we should like on the opaque world who's behind us? why are they a threat to us? all oak creek wolves starts january 5th on d, w. mm. ah ah, this is dw news lie from berlin blasting off for a new era of astronomy. a revolutionary new telescope is launched into space. it's holmes, the james web telescope will be able to tell us more about the origins of the universe. also coming up, thousands take to the streets of sudan,

calling for democracy 2 months after a military coup. security forces fire tear gas to disperse the crowds and to cut off internet service in a bid to stump the latest protest. and in his annual christmas address in german president frank walters. 9 meyer appeals for a unity. i'm in the tensions and frustrations of the pandemic. and he thanked the silent majority. he chose to get vaccinated. ah, i'm marrying a evans dean. thanks for joining me. scientists are celebrating the launch of the most powerful telescope ever built. the james a web space telescope lifted off a border rock and from the european space agency based infringe keanna. it's hoped it'll provide new in science about the origins of the universe and possibly extra

terrestrial life. and we have in store this big garage, a new era of space exploration takes off on board the biggest and most advanced astronomical observatory ever launched. the james web space telescope will help solve mysteries about the formation of stars and scan exxon planets for signs of life. celebrations back on earth at the european space agencies base in french kiana. scientists are ecstatic about the discoveries to come with mission to understand excell planets. i think goes really to some of the core of our humanity . these fundamental questions of are we alone in a universe? where do we come from? where do we go? the universe is so huge and i had think that out there somewhere, there will be life. but we don't know. we have to build large instruments to tell.

and where will make a big leap in that direction. it took some 3 decades of work and almost $10000000000.00 to build the giant telescope. teens from european canadian and u. s. space agencies collaborated on the development the massive gold plated mirror and its tennis court sized sun shield were designed to fold up into the launch rocket. at its core, a powerful infrared lens which can penetrate clouds of gas and dust deep into parts of time and space. never before observed. we have had some infrared telescopes in the past, but they've been much, much smaller than web. so there will be many powerful tools that this telescope will have that just were had not been available to us in the past. so it's going to be that's why it's revolutionary, why we're all excited about it. the james web telescope is now traveling to its

final destination more than 4 times further than the moon. it will be 6 months before it can collect scientific data. a long wait for scientists. there barely a blip in the soon to be revealed time span of the universe. and we can now speak to dr. stephanie milan. she is a planetary scientists at nasa goddard space flight center in greenbelt, maryland. dr. milan, it's so great at to have you on the program, so we understand you're part of the team behind the james web space telescope. so can you tell us, 1st of all, what you're expecting to see with this telescope? and honestly, will we see signs of extraterrestrial life? absolutely. we're expecting to actually see the 1st stars and galaxies of our universe. those that formed right after the big bang after all of the chaos from

the big bag. and we're going to be looking at planets around other stars and trying to search for earth 2 point. oh, we're looking not necessarily for life itself, but we're going to be looking at atmospheres of planets to see whether or not any of those atmosphere is actually looked like our own. or maybe they have a unique chemistry that would suggest that there's something going on that perturbing that planet. be it a geologic process or possibly a biologic process, but something that will intrigue enough that will do some followup studies. not only with j w s t, but also with other facilities in the future. so this telescope was launched to day and what happens next? how soon can we actually see the images? it was a huge milestone for us today to get launched. though we still have a long journey ahead, we're going a 1000000 miles away from the earth, and we have

a month to get there. so within the next month, we will be on our journey to the 2nd look branch point. but also on that journey, we're going to be unfolding the telescope because it had to be folded up to fit inside the ferrying of the rocket. we now have to do all of these deployments. there's over $300.00 points of failure to do this. so we still have quite a few challenges to get through over the next month. once we're there, we're going to be commissioning the telescope. we have to focus the mirror, we have to turn on the instruments and make sure everything's working properly before we have our 1st science and strict are images that can be released to the public. so after about 6 months time, that's when you can expect to see the 1st data coming from j, w s t. and the 1st image is and when science is going to begin for the community. so i guess we still have to be a little bit patient. now. we used to consider the famous hubble telescope as being revolutionary. will the james web space telescope than completely replace the

