[000:00:00;00] ah ah, this is dw news lie from berlin, western leaders assemble for day 2 of the annual units security conference in southern germany. the ukraine crisis naturally dominates the agenda with the u. s. saying it has reason to believe russia will evade in the coming days. the international community is seeking a peaceful resolution. russia is staying away from the conference for the 1st time in decades. so is the west just talking to itself?

ah, i'm pablo foias, thanks for joining us for this special edition with the live coverage from the 2nd day of the munich security conference. now, jo biden's warning that a russian invasion of ukraine could be imminent, added a note of urgency as de one wound up on the grant. moscow backed separatists in eastern ukraine have begun evacuating civilians to russia. claim ukrainian army is planning an attack. washington seems that as a possible pretext for russia to invade, each side in the disputed region is blaming the other for artillery attacks. and joining me here in studio is chief political correspondent, melinda crane. hi melinda. good to see you. we're just waiting now to cross over and see and hear from at the native sector. general, yan schellenberg and the commission president ursula funder line. but before we go

over there to munich on ask you how united do you see the western allies? i think we saw a very concerned convincing display of unity yesterday, particularly as the foreign minister on a lena bear box sat on the stage with her american colleague, the secretary of state. and abe lincoln. and that there had been some doubts as you know, over the past weeks and months about whether germany is really fully aligned with you and nato partners. not least because of germany's reluctance to send defensive weapons to ukraine. but also because it's been unclear whether germany would put the gas pipeline nordstrom to, which would bring gas directly from russia to northern germany on the table in the sanctions package. and we heard the german foreign minister say very clearly, there is no daylight between us and the rest of the you and nato. we absolutely are on the same page north stream to wood, a part of

a very tough sanctions package. and we also heard the american secretary of state saying, germany is our partner of 1st resort. so a really resounding affirmation there of unity and beyond that as well with other western leaders. in fact, on the linda barber, the german foreign minister will today be hosting her g 7. colleagues, that's the club, the g 7 countries and, and talking of course, about this crisis. germany is the current g 7 president. but again, many, many efforts at the conference to keep that united front going no matter what kind of provocation russia now may engage in. so what voice essentially and we've got some, some heavy weights, let's say today in unique we've got, as i mentioned there at, we're just waiting for the e u commission president at to speak as well as the nato secretary general. yes, dalton berg. what are you and of course olaf sholtes is coming up then

a little while later. what are you expecting to come out of today? and the u. s. vice president of u. s. my cadillac. com last year. i find that particularly fascinating because for those of us who are veterans of the security conference i've been going for almost 20 years, we well remember when joe biden, as vice president, called for a reset of russian u. s. a. transatlantic relations. and there was actually a kind of a display in which hillary clinton as secretary of state, together with sergei laffer off the russian foreign minister, pressed a reset button. so we fascinating to hear what the current vice president has to say today. that's certainly one thing that i'm very much interested in. following that we saw olaf sholtes m this week meeting with vladimir putin. and actually we're going to just at cross, are we going to cross over just yet? no, we're just saying image is come in there from munich, but we're not going to cross over joseph. yes, of course. the chairman of the conference, outgoing chairman, i must say. well,

finishing guy who is speaking just now and he will be handing over the reins to kristof hoskins the incoming chairman who has been germany's ambassador to the united nations sitting in the hall. so i think we might the, so we're going to time cross over now to munich, and we're going to just tune in there. so let's take language newspaper produced by a good friend of the really security conference did live quinn's. i just want to say that everybody wants to read this can download it of from our conference website. and we will seek to distribute some copies from physical at the end of the conference to those who wish to have work. now, after a fantastic opening day of this conference yesterday, we have a very important sequence of panels and,

and speakers ahead of us today. i'm really excited to plot this. we'll talk about the middle east, the in the pacific. and certainly, as you would say in german, as i'd stay or to fall in the crisis. as an alina bab, we'll get to visit the russian crisis, the russian crisis. but 1st, it is my honor, my privilege to start this day on a very, extremely positive note by prism preventing the music security as annual award. the vote for glazed award named after the founder of the munich security conference. this award honors personalities and or, or organizations which have made important contributions to international stability and security past recipients include how much mit john mccain,

the united nations, henry kissinger, and many others. under normal circumstances, minister buzz ensued or would have hosted. i think he would, he would have loved to host a grand dinner in his if, as it ends up in the midst of which we would have had the award ceremony that is not possible under pandemic circumstances. so like many other things this year is different and the moment for the awards ceremony is right now here in, in the midst of our business meeting, i am privileged to present is a 2022, evolved from place award to a man who has been a physical pillar of stability for the transit landey

community and for the transatlantic relationship during troubling times. and he's always been a true friend and supporter of the really security conference. i'm speaking of dense sloth and back the secretary general of nato jones. my secretary started bag has serv, nato, with great distinction now for 8 years. and he is. i'd like to note the 2nd secretary general of nato to receive this award. i'd like to have to ask javier alana, who was the 1st recipient to just get up and show that he's in the room.

mister secretary general under under your leadership with your steady hand, you helped find compromise and so many issues and provided a basis for unity of within the elias and the your leadership. nato has not just whether trouble and sometimes troubled waters, but it has consistently come out stronger, more united, better prepared for the immense challenge we are all facing today this weekend actually. and for those challenges that are likely to confront us tomorrow, with your support, the music security conference has been among the small circle of partners of nato. a invited and entrusted with hosting engagement formats in the margins of nate of important nato meetings such as nato summit. and we're grateful to you for these

opportunities. now i'd like to hand over the floor to municipal in suitor for his welcoming words, which will then be followed by laudatory remarks offered by the president of the commission of the european union or the law from the leg. mr. minister president hammond, fisher fest eisenberg inflow funder lime haitian minus. if we have environment or not, my nazi has become in in bio via roy non caea emma vida, side forsaken seizure. and gus gibber dimension. a secret house conference. design . english pastors, perfect arch. done. but some anal imo is by an unsecured his lunch isn't in deutschland, does land mid. dear,

neither excellent cumulated heads of either the hooks and of living sport when meat of them stacks and inserts one pull. it's only coffee. if music of all i've been isn't, should be on site and you're solving to me this year, look out for you to seek a height on some surviving by via a luncheon position. emma or not will be contacted. some best be countered once a 4 inch of dominant for an english darvin for america. he said has been asked give us leave my name hospital in groups, most of the to go to lunch. grandmother com is just like griffin to leave it there for the moment. we're just hearing there from i consider the head of the area there who speaking for 40 was in german and we don't have translation right now. so we'll come back to you, melinda. and now we were just talking before about this unity of, of the western allies. let's kind of look then at the fact that russia isn't here. now you've gone, you've been there. as you said, almost 20 years you've been down in munich, comes, you're not there today. you're here with me in studio. let's talk a little bit about the fact that they're not there. how do you see that? how significant is that?

