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[000:00:00;00] ah, yes, healed my sponsor, the cemetery is where the resistance fighters of the 1942 war. so cancer uprising, a barrier of science here. you can it's unix. this is where the commander is buried, who died in 2009 on kelly monic 8 on the i know he was a doctor and a hero. there's not any of the resistance, but also later in the solidarity movement. solid almost vehicle. but
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mostly in the worst ghetto, the hero before during and after the war. if you see him all these graves are a former comrades in arms, and there are lots of women among them to ask them what heart warming is that all the people who live here are clearly the jews that refused to be led like lambs to the slaughter the famous thing goes, god, but alas their soul, they didn't know what was coming up, but it just shows that they were people who stood up thought who took action, who mustered from all the courage they could to defend the jewish people on. it's very impressive for 7, but would it happen more than people realize how they feel the traditional story of the marker base and how they stood up and fall back and the jews and never gave him the credit they did. there was so many who stood up and defended them, sat on school, all of those in the resistance of the party dance. wanted to under communism. it's
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often forgotten how many jews were involved. a mom, but edelman was also a hero among polish people. and he's still well known today. thank. this is a memorial for the fighters at the warsaw ghetto uprising. and in the center of the monument light motor car on your laving trip, which was the young leader of the uprising, the atlantic just a few weeks. but it was very powerful about how to sell the house i use that was for us, very obvious, but we don't want to focus only on holocaust. we never, ever are daring to diminish the tragedy, but without showing 1000 years of reach civilization, culture,
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jewish life. it's kind of a, you know, you are missing the whole complex, 1st of all. and that's our mission, is to bring back the history and memory about jewish life and jewish culture. so we knew that we would like to make the story about 1000 years. by the way, the only museum of this kind you can find, in fact, in the television, israel bait has fulfilled diaspora museum. but we decided this, we will focus on the history here in poland. and why did so many jews came to poland a 1000 years ago? well, they came in fact most may be 1000, but 800 years ago, there are few factors. first, the full rulers were encouraging jews to come here to settle to pay taxes. they became part of economical system, instead of rulers were giving protection to jewels so they can, they could feel safe here. please keep in mind that that's the moment,
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1213th 14th century, when jews are expelled from western europe, their expels from england from france, from spain, and they find here the shelter their home. can you tell us something about casa and cinema one before we're 2nd? yes, sure, that was really the moment of kind of a golden age for jewish culture. please keep in mind that in poland before the war there were 3 medium, 300 jewels who are living here were so was the 2nd biggest jewish city apart from new york. and the jews discovered that they can have secular culture in earlier periods juice. basically their, their culture was very connected to religion. now they found that in these, their mom washing their, their home language, it might be used for theaters for movies, for pieces, for books. so you have to please keep in mind, but for the 3000300 people,
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they were so interested in everything. so they were creating their own culture. the ah use opera is a question is what's happened in hungry in recent years? and what impact has it had on minority, including jews out as an undercurrent that goes way back and far right parties that was created by vic to all bye. but he can press the button at anytime. look that i think that's the fear that many jewish people in europe have. i know that this mechanism one, i mean he was lol yourself, into a sense of security and someone can come along and change everything in an instant . like internally with the f. d rapp, call out of their hold as soon as you put food in front of them. and that's exactly what's happening. that's the undercurrent long enough and hungry must have been
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preparing itself for that for a long time. surely, they've always had an undercurrent of people. maybe the 20 percent or even more for not only anti semitic, but also anti democratic who want to strict leadership. and you really do see that in a lot of european countries that these people are generally doormats until they can come up to the surface. and not, not only with no just shows that the world is more complex and we tried to make some of the biggest anti semites are also defenders of israel. everything's changing a little. and as long as it's not anti jewish in any way, why shouldn't you be allowed to criticize israel's government? which incidentally made a pact with autobahn too i should have that right? ah