hubble telescope and just how much more advanced is the new one? so it is not going to replace the hubble space telescope. in fact, hubble is still operational and healthy. j w s t is actually very complimentary to hubble space telescope. so hobble as an optical telescope. it seems like the same way that you and i do, where is the james web space? telescope is an infrared telescope, so it actually is almost like using night vision goggles. we're looking for thermal energy or heat from objects around the solar system in our galaxy and in the universe. it is going to be revolutionary because we have access now to these, these wavelengths and sensitivity a capability with james web space telescope that we haven't had with any other facility. so it's like taking hovel, moving it to a whole different area of science, and really started studying some of the fundamental things that we haven't been

able to to really understand with the hubble space telescope, just due to the nature of the observatory itself. so j. w s t is definitely going to rewrite the textbooks and it's going to be as revolutionary as the hubble space telescope was for, for the last generation. dr. stephanie milan from nasa gutters phase flight center . thank you so much for all of your insights. thank you. so much for having me. all right, let's turn our attention now to sudan worth. thousands of protesters have taken to the streets of khartoum and other cities, demanding a return to civilian rule. the rallies come 2 months after a military coup. the civilian prime minister, abdullah hum dog has since been reinstated, bound to the pro democracy movement wants a government free from military control. ah, t gas and water cannon against a growing movement. angry at military roll sedans,

capitol cartoon was once again the scene of mass pro democracy protests. a military crew in october through the countries transition to democracy into disarray, and the reinstatement of the military and civilian government. a month later failed to ease anger. the armies power grab when we are here and we still believe in the 3 nose, no legitimacy, no bargaining, no partnership with the military. the military does not rule us and we demand the handover of full power to civilians. we demand civilian democratic role, the more robbing maddening, almost 50 people have been killed and hundreds injured in crackdowns on anti cru protests since october. and there have been allegations of security forces raping women protesters. in the lead up to saturdays rally the authorities,

blocked roads and bridges. internet and phone lines were cut off. but the pro democracy movement is still finding ways to stand together against military rule. a short time ago, i spoke to w africa correspondent, felix barringer, who's been following the events in sudan for us from nairobi. and i asked him how likely it was that the protesters demand for a return to democracy would be met. it is very unlikely that the military will actually stepped down or back down and based on the resent development cause like earlier today, the internet was cut off. so people who are not able to communicate amongst themselves. and so they were not able to mobilize enough, but a protest i talk to you this particular evening said that the military seems to be tired and getting tired with what the protest those are continuously doing to mount pressure on them. but it is very unlikely because even the prime minister who has

reinstated thiel has his powers clipped by the same military that people lay expecting to bug don't. so whether the military were bucked out, it's very highly unlikely, especially following batteries and developments now to some of the other stories making headlines around the world. the me and mar, military has been accused of killing at least 30 people from the ethnic. karen minority in the countries east witnesses said they were killed while trying to flee . fighting between the army and resistance groups. mean mars military government has not commented on the allegations. for 3 months, scientists have declared the volcanic eruption of the spanish island of palm up officially over. it began on september 19th and ended suddenly on december 13th. the volcanoes activity led to the evacuation of thousands of residents and destroyed vast stretches of farmland and more than $3000.00 buildings. hope frances

has delivered his annual christmas address from the balcony of saint peter's. the silica will be at war, be meaning to the city and the world. the pontiff prayed for more corona virus vaccines to reach the world's poorest nations and for peace in war torn countries like syria and yemen. amid rising numbers of corona virus cases in italy, the crowd was much smaller than in previous years. german president frank walters di meyer has delivered his annual christmas address with a major focus on the pandemic. this year. he urged germans to continue to respect each other just fine disagreements over corona virus restrictions and vaccines. the president also looked back at some of the key events of the year, including the change of government at home and the taliban takeover in afghanistan . 2021 has been an exhausting year for germany. on the

political stage, the medical era ended and september the general election marked a turning point. the president's christmas message praised the democratic handover of power in what he called an atmosphere of mutual respect. but it was also the year when the taliban swept to power across afghanistan. bringing postwar germany is largest overseas military operation to an end. western forces pulled back and the buddhist van flew home to many. it looked like failure. stein, maya. acknowledge that. as well as other clouds on the international horizon, there was no dot, and we remember our soldiers who returned home from afghanistan and also the people who have remained there amid suffering and starvation. we are concerned by the news we have from many regions of our turbulent world, also, and particularly from eastern europe as our author. but the president's message,