it's very significant. and the fact is that, as i mentioned, there have been ebbs and flows in the trans atlantic relationship. and they've always been very apparent in, in munich, at the security conference, we've seen a russian delegations where they sat on the same stage with western leaders. we've also seen very harsh speeches like the one that vladimir putin gave in 2007 when he outlined many of the same points that he is now currently asserting all about natives eastward edge expansion and ukraine figured strongly in that very hawkish speech. so that's 15 years ago, but the fact is, as long as there was a russian delegation there, there were also important meetings behind the scenes. and that's what can't happen when an official russian delegation isn't there? the chairman, mister, rushing up whom we just saw. he said yesterday, we do have other russian guests, but they're not there with guests who can speak for putins government. and that

means that any attempt to have bilateral or multilateral meetings, behind the scenes to try to resolve some of these tensions isn't, isn't, can happen. the west is talking to itself. we heard that earlier from our colleague michelle, the coast. now they do need to be talking to themselves because to maintain that unity that we saw regardless of what scenario russia pursues or doesn't pursue. russia is definitely playing a long game here. it's trying to test the west and that will continue. therefore, it's important that the west speaks that the western partner speak with each other . but it's also important to keep the dialogue with russia going. the secretary of state antony blinking said that once again yesterday made it clear the u. s. is not going to be sending military forces to ukraine and therefore, diplomacy remains absolutely essential. and, and diplomacy is important, but it would be extremely important to have that opportunity for bilaterals.

melinda, we're gonna cross back down to munich. i'm, we're going to hear from the bavarian premier at this time with that in the transition. let's hear from issuing an after hours and media debates. he has been doing a great job over all those years and he did a great job of putting this conference together again. and so too heavy weights are leaving us, mister itching or, and mister shomberg, we are very happy that when you are being ordered, you have been needles voice over the years. you kept us all together and have been of strong partner for freedom. and so congratulations on his award, and it is an honor for us to have the president of the commission miss vonner line, who i appreciate very much have known for years we have danced together even everything in the beginning. we had to figure out who was in the lead. that wasn't quite clear, but since we were in bavaria she let me lead the way. so i'm happy to have you here

and i'm happy that she's talking to us today. and so we're living in difficult times, like we can count on the messages we sent, we were sending messages of courage and togetherness, not a fear. we know what we represent in stanford, and you do just that. thank you for all your work work that you've done and congratulations on this award again. and we're proud to might lead central and that you're all here. we want you to come back. the security conference is, may be the most important conference that we have for security and cooperation. and it's where needle gets together even outside the edge q. congratulations and all

the best. her minutes up, is it and is it a mazda president, suda demarco sitting up? take my seat, please? yes, come on here. secretary general. dennis, ladies and gentlemen. well, the very reason that the union, the european union was once created is that we wanted to put an end to all european wars. and thus the world has been watching in disbelief as we face the largest build up of troops on european soil. since the darkest days of the cold war, because the venice of these days could re shape the entire international order. ukraine has just celebrated it 30 years of independence. there is an entire generation of ukrainians, born and bred in

a free country. they are children of democracy, but now they are confronted on a daily basis with external aggression and interference. some of them hallo, have lost relatives, or classmates in the don bas war. they are faced again with the prospect of conscription to fight a war that they don't want, but that moscow might choose to impose on them. this is what the cremeans policies mean in practice. to instill fear and call it security demands to deny 44000000 ukrainians from the siding freely about their own future to deny of free countries right to independence and self determination. and the consequences of this approach met out

well beyond ukraine. the kremlin is not only trying to undermine the entire european security architecture, the helsinki present principles that have made all european countries safer, including russia. it is also violating the un charter with states that countries and i side shall refrain from the threatened use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state and of citation. we cannot let this stand. we're facing a blatant attempt to rewrite the rules of the international order. one only has to read the recent communicate, issued by russian and chinese leaders. they seek a new era, as they say,

to replace the existing international rules. they prefer the rule of the strongest to the rule of law, intimidation, instead of self determination. coercion instead of corporation. we still hope that peace will prevail and that diplomacy will take us there and allow me to address how europe can support this work. first, we should be ready to respond our european union with our transatlantic partners. we have been preparing a robust package of financial and economic sanctions, including on energy and cutting edge technology. if the kremlin strikes, we can impose higher costs and severe consequences on moscow's economics interests . the kremlin stranger thinking which come straight out of

a dark past may cost russia a prosperous future. second is diversification. a strong european union cannot be so reliant on an energy supplier that threatens to start a war on our continent. gas from may, russian state owned company is deliberately trying to store and deliver as little as possible. why prices and demand are skyrocketing. this is a very strange behavior for our company. we must diversify both our suppliers and our energy sources. and the work is already underway. we have reached out to our partners and friends across the globe. and today i can say that even in case of full disruption of gas supply of, from russia,

we are on the safe side for this winter. and in the medium and long term, we're doubling down on renewables. sun wind, hydropower green i regime this will increase europe strategic independence for energy. my 3rd point is supporting democracy in ukraine for 7 years now, the russian leadership has tried to destabilize ukraine, hybrid war, cyber attacks, dis, information, you name it. yet the country is now stronger than 7 years ago because it has chosen the path of democracy and the friendship of other democracies. think about then about the youth of ukraine, the post soviet generation. they know that their democracy is not perfect,

but it is perfect to both. and it is it getting stronger is year by year. and this is what makes us stand out from autocracies, thriving democracies are the auto crits greatest fear. because their propaganda fails, when citizens are empowered by the reporting of independent media and the free exchange of ideas. because free citizens speak truth to power because the trust and confidence are more sustainable than control and coercion. and this is exactly why europe is supporting ukraine's path to democracy. it makes ukraine a better place to live for its people and a better neighbor for both the european union and russia. and my 4th and final point is about unity. since the start of this kremlin made crisis,

the european union and the trans atlantic community are fully aligned and united were supporting ukraine to withstand the enormous pressure from moscow. when a russian government tried to divide us over and over again, we have responded with one voice and one common message than this has been possible. also, thanks to you. dance, you always pushed us to focus on what we have in common. you have shown that the european union and nato stand side by side. not only because we share members and allies, but because we share values that is independence, respect for human rights, freedom and democracy. the very values that are at stake

