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[000:00:00;00] the who's this is the deputy news live from the catastrophic flooding kills more than 150 people in germany and belgium. as the board has subsides, the massive, clear up against. and the search for survivors is not over. around a 1000, residents are still missing in town. devastated by the flooding. also coming up, rival cuban factions class. and she lay hundreds gathered to show solidarity with unprecedented protest against the communist regime. back home in havana and freedom
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day for the year k, britain gets ready to celebrate the end of nearly all social distancing restrictions. worried scientists warning that covered 19 cases of reading rising sharply. ah, i'm anthony. how welcome the worst flooding in decades has killed at least 150 people in europe. most of the deaths are in western germany, chancellor angle america will visit the worst affected areas on sunday. the disaster area stretches between the districts of hinds beg off start and avida of either bravo, near the border with the netherlands and belgium, a massive cleanup operation is on the way as breski cruise search for survivors. more than a 1000 are still missing. they'll be report okay,
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brady has been to some of the flooded villages around bon destruction and every on every corner the only found on the street mud being scraped away and tractors, rumbling through the ones picturesque town of violet. here in violet. the water has subsided and it's only now that the real true extent of the damage caused by the floods is really coming to light. a lot of people are returning to their homes for the 1st time since the flood the seems a devastating for those. returning the owners of this home moved in only 6 months ago, the flood water reached halfway up the walls of the 1st floor. still, smith could react quickly enough to move our belongings. we had to sit upstairs for 24 hours because the fire service came and asked, have you been hurt? if not, then you'll have to manage on your own. on emma's cooking, but at least were alive. i've been unable,
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if there were so many this is on its own believable. you can't imagine what's happening here. he's pushed at the park, the other the volunteers, family and friends have travelled far and wide to violate to help those effected the here clearing homes while supplying people with the basics. mancuso pushing for ties trouble this morning i was handing out breakfast down by the river. there was a family that couldn't come out of the house. so i got the supplies to them over the balcony. fire the garbage room. the all the for many locals right now, one financial help from the state quickly and were this little red tape as possible further north and after that, a donation bank, a school has been overwhelmed with clothes and food. donations have stopped now because they just kept coming. it just became too much. those definitely plenty of
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willingness to help. some locals evacuated from after that this week and also being sheltered at the school. many feel left in the dark. doesn't you mind them? and like you can, there should be an official from the city that you can talk to, even if they don't have much new to say. but at least then you'd have the feeling that they care for, for the men to come to come on. we don't know whether we'll get in our house again at all. can you even live there is no more than a rigid all gone forever. when many of those affected that question could take weeks? months if not years to be answered. brady, there with a view of the situation in the villages near cologne and bon also in that region. as the w report of martha in the town of cincy to the south of cologne. kate, tell us what happened exactly where you are now so just behind me is a residential home for disabled people. and this is sadly where 12 of the residents,
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1232 residents, tragically drowned as they were unable to reach the higher ground home in time. so if you look behind me here, you can see where the water level reach just above the 1st floor, just about the fast windows and tragically because the water came in so fast, they were unable to be safe. and so 12 of them lost their lives here and i took a walk around the building slightly earlier. and what i saw that was really, really saturday saw people was belonging. they looked in the windows and saw that bed and a cop on the table. and a picture on the floor and you really get a feel for how these each individual one is, is a tragedy in itself. devastating what's happened there and as be possibly now soon to ask how this could have happened. so that's a really good question and it's one here. everyone in the village has been asking people just don't understand why some of the most memorable people here in the city
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in the town was not rescued in time. and some people in that, some residents, i asked the neighbor across the road from the herman she told me that they didn't receive any warning along the street. and other people say yes, they were one. but at the same time, the water just came in unprecedented. be that people just want able to be saved, but definitely the question remains on everyone's lips. how did this tragedy happen? how exactly other residents coping? it all sounds so completely traumatic. yes. so that definitely is a sensor kind of collective trauma here. but was there definitely kind of gallows humor, which is getting people through, through people trying to make the best of a bad situation. but they did say some of the residents told me that they had the screams, that people were trying to stay on home. some of the residents across the road and they, you know, it's something like that. it's just gonna stay with the people for,
