've got the sun is now ukraine. and that's a totally different ball game and story behind this to this to situation. well, let me be specific where me remember, remember the older generations,

speaking of the annexation illegal annexation of crimea? do we remember when the abortive fates were annex by soviet union? was the same awards, as you mentioned now that when the u. s. and western europe downtime in small nato in those days, they said they will never recognize the annexation of the baltic states the soviet union. this can take time and did the decades. we needed to wait for the end of the cold war and today the both the nations. i'm proud members of our alliance. i know in your interviews with my colleagues with us, dr. burke and my p. s. a. really good them are you asked? the question, can we really find these countries all l i c s. we have an obligation towards ukraine in terms of article 5, not yet. but the when and if we have that decision will also defend all allies the day. there are 30 allies that we have promised solemnly to defend one another miss

. you you. i know that sometimes worse, mean not to be strong enough to him. but they mean something they meet political commitment from the leaders. and the moment we have decided our nato summit in june on june 14th, it will continue to help oregon, the sun that will contain to same by the sovereignty. and there is all integrity of ukraine in georgia for that matter. that will say that will be helping our partners around the world. that's nato's reputation. this is what we, what we are doing just fine. you don't need know. you called on protected or you don't need me to tell you that the ukranian government is waiting for a date for full membership. the foreign minister said that just a few days ago, we would like to have an honest answer to the question when that's what he said. what is the answer? what is them, kenny, that on think, let me give you, let me give you an indirect answer, but nonetheless, very direct us. i'm come from romania. i'm the 1st that you this region. i'm nato,

from a new come into nato. i was foreign minister of my country. i was embarrassed in washington trying to convince the allies to invite my country to join native. he'd anybody tell us when this will happen? did anybody give us a solemn promise that by that date you will be a member of nato. you, romania, you will area you the baltic states. you are the other. know they're fighting. we can be on the border. mr. joe, on like we have been russia. we have been on the, on the, on the border or russia directly or indirectly, like the multi countries for many, many decades. this is not an easy thing. what i'm saying that the booker, as decision on open doors, is that the say it was reconfigured our summit. and it's also up to us to reach consensus within the alliance. and also for we friends in ukraine. the continued up at the reform, you're not going to give them a firm answer, because what russia, d a d c. afraid of want to in time,

we are working on open door policy. our foreign ministers will be meeting next december to to give additional support to our brand countries. they have to keep faith in their own decision to join the west. they have to continue to invest in reforms in ukraine, not for the sake of joining nato or the european union for that matter. but for the sake of you can people. and this is why i'm adamant against the idea that russia can have a veto. or we can accept ever in europe again, spheres of influence. and when a sovereign nation is borrowed from joining the kind of military alliances or the kind of structures they want to join, someone has actually enforced that bar very effectively. but in the short time that we have left, i'd like to talk just briefly about china because the recent nato summit prioritized what you called may genes coercive policies and the increasing dangers

it poses to the west. your bus yet starting back said these challenges had to be on . so how have you proposed to answer these challenges? i remember being new on the job. the 1st time that we had a mention, an explicit reference to china, efficient nato document was in london in 2019. when our leaders met. it was the 1st time that in the final communicate, china was mentioned. and to put it in a very simple way, we presented china, which is the reality as an opportunity and a challenge. and we started to work on the rise of china because the rise of china is a reality that is shifting global balance of power. it's also a massive opportunity, that's a big country with a big economy, with lots of opportunities to do things. also, there is a challenge because china is becoming a massively, you know,

an aggressively investing in the, in the, me to keep abilities and the portion globally. so yes, we are working on what they call friends of work, but there's also, i knowledge hide your alliance because there are plenty of your members who don't like this new focus on china. president macro, for instance, was pretty clear he said make as an organization that concerns the north atlantic. china has little to do with the north atlantic. it's important that we don't scatter ourselves and that we don't bias our relationship with china. we should avoid distracting nato, which already has many challenges. do you agree with him? the china as a distraction for nato? i agree with what our lead us all our leaders, including the fresh president, the german chancellor, the american president, the president romania. they all agreed on the language in our final communicating. nobody was forcing countries either way when he motion immediately afterwards. it's

important that we find ourselves. i'm bias our relation just fine. china. that's fine. we can use that to be a regional organization by un sanders. we are your atlantic organization where the rise of china is a global thing. oh, okay. the language that also beijing has criticize. you know, if i don't communicate, he's a lighter than the you language on china. and he will language on china, official language of you on china that they see china is a systemic rival. ok. i think he's much harsher in terms of and that's again, present micro, again, other european atlanta where we run out of time. unfortunately. thank you very much . for being on conflicts, and i appreciate all my time. thank you. always a pleasure. thank you. the news

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