in this crisis. and this is why it makes me proud and happy to announce that you are this year's gleiss award winner. you have come a long way to reach this high office. when you were young, you were the head of the young. the socialists enjoy an organizational dad at the time, was certainly not known to be a strong support of nato, not at all, but young in used his char and his leadership to turn the young of each and socialists around and support us. believe it or not, as prime minister of norway you. yes, had to deal with russia on a regular basis. actually by then love ralph was already being love, rough, and yet you managed was skilled to resolve a decades long territory, a dispute in the barren sea. the against you have always been a man of dialogue and

a believer in the trans atlantic bond. in almost 10 years at the home of nato, you always carried the flame of this unique alliance. nobody works harder than you for the transatlantic alliance. you've pushed relentless, sneak to strengthen our unity and this is why no one deserves this year's splice toward more than you congratulations. dea can thank you. thank you very much madam president. we're now going to have the award ceremony. so may i invite you to join us here on the podium and

not over there? no, thank you so much. this is pointing to what they just come in with a i thought it was it. okay, and we look at getting, we take

a little distance and then take off the mask like this. all right, so we're just seeing a images there all the ins felton berg. so now you have with at the commission presidency versus underline. i, melinda, are still on the line with essentially announced at this award to yes, shelton, burke. that's right, because yan started back, in fact, will be leaving a secretary general of nato to take up a position with the norwegian sovereign fund. so this is a great honor now bestowed at his the end of his tenure corporation over this year, the relationship under corporation between the natal on the european union has never been closer on that. so no police vehicle. so you're a commitment to bringing this relationship. so close together on the, on strengthening the trans atlantic bowman by working together with nato. and also many thanks to him and is the best answer for your warm welcome here in munich, and also for informing me that you have danced with the person from the lion. i've

never had the courage, but now maybe i many, many times to you all's going for your outstanding leadership, older munich, security conference on for this prestigious award. i am really and greatly on the phone. thank you so much. you have our phone closed champion, the transatlantic alliance, his soul, the value of europe, and north america on the standing it together to keep us all safe. his message is asked important to day. these are dangerous days for europe. russia has relentlessly mass troops in other arms are crying in the biggest military buildup since the cold war. we do not know what will happen, but the risk for conflict is really ne,

dallas continue their strong diplomatic efforts to find that political solution. however, despite moscow's claims, we have seen no sign or withdrawal, or de escalation so far. on the contrary, russia's military buildup continues. we continued to monitor very closely, we call on ocean to do what he says and withdraw its forces from the borders of your train. this will be an unimportant 1st step towards a peaceful solution. it is not too late for russia to change course to step back from the brink. stop preparing for war and start working for a peaceful solution. nate, the remain survey to engage in the substantive dialogue with moscow to take

meaningful reciprocal steps that can improve security for all countries in europe are for rochelle to we are made written proposals to moscow to reduce risks and increase transparency or military activities address space and cyber threats and engaged on arms control, including all nuclear weapons and me sites. this is a substantial agenda where we believe it is possible to find common ground. so i have invited russia an all new dallas to serious meetings, all the nato russia council. and i reiterated my invitation in the letter that i sent to minister lowville on thursday. the current crisis is about more than ukraine,

that is much upstage relations between nato and russia. judah, p and, and tons of dancing, security, and ultimately the crush no how we wish to organize relations between states. moscow is attempting to roll back history and recreate it's spare. so inference, it wants to limit nate, those right to collect the defense and demands that we should remove all our forces on infrastructure from the country. a join later, often followed about in wall. but let me be clear. that is no 1st last name, don't members in the west, the lines and the 2nd clause natal members to the east. we are all natal. alas i we stand as one and we will always do what is

necessary to protect and defend it. children moscow also wants to deny sovereign countries derived to choose their own pulse and their own security arrangements for ukraine. but also of all the countries such as thin and sweden. and for the 1st time we now see badging. joining moscow in calling on natal to stop at meet the new members. it is an attempt to control the faith of free nations to rewrite the national rule book and impulse their own author, the titles of governance. the current crisis demonstrates the importance of the transatlantic relationship for you to p and security. 2 world wars and the cold war has taught us that there is no real

security in europe without the strong trans atlantic bond styling together and i to europe, and america will continue to keep the peace and protect our democratic well life. as we have done for more than 70 years, nate though he said the fence to reliance, we are not threatening russia or anyone else. but we will take all necessary measures to protect and defend all ice. this is why in the spawns to russia's part than our aggressive actions. we have been strengthening our attends on the fence across the lines to avoid any miscalculation or misunderstanding about our on crowds commitment to defend each other. so if kremlin aim is to have less nato on its borders,

it will only get more at natal and if it wants to that via them, they don't. it will only get an even more united alliance. over the last years i was secured in my month husband, i mentally changed for the worse piece cannot be taken for granted. freedom and democracy are contested. and strategic competition is on the rice. this is and you normal and we must be prepared and do everything we can to keep the bond between america and europe as strong as ever. all through the experience of horrors, a war m. o on client knew that europe and america to get there was to guarantee of loss in peace. it still is to they or stanley together, we can and will keep our people safe,

protect our core values and principles uphold the space in national order. thank you. ok, we just heard there from the nato secretary general shelton burke who received the evidence on close to award there at the munich security conference at melinda. i'm going to go to you. let's start actually with the dance shelton bird. interesting what he said there about the transatlantic relationship and how important it is that how europe has this need to be united with the united states even in this post trump era? absolutely. and you know, i think until now we haven't seen a full recovery from the strains that were imposed by many of president trump's decisions. in fact, the last time that the security conference met live in the beginning of 2020, those strains were very,

very much apparent with real doubts about the degree to which the transit atlantic alliance could return to its former strength. and i think when he says if russia seeks to divide us, it will find that actually it has only achieved the opposite. it has united us, i must say, that really does appear to be the case where we are seeing a level of unity and alignment. and clear professions of what nato must and can do to maintain peace instability. and that's, that's quite fascinating because i think even a year ago, many of us were not sure whether, whether that could that kind of solidarity could be real established. they seem to reiterate already, said the crim, if the cronum won't last night on its borders, it'll get more for once and sort of a nato that's less united. it'll get aid that's more united. and that is incidence . that's already happening. you know,

we saw germany or has been criticized in the pastor months for perhaps not fully understanding the concept of deterrence. that, of course, because it has said it will not send defensive weapons to ukraine. but germany has now said that it will be sending additional troops to with away nea. lithuania is one of the baltic, republics that feel very, very vulnerable in the face of this crisis. if russia an instant instigates aggressive action against ukraine or the baltics next, the baltics are hard to defend. germany currently leads the nato battle group in lithuania and has the most forces there in it's sending more. so indeed, nato forces are being enlarged in the countries that are particularly vulnerable that we're just going to listen to m d u commission president m ursula founder line actually assembly from her from her speech a little while ago said a cyclist, there is an entire generation of ukrainians, born and bred in

