i russia for sure that in this is the western argument goes against all agreements . previously, nato's already said that it will not allow for any one to cross that red line. any country can theoretically aspire to be a part of nato. nato won't say by itself at that it won't take in certain countries, but whether there could be a potential moratorium at certain time span where this is rolled out. oh, when again into the final details of which weapons can be stationed, where this could also become a vehicle of a new and new threat at diffusion. order a new way, a new map out of these acute threats. but there are many, many different aspects that would have to be incorporated. and the question is whether or not so it's embedded. ms. lensky can work on one part of that potential puzzle that could pave a path out of the acute stand off, which some intelligence agencies are saying could actually amount to real conflict

by wednesday. that's a come back to the of the german standpoint or all of shows a standpoint ukraine wanted weapons, germany offered a helmets, ukraine's were ukrainians. want a firm commitment against a north stream to an shoals being very storm about that of these publicly charles has been on the, on the fire for, for, for these stones from, from other allies as well. is there somewhere, was something that we don't see that allies don't see that builds going on behind the scenes. although he wouldn't agree and, and repeat the sentence that no stream would not go on line. if russia crossed his ab border as m u. s. president biden. put it and we'll have so it says time time again, put on the record that a lot more than the pipeline would be at stake. so that includes this pipeline, but is felt as something very past almost by the ukrainian president. and that

a pipeline is whose purpose it is to actually leave ukraine out of the strategic picture. and that, that is something it's partner germany could actually go ahead with. and that pipeline also has a lot of enemies within the wider you would seen as an european by many of its critics and the critics on the majority of the european union. so certainly order. so it's is on the defensive when it comes to that on the weapons issue. a dummy received a list by the ukrainian ambassador also asking for additional equipment that is not in non, not even in terms of actual weapons, but in tons of military equipment. germany says it is looking down that list and basically checking what could potentially be handed over. that means at night vision goggles, for instance, an equipment like that. and,

but it has not received any response yet. and from what i've learned, no response will be given in concrete terms today at the same time, time is running out for ukraine, least it's perceived as such. and when you talk to people here many, also as saying that they don't think that russia may move ahead. now, now i'm seeing the top advises of german chance it would have. so it's actually entering the room. and that is a sure sign that we are only at minutes away from that press conference actually getting underway. so and i will probably leave it at night and allow our camera to get that press conference for you. make sure you know true from other talking to us from keith, where she is waiting for the 2 leaders of ukraine and germany. got him. his lensky and order shows to emerge from their talks that have been going on a lot longer than expected. the 2 leaders, of course,

discussing the tensions between russia and ukraine with a massive military build up on the border between russia and ukraine. diplomatic efforts, frantic diplomatic efforts, have been on the way for some weeks now. shoals today in ukraine. part of this never ending train of shuttle diplomacy, really that a saw world leaders arrive in ukraine than in some cases travel on to moscow. which shoals will also do tomorrow. shoals is supposed to have talks with loading it, which is more in moscow. and these meetings, yet with the lensky here in ukraine, will of course, set the tone for those talks. and we're still waiting for the 2 leaders arrive here. now, chief political political editor,

as just told us that shows a chief advisors have entered the room. so we're pretty sure that these 2 doors, one of these 2 doors will open in any moment, but we're still waiting. they learn that as wait a bit more, but in the meantime, we can bring in the nozzle while we keep an eye on these doors. we were in the non political correspondent here in berlin for the german side of this. what can you tell us about 9, you know, what can you tell us about the german position that, or that what, what shows really could take to ukraine to, to offer vladimir zalinski. well, we've heard me say look, who's now our chief political editor, already stressing the fact that it is an extremely difficult trip, this one to care for all of shorts. but of course,

you always have to look at all the small signals in international diplomacy. and by choosing to go to kia 1st today and then going to moscow tomorrow. last choice is undoubtedly stressing the fact that germany stands firmly on the side of the ukrainians. now, what does he have in his suitcase m. so far we can only speculate at the ukranian ambassador to germany has sent germany a long list of things that they say they might need, including 12000 anti tank and military equipment. but this is not something that all of shows is going to bring for historic reasons for also the reason that the bonus van currently is not in a very good state itself. but the german government has promised that it is looking at the list and it is looking at pieces of equipment and that help in those

