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you're watching dw news up next, coban 19 special. this time focusing on the long term effects of the pandemic on children. don't forget, you can get all the latest on our website. that's d w dot com. you can also follow us on instagram and twitter at d. w. news. i'm avia. nice of thanks for watching. ah. the fight against the corona virus pandemic? how has the rate of infection been developing? what does the latest research say? information and context? the corona virus update because the 19 special next on
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d. w. green. do you feel worried about the planet we to i'm neil. host of the on the green fence both coast and to me it's clear. we need to change the solutions or alpha, join me for a deep dive into the green transformation for me to do full of them. ah, ah, the pandemic has been hard on all of us in different ways. but some experts say it's children who suffered most an important phase in their lives and they learned how to interact socially has been interrupted in parts of the world. kids have
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spent months doing lessons in front of a computer in developing countries. many children have missed months of school altogether. how will lead generation of children who grew up in the pandemic cope with the future? will it teach them resilience or weak in their development? welcome to your coven 19 special. i'm chelsea delaney, in berlin. in many countries, children are now able to receive cobra 19 vaccinations. health experts said that's a crucial step to protecting children and their families, as well as keeping schools open. here in germany, children ages 5 to 11 have been eligible for jobs for just over a week. we had a look at how things are going here in berlin. oh, we're good. you. yeah, i was lucky. the 9 year old go was one of the 1st children under 12 to get a cove at 19 job here at a vaccination center in berlin. a union
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knows why she's come my allied i in fact loud. well, because it chases away corona and i think it's just good. eula vine. please. julia was a premature baby born 3 months early and very, very often they were in the hospital with pneumonia. she had to be on a ventilator. and we don't want to experience that again. we have no meta, which virus often, if not, i am a liam. a guy mcveigh can be auth, just like julia all children from the age of 5 and now able to get vaccinated in germany and vaccination lines set up, especially for children. they receive a lower dose than the regular one. mom of many parents have been waiting for this stamp given the high cove at 19 cases among 5 to 11 year olds across germany.
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we hadn't, we have the highest rate in this age group and berlin, it's between 70800 and other german states. it's much higher and that is a great risk of infection taken and the cause of the disease among children is not always mild. hello. for life and especially occasions i've been found to make getting the jap more attractive for kids. here in berlin's nature museum, children get a free ticket to see the dinosaurs after being vaccinated by including younger kids, politicians hope to finally get out of the pandemic. you may get in the more vaccinated people we have in germany, the better we will be able to fight the cove at 19 pandemic that applies to all generations and vaccinated children also offer protection for their family at home . it done so how's a beaten julia and her parents chose the jam because it makes them feel safer. the government hopes that many other families will now follow suit.
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now for more, unless i'm joined by york, dutch from the german society of pediatrics and adolescent medicine. so york, after being in this pandemic for almost 2 years, how are our kids coping well actually, at the very moment, they are doing a little better because the school has been asked, has not been on and off as it used to be at the beginning of the year, but there was a certain degree of persistence of interrupted possibility to meet the children and to his teachings. perience. so we actually know from the enquiries doing better than they did the beginning of the year. so there is some stability now. but how has the pandemic hit different age groups differently throughout these past 2 years? well, there are certain things that have to be put into consideration are,
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1st of all, lessons. they are very keen on getting in touch with the adolescents in the age group. where is younger kids? they have more contact to family environment certainly. and they can more easily be stabilized by, by the emily's but by the parents. so it's actually in particular, the lessons that we are concerned about. and another, the big concern is those family that hadn't got all the means of supporting their church. that for instance, don't have access to to, to, to why fi, they don't accept have access to laptops and everything you need for. well for getting in touch apart from from meeting each other so. so it's not only
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a metal age, but it's also a metal off to technique you mentioned there, but there has obviously been a lot of concern about the impact mrs. having on children's mental health. what should parents or adults be looking out for in their kids? while there are certain things that we have learned so far to depend demik on the one hand, they should have been keeping on the eating be off their church and they are getting more obese. not eating too much and they moving to the actual or is the opposite. then on the other side they have to take care of their children . not getting depressed, not not being said throughout the day or not losing their degree of activity. and finally, they have status of near to,