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for a long time. since it is just one of the villages and towns in this region, devastated by the floods, give us a sense if you can of what these places were like before. the deluge through this area of germany is actually really beautiful area. so i'm and usually, and that's what makes this tragedy even hard to understand is actually, gentleman is wine country there and vines growing on the hills. white and the river, all wet, which actually overflowed is usually incredibly small and very river. and this is where people come on holidays or it just this really brings them the kind of destruction and the chaos that people just want expecting in this corner. western germany from the town of cincy, near cologne, dw reporter type matter. thank you so much. meanwhile these 24 people have died in belgium, where the government has declared choose day,
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a day of national mourning the cities of the age in belgium and feigned lo and in the netherlands of things, devastated in fellow 10000 people were told to leave their homes while 200 patients, one moved from the hospital in the a, the swollen nurse, a reversed it's bank command is these days. the flooding is the worst i've ever experienced. the floods have receded from the streets of pep instead, leaving the mud behind. president said, toiling to reclaim their homes, praying that the rain holds off the days of heavy down cause turn this gentle stream into a raging torrent houses along the river bank. overwhelmed by the force of the water cause sweat. so the roads, residents in shock. know how many selfish i mean, we've never seen anything like this before. i would never imagine that there's been
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a bit of water before, but nothing like we could never imagine the water up to the ceiling. it's the catastrophe. european commission president of on the line came to take stock of the damage, little pulled up the vehicle and she's promising long term help. of course, the european union has been helping with helicopters with both. but i just show up with citizens that we will, of course, here also for reconstruction. outside assistance is welcome for the community is pulling together to get through the worst. it's a new male and so i'm really surprised, but very happy to see the solidarity of his develop. honestly, it's amazing. the water is on its way out, but it will be a long time before things get back to normal. ok, let's take a look now,
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some of the other stories making headlines around the world. syrian liter basha allison has been sworn in as president for another 7 year term in office. extensive families will do almost 6 decades when germany and the u. s. have condemned the presidential election held in may, is not the free nor fit. because if the president j a ball scenario could be just discharged from hospital in the coming days, that's according to doctors in south palo, where he's being treated for a blocking test problem. stems from a near fatal stabbing during his 2018 campaign. latin american governments are divided. the unprecedented protest seen in cuba. thousands joined the biggest demonstrations. the in decades intentions have now boiled over in chalet. bravo cuban factions clashed outside the embassy in the capital. santiago, classes on the streets of santiago, cases,
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both for and against the cuban government traded blows with each other and with the police. emotions are running high after the largest anti government protests on the island in decades. many cubans living in chile felt the need to show solidarity with protesters and their families back home. it was just impossible to live in cuba. you can't do it anymore. my family is hungry, the new medicine, new phase. don't have to send the money. it's very, very hard. not only government protests is charge keeping president miguel diaz canal of running a dictatorship. they say people living on the island a suffering under extreme economic and social hardships. meanwhile, across the street, government supporters called for an end to the cade's long us blockade of cuba. de stress, the cube is problems should be for cuba alone to resolve. look,
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want to support the government. we don't want an intervention. we want cuba problems to be solved in cuba. i think they do have the havana is facing major purchased at home and abroad. and that also means on the street of 20 millions of people in britain looking forward to what the government is billing as freedom day when nearly all social distancing and other corona virus restrictions being dropped in fiction numbers in the u. k. already rising sharply because of the delta variance worried scientist, the warning against the big national reopening. but many rebels just can't wait to party the party for the times of the panoramic. these ladies are determined to have fun. even though rules apply, group size is limited to 6 per table. and dancing is strictly prohibited.