a free country. they are children of democracy. but now they are confronted on a daily basis with external aggression and interference. some of them hallo, have lost relatives or classmates in the don bus war. they are faced again with the prospect of conscription to fight a war that they don't want, but that moscow might choose to impose on them. this is what the cremeans policies mean in practice. to instill fear and call it security demands to deny 44000000 ukrainians from the siding freely about their own future. or if you're just joining us, sir, we're bring you live coverage from the munich security conference. and we just heard there from at the commission, president ursa, on their line. and our chief political correspond. melinda crane is here with me in

studio. we just heard there from ursula founder launch. he spoke about this idea that russia is instilling fear in ukraine and also about external aggression. she mentioned this multiple times and about this, this generation and ukraine, of course, 30 years as an independent country. and you have an entire generation who don't remember the past. so she kind of focused on this quite a lot, right? she did, and she had a something, i think, quite poignant to say about that generation. she said they have learned what it means to live in a democracy. they know their democracy isn't perfect, but it is perfect to bull. and that is what democracy means. striving to improve essentially and as we all know, ukraine in fact has been plagued by problems of corruption in transparent government. of course, the divisions within the ukraine itself and then absolutely in the eastern part of the country and yet as flawed as it is,

it has had democracy for the past 7 years. she also went on to outline what the e u is doing, both to support and strength and ukrainian democracy. and in fact, it's under the neighborhood policy. the has done a great deal in that area of essentially democratic capacity building. but beyond that, she talked about robust package of sanctions. she mentioned once again, it will include sanctions that touch on the energy markets and it will hurt. it will cause serious pain for russia. she said a prosperous future is at stake. she also talked about the fact that the e u has been diversifying its own energy sources to get out of its dependence on russian gas. and by the way, the country most dependent on russian gas is this one germany. she said that is absolutely crucial going forward, were pursuing alternative energies with renewed vigor. were pursuing a hydrogen green hydrogen as an alternative source. but we've also stocked up on

gas from other sources now. and she, as well as other commission speakers have said in recent days, europe is now in a position to get through the winter without rush and gas. if russia should, in fact, turn off the taps. and then she said, fourthly, also we have decided that we will speak with one voice and we are doing everything we can to maintain that unity going forward. so 4 measures that she did were measures were actually just going across back now to munich. we're ursula founder line is actually a sensor. some questions as a settlers hated on our dependency. first of all on russian gas, just to give your figures round about 24 percent over all in the energy mix of the european union is gas. we import 90 percent of this gas and 40 percent of this import is russian gas. so quite

a high dependency and it's very different from members day to member state am for example as a franz is relying on nuclear energy. they are not at all dependent on russian gas, other member states, for example, italy or germany have a more intense dependency on russian gas. what we've seen over the last 6 months is that gus prom has delivered always at the lowest level. they have to deliver by contract. they have contracts that say pay or deliver. so often they've chosen the payment instead of to deliver a gas and the storage is of gas problem in our storage is, is a 10 years low this year. and this at a time, as i said, where we have skyrocketing prices and demand, it's a strange behavior off a company who normally would maximize their profits by delivering more and storing better for winter to come. therefore,

we have decided to do everything possible to get rid of this dependency. and we've reached out to our friends who are suppliers of alan g gas. first and foremost, the united states that really helped a lot also to reach, reach out globally, but also to other suppliers of ellen g. actually, it helps us that we've done our homework since 2014 the annexation crimea, because we've built an energy terminals and more important. we have now a network of pipelines and electricity into connectors throughout europe. so that wherever you have the gas, you can display it all over the european union. partially also a reverse flow, for example, to ukraine, to support ukraine with their energy demands. and now to the 2nd part of your question, for the moment being,

we would be able to replace the russian gas with alan. she deliveries that we get from our friends all over the world. and we are supported. ag actually also by buyers like japan or south korea who are willing to swap contract with us. so that the ships with the l. n. g gas, a. d rooted to the european union. now allergy gas remains fossil fuel without any question. the advantage is that the infrastructure that we use with the allergy or any kind of gas is over time, suitable and fit for purpose. for green hydroxy and therefore now our work goes and we had yesterday, the east africa summit to goes into looking towards the global south. they have in abundance, sun and wind, and hydro power. they need the infrastructure, but they are to have over time, the development of a solid green hydrogen infrastructure using the pipeline we do have already in

place. and thus giving a complete different a business case to the global south, our african friends, for example, of course, green hydrogen for the european union tool. and i can only say these renewable energies. they are clean and therefore good for the planet. but they are also home grown and therefore good for our independence. thank you. met our president. all right, well, we just heard the commission president, there's a funder line there. answer a question about this energy diversification and melinda. we're talking about it just a little a little before we heard from ursula founder line. interesting what she was saying there about this diversification sort of going into greater detail about how the you would go about it. and it sort of sounded quite simple the way she was sort of putting it in words. there really is a thought that sort of easy to sort of diversify and also interesting that we're going to be hearing from all of sholtes. and let's bring in north stream analia

a dimension it yesterday. this is a multi pronged topic. so basically what the e u has to do also what germany has to do because it is so dependent on russian gas, it has to establish a short term to diversification. to get us through a winter that hasn't been quite as cold as people feared, but nonetheless, there still a number of months of cold weather left. so that short term aspect is very, very important, that that's where also a fund aligned was talking about re routing shipments of liquid natural gas that were destined for asia to come to europe. the commission says the outlook is good. so if we take them at their word, they have solved the short term problem. but the long term problem still looms because energy independence is not something that you can establish overnight. so when she talks about green hydrogen or alternative energy renewable sources, some of those have lead times in the decades including green hydrogen, that is not something that is going to get to europe out if it's predicament very,

very quickly. now if we come to north stream, north stream is the gas pipeline that germany has been adamantly pursuing for 4 years now. and basically against the criticism and opposition of a number of it's european partners and of the united states. all of us have warned that this will increase germany's dependence on russian gas, and that, that, that has geopolitical consequences. and we're certainly seeing those chickens coming home to roost now. and that's, i think that message has very, very clearly been heard in berlin we did here on the lena bear box a yesterday nord stream to will be on the table in any tough package of sanctions in the face of irrational aggressive action. it will be very interesting to listen to all f schultz and listen to whether he actually says the words north stream to until now he's avoided them even on his trip to moscow. he has none. the less said,