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to take care that children really still are in touch with their environment that they ask questions that they well stimulate. they approve that they even criticize their parents as long as they do this. this is time when they, when they stop talking and when they stop getting in touch with the environment, one have to worry about that. so we're at a point now where children are eligible for vaccines in some countries. do you see that as a game changer? i, scott, it's not a game changer, but it's extremely good news, especially for the goal that we saw in the in the movie that you just head you who have risk factors for more sci fi call of covert 19 intersections. and 2 for those chokes and it's extreme, the good news, as well as for children that have that have relatives,
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that families that are predisposed for, for most of your cost bases, then again and other children. parents may be quite convinced that explanation is the right thing to do. and we, we absolutely stimulate growth parents to have children next united. but at the same time, we don't argue with parents. i'm not sure about the actual state of the explanation whether they should vaccine it or not. they are not because they are not yet sure about the side effects. and we don't want to, we don't want to stigmatize these parents either. so it's up to the parents, the parents should try to keep as well informed as possible by what they can read, but also talk to the pediatrician today, assembly doctors to get more information and to try decision. and at the end of the
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day, it's most important not to stigmatize appearance that don't don't mix and 8, and need the terms that the fight for the information that you're in touch from the german society of pediatrics and adolescent medicine. thank you so much. thank you. very much for the interview. now it's time for you to ask and for us to answer. here's a viewer question for our science correspondent derek williams. oh, can you tell us more about the effects of lung cove? it in kids? 0, $1.00 of the few upsides, if you will, sorry, covey to is that at least during the act of infection, children are largely spared serious outcomes, like hospitalization and death. but that doesn't mean that some of them won't
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eventually pay a price, estimates for what percentage of children suffer symptoms associated with long covered in the weeks and the months following an infection. they're kind of all over the place, but most researchers in the field seem to agree now that it's significant, although recent data indicates, thankfully, it might not be as common as we once thought. some early research postulated that post coven symptoms might of fact, up to half of all the kids who got that estimate has dropped considerably with a larger recent study. roughly finding more like one and 7 kids are still reporting symptoms. and over 3 months after a covert infection, just like an adults, those long coded symptoms have also been very wide ranging. and kids of the most
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serious reported a fact is called multi system inflammatory syndrome in children or m, i. s c o which can lead to oregon failure. it's fortunately, pretty rare. there have only been around 5 and a half 1000 cases of it reported in the u. s. so far, for instance, more common effects are some times but not always similar to those reported by adults like fatigue or labored breathing or head aids or changes to the sense of smell and taste. neurological symptoms like brain fog, or, or difficulties concentrating, are also widely reported. some studies show that vaccines appear to help cut the risk in an adult of developing long covered if they experience a break transaction may be by as much as half,
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but there isn't enough data yet on whether they also reduce the risk of it in younger kids we just have been vaccinating them long enough to know and finally, pakistan's locked down may have been tough on humans, but it's been a great opportunity for sea turtles to breed. they used to lock down to return to their birth places and huge numbers reclaiming the once polluted. but now serene karachi beaches to lay their eggs. their numbers jump from around 8002019215000 last year. thanks for watching new into the conflict. zoe with sebastian a bigger dispute about fishing were i to the surge of my grims crossing him bronze the britain of consigned anglo french relation. that would be pre my guest and who
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comparison, bruno banal, impede of the ruling. oh, much party is president of michaels policy enough to woo right when voters complet zone next on d. w. the country's dance distances, hulu. the views from the windows hinted them and went to the passengers expect when they disembarked. riding the reins across mongolia. an extraordinary experience in 45 minutes on the w. o. o, a more and eternity
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time. it can be measured precisely. indeed, everyone experiences it differently as if there are different forms of time. time a phenomenon, a dimension. if we know we won't live forever and illusion about time presenting futures past starts december 31st on d. w. here. we very stubborn. as all the french must be what it breaks it is the success of britain prosper. oh, can you bear that idea leaving the european country as a price to pay for? isn't your bother you getting desperate ahead of the elections next year? it has nothing to do next. your selection is react to do with the principle of