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to now guess this bar in london have to be screened, registered, and can stay for no longer than 2 and a half hours. but that is all about to change on the stroke of midnight on sunday. so i was talking a ribbon that was going to be done so, and i think it's going to be the most magical moment when you've got people that haven't been able to john and saying i just re no rush on the on the door. and when i get back to these parties looking forward to the new old freedoms, oh my goodness, it would just be so nice there. so many of my friends have been getting married and i haven't had a celebration like that. i like to seems to be like, it seems like he's been on hold for a long time. so it would be lovely when you know people are allowed to make some
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interest. stop for preparing for some brisk business by religious. less optimistic when they're open next week. he will see a series of traces because that population hopefully vaccinated at the not, not, not masking there for very close contact. heavily breathing charging very loudly to the music mix saying that's a different people default. that's a perfect mixing vessel for the virus is spread. and even generate new very such warnings falling on deaf ears after many months of restrictions, rebel is set to party like there is no tomorrow. the now some of cinemas biggest stars have been in front of the cameras as the comes in festival draws to a close in the south of france. at rest, sharon stone and 0 chiefs blankly announced the biggest prize. the dog went to 2
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what, what are logical the built to do, right? we used to chop would not have machine shop would. so part of that is being replaced. and eventually i think human even human brain eventually will be maybe a lot of it will be replaced by computers. they can do a lot of it together. but like, yeah, you're comparing that and i think you're right on this. but on the other side, i would say nature is kind of striving for balance, right? those always kind of everything is in balance. and if human doesn't exist, everything will being balance. a human breaks the balance. mm if you look at the see here, i taught, imagine what to say is going to be like in like 50 years. let's see like, 15 years ago. probably be of much
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label the engine. the conflict with jim sebastian after 20 years fighting tal about insurgence and failing to defeat them. plato forces i'm pulling out of afghanistan . my guess this week is mid july. my deputy secretary general of nato, who joins me this week from the alliance's headquarters in belgium, odyssey justified the abandonment of the afghan people at the time of maxim conflict. on d. w. very, we are mr. long renown was mom. i will get one of the media likes of michelangelo. my daughter to the environmental disaster is unfolding here that the wars and in europe they would all be joining the model, tories of kara in 30 minutes on
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d. w. these places in europe are smashing all the records into a bowl and venture the treasure map for modern globetrotters discover some of us a record breaking on june. and now also in book form the we knew that our decision to a role would entail risk. you know, what kinds of raising the band, imposing on the areas make control public speaking and execution, india. and it's up to the grantees to really decide what's the future. he's not up to us after 20 years fighting taliban insurgents and failing to defeat them. they so forces pulling out of town. it's fun, last week or exponents reported there's more than half the countries at fallen to
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the taliban advance. my guess this week is mid july. my deputy secretary general of nato, who joins me this week from the alliance's headquarters in belgium. how does he justify the abandonment of the afghan people at the time of maximum need the message on welcome to contact phone. thank you for having me. the war in afghanistan may be over for nato, but it most certainly isn't for the people of that country. what does it say about your alliance? when the mission fails, you cut and run and abandoned your friends to a very dangerous future. listen, we've been in, i've gone on for almost 20 years now. we all, they remember 911. the 1st time that article 5 was invoked and all allies and
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global partners have basically stayed for 20 years and i've got some so i remember in prison by then i think the other day just mentioned the fact there was an attempt to put an end to our presence, you know, going on in 2011. so the 10th, if you want, any bursary of our presence. so we're not running away. we are just closing along chapter. we know that putting an end to our mission is also entailing risks. we are, we are lucid about this things, but the decision to put an end of the certain point of a long, protracted mission was something which was taken by our all our lives by american friends and allies. and now we're opening a new chapter. we're not about and it goes on. we want you to help. i'm going to stand mr. joanna. the fact is, you're setting a very dangerous precedent for nato, which is leaving your friends and allies at the time when they desperately need you
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. and i wonder if that's really a label that you want to wear around the world. we have been training over 300000. i've gone meter insecurity forces for all these years. we've invested millions of dollars or euro's so whatever currency partners have for the national budgets. we've been investing in this country massively, not only in security and defense, but i'm looking at the numbers. since our presence in oregon, nissan, the number of children enrolled in schools in education, increased by 8000000. many of those young girls, how long do you have been asked mr. jones, how long do you think you're going to love the figures that i would like you to think of that more than 100? 6400 districts have been seized by the taliban in the last 2 months. key provincial cities, north and south,
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under siege. hundreds of people are dying every week and important people in afghanistan, professional people, women in public life are being targeted, shot at, on the streets and that cars blow not by bombs. those are the figures that the people in afghanistan have to deal with. now. now that you've left them, general scott miller, the commander stood down. he doesn't deny that they're leaving friends in need. he said, i don't like leaving friends in need. we should be concerned the loss of terrain. and the rapidity of that loss has to be concerning. you look at the security situation, it's not good. you're pushing these people into the arms of a very cruel and they brutal. and so some people a very primitive movement that has no regard for human rights or justice whatsoever . so we are fully aware of the situation which is not looking great. we also fully aware that there might be risks for reversal of some of the positive reforms
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that we have been encouraging over the years. we also aware the fact that the gun forces that we've been training with enormous investments on our side, they also have to start performing some of the some of the losses of territory that you have mentioned. also, due to the fact that there is an impact on the morale of the gun forces, including because of the departure of nato and the u. s. allies. some of those are strategical because they decided as far as we know for them to concentrate the resources that they have considerable resources that they have in order to protect the most strategic irrelevant places. but in the end, it's not up to us to decide you know, the future of going on and we hope, and we encourage interrupt gone p stocks because at the same moment the room for diplomacy will arrive. and i hope you are very soon. well,