as is traditional, was also one of hope. he praised the solidarity people show during the severe some of floods in germany, especially the volunteers who helped with the clean up, gave money and time. so the rebuilding could begin. as the year ends, the coven, 19 crises, still looms over national life. protests against government rules have fled off across germany. but stein maya said, even from the pandemic, positive lessons can be learned. this proven, we say, for 2 years frustration is growing irritability and widespread. we're increasingly seeing alienation and regrettably open aggression is true that in a democracy we do not all have to be the same opinion. but i appeal to you to remember this. we are one country on the pandemic is over. we need still to be able to look one another in the eye. and when the panoramic is over,

we still want to live with each other of nafta, upon the me know, mitten. under his address, the president even posed a philosophical question. what is freedom? he suggested it sometimes means accepting restrictions in order to help others. that notion of solidarity and sacrifice may be needed still in the year ahead. vessel latest on dw news, this our merry christmas to all of our viewers who are celebrating and thank you so much for watching. ah, that he wants to know what makes the german here just in the german love on banning the for away from enough but i'm not even know how to work my own car and everyone with later holes and everything today. first getting,

are you ready to meet the german and join me, rachel stuart on d. w. sometimes a seed is all you need to allow big ideas to grow. we're bringing environmental conservation to life with learning pass like global ideas. we will show you how climate change ended or mental conservation is taking shape around the world and how we can all make a difference. knowledge gross through sharing. you download it now for free. getting stronger and smarter through technology. this cipher dream is quickly becoming reality. researchers and developers, a driving forth a digital optimization of humans with mind blowing results will be all soon become cyborgs. today's topic onset, ah,

the cybernetic organism, or cyber for short, has played a major role in pop culture. for example, in the movie robo cup, a police officer with potentially fatal injuries becomes a supercop with his high tech impact. tony stark, from the marvel universe can fly in his armor and superman's colleague, cyber updates his hardware to get new powers and skills these days, even real up humans and how their bodies with artificial components. they call themselves cyborgs or bio hackers. hobbits and from britain is one of them. he is colorblind and has an antenna that converts carlos into sounds. and i like the human eye, his intent, i can even detect infrared. and by that, he has a chip implanted in his head to make this work pretty intense. but actually, there are lots of scientists and companies working on brain computer interfaces. they allow direct communication between brain and computer. so you can control

device with your mind, but it's not just a gimmick. it can fundamentally improve the lives of people spinal injuries on your logical disorders. u. s. tech tight and eli mosque is developing a brain computer interface at his startup neurologic the team implanted ships in both brain hemispheres of a mac cock pager. they then taught him to play a game with a joystick, and it's not signals, but transmitted to a computer by a bluetooth pager was fed bananas movie through a tube as a reward. when the research as the activated the joystick page controlled the game with this pause alone, the computer had learned to interpret the brain activity about the devices that humans can control with a mind even without a brain chip like by jani prosthesis, that replace missing body parts british gamma daniel melville even uses one when he plays video games. but prostheses can also give people a brand new powers. how would you like a 3rd thump?

ah, this prosthetic fell, makes it possible to do things that usually require 2 hands. the prosthesis is connected to a wristband with a motor, which drives the thumb receive signals via bluetooth from pressure sensors attached to the shoes. the user can control the prosthesis by moving their big toe ah, zealand borne scientists, danny clo, develop the 3rd film in london. she wants to show that prosthetic don't always have to replace what's missing. they can also provide an ad on an upgrade. ah, what's fascinating is after just 5 days of training with the 3rd thump he was sinuses had formed in the past subjects, brains. and the way they used their normal fingers had changed. there are other developments like this that blur the line between schumann and machine. sometimes

on the skin, sometimes under the skin. it might look like a temporary tattoo, but this is actually a communication interface made from gold leaf do oh, skin was invented by the massachusetts institute of technology. one version works like a touchpad, while another uses near field communication for nf c technology to communicate with other interfaces. in the future when you walk into a tattoo, pollard, you would come out with a tattoo like this. they will not only be very sophisticated technically, but they will become an extension of yourself. often get your keys, erick frisk can open his door in sweden with a micro chip implanted under his skin. it's the size of a grain of rice and works like a room card in a hotel. it's estimated that $50000.00 people around the world already where one of these implants, they can even be ordered online. the interesting thing is when the chips start

getting smarter and start having, you know, sensors and things like that. so, and instead of just opening a door, maybe i can have continuously record my, my body temperature, my blood sugar levels in are, et cetera, et cetera. and, and actually give me useful information about my body. but technology that literally gets under your skin isn't for every one. implants are just one way to become a sidewalk. now, also, robotic suits, called exoskeletons. they promised more strength and better agility, heavy lifting uncomfortable work exoskeletons could some day help people reduce the strain on their backs. originally developed for medical and military use, they're now increasingly deployed in the automotive industry and logistics. many see it as when, when employee stay healthier and companies profit from the increased efficiency and