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a deal that was signed with a dispute about fishing, right from a surge of migrants crossing from france. britain, a confined anglo french relation to the deep freeze at both sides. lost all sense of perspective. my guest this week from paris is bruno banal, and m. p for the ruling are much party. is president michael. tough foreign policy enough to woo right wing voters before next year's presidential election. bruno but now welcome to come pick zone. let's say that if we made the fishing dispute between france and the u. k, let's step back a moment. we have only 2 nuclear power in europe. allies joined by countless number the project share in common values. and there is now a major diplomatic spat over fishing,
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haven't you got better things to spend your time or? well, you could look at it as a minor issue, but in fact, it's a symbolic one. and that's why i'd say becomes a political one. when, when did in a, that kingdom decided to go for the bricks, it or we respected this choice. we didn't like it, but we respected it. and a contract, a deal was set, especially in this deal of some obscure corners, were cleaned with a specific contract. and the one regarding the fisherman was very important because we know that there is dispute over the waters. and is it is a long, long dispute that up and far before you? it was important to clean up, i understand. but why are we, what, why have we gone to the stage where the threats of a trade war threats to cut off or limits electricity supplies gunboats facing each other? this is become a bit hysterical, hasn't it? i mean, listen to your junior,
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he listened to your junior minister for european affairs klemmer bone. now we must speak the language of force because i fear that unfortunately, this british government understands only this a bit melodramatic, isn't it? you're not talking to moscow. it's only the london moscow must be enjoying leonor mainly and we do talk to friends and allies. there is no issue. but the fact is that if you start breaking a piece of the contract between you and you k, then what is going to happen with the other parts of the contract? for instance, the water in the northern island are all this, all this issue. so the fact that after months and months, 10 months of negotiation, we couldn't find a deal where the french fisherman could have those licenses through to fish in the u. k. waters. ah, if we had to come to a point where, where to put a stick in the ground now it reopened the negotiations. and as usual like brothers, you fight hard. busy then at the end of the day, you find a way to still love each other. yeah,
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been according to the president of the ports of care, lion boulogne, he caught this a drop in the ocean, said the route was ridiculous, and it was all about some small sum. 40 small boats. he said, 40 small boats were licenses for them. you are going to look back in a few years time on back and think you've all taken leave of your senses to get to this stage over the fate of licenses for 40 small boat. it was 240 boats to start with, and i don't know what i'm talking about for the, i don't know. but what i can tell you is that those discussions where, where after this, this agreement, this non agreement on 240 boats. so anyway, it's not the question up number of boats in a question of, as you said, after a couple of years, what are we going to look back? look back at rec, city is a big deal. is it going to be good for you? k, which is going to be good for you if you don't have this trade on the clean plate on
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the clean agreement, that might be really problematic for the future. and that's what our government is trying to preserve. okay, but always seems to stem from your governments insistence on telling the rest of europe, but leaving the union, the european union must be a bad thing. what if brett's it is a success in britain prospers, or can you buy that by dia? well, we'll, we'll convince that all the big challenges of the future can only be analyzed through a continental lens. meaning that the u. s. or. ready the china, the obs is so strong, so powerful that if we will remain single countries with the big challenges of the future space, ocean property protection from the big question, climate change all this issues of to be to come to another level. so leaving the you is not just the perception of a country making its own decision. it's the,
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the idea that this continent, this european continent will be a little weaker to really face challenges of a future, which means growth, employment, economy ecology. so, so we believe that we are strongly european and yes, leaving the european country as a price to pay for. yeah, but you know, i come back to my question, what effects it is a success. you look at the recent note from your prime minister, john caustics to the commission president of the line. he said, it's essential to make clear to european public opinion that leaving the union is more damaging than remaining in it. well, why is it so essential? i you so afraid that other countries are going to thought running for the exit as well as britain? well, looking at the position of certain government in european union, yet you may be concerned by the fact that people could be tempted by exceeding you . and again, we try to protect you as much as we can and talking about erection to success. i