all options are on the table. there is no difference between our position and that of our allies, therefore, that by implication means nordstrom to is on the pay table. but that's one thing that the observers will certainly be watching for when we hear from our sholtes. yet we don't have to long to wait till you should be speaking the next in theory, in the next 15 minutes or so that could be delayed. but let's go back and look a little bit as well. what are the fonder line and how to say we touched on it before we spoke about this? the idea of you being united, united is that word that we're hearing time and time again. we've heard from you on cell tube we heard from ers with underline. and she, speaking about diplomacy and i want to speak a little bit about these, the packages at the robust package of sanctions against russia. tell us a little bit more about what potentially that could be. the so called nuclear option amongst economic sanctions. is the swift system swift is

a payments transfer system that russia relies on in order to sell its, it's gas, for example, abroad. and if russia were to be excluded from swift, that would indeed massively disrupt the russian economy. that's what she means. sometimes with just mentioned by name, other times it's simply implied. that is definitely what she was implying along with cut asa energy purchase, as she did by the way, emphasized both just now answering a question. and in her speech that she finds gas problems, behavior as a company, very bizarre because it has in fact not been realizing the deliveries that had committed to in order to essentially take european stocks of natural gas up to their normal level. she said, these are the lowest stocks we've seen in 10 years. again, obviously not an accident, but rather an attempt to really put pressure coercion on the e u. and i think in that context, it's interesting to think about the fact that

a former german chancellor is a lobbyist for gas problem in this country. that shows you the degree of inter linkage between european economies and russia and why it is so very difficult for europe to get on one page when it comes to tough action, visa v. russia. but i think that alignment really is there. right, melinda, we're going to go back to munich and just at tune back in to this her question and answer session that's taking place there at with the you crucial president. sienna, listed on the line, onions, shelter, mortgage, june of heavily in modernizing the nuclear capabilities to have changed, or nuclear doctrines on the actual lord or the total for use of nuclear weapons in arm conflict. this is something, of course we are taking very seriously. and therefore, i think it's important that the we a maintain the natal nuclear deterrent not to make sure the to keep it safe and

secure and effective. ah, the also, i think it also demonstrates that what we are in favor of is balanced reciprocal, verifiable. arms control also when it comes to nuclear weapons, but you're not in favor of you. the lateral nuclear, this armen, from the nato side. naples goal is a world without nuclear weapons. but world where we get rid of our nuclear weapons and the china law, russia, north korea are wrong and so on. they keep their weapons. that's not a safer world. that's a more dangerous world. so yes, we believe in the world without nuclear weapons, but the only way to get there is search through viable, balanced her aunt's control. that's exactly what that was working for. let him. yes, thank him. am so, john? i think what ever, if you look at the defense sector, whatever is rolling, flying or swimming needs energy. energy is the core of any kind of european

green deal or global green deal to fight climate change. and therefore i was, and the other answer already reflecting over changing our posture of energy supply and whatever goes for a fighter jets, as well as any kind of airplanes goes for cars or armored vehicles. you name it that you have to change the approach of the energy. eulu is not the dirty carbon heavy fossil fuel energies, but the renewables, clean ones, and for example, the prospect of hydrogen is a highly interesting one to work with. and therefore, there is quite a lot of music in it. it is a fascinating business case because for us is important. we know we have to fight climate change, otherwise we are all doomed. and therefore, if we invest in the innovation, if we invest in clean energy, if we invest in a different way to produce and to consume, we will be the n a rate as who export than these technologies. it's

a big topic of innovation and therefore it is for us not only something which is so important for the climate itself. but it's a very clear business case. it's our new growth strategy. all right, i've seen a few races that one i ok, we were just hearing there from errors on their own. and yes, john burton energy again and what we're going to i just wanna actually pivot and go back to what you insult him. berg said in his speech, now he sent out a message, a very clear message to russia. he said, it's not too late to step back from the brink. and he said that he'd sent a letter on thursday with some written proposals. he said, substantial a proposal. let's talk a little bit about that. he's essentially sort of sending out a message saying ok, it's not too late to to find some middle ground. you know, we've heard again and again, including from adelina burbock yesterday. it was quoted earlier in the program saying, this is not a ukraine crisis. this is a rush crisis, because it's, it wouldn't be solved simply by ukraine say, renouncing any aspiration to join nato. in fact,

what russia is looking to do against alton bag, the secretary general of nato, said this in his remarks. russia is looking to roll back the entire security order in europe to return to a kind of a sphere of influence system. like we knew in the cold war by the way, without some of the mechanisms that kept that conflict, at least sort of low level during the cold war. so he addressed that point to saying we are ready for substantial dialogue that would increase, increase the security of all. and with that, he also means russia and then he outlined essentially 3 offers that not only nato, but also the u. s. is made. if you remember, the u. s. also gave a written response to russia's demands some maybe 10 days ago, 2 weeks ago in which it laid out the same proposals. so they would be 1st of all, much greater transparency and exchange of information to decrease risks. the kind

of information the u. s. has been getting through it's ariel recognizance would be to have voluntary transfer system, which has, in fact happened in the past in the nato, russia council. secondly, it really looking at new or disarmament that would include missiles, as you know, to day putin is out overseeing testing of russian missiles in that ukraine context . so real disarmament, serious bilateral r multilateral talks on disarmament. and finally expanding that also to talk about how we address cyber risks. all of those are meaningful offers. but the question is, is anyone in moscow listening? does anyone in moscow lets me, let's june, back in to i will go back to munich now and listen in again to the q and i, thanks on him. cyber attack, robustness and resilience we have with in our system, but also supporting your crane. we are preparing for potential refugees coming. we

are preparing on all sorts of fields. i've been referring to the energy field. so there's a constant alignment, let's say behind the scene, the european council opened up will be called it within hours. if it is necessary to take a political decision in case of that, russia is striking or is beginning a war in the ukraine, but all of the prep preparatory work. so the alignment between all these 27 member states, the european union and the other friends and allies, goes on since weeks and weeks and weeks. and that's where the core of the work is. that's where the bulk of the results is coming from. now. thank you very much. we have for less than 5 minutes ago. i have one question on my tablet here, which is addressed to secretary general of nato comes from clemens very again. who is a journalist with the vote? german newspaper? this goes to mr. stoughton berg. i'm quoting,

how can the west counter in the realm of informational measures? what seems to be russian falls flag operations in don verse to expose what they do and that's exactly what to have done. oh, because we have been very open, transparent, or on the information. we have received intelligence on all the types of information a, both about their russian military buildup and it is, as was said, this actually started sir. ah, has several months ago this fall. and we all did, den warned both that we saw a build up going, taking place, but also of the plans of further building up. and what we predicted back then has actually happened a 2nd. we're also been very, a transparent alma, the attempts by russia to create a pretext, or to create a situation that they will use as an excuse for attacking ukraine and we have seen