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practiced here by liberal jewish families. as ever it's only for boys, girls are apparently so worth listen, judaism you're right. equality is a big topic with in today's jewish communities. and i hope things change very soon . that's a very or by the sion which is not returned to tom wasn't about a 100100 years we do. there is a sentence in the, in the bible in there. that's it is, it's very hard for me to, to translate in that, in the bible to, to edition we, we look at the boy like, like at 3 and, and, you know, we are not allowed that the rabbi stays and those are not allowed to, for the 1st 3 years to take the fruit from the, from the 3. so we compare somehow with the child,
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the boy that we believe is hair for 3 years. it's not because of the power, but we do believe that when he will be 3 years or he will able to recognize the midst of all i'm putting this here. it's a symbol of mixture. look, i'm putting this around, you shall be. and now i'm going to put on your kid when he was already and this is 124 and okay, 100. 24. you're now in the put it in here. the
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ah ah, ah, i call it texting to match. i really do. if you ask me, who am i will take like this, this can go last to find the sample. it's like so it's so it's not heavy and it's like not so sweet, but very true. so it's like a long we're lying away with this just said the vet also typically jewish. ok? yes. i have my for example, and this this little hungry area cake. and it's something like you dish and mom. you know, like other time they did that,
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they want to make some cake for holiday to all the stuff in degrees. if they went in the like prophecies app to plum jam and not how important is the jewish influence? i think in every way. so one way, the flow of me, which i ring the christmas fair and being hungry and holidays is ralph because i keep it very important to people that know that the beloved by sex and the other hand, i think everything i have in myself is something like this ladder basically like how i do business, how i love to work, how i love to make tiegs. so all my ideas where they came from hall was i learn, i think it's oh, this is burt and celebrating sure. but every course shabbots
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need. there is the place where you are, it's not just like they are rolling and rolling in the end of the day. you just feel like yes, want to be captain. and i don't have someone, it's time because, you know, like i have visited to the and go, i would go together finally like my husband. and then in the days of us, everybody of my friends there, some of them always invite you can come or come come i come fade. but for some people it's always like a table and it's very relaxed because you know that she will see them and received them. you can give me give every jewish person we talk to in budapest and tell us it's a great place to live that there jews,
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but also hungarians at heart in equal measure. see how great everything is. how fantastic life is here. it's very, we read non stop about or about interest semitism from the other party. i feel like it doesn't really look at it. so it's always covered because that's just how it is . when you actually go into these planes, you get a much more varied perspectives. when you click on the outside perspective, we have from the media and perhaps doesn't correlate with what the people tell you . but maybe that just shows that the situation isn't black and white and it's neither right or wrong go the post. the great synagogue is this way. it's an exciting place for all europe really because it's a place that represents a modern debate about 2 days actually. which direction should it go from y'all? should it open up reform liberal young about it was built 170 years ago. after much
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it's the location of the 1st ghetto. it was here that the jewish population was 1st separated and segregated. the venice later contributed significantly to the development of jewish intellectual. as for example, in early printing and economic problems like to be a jew here in the 16th century livers, calling the despite all the difficulties, it was a very exciting time, jewish life, jewish printing, economy and culture developed enormously and radiated out into europe. ah
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ah ah me the me if he would sit now a tooth reading of the 17th century to get though, would they have play this kind of music at the wedding? oh, absolutely. but what was special about the ghetto, of course, is probably if you went to a german jewish wedding, they would have german music with the little italian music put in if you went to a what they called the 11 teen jews. so from north africa, they went out of spain supported to then they ended up,
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they went north africa and then they ended up in venice. lane motor talks about their music, liturgical music being turkish founding. so i think they also, they're instrumental music would have been turkey, found the spanish the same for spanish and of course, for italians and were living in the ghetto at the time where the carnival m a committee of the last day was really starting. so that would have had an enormous influence as well on the instrumental music. ah ah, i think i think this journey has shown me the jewish communities are very diverse