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just can't, can't wait for the next 10 years and see effectively if all those challenges i just mention can be just faced at a single country level. or if you need the power europe even look at the recent sanitary crisis that we faced, the agreement between older european countries, micky, possible, made it possible to really quickly find solutions that single countries by themselves couldn't find and didn't have the means to really invest in to make this described as, as, as, as, as smoothly as possible. if i can say, so, you're talking about the pandemic. you're talking about code it. the pandemic. yes, yes. the pandemic, while you did, it was a very slow start in europe, wasn't it? and each country went for its own interests, and those who live on the line pointed out at the beginning, this wasn't a satisfactory state of affairs by any means for the european union. so i guess you
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learned as you went along, but it was every country for itself. when the pandemic started wasn't, it wasn't much european unity on show that was that. yeah, but you look after 18 months of this dramatic pandemic, it read those strengths and coordination of europe that really makes possible now to, for instance, protect most of the countries from the 5th wave if any. and again, so going solo in this situation was probably not the right way to go. if you look at the numbers at the end of the day, after 18 months, to going back to the fishing dispute, plenty of people in your country don't think much of the war. or the threats that you made about banning u. k. cholos from unloading in french, both john mark felicia. so the president of the ports of gala and move line, who i mentioned earlier, he will and the french government against imposing sanctions on the u. k. and he told the b, b, c. it would be terrible for both sides of the channel for you,
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for us, for the ports, for the fisherman and your country, and not country and all that. just for a few little boats that aren't allowed to fish in your country. did you really think that threatening britain impressed your voters ahead of next year's elections? was that your aim? you know, frankly speaking it has nothing to do with makes your selection is re asked to do is the principle of a deal that was sign of commitment taken by the u. k. that is not, does not support from the rest of the european union as you'd hoped for, didn't you? any 10 other states supported your so called joint statement, criticizing britain, and they even watered down your text and the final version, didn't they removing references to an unsatisfactory and contradictory response by the u. k. are you surprised that you only got such lukewarm support from the rest of the you? well, i'm, i'm not surprised because, you know, building something as complex as you is
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a step by step process. and the fact that some countries are disagreeing on some topics seems to be like, absolutely normal. you paying that? yes, a long time. you've been trying to build this unity for a very long time. yeah, but we are very stubborn. as all the french must be to really, if we believe in something we do believe in you, we have to convince you of on every single topic to be strong together and the end to join forces to gather their forces. if they decide to, again, to play solo, like, like in the u. k, decided with bricks it, yeah, it will be some consequences. and the relationship between this territory, u. k, u is now dramatically changed and, and it will have impact on the economy. on social, on social workers, on immigration. we see a list of impact by the very fact that you're bricks, it was decided and respected by. do you decided by the people of,
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of the united kingdom? you've not only turned your anger against the british over this phishing dispute. you started blaming, knowing your well seemed like if you started blaming the man who negotiated the praxis, dale for the you, michel, bonnie, a you seem to want to blame somebody for something here. the president of your party's parliamentary group and the national assembly christ off cost, and i spelled it out on front sample. we said those who negotiated the breakfast treaty told us, don't worry, everything's fine. now we find there instances of imprecision. if the u. k can find the loophole in the text. it means it wasn't negotiated in the best way. i thought you were happy with what? michelle? bonnie: i did present a macro heaps. praise on him, back in 2019. you've gone off him as well. now. have you? well, you know, is there now we're talking about the french election,
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the coming one michelle body is one of the, of the pretenders to go for a, for the presidents that i like to bleak on. so you're just finding a stick to beat him with you just want to stick to beat him with it. well, well, let's say that in this political world that i am now facing every day. i've seen a, i've seen action that sometimes are more like a almost like like, like, like putting a little law, but the law pointing fingers on little details, but globally speaking, the brakes. it negotiation when extremely well. we knew that we would have an issue with this fishing activity. we knew we had that we, we left probably an issue with another nyland border at one point in time. i don't know when and, and effectively you case shouldn't take advantage of the loophole of this discussions. because globally speaking, everything was trade was treated fairly fairly. all right, mr. by now, the other big bone of contention between france and the u. k. of illegal migrants