production with robotic technology that makes work more economic is under intensive development predominantly in the u. s. in germany, but also in china and japan mcclain, one of our article their store asking adriano we want to create devices that help people in their workplace the for that and to make these tools more accessible and easy to use from all fargo. i don't think humans will ever become dispensable. there are, there are only a few companies that are designing completely automated systems because they require, consider it investment and other things. so i think will always have human workers saw with him on a particular domain. the exoskeleton created by japanese company at own has been in used for years in production, the care sector, and in japan's biggest airports. the 4 and a half kilogram suit is worn like

a rucksack and it has a sensor that detects the where's movements. so when lifting 2 motors in the suit automatically support the users movement, the motors deactivate when the user is walking. with countries like japan are increasingly relying on robotics because with an aging population, workforces are becoming depleted off right now we mainly make support devices. but in the future, we want to create products that enhance people's abilities and ad physical functions like a 3rd arm see we want to cater to a society in which people of all ages can work without physical limits. and it could get much more spectacular than that. the developers that are to own have been working for more than 10 years on this mega expo suit called neil, i was even allowed to try it out. during my visit to japan, i felt like lieutenant ripley and the sy fi classic alias with supernatural powers

. the developers claim that one arm alone can lift up to 50 kilograms. it's hold that neil will soon a of the construction industry or in disaster management exoskeletons have a growing role in the medical sick. those, well, what special about this model from japan is that is controlled by nerve impulses. how is its name that stands for hybrid assistive live as an ultimate goal? even paraplegics could train with how and learn to walk. again. my colleague cassandra bow went to test the exoskeleton at the company, cyber dime in japan. so these electrodes here will detect my brain signals and san to this machine so that it will move for me. so now i'm going to try to flex and move my arm through it the tags pretty well. and now i'm going to try to lock my arm in place,

and it will still move for me to see that is pretty cool. but i do wonder, does this kind of is this said does is go out of control. sometimes. no awesome electrodes translate cassandra's brain signals into a command for the exoskeleton. her brain sends the command move to the muscles via the spine. the signal is detected by house built in sensors. the motor receives the signal and how starts moving. this is more difficult for patients with paraplegia because the nerve connections are disrupted. but if there are any remaining impulses, how could provide beneficial treatment time for a little test walk? cassandra is allowed to wear the exoskeleton herself. it's attached to a bracket,

since it's designed for people with impaired mobility, it's a very intimate, a setting is actually really late. starting training right now. i feel a little bit mechanic with my movement. but i think it is just getting used to the machine because now i feel a little more comfortable in it. so now he's increasing the speed the monitor displays cassandra and her nerve signals as a way or how works together with other ai systems to analyze the signals and evaluate user data. so how do paralyzed people actually learn to walk again with health? the activation of muscle impulses creates a feedback effect that enables the brain to learn how to make the body walk again

from scratch. it's called neural feedback training. it only works for about 20 to 30 percent of paraplegic patients, but the results are still impressive. so with other exoskeletons, the movements are preprogrammed. so patients wearing the suit will have to rely on it permanently. however, with hell, it teaches you how to walk again, basically making the connections from your brain to your broken synopsis. so basically these patients, they go through the, these trainings and at the end of the training, they're able to walk again without the technology without the suit. how was developed by japanese robot assist yoshi yuki sancho? he is the founder and see all cyber dine and a professor at the university of to cooper. she believes these by jani gays and cyber technologies are a step into a new age technology. so mean it's getting to think we're constantly wearing

technology or a strongly connected to it. in that sense. we're born cyborgs, don't you think that took a little g thing? one, older unity, as technology becomes more accessible, we'll be able to use it without even being aware of it. this phenomenon is diffusion of humans and technology. and this symbiotic relationship will continue to develop. are we all becoming cyborgs or are we already? and if the technology becomes available soon, won't people get left behind who don't want to be enhanced or who can't afford it. what are your views on cyber technology? is this the chance for us all to upgrade or are you skeptical? let us know, for example, on youtube there, you'll also find more videos about ellen mosques, newly project, and the paralyzed man who controls an excess get him with his mind. take care bye ah, ah,

ah, into the conflict zone with sebastian. a brief, a dispute about fishing rights in a 3rd of my grims crossing him bonds the breton of consigned anglo french relation to the pre my guests into comparison. bruno banal impede of the ruling, how much party is president michael home policy? enough to ride swing voters conflict zone next on d w with hunting in the arctic circle, who has the right to do so. the land of the sweden supreme court has ruled that exclusive game hunting and fishing will be restored to one of the oldest son.