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and vibrant. every day. life has been shaped not by foreign politics, which is the impression that we always get. but my question was, how can we continue to live the jewish life? can we establish on sounds like a lot of jewish centers are being built with? people are trying to open new ones about i feel that there's a lot of vitality then it'll be 20 faithfully can i imagined it being very different. i come from berlin, where all our schools are guarded by police and israeli security. and i thought it probably be similar. another country, poland, for example, my parents are both holocaust survivors from poland. and there's been such positive progress in wars. the loudest foundation has allowed them to build these new schools. there's a really young jewish life that's growing and flourishing and blossoming. there was such
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a surprising momentum. there is one mental one put up and in budapest you see how briefly they go about life and maintaining a jewish community of 60000 people. if you look at it from the outside, without going there might assume they're doing badly at the political situation is terrible today. and it is terrible. but they're making something at their own from it is what i don't just adapt to the regime. they had that own position there, establishing jewish life there because they think it will along our lives. the regime was evenings. on the other hand, you have a big interest in medic, racist movement. that in certain circumstances can lead to jews either assimilating completely or leaving leave aware of that. so you wouldn't have had the free decision to the thing and they've just lied to me. there's nothing holding them back in an environment that marginalize is all threatened. someone help us even if we're good examples of that on these trends in families and
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communities that are primarily concerned with the day to day long and not with big politic and just trying to establish a good life as best they can. and if they can't, the job to the community and vice versa, if the community and above all, the politics can't keep them safe, then they simply leave here in venice. in particular, you can see how everything german flowed together to do the asking the and jews. and it's actually a good ending our journey in the get the old days canto in europe. and because it shows that time on the one hand you had exclusion and control of and on the other hand, you had protection that was about the sauce and began to hear with a wonderful finnic with much better than many, many other get before where there was radical exclusion of that. and it also reveals the picture that's much bigger than it was still open in involve name
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b. me are you going to get going to be all day in the ghetto. there are synagogues and the community offices repeated. they call it leave. you see i was born 100 meters from here and attended a jewish school here in the ghetto east. it was a small school with classes of students. we did today from the community is very small ones. i've seen some of the ways on the 1st person from my family arrived in 1500 phone devi. there was an old metal foundry, a italian for a foundry ghetto. so it's thought that's where the word comes from. so to me,
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when the war between spain, france, austria, and the holy seats, a place against the troops arrived here and bennett, who post and the jews, he saw refuge in venice. a mon operator, please easy. they arrived in the early 1500 to lazy thought to me, the venice resist in all the military efforts of spain, france of austria, and the holy c mission. patricians decided to do god a favor and to build a ghetto and venice to keep the juice here. it did on a fairly good. so the very easy. while e. c, we had the old ghetto, was to control the jews who were considered foreigners. already from the mid 16 hundreds, another 5000 jews came here. which was the most there ever was something in little after that you'll things slowly started to decline. this is how many are there today?
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i'll just take all we have for the 2nd world war. there were 1200 jews here. 204 were deported. and after the war there were 1000 gaily see me today. there are 400 of some capital. so you feel more anti semitism today than you used to any they are not remo, mom. they say no. i don't feel any anti semitism here. but of course there are problems with the conflict in the middle east. we all but relation here are fine. was it by that? i have nothing official to get my firm that you did, but it's not a problem in italy. well, legally, italy is a country of disorder. sometimes a bit chaotic. motivated may dollar man, but for now the country is keeping the disorder under control. most of the capacity, the gold lame live this all
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ah, whenever and here my heart just burst yes, there's a very special atmosphere on a friday afternoon and the thing is scatter. and so it's nice that we're ending our journey here today. people prepare for shabbat and go to the synagogue, and then a dinner. ah, i'd normally be doing that right now to lighting candles with my family, saying the kiddish. but i'm very happy to see how they do things here. ah, today you have to spend it with me. we've been invited along later and were meeting after the synagogue. ah, you have the feeling in many parts of europe that jewish life is blooming and blossoming again, rising. but whether it will continue to develop this lee in the future, it's hard to say. ah,
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