some of them. so seen song song oh and that a dangerous situations and also what we see it taking place now just adds to that picture of a concern that 3rd, they are trying to create a pretext her for an invasion. but the reason why we have been so transparent her and united states or that allies are under a natal, is that we believe that when we expose this, these plans, we make it hard for them to do what they're planning to do so. so till the they reason to expose is to prevent that from happen that they are planning to do. we are extremely concerned because we see that they continue, they continue to build up, they continue to prepare. and we have never in europe seen since dental to call, or such a large concentration of combat the troops. ah, and the for that sensor. very, very aman or dangerous signal to all holes in the add. one more thing, all fun. and that is that no,

what they do in russia now is partly to master troops. but i also put forward claims demands, not only to ukraine, but also to nathan, them on that. we should leave our and shy and a commitment open door and have them on that, that we should move all natal troops and forces from almost half of the member states and there. and then they have said that if we don't meet those demands, they have repeat that. they said they will be what they call military technical consequences. so the danger is now the combination of this mass cement, i build up with the very threatening rhetoric putting forward demonstrate. no, we cannot meet and say if we don't meet them, they will be military consequences. so this is a, a step changed. this is a new normal that you have a rush hour, which is all only contesting core values for european security and then

demonstrating their will to use force or the threat or force or to get her there will. and that's the reason why it is so extremely important that we are united europe in north america, are worked closely with the european union a but also that we actually have demonstrates our commitment with increased middle her presence in is than part of the lights. thank you. yes, i think we have a minute left. i saw a question from the very back of the room. if you can turn this into a very quick question and if we can get a very quick response and we're still good robin, that from that this is robin niblet. i didn't recognize your face or rob it right of the back, where brittany's, mom, sometimes any case robin, i want to ask question of that may be mirrors? what francois is book asked at the beginning, which is interesting. he asked a question to a sort of underline whether she would support nato enlargement. i suppose at flip the question and say, is this not a time to be talking about accelerating ukrainian membership of the

e u. and as we have the 2 leaders of these 2 institutions, side by side, one of the biggest threats obviously to russia's interest ukraine will be a much close relationship with the european union. so, ah, section general of nato, would you support a, an acceleration of the process of negotiation for enlargements, ukraine, to the european union of the, it's not for me to decide, i actually tried to, to convince no one the regions to join a you and i didn't succeed at the so i think i should be very careful getting a advised orders about her. but, but the principle is still applies. that, of course, it is for individual countries in europe to decide whether want to belong to nater or, or to want to belong to you. and then that is to, for the members of nato to decide where that i can join our reliance on. and so for the members of you to decide whether they can join either that's the, that's the principal, and that is what is contested now, because there are the apps are to possible to different view. so whether nate or to

you should have this or that new member. but this is not the issue, the issue, whether that is a decision to be made by those individual countries. and the members, although hesitations, or whether russia has a veto to decide what neighbors can do or not do. that's to re establish specially influence. we don't believe in that we don't believe in, in, in going back in history. really, we believe in free in the pan nations making the all free democratic choices. thank you very much, miss sigler, do it's reassuring to me and i'm sure do many in the room to see how will late so ok were back in the studio here with our chief medical editor melinda crane homeland that. now, let's go to what the sex your general of nato was. talk met there. this new normal that we're seeing with russia was talk, man threatening dimansky. can you elaborate a little bit more about what he was saying there and explain to us? well, essentially that, as we said, this is not about ukraine alone,

and any attempt to placate russia by saying that the ukraine would renounce an aspiration to nato membership for say, 20 years, 15 years. whatever isn't gonna isn't going to get the job done. because in fact, russia is demanding an entire new dis, order for europe. let's not calling in order because it's a disorder in which might makes right in which we return to spheres of influence. and therefore, these latest demands from russia. well, actually, russia's repeatedly made these demands in the past, but now really spelled it out. they want to see nato roll back its infrastructure and presence in the all the countries of the eastern former eastern bloc that joined after the fall of the berlin wall. russia says that that was illegitimate because it was given promises at the time when the wall fell, promises actually amongst the 4 former occupying powers in germany. that

a, that there would not be new nato accession. but you know what? that wasn't a treaty. it was not a formal agreement. there may have been verbal assurances, but that doesn't make it international law. so what russia is demanding is a breach of international law. and that obviously cannot be be recognized through what would amount to appeasement. therefore, that's essentially what he's addressing, saying we're not going to do this. and any international conference, a new security architecture can only be held if there is a clear past to a real agreement and at the moment that's, that's not there. now he also mentioned earlier, we were told this relationship, the trans atlantic relationship. we've just touch it. we've been told that russia there, he also told that china didn't in his initial speech. and this relationship with russia and china, in fact, also making similar demands that nato should not be taking on new members. a nato views itself as a defensive alliance. nato leaders repeatedly say,

and nato member countries. we do not instigate wars, but we do defend our members. and so, of course, nato itself, with countries that apply to what makes the choice about whom to admit. now on ukraine, there's a slightly more difficult issue because george w bush got out in front of the issue of whether ukraine should join or not by essentially insisting that ukraine be promised membership at a time when it was clear that ukraine did not fulfill the conditions, and it still does not fulfill those conditions, which is why, as lawyers would say, it's a moot point. ukraine could not join now even if it wanted to, as long as there's an active conflict in the country, as long as there are significant problems with corruption. it would not be accepted for membership, so much of this discussion when it comes to ukraine is really almost beside the point. but it's part of that overall russian scheme of trying to essentially now

insist that nato rollback and nato is not going to roll back. so we do have an impasse. these other offers are on the table from nato, from the us. but russia so far has not indicated any interest in picking up on those. and then there's a little bit of movement on seeing here. my screen down there in munich, we're seeing the german chancellor. all of schoultz has arrived. we should be hearing from them in the next few minutes. and it'll be interesting to see what he says now in after what we've heard from or is it a funder line that you commission, president onions, salt and berg. and of course, from foreign minister. and alina babel yesterday, absolutely. leo question that we'll hear professions of unity. a lot of people are going to be interested to see whether he mentions north stream to that gas pipeline . that has caused so much a criticism and questioning of germany steadfastness in the western alliance. i think now germany has taken great strides to switch that criticism,

but certainly it will be very interesting for that reason to hear him now. right, i think we're going to cross over. we're going to cross over to munich. we're going to cross to munich. so let's say let's june and take a lesson as me because if, if the ins as newborn does program for kids. well, come back in, i'm, i have since become minded. i'm the town now and the european union and nato. and with the award ceremony honoring the in stoughton back, we will now turn back to look at how germany is doing and how germany is confronting. the challenge is where all facing and, and the way berlin is planning to approach these challenges. this is why it is my enormous privilege to present to you and to welcome jossla all of shows for