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there is enormous criticism of your withdrawal from experts from military personnel generals who are involved in commanding forces in nature intelligence chief saying that basically this is a sorry moment for western grand strategy. we've lost the plot here. that's no, david richard's a former british commander of nato forces in afghanistan. he said a country that we promised a huge amount to faces almost certain civil war with the likelihood that the taliban will be back to where they were in 2000. and one you think he doesn't know what he's talking about, the direct experience of afghanistan, direct experience of dealing with the taliban. as i mentioned, then we mentioned very clear that we knew that our decision to withdraw would entail risks. it's a bit more than we also because it's a bit more than risks. it's reality. we have done in this country for many, many long years. but let me also say, you know,
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also also something else that there is a certain moment. a decision that is not easy because if we would be in this logic, we'll continue to stay on and on and on one more year, one more year. it's already 20 years on 9112022 is 20 years. so that's a very tough choice. that the american president, the assay nato, have to be doing. what we need now to do is to not to give up on, i've got a son in also not even to have this kind of sometimes legitimate, but sometimes exaggerated points of concern. we believe the civil war is, is not unavoidable enough. nissan. we believe there is a chance for peace talks to resume in the hallway elsewhere. we are also seeing regional powers, also concerned. you know, you're, if you're doing this picture on your clutching at straws here, your summit communicate last month speaks, as you said, of opening
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a new chapter in nature's relationship with afghanistan. you said we affirm our commitment to continue to stand with the country, its people and its institutions in promoting security and not holding the hard one gains of the last 20 years. do you know what kind of regime the taliban have been imposing on the areas they control? public beatings and executions. women denied basic rights education jobs. no freedom of speech, a justice system based on torture. you know what you've handed them over to the people of afghanistan. as i mentioned, we are fully aware of the risks that are ahead of us at the same time. let me also say something that the original purpose of our present 20 years ago in afghanistan is to make sure that i've got the sun is not becoming again, a safe haven terrorist in 20. is this not been not a single terrorist attack from
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a gun? nissan. on natal soil, this is in itself, one of the primary goals of our presence there. again, this is something that we are fully supportive of a future of gun nissan. that they will decide together. we believe that some of the reforms that we have contributed to will also be defended. not only needed to re terms, but also the if anybody got people themselves. so i do not believe that there is today a chance for some form of taliban rule that will be taking control over the whole country. i believe there is enough capacity in that country to, to defend this hardly gained progress in social and human human rights. but in the end, it's up to the gun people to really decide what the future was. yeah. but to 80, to the side on behalf of the gun people are when we don't believe and i'm i'm,
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i strongly believe. i strongly believe that there will be some form of political settlement among the, the various constituencies ethnic groups and also philosophies and ideologies. inside argon and the purpose of the inter i've gone talks. well, let me just point out some of the comments that disagree with that enormously. in particular, from before my head of britain secret intelligence service, alex young goes to don last year. and he said he was frustrated. by the way, we, we, the international community have failed. we have failed to match our ambitions with a proper political plan. that's his view. and his view is also that there is a perfectly cordial relationship between the taliban and al qaeda. and he's predicting that i've done this time will likely descend into civil war. you point out that i haven't been any terrorist attacks from afghanistan,
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the time that nato has been there. he says, neither islamic state, nor alti the have gone away. and now they have a good chance to come back. you happy about that? this is another expert. you don't think he knows what he's talking about as well. when i mention that we are ending a chapter in our relationship with our danny son, i speak on behalf of nato. this time and opening a new one doesn't mean that we are leaving a gun. he's done with elementary presence and not continue to support. i've got his son, including the security community forces, the nato trust funds for i've got the sounds on forces, is fully replenished up to 2024, billions of dollars that we have at our disposal to continue to train. of course, not in in country. they're also allies, america, 1st and foremost, that are now looking and preparing over the horizon as we call them military and
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capabilities to be able to intervene in, in case of need. so i think i did that way. i think of need now they're not intervening. now, but there's a lightning advance going on by the taliban. whereas with that, which i would likely disagree because there's also public reports that there is we continue to give support to the oregon on forces. we continue to help them run their air force, which is quite performing by the way, we continue to train the special forces which are quite performed by the way. of course, we know that in some portions of gun nissan we, we also have the same information and even more intel that there are some forums with the morale of the troops. some of them are taking refuge in neighboring countries in tajikistan, in other places. we are not in the situation to ignore the reality, which is a hard reality. but in the end, the moment of our ending of our mission and i've got, the sun would have come. he's that the perfect moment for that. no, it isn't. it is a great solution. no,
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it isn't. it is one of the options that we have on our hand to continue to help. i'm going to on the yes it is that's and i'm, i'm encouraged of the fact that also other international plays not only nato about the only the us. nothing really. okay. not in germany. oh, really well turkey, the dentist on professional dialogue on that. it's not a great tribute when the best thing that joe biden can say about your mission is that it hasn't failed yet. you think, withdrawing all the troops and leaving the country to be overrun by the taliban enhances your partnership with afghanistan. i'm not sure how you work that out. we need to continue to support the ongoing afghan lead piece process. you say what process is that? you know perfectly well that i haven't been any sustain talks between the government and natal about for months. sometimes the taliban turn up to talk. sometimes they don't. why construct these fairytale scenarios that have absolutely nothing to do with reality?