situations in military situations like night vision goggles, for example. most importantly, perhaps ukraine is finding itself in a very difficult economic situation. and germany has been one of the most important donors to ukraine over the last decade since the annexation of crimea. so germany has invested close to 2000000000 in ukraine in infrastructure programs, projects. but also in terms of boosting the economy and setting up for examples of hospitals, etc, on the ground. now with all the foreigners, essentially now leaving because many western countries, including germany, have decided on the weekend to pull back some of their diplomatic st. ukraine is already feeling the impact of a m hot conflict. that is not quite hot, yet there are no boots on the ground in those regions yet. and still ukraine says

we need more help. so we'll actually could well, spell out just how much he has in store in his suitcase, in terms of cash, really just to help ukraine's economy to not collapse entirely because that would of course be a disaster. and of course, the ukranian see this as one small victory already for vladimir putin that many people say vladimir putin is targeting ukraine because he's very upset about the situation that over the last few years, he's lost ukraine and ukraine has, for example, a deal with the you that makes it part of the supply chain with the european union members. so that is something where ukraine doesn't need russia anymore. and many analysts are now saying that this is precisely why vladimir putin is now threatening to take back control over at the strategic decisions in

that region with, with force essentially because he is losing grip on ukraine. will of shots has been on the fire for some time for being quite invisible in this crisis, and not making any from statements on that. and he was on the fire, not only from you, from ukraine, but also from our allies in nato. and also domestically has he changed his tack here, this crisis? now everybody who knows all have chosen has watched him for a couple of years as we have is not surprised by his behavior. now we'll have shots, isn't the much a man who goes out with strong words will have shorts, is very much a thorough walker. he works relentlessly behind the scenes. that's what everybody says. and, but of course, many people are saying it took him way to long to come out in public. he is the

kind of person and speak out about the situation and germany's position in this crisis with russia. he is the kind of person as who will go to the public once he can deliver a result. and of course now he has extensive experience as a member of government. he was a former chance latin glum macklin deputy as well and, but he is not somebody who will easily use strong words if he doesn't feel the time is right now. it took him very long to come out and speak about germany's position, but then he did. and for the last couple of days, his message has been the same international diplomacy. germany has revived the normandy format, not on the very highest level, but at least the political advisors of the 4 countries, germany, france, russia, and ukraine. they are talking so they have met. and this is something where we'll have shows is working behind the scenes to get that back up to

a higher level so that ultimately the foreign ministers of those countries. and hopefully one day the heads of state and government can also talk to each other. you know, just briefly, what do you know in terms of how the chemistry between polluting scholes is or could be have to have a metadata talk. people well vladimir putin and all i've saw is at 2 very different men in terms of personality. and everybody knows that vladimir putin is very good friends with gach florida, who's also a member of all of so it says, social democrats. now this may sound like party politics, but it isn't on this level. because of course, gad today is a very prominent figure. he's an ex chancellor. he formed a very close friendship with flooding me, put in when he was chancellor. he is now very controversial and all of choice m has

spoken out in public when he was asked about gal who does position on vladimir putin and how close these 2 were. and because the gach hood had said that ukraine was essentially doing the saber rattling will show, said there is only one chancellor now, and that is me. so there you can say, of course, it's not to be expected of lady ben putin. if he sees gach florida as his close friend, that he will greet all our shows with open arms. if all i've showed says that gach food doesn't have anything to say anymore. our political correspondence, nina has a bringing us up to date on germany's position in the ukraine. russia conflict and just to remind viewers, we're seeing live pictures there from care if we're standing by for an expected news conference with german chancellor, all of shorts and ukrainian president wrote him, is a lensky, that news conference follows a much longer than expected meeting. and it's about to begin a right now

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