his 1st presentation at the munich security conference. as the newly elected chancellor. i may, i may alert you to the fact that he will speak in german, so if you need headphones, please use the equipment. and i would like to invite chance of shots to take the floor when they had their dom montana starts on the young shift. the, the colleague and i'm calling you back, guest tells them in on to our land saying that they're both chapter issuing a so you got to have both after high school and minor don montana before i knew the legal mate in tyler. but in seuss don davis on starbucks,

the ramadan gear polluters and good site vixen armed in the, in the m a. c. d. 's us your the again, doug, it's up mercury soonest of an am undone. good side, victor. i need a moment with the air translation of the german schanzer. all of shells will connect as soon as a, as soon as we ag managed to get that connection that you were mentioning there at this element of unity. we've heard throughout this morning and yesterday and, and i'm assuming we're going to be hearing it a lot from at all i've shown is that where we can expect to read the days. well for me come lars to absolutely that will certainly be one of the key things about that he will address. he was just starting his speech by saying, i'm going to get to the geopolitical situation in a moment. and then we, we miss the rest of his doctor. here we go. here we go. let's douglas and national relations with council and in particular on the transatlantic friendship over the past years. thank you very much indeed,

ambassador for been with i would also like to link to take this opportunity to give the warm welcome to your successor, or if there is any one who can follow in such mighty food stamps. van it is you, christopher, i can read your comprehensive international experience and i'm delighted that we will remain in close contact with one another after you take up your new room and i wish you all the best one of them, ladies and gentlemen, conference of them. unique security conference has quite the sense of timing, as we all know, only too well. and yet, i would be pleased if we could meet in slightly less turbulent at time of the time . europe once again faced the threat to the ball and the risk has by no means been averted of making the bucket ribs move on. as that dominates public debate. even global challenges such as the pandemic and the fight against climate change of

fading into the back ground and getting the urgency require a response problem. it is in this same spirit, mr. issuing that i understood your words yesterday when you called on democratic societies to unless there, helplessness, god, oh, i'm sorry. i want to begin not least given the critic of security situation by making one thing clear. of course that in there is the core is the voice is alternately alternately proclaiming the demise of liberal democracies off the west or the international order that it has shaped. and i do not at all want to deny that the free democratic model of society has competitions with his arm. but we can say with confidence that this model, the whole has helped firm against this competition for um, the short, the reasons for that have not changed to days of lung has the democracies are more

adaptable and resilient in the long term. because freedom of opinion and diversity of opinion, free elections, the recognition of political position, the protection of minorities, ensure equitable satiety, vulnerable, states in which the rule of law prevails. the degenerate confidence and stability of truth and countries are stronger when they respect human dignity. instead of trembling on it, by them there is nothing devices if about confidently asserting this is because a life in freedom, justice, and dignity is precisely not an exclusively western aspiration, but a deeply human universal. one is a good longer with this concept of universal values is all set the root of the international order from that emerged from the cataclysms, often 20th century from board or it has in short of interest and growing prosperity

and not just in north america and europe. but precisely in those parts of the world that now in light of their increasing economic and political wait, want to have a great to say and a great to hand in shaping the future. and indeed, about doing so, looseness form. we should welcome this drive to join in shaping events agitation as it is a market success. because independent and strong, proud must do not wink in our position. in fact, they offer the possibility of solving programs that even the biggest tendency longest cannot handle a low enough or not. all of that has been brutally cold. but however, this international order is entirely dependent on a willingness to cooperate. so even when discussion with the other parties, challenging a call with clear convictions pragmatism, a healthy self confidence and yes, certainly regard and awareness of one's own strength of it is sustained by one corporal mise fury that every one, even the strong would play by the roots was really lives in walnut, and that brings me to what we have seen in the east of our continent in recent

months to put it plainly on vital mental solutions or dawdling. somebody will claim there is nothing that justifies the deployment of well over $100000.00 ocean, sold his rounding ukraine. but russia is holding up the issue of ukraine's potentially succession to nato as a case his belly, that is a pair of dogs here. it would be because there is no decision depending on the issue whatsoever. we, europeans and the trans atlantic community to have worn russia, that military aggression against ukraine would be a sylvia era. and we want this not to happen. unfold of the forcibly, russia has not, is closed, it responds to the proposal made by the us. and i say that, yes, we're ready to go. he goes, he had to go by law. and in doing so, we will, of course, make a clear distinction between untenable demands and legitimate security. long but we must have the confidence to differentiate between the 2,

given everything that is and stay on the fundamental principles of the osi unknown . because he had ruled class, russia has agreed to them and they include the right to freely choose ones. alliances like thought vicki volkswagen would reply at the same time. there are questions of security that are important for both sides. first and foremost, transparency, rent weapons systems, and exercises risk mitigation mechanisms and new approaches to arms control. use of hub restored with your mouth. my meeting with president putin on tuesday. i made it clear earlier that i need her. the violation of the territorial integrity of ukraine will have a high price for russia. and politically, can all my going to use strategical times, but don't, does take too much to you and i added at the same time that diplomacy, you will not fail because of us as much diplomacy as possible without being naive.

that is what we strive for. and we are utilizing all channels of communication to this and modem at the nato, russia council, which has met again for the 1st time in years the ac, where conflict prevention model can be discussed with all europeans russians and americans. poland, as the current chair has made suggestions in this regard of it was all theories, the bilateral channel between russia and the united states, and we utilizing the normandy format. it remains crucial for the resolution of the ukraine conflict in dearborn moscow. during my visits to keith and moscow bade societies asking for sized their readiness to implement the man's uminski agreement list dog. and i'm very grateful about fool to president zalinski for his commitment to now make progress with the necessary laws. and to discuss these in the trilateral content group, i know of course i am not under any illusions we cannot expect to see progressive alight nomic rubric. however,

we can only stop this crisis in its tracks. if we negotiate for what is at stake after all, is nothing less than piece in europe. one of hamilton, ladies and gentlemen of the muscle, hun invoice for all orders. this lunch is now young, has to be accompanied by a repositioning of europe and the transatlantic alliance. and had changed world strategy processes within the european union nature therefore hold a special significance. and i would like to mention 4 more fundamental considerations here. today with the 1st the 1st we will develop a broader understanding of security with the m s. c. and mr. issuing a has always been a pie, me in this respect, and it has come due to address the risk of rising from climate change of global health crises. so the abuse of cyberspace, space and new technologies as a matter of course approved in the sense of upswing. but for this broad understanding to emerge, it is essential for the european union in nature,