communities it was a historic moment for the sammy, and a source of aggravation for swedish hunter asked me to get it in 30 minutes on d. w. every journey begins with the 1st step and every language with the 1st word college pinnacle rico is in germany to learn german why not learn with simple online on your mobile and free shopping, w e learning course. eco speak. german made easy. we very stubborn. as all the french must be, what is bread? it is a success in britain profit. or can you bear that idea, eating the european country as a price to pay for in your party getting desperate ahead of the elections next year . it has nothing to do with next year selection is re asked to do is the principle

of a deal that was signed with a dispute about fishing, right? from a surge of migrants crossing from france. britain of confined anglo french relation to the deep freeze have both sides lost all sense of perspective. my guest this week from paris is bruno banal, and m. p for the ruling are much party. is president michael. tough foreign policy enough to woo right wing voters before next year's presidential election. bruno but now welcome to conflict zone. let's say that if we made the fishing dispute between france and the u. k. step back a moment, we have only 2 nuclear power in europe. allies joined by countless number the project share in common values. and there is now a major diplomatic spat over fishing. haven't you got better things to spend your

time or? well, you could look at it as a minor issue, but in fact, it's a symbolic one. and that's wide said becomes a political one. when when did in it, it kingdom decided to go for the bricks. it or we respected this choice. we didn't like it, but we respected it. and a contract, a deal was set, especially in this deal and some obscure corners were cleaned with a specific contract. and the one regarding the fisherman was very important because we know that the, this dispute of the waters a is a, is a long, long dispute. that up and far before you, it was important to clean up, i understand. but why are we, what, why have we gone to the stage where the threats of a trade war threats to cut off or limits electricity supplies, gunboats facing each other? this is become a bit hysterical, hasn't it? i mean, listen to your junior,

he listened to your junior minister for european affairs klemmer bone. now we must speak the language of force because i fear that unfortunately, this british government understands only this a bit melodramatic, isn't it? you're not talking to moscow, it's only the london you must go, must be enjoying leonor mainly. and we do talk to friends and allies. there is no issue. but the fact is that if you start breaking a piece of the contract between you and you k, then what is going to happen with the other parts of the contract? for instance, the water in the northern island are all this, all this issue. so the fact that after months and months, 10 months of negotiation, we couldn't find a deal where the french fisherman could have those licenses through to fish in the u. k. waters. ah, if we had to come to a point where, where to put a stick in the ground now it reopened the negotiations. and as usual like brothers, you fight hard. busy then at the end of the day, you find a way to still love each other. yeah,

been according to the president of the ports of care, lion boulogne, he caught this a drop in the ocean, said the route was ridiculous, and it was all about some small sum. 40 small boats. he said, 40 small boats were licenses for them. you are going to look back in a few years time on back and think you've all taken leave of your senses to get to this stage over the fate of licenses for 40 small boat. it was $240.00 boats to start with. and i don't know what i'm talking about for the, i don't know, but what i can tell you is that those discussions where, where after this, this agreement, this non agreement on 240 boats. so anyway, it's another question number of boats in the question of, as you said, after a couple of years, what are we going to look back? look back at rec, city is a big deal. is it going to be good for you? k, which is going to be good for you if you don't have this trade on the clean plate on

the clean agreement, that might be really problematic for the future. and that's what our government is trying to preserve. okay, but all this seems to stem from your governments insistence on telling the rest of europe, but leaving the union, the european union must be a bad thing. what if brett's it is a success in britain prospers or country by that? my dear, well we'll, we'll convince that all the big challenges of the future can only be analyzed through a continental lance. meaning that the u. s. or. ready the china, the obs is so strong, so powerful that if we will remain single countries with the big challenges of the future space ocean, probably protection from the big russian climate change, all this issues of to be to come to another level. so leaving the you is not just the perception of a country making its own decision. it's the,