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the peace process will resume and the peace process is not always resuming, as we have hoped. also because there is, like always in negotiation, at least 2 parties, the gun legitimate government. and sometimes the government has not shown up to these negotiations. sometimes it's only been playing, they were excluded from the deal that the americans did one day, the government and i've done this, that was excluded completely on the deal. so this was always going to be contained no assurances whatsoever about democracy or a constitution or elections or anything else that might help people to hope. as you put it, hope that the gains of the last 20 years could be somehow retained nothing differently than because i hear you. this is things that we also concerned about. but here there are 2 options. there's no way in which the thought bond can take over control over the whole country because the other constituencies and other forces that will
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not allow that. so there is no way for the tale bond to take over by force the whole of our gunny son. we also are aware, the fact that heading off connie, some going back to the period when the affections and some form of, of long term you know, in fighting inside the country is also another solution. not for the tale bond nor for the other forces. so there will be a political compromise to be met. if this is the right time, we hope it is easy, only the role of the u. s. and they totally encourage both parties to, to join again, negotiations in doha elsewhere. know, this is why we see interesting, you know, encouragement for parties to resume talks, also by russia also by china, also by other neighboring players. so i think nobody but nobody from dimensions
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community is interested in having a gunny some going that there was a think wrote that they had many years ago. well, with that one of the left without just left they may not be able to prevent it. mister john, i come back to the question. he can we just discuss nato's credibility after this? withdraw? not just in central asia, but around the world, leaving friends in need. and those are the words of general scott mella leaving friends in need. severely damages your credibility at a time when you really need it. how much value do you think ukraine, for instance, places on your messages to support when it watches you give up on i've got to stand and pull out, leaving it to the taliban. i'm not here to do to have on an argument over this. i'm saying that 20 years is a long period of time me thing in one place and trillions of dollars and thousands
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of lives. the allied troops and partners globally that have also sacrificed alongside with guns in these 20 years in 20 years. and we can, we, if you want, we can have counterfactual thing. we could continue. we should have lots of left probably earlier. is there the right moment to do this? no, it isn't. is this a moment? don't have to, to make up a decision. yes. it is. and he's up to all of us, including the, mainly the people are going to on the really side what's the future? and of course, we are interested about nathan reputation. we are, we are of strong military alliance. we know that sometimes our actions are inactions. also having an impact. i'm not concerned to, to, to, to, to tell you the whole truth that our reputation as an alliance will be diminished by this. we've been sitting for 20 years. there's no other similar situation when a global alliance around the nations,
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from all the content is not on the nato countries. we have come to the help of all american friends and allies. all right, my is my question. my question mr. joiner was what you thought ukraine might make of all this, considering that they're also in receipt of very nice words and promises from nature like nato's support for ukraine sovereignty and territorial integrity is unwavering. when in practical terms, that's actually meaningless, isn't it? because nathan can do nothing to prevent ukraine sovereignty and territorial integrity being violated. wholesale by russia, as it has been since 2014. so nice, nice word is not that you want to be known for nice words. absolutely. just the opposite. what i'm saying, we cannot compare on comparable things. i'm going to send these down to your crane . and that's a totally different ball game and story behind this to these 2 situation. well,
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let me be specific when you remember, remember the older generations. speaking of the annexation illegal annexation of crimea, do we remember when the baltic states were an x by soviet union? was the same awards, as you mentioned now, that when the u. s. and western europe, downtime in small nato. in those days they said they will never recognize the annexation of the baltic states, the soviet union. this can take time, decades. we needed to wait for the end of the cold war. and today, the more thing, nations, i'm proud members of our alliance, i know in your interviews with my colleagues with your sort of burke and my pieces as a really good them are you asked the question, can we really find these countries our l i c s. we have an obligation towards ukraine in terms of article 5, not yet. but when a nice will have that decision will also defend all allies the today,