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crossing the channel from the coast of france, an ever increasing numbers. in the 2nd week of november, 1200 people slipped through your security patrols and crossed the channel in a single day. you're not being very effective at stopping them or you. that's you then? well, come on. i mean it takes 2 to tango here, right? a 30000 people try to pass the channel and 40 percent of them succeeded. so if you look at the story from my side, we 6, we re successfully, ah stopped 60 percent of the people trying to pass the channel. if you look and the other side of the channel, the u. k. border, right? ah, they are some measures to be taken as well. so please again, if we start playing with this numbers and the migrations to accelerate or intensify the tension on the very, very sensitive subject, i think that nobody is going to win a win win situation is to go on with the agreement between the french authorities
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and the u. k. authorities to find a way out of this a permanent migration. and by the way, a significant numbers of this migrants actually coming from belgium and we not blaming and pointing from, well, i would like to say they are 77 out of 10 of them are supposed to be coming from belgium. why do you let them in, if you know that a large number of them are going to transit illegally or tried to transit illegally to the u. k? because well, you know, the problem is that the most of them are coming from africa as you know, through spain or through italy as, as we are controlling the, the spanish and italian border. they usually go through germany and then move to belgium, back to francis. cuz the ultimate goal is, is the u. k. i don't know why, but it seems that they feel more comfortable working. what he activities in the u. k. and, and, and that's why did they put this pressure on those borders?
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we do our job, but it again we have to, it's a much more global issue. and this migration evolution again is one of those challenges. i just mention that cannot be resolved only with the european coordination. and clearly a coordination with the u. k. authorities as well. well, babs, who simply want to push the problem across to the british, knowing that since they left the e you, they no longer have the legal mechanism to send the migrants directly back to you. is that the politics of this? no, i don't think that's very fair to say so because as it again, i'm telling you that 60 percent of the people trying to pass the channel where stopped by the, by the european and french authorities. so each is that they are so many people that it's very complex on. so such a large border because we have to print things as i said, spain, italy, and the channel it's, it's a very complex and very heavy investment to face the number of people trying to make this happen. so no,
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there is no twisted way for friends to get rid of the problem by shipping those people, human beings to the u. k. without the, without any concern about them. so, no, it's not the french way of looking at this migration. well, you say that, but frances treatment of these migrants has come in heavy criticism recently from human rights groups. human rights watch report last month that your officials regularly subject that outs and children in my group comes around cali to what they called degrading and harsh treatment. why do you do that? but we don't do anything. again, the suggestion of numbers we systematically trained to put to, to, to iep to those people shelters, to day, to day that the very day to day we are we, we, we closed a, a cannot far camp billed by people arriving from everywhere. and we, we closed this camp and we give shelters to every single individuals. i think it's about 2000 people, will got protections. so it's easy, very easy for her,
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and yours and human rights to point fingers again. but the total investment a to protect those migrants is very significant on the french budget. and again, the migration wave is constant and growing. we can deny it. we can pretend that we need just to build walls and it would be enough, but to climate change and economy crisis will push more and more people up north. so the, the question now is to coordinate and find a way to, to integrate or capitalize all those people. and to be firm on the illegal illegal one. and try to be as respectful as possible of the human being before they get they are sent back to the our, to their home country. you, you say that both come to the attention of the french defender of rights. your ombudsman, who said even last year that your police tactics had left the migrants in a state of physical and mental exhaustion. so it's not just foreign
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n g o z that are reporting on this. your own defender of rights is significantly worried by the treatment that these people are getting. last year, police conducted 950 routine eviction operations and galler nearly 5000 tents. hundreds of blankets and sleeping bags were seized. these are basically items without which people, some of these people are, many of them are children, had to live in extreme hardship. i can't imagine that that's what you want or that's acceptable to you. is it? but that's what's going on. no, of course it's not acceptable and, and, and the i can accept that there are some mishaps sometimes, but fundamentally against those numbers that you just mention, we have to look at the millions that i spend to give protection shelters to, especially the kids and the, and the woman ah, to make sure that they are not living in the, in dramatic situation and talking about what happens there, then g,