the idea that this continent, this european continent will be a little weaker to really phase the challenges of a future, which means growth, employment, economy ecology. so, so we believe that we are strongly european and yes, leaving the european country as a price to pay for. yeah, but you know, i come back to my question, what if it is a success? you look at the recent note from your prime minister john caustics to the commission president on the line. he said it's essential to make clear to european public opinion that leaving the union is more damaging than remaining in it. why is it so essentially you so afraid that other countries are going to thought running for the exit as well as britain? well, looking at the position of certain government in european union, yet you may be concerned by the fact that people could be tempted by exceeding you . and again, we try to protect you as much as we can and talking about erection to success. i

just can't, can't wait for the next 10 years and see effectively if all those challenges i just mention can be just faced at a single country level, or if you need the power of europe even look at the recent sanitary crisis that we faced. the agreement between older european countries, micky, possible, made it possible to really quickly find solutions that single countries by themselves couldn't find and even have the means to really invest in to make this, this crisis as, as, as, as smooth as possible. if i can say so, you're talking about the pandemic. you're talking about code it the pandemic. yes, yes. the pandemic, while you did, it was a very slow start in europe, wasn't it? and the country went for its own interests. and those who live on the line pointed out at the beginning, this wasn't a satisfactory state of affairs by any means for the european union. so i guess you

learned as you went along, but it was every country for itself. when the pandemic started wasn't, it wasn't much european unity on show that was there. yeah, but you look after 18 months of this dramatic pandemic, it read those strengths and coordination of europe that really makes possible now to, for instance, protect most of the countries from a 5th wave, if any. and again, for going solo in this situation was probably not the right way to go. if you look at the numbers at the end of the day, after 18 month, to going back to the fishing dispute, plenty of people in your country don't think much of the war. or the threats that you made about banning u. k. cholos from unloading and transport. john mark, we saw the president of the ports of gala and move line. who i mentioned earlier, he was the french government against imposing sanctions on the u. k. and he told the b, b, c. it would be terrible for both sides of the channel for you, for us,

for the ports, for the fisherman and your country, and not country and all that. just for a few little boats that aren't allowed to fish in your country. did you really think that threatening britain impressed your voters ahead of next year's elections? was that you're a, you know, frankly speaking that it has nothing to do with make your selection is re, as to do is the principle of a deal that was sign of commitment taken by the u. k. that he's not respected. and not talking about this man that you mention from the port of kelly, i understand is locally shoes for the local trade and, and the difficulty that report may face. but when you talk about protecting you, you have to swallow some pain, some time to really show that they are some much more important subject than just your luckily shoes. and i do, i do call them local issues, but the jobs that you're talking about jobs, jobs in the in addition i t, food set the jobs in blue line and cali,

which you being warned are at risk or were at risk if you went ahead with your threats, you have said you're right, they talk about jobs. i talk about the jobs of the fishermen while losing today between 25 and 30 percent of their business because of this non agreement being signed. so, so jobs against drugs at the end of the day, again, a contract has to be respected, and that's really the core of the discussion. you didn't get as much support from the rest of the european union as you'd hoped for, didn't you? only 10 other states supported your so called joint statement, criticizing britain, and they even watered down your text and the final version, didn't they removing references to an unsatisfactory and contradictory response by the u. k. are you surprised that you only got such lukewarm support from the rest of the you? well, i'm not surprised because you know, building something as complex as you is a step by step process. and the fact that some countries are disagreeing on some

topics seems to be like, absolutely normal. you came out a long time. you've been trying to build this unity for a very long time. yeah, but we are very stubborn. as all the french must be to really, if we believe in something we do believe in you, we have to convince you of on every single topic to be strong together. and the end to join forces to gather their forces. if they decide to, again, to play solo like like the, you get, you started with a bricks. it, yeah, it will be some consequences. and the relationship between this territory, u. k. and you is now dramatically changed and it will have impact on the economy. on social, on social workers, on immigration. we see a list of impact by the very fact that you're bricks, it was decided and respected by. do you decided by the people of, of the united kingdom? you not only can your anger against the british over this phishing dispute,

you started blaming, knowing your well seemed like if you started blaming the man who negotiated the praxis, dale for the you, michel, bonnie, a you seem to want to blame somebody for something here. the president of your party's parliamentary group and the national assembly christ off cost, and i spelled it out on front sample. we said those who negotiated the breakfast treaty told us, don't worry, everything's fine. now we find there instances of imprecision. if the u. k can find the loophole in the text. it means it wasn't negotiated in the best way. i thought you were happy with what michelle. bonnie: a did present a macro heat praise on him back in 2019. you've gone off him as well. now have you? well, you know, is there now we're talking about the french election, the coming one michelle body is one of the, of the pretenders to go for a,