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there are 30 allies that we have promised solemnly to defend one another miss. you, you. i know that sometimes words mean not to be strong enough them, but they mean something they meet political commitment from the leaders. and the moment we have decided that our nato summit in june on june 14th, it will continue to help oregon is done. it will continue to saying by the sovereignty, and there is all integrity of ukraine in georgia for that matter. that will say that will be helping our partners around the world that need those reputation. this is what we, what do we find? you don't need not. so long protected or you don't need me to tell you that the ukranian government is waiting for a date for full membership. the foreign minister said that just a few days ago, we would like to have an honest answer to the question when that's what he said. what is the answer? what is them, kenny, that on think, let me give you, let me give you an indirect answer, but nonetheless,
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very direct answer. i'm come from romania. i'm the 1st that you this region. i'm nato, from a new come into nato. i was foreign minister my country. i was embarrassed in washington trying to convince the allies to invite my country to join native. he'd anybody tell us when this will happen? did anybody give us a solemn promise that by that date you will be a member of nato. you, romania, you will area you the baltic states you the others know they're fighting. we will be on the border. mr. joe on. is it likely we have been rush? no, no. we have been on the, on the, on the border or russia directly or indirectly, like the multi countries for many, many decades. this is not an easy thing. what i'm saying that the booker, as decision on open doors, is that the say it was reconfirm that our summit. and it's also up to us to reach consensus within the alliance. and also for we are friends in ukraine, continued up at the reform. you're not going to give them
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a firm answer because what russia did a diesel freight of i did want to in time, we are working on open door policy. our foreign ministers will be meeting next december to to give additional support to our for in the countries they have to keep faith in their own decision to join the west. they have to continue to invest in reforms in ukraine, not for the sake of joining nato, the european union for that matter, but for the sake of ukrainian people. and this is why i'm adamant against the idea that russia can have a veto. or we can accept ever in europe again, spheres of influence. and when a sovereign nation is borrowed from joining the kind of military alliances or the kind of structures they want to join when someone has actually enforced that bar very effectively. but in the short time that we have left, i'd like to talk just briefly about china because the recent nato summit
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prioritized what you called beijing coercive policies and the increasing dangers it poses to the west. your bus yet starting back said these challenges had to be answered. how have you proposed to answer these challenges? i remember being new on the job that the 1st time that we had a mention, an explicit reference to china efficient nato document was in london in 2019 when our leaders met. it was the 1st time that in a final communique, china was mentioned and to put it in a very simple way, we presented china, which is the reality as an opportunity and a challenge. and we started to work on the rise of china because the rights of china is a reality that is shifting global balance of power. it's also a massive opportunity. that's a big country, was a big economy with lots of opportunities to do things. also, there is
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a challenge because china is becoming a mess they be you know, an aggressively investing in the, in the military facilities and their portion globally. so yes, we are working on what they call friends of work. but there's also my knowledge hide your alliance because there are plenty of your members who don't like this new focus on china. president macro, for instance, was pretty clear. he said, nate as an organization that concerns the north atlantic. china has little to do with the north atlantic. it's important that we don't scatter ourselves and that we don't bias our relationship with china. we should avoid distracting nato, which already has many challenges. do you agree with him? the china as a distraction for nato? i agree with what our lead us all our leaders, including the fresh president, the german chancellor, the american president, the president, romania, they all agreed on the language in our final communicate team. nobody was forcing
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those countries either way. when he motion immediately afterwards. it's important that we, that's why i'm bias our relation just fine. china, that's fine. we can use that to be original organization by un sanders. we are your atlantic organization by the rise of china is a global thing. oh, okay. the language that also beijing has criticize, you know, if i don't communicate, he's a lighter than the you language on china. and he, you language on china, official language of you on china that they see china is a systemic rival. ok. i think he's much harsher in terms of and that's again, present micro, again, repeat where we run out of time. unfortunately, thank you very much for being on conflicts and i appreciate my time. thank you. always a pleasure. thank you. the
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