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o should look at the, at the people that key advantage of their or despair there by selling blankets, selling tense, trying to take advantage of the misery of those people wear. sometimes the police can be, may be, may be blamed for some, some action, but most of the time they must be honored for what they do to protect the people miss you by now, isn't the truth about this treatment of migrants other than it's aimed at trying to take votes from the right wing parties in the presidential elections next april. earlier this year, your interior minister made it clear that he, he didn't want the far right. marine le pen becoming president. because as we see said, we've shown ourselves to be too naive and to soft. this is your big fear, isn't it being thought of too soft when you're facing a huge challenge from the far right parties that are concentrating on immigration as one of their illegal immigration, is one of their major issues for next year's election. you know, france use
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a country where was, where the human rights were written. so, so i'm denying to anybody the right to say that france would just take advantage of our stage as a stage, the migration, the migration for obscure political reason. the truth is that we do have in our country a significant number of bodies on the extreme rights and on the right trying to push the idea that immigration is the key problem that we faced. and without any immigration, it, we would solve all the economy call and social issues in our country. we all know this is wrong. we know that immigration is a global wave, is that is, is something coming and growing for the coming years. so any reasonable political person as to face immigration with honesty and, and, and clearly briefly, plans for the short made a long term short term. yes,
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we have to protect and shelters to those people. and we have to protect immediately some of our borders with some legal action, mid term we have to build some integration plan and see how we can deal with those people explaining to them that no coming north is not go into the paradise. but now what do we have the, your best, whatever you are doing, you, your, your party performed incredibly badly in local elections in the summer. you got just 7 percent of the vote and you failed by a long way to win a single region on the french mainland. and you're getting desperate. isn't your body getting desperate ahead of these elections next year? 2 months before that local election, a group of retired french generals, wrote a hugely inflammatory note saying, france was disintegrating in the face of islamist radicalism, an immigrant hordes, oppose showed that 60 percent of your electric supported that view, including nearly half of those in your poverty big wake up call for a manual micro,
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wasn't it? big wake up. cool. you know, we have, we could pull every day that the meek was a wicked cold. the climate crisis is a wake of cold political politics. he's about wake up calls. systematic with of course, 60 percent of the electra supported that view. 60 percent of the electra supported that view, that france was disintegrating in the faith of islam of radicalism. then then, and then that part of the 40 percent. because i believe to that, that we have a significant number of people coming from the migration that help to build a better france. you have her not only people who else to build a, you know, building source re or street or, or roads. but people were in the medical business in the legal business, in the engineering business. so no, i don't think that immigration is a, is a, is a huge problem for france. what is a problem is a new me, an uncontrolled immigration coming from desperate countries. countries that may
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disappear with the climate, crises to morrow, and as a political person, i think that again, there is a need to invest in africa. we spend and we spend our, our, our investment in africa for this purpose to really keep the people in their own country and to help them to rebuild their own economy. so, so that's the long term answer to that migration crisis. all the rest, if we try to dig those people on our stage for political game, i think it just are not at the level of the discussion we want to have in the future for our country. just very briefly on emmanuel macros prospects for the next election. he was asked last year on bastille day. why people hated him so much. and he didn't argue with the question. he admitted he'd failed to unite what he called a divided country and said he understood the hate because he said we are a country which has that in its history in its guts. if mackerel is the target for
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so much hatred, why on earth should people vote for him again next year? you know, i think that being a president in this very, very special time that we're leaving now in transition time, that really now is probably very complex. but at the end, the day we know we have a captain on board. we know we have someone who are successfully invested in are supporting the economy and during the been any crisis. and we see the result right now we have an employment, you know, diving, we have the economy rising at plus 7 percent this year. so, so effectively with he's a result of the quality of this captain. i think that at the end of the day when people will go to vote for the french presidency, they look at the people and say, oh is able to take the job and who is able to really face all those challenges. one of them as proven that was capable of doing it and that would be the answer. but
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you're worried, you have to be worried. i'm not worried i'm optimistic and paranoid because i think that you need both to be a good political law leader and to main company. so remain paranoid and optimistic, bruno been out, been good to have your own comfort zone. thank you very much indeed for your time. thank you. ah ah, with
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