for the precedence that i like to bleak on. so you're just finding a stick to beat him with you just want to stick to beat him with it. well, well, let's say that in this political world that i now facing every day i've seen a, i've seen action that sometimes are more like a almost like like, like, like putting a little law. but the law pointing fingers on little details, but globally speaking, the brakes. it negotiation when extremely well, we knew that we would have an issue with this fishing activity. we knew we had that we, we left probably an issue with another nyland border at one point in time. i don't know when and, and effectively you case shouldn't take advantage of the loophole of these discussions. because globally speaking, everything was trade was treated fairly fairly. all right, mr. by now, the other big bone of contention between france and the u. k. of illegal migrants crossing the channel from the coast of france and ever increasing numbers. in the

2nd week of november, 1200 people slipped through your security patrols and crossed the channel in a single day. you're not being very effective at stopping them or you. that's you then? well, come on. i mean it takes 2 to tango here, right? a 30000 people try to pass the channel and 40 percent of them succeeded. so if you look at the story from my side, we 6, we re successfully, ah stopped 60 percent of the people trying to pass the channel. if you look and the other side of the channel, the u. k. border, right? ah, they are some measures to be taken as well. so please again, if we start playing with this numbers and the migrations to accelerate or intensify the tension on a very, very sensitive subject, i think that nobody is going to win a win win situation is to go on with the agreement between the french authorities and the u. k. authorities to find a way out of this

a permanent migration. and by the way, a significant numbers of this migrants actually coming from belgium and we not blaming and pointing from, well, i would like to say they are 77 out of 10 of them are supposed to be coming from belgium. why do you let them in, if you know that a large number of them are going to transit illegally or tried to transit illegally to the u. k? because well, you know, the problem is that the most of them are coming from africa as you know, through spain or through italy as, as we are controlling the, the spanish and italian border. they usually go through germany and then move to belgium, back to france. cuz the ultimate goal is, is the u. k. i don't know why, but it seems that they feel more comfortable working. why the activities in the u. k. and, and, and that's why did they put this pressure on those borders? we do our job, but it again we have to, it's

a much more global issue. and this migration evolution again is one of those challenges. i just mention that cannot be resolved only with a european coordination. and clearly a coordination with the u. k. authorities as well. well, bob's you simply want to push the problem across to the british, knowing that since they left the e you, they no longer have the legal mechanism to send the migrants directly back to you. is that the the politic oh this? no, i don't think that's very fair to say so because as it again, i'm telling you that 60 percent of the people trying to pass the channel were stopped by the, by the european and french authorities. so each is that they are so many people that is very complex on so such a large border because we have to print things as i said, spain, italy, and the channel it's, it's a very complex and very heavy investment to face the number of people trying to make this happen. so no, there is no twisted way for friends to get rid of the problem by shipping those

people, human beings to the u. k. without the, without any concern about them. so no, it's not the french way of looking at this migration. well, you say that, but frances treatment of these migrants has come in heavy criticism recently from human rights groups. human rights watch report last month that your officials regularly subject that outs and children and migrant comes around cali to what they called degrading and harsh treatment. why do you do that? but we don't do anything. again, the submission of numbers we systematically trained to put to, to, to iep to those people shelters. to day to day that the very day to day we are we, we, we closed a, a cannot far camp billed by people a reading from everywhere. and we closed this camp and we give shelters to every single individuals. i think it's about 2000 people, will got protections, so it's easy, very easy for her,

and yours and human rights to point fingers again. but the total investment a to protect those migrants is very significant on the french budget. and again, the migration wave is constant and growing. we can deny it. we can pretend that we need just to build walls and it would be enough, but to climate change and economy crisis will push more and more people up north. so the, the question now is to coordinate and find a way to, to integrate or capitalize all those people. and to be firm on the illegal illegal one. and try to be as respectful as possible of the human being before they get they are sent back to the our, to their home country. you, you say that, but it's come to the attention of the french defender of rights. your ombudsman, who said even last year that your police tactics had left the migrants in a state of physical and mental exhaustion. so it's not just foreign n g o z that are reporting on this. your own defender of rights is significantly

worried by the treatment that these people are getting. last year, police conducted 950 routine eviction operations and got nearly 5000 tents. hundreds of blankets and sleeping bags were seized. these are basically items without which people, some of these people are, many of them are children, had to live in extreme hardship. i can't imagine that that's what you want or that's acceptable to you. is it? but that's what's going on. no, of course it's not acceptable and, and, and the i can accept that there are some mishaps sometimes, but fundamentally against those numbers that you just mention, we have to look at the millions that i spend to give protection shelters to, especially the kids and the, and the woman ah, to make sure that they are not living in the, in dramatic situation and talking about what happens there. the n g o should look at the, at the people, the key advantage of their or despair there by selling blankets, selling tense,

trying to take advantage of the misery of those people wear. sometimes the police can be, may be, may be blamed for some, some action, but most of the time they must be honored for what they do to protect the people. miss you by now isn't the truth about this treatment of migrants other than it's aimed at trying to take votes from the right wing parties in the presidential elections next april. earlier this year your interior minister made it clear that he, he didn't want the far right marine la pen becoming president. because as we, she said, we've shown ourselves to be too naive and to soft. this is your big fear, isn't it being thought of too soft? when you're facing a huge challenge from the far right parties that are concentrating on immigration as one of their illegal immigration, is one of their major issues for next year's election. you know, france use a country where was, where the human rights were written. so,

so i'm denying to anybody the right to say that france would just take advantage of hostage as a stage, the migration, the migration for obscure political reason. the truth is that we do have in our country a significant number of bodies on the extreme rights and on the right trying to push the idea that immigration is the key problem that we faced. and without any immigration, it, we would solve all the economy call and social issues in our country. we all know this is wrong. we know that immigration is a global wave, is that is, is something coming and growing for the coming years. so any. ready reasonable political person as to faith, immigration, with honesty and, and, and clearly briefly, plans for the short made a long term short term. yes, we have to protect and shelters to those people and we have to protect immediately

some of our borders. we've some legal action, mid term. we have to build some integration plan and see how we can deal with those people explaining to them that no coming north is not go into the paradise. but now what are your best, whatever you are doing, you, your, your party performed incredibly badly in local elections in the summer you got just 7 percent of the vote and you failed by a long way to win a single region on the french mainland. and you're getting desperate, isn't your body getting desperate ahead of these elections next year? 2 months before that local election, a group of retired french generals, wrote a hugely inflammatory note saying france was disintegrating in the face of islamist radicalism, an immigrant hordes. oppose showed that 60 percent of your electric supported that view, including nearly half of those in your poverty. big wake up call for a manual micro wasn't that big wake up cool. you know, we have,

we could pull every day that the me was a wicked cold. the climate crisis is a wake of cold. political politics is about wake up because systematic with, of course, 60 percent of the electric supported that view. 60 percent of the electra supported i view that france was disintegrating in the faith of islam is radicalism then then, and then that part of the 40 percent. because i believe to that, that we have a significant number of people coming from the migration that help to build a better france. you have her not only people who else to build or you know, building source re or street or, or roads. but people who are in the medical business in the legal business, in the engineering business. so no, i don't think that immigration is a, is a, is a huge problem for france. what is a problem is a new me an uncontrolled immigration coming from desperate countries. countries that may disappear with the climate, crises to morrow, and as a political person,

i think that again, there is a need to invest in africa. we spend and we spend our, our, our investment in africa for this purpose to really keep the people in their own country and to help them to rebuild their own economy. so, so that's the long term answer to their migration crisis. all the rest, if we try to dig those people are our stage for political game. i think it just her not that the level of the discussion we want to have in the future for our country . just very briefly on emmanuel macros prospects for the next election. he was asked last year and bastille day. why people hated him so much. and he didn't argue with the question. he admitted he'd failed to unite what he called a divided country and said he understood the hate because he said we are a country which has that in its history in its guts. if mackerel is the target for

so much hatred, why on earth should people vote for him again next year? you know, i think that being a president in this very, very special time that we're leaving now in transition time, that really now is probably very complex. but at the end, the day we know we have a captain on board. we know we have someone who successfully invested in are supporting the economy and during the panini crisis and we see the result right now we have an employment, you know, diving, we have the economy rising at plus 7 percent this year so, so effectively with he's a result of the quality of this captain. i think that at the end of the day when people will go to vote for the french presidency, they look at the people and say, oh is able to take the job and who is able to really face all those challenges. one of them as proven that was capable of doing it and that would be the answer. but you're worried, you have to be worried. i'm not worried i'm optimistic and paranoid because i think

that you need both to be a good political law leader and to make a campaign. so remain paranoia and optimistic. bruno been out, been good to have your own comfort zone. thank you very much indeed for your time. thank you. ah. with blue blue with

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