to complement and reinforce one another, to prepare themselves to face new writ of ultimately, a cyber attack remains a cyber tag, regardless of whether it is directed from st. petersburg to fran option chung loy, but warm. i think we agree, however, that taking new threats like these into a calendar is something different than laying claim to globally active need to her young. and indeed the developments of recent months in particular. show us how vitally it remains to concentrate on the issue of defending the alliance in the north atlantic area and has to be else going on. we need to muster the capabilities required for this. and yet latch includes germany to be in the 1st aeroplanes that fly shapes that can set out to see surgeries, who are optimally equipped for the dangerous tom. these are things that a country our size country, that bad, especially responsibility within europe,

must be able to manage and our belief that we owe this to our allies in nato, to dodge subsidies to them. i address myself and say that gemini stands by the guarantee of article 5 unconditionally, and we also shown practical solidarity at the moment. for example, with a greater boone dis, van presence in the baltic. and with nature app policing in the lines, the se, in flight. the noise that brings me to my 2nd soil dumps the repositioning afar line says, is not taking place in a vacuum. there is an in to play with other players and there were ambitions. oscar from the starting point for this is a clia. had it analysis of the world around us that suddenly new york mention of was almost 8000000000 people currently live on our planet. and this number is rising. just a fraction of the total was a dial advised the $450000000.33 respectively leaf in the european union.

all the united states does the immigration grandfather lives. we can see similar trends when we look at our shares in the global economy, recent dk decades. the slices of the pi i shrinking vote. and for me, this means that the world of the 21st century is neither unipolar, no bipolar. so it will have various centers of power will deserve re, boomers, purposely remove and this development, which is not in itself a bad thing. sublime if prosperity increases as a result or to stay with a metaphor with a pi as a whole becomes bigger behind the move, yada mentioned being the god for dies ever 1000000000, few people live phoenix, dream, poverty to day in life and 30 years ago. and this achievement is an achievement of the entire international community. one that we must fight for, particularly now, amid the pandemic. and the emergence of immediate class in countries such as china, indonesia and india old sit on a fence like his here liberal,

new blood and asia in particular about it is in any case, not a rise that we should speak of. but if anything, a revival nadine, kind of being a major powerful perspective of beijing or daley's not a historical anomaly, but rather a returned to the status quo until the big and there's nothing wrong with that. quite the opposite of whatever door does what is problematic is when they scrape in significance is trans, place it into a demand for legions. most spheres of insulin were survived when universal rule. so some one previously upheld, swept aside over night. no country should the but be the backyard of another who the for them super mom with the aspirations to power of china in particular must be seen and in yon's light. and our stance on them will be justice nuanced and we will see corporation where this is in our mutual interest in the fight against climate change and poverty,

or as challenging as it might be. on the issue of arms control, we will strengthen our own capabilities and we will give a firm response on where the preservation of the multilateral orders functioned. all human rights are trampled underfoot by boy of a good. but in all 3 areas, the same holds true and the more closely europe and north america coordinate the most successful, we will be all done with my money. and that brings me to my 3rd remark there. oh god, we need clarity on the level of the european union's ambition or humans issue comes to it's and security and beyond. issues of, of the key word here is european sovereign, your heart of your poetry. people i've just described, the shifts in geopolitical power that we have facing these days. with regard to the united states, it was clear that it would remain a center of gravity even in

a multi poland held. and i can be no doubt about that. and my talks in washington last week strengthened this conviction with her on the phone. but for europe, real things look different we. europeans can only preserve our ability to act effectively and to make autonomy decisions. if we pool our will. and our capabilities within the european union rings, when the funder appears on your hand. incidentally, when talk of the european union, i also mean the countries of the west and boykin's you have, i don't suppose it is not enough to cite the prospect of enlargement for this region. as a strategic goal. we must actively advance it when this morning that he does believe meals over your music. i'm pleased that so many colleagues from the region i hear to day because this task is a sham one is on your own. this little girl's mom on the european union. our framework for action, our opportunity to remain a power among powers,

and that is what we mean when we talk of european sovereignty on the path to achieving this. we need 3 things. firstly, the willingness to act as a power among palace. my secondly, joint strategic goal under thirdly, the capabilities to meet these goals on own habit. we are working on all these faculties, i'm withdrawn from the war of conflicts, and they also may clear the level of ambition that the e used new strategic compacts. my compact must regional and includes european efforts to find terrorism from civilian stabilization to equipment and to military training. 0 lawyer for the for it includes fresh momentum for more effective arms control, which transparency and confidence here in europe. and wilson warden talks with russia should they take place, can mark the beginning of these efforts to govern. and finally,

it also includes active european diplomacy problems such as we are practicing in our dealings with iran. for example. a propos isn't to move from iran in the morning, like we've come find the negotiations in vienna over the last 10 months. all of the ambulance elements, for conclusion, to the negotiations, are on the table. however, if iran continues to enrich fuel while also we're in suspending, i. e, a monitoring thought is unacceptable of the level of, of this for as a nuclear arms around is unacceptable. not last, not least because the security of digital is non negotiating in good reason doesn't buy it. and so we have her beat repeatedly indicated that the point will soon be reached, where we will have to decide whether a return to the j. c. p. o, a still at all reasonable enough i will. we have an opportunity now for him to reach an agreement that makes it possible for the sanctions to be lifted. and at the same time, if we do not succeed in this very soon,

the negotiations risk failing gives hon. iran's leadership paths. the choice now is the moment of truth. the trailer. does the wonder, you good luck on group. i'm going to start, i believe the nuclear talks left by the e. u. i a good example of what europe can achieve together with a 3rd party. and that brings me to my full with him to finally point something that i hopeful and request to few letters stating to go online most find build on as friends and allies to some blood sticking to kinda hug labrador for our friends and partners. that also means accepting the european union as a single entity, recognizing it as an international player and supporting further you integration. we have quite enough to do with our opponents trying to defied us. doesn't lead pamela earth in view. i'm deeply cray put to you, kamala harris. and i'm going to how many friends in the u. s. congress and the

american administration for upholding the promise day after day that president biden made he and munich last year to support the gold to support ago over europe. whoa. and free and at peace. dessert and this is literally through ho free and peaceful, and i would and sovereign european union is not targeted against anyone. and it is absolutely not a risk to transatlantic cohesion. on the contrary, that's me. but knowing humble, ultimately only an effective and capable heroes will remain an attractive partner for the united states. as a strong european pillar in the trans atlantic lines as a loud and clear voice for democracy, freedom and justice of one. and as americans closest friend and part, you know, one of the modem and now ladies and gentlemen are, i look forward to your questions and to our discussion. thank you very much for

giving me your attention from all on fills. and i'm here with the deed of the chief political correspondence. melinda crane. melinda, what's your main take away from all of shelters? i words there. this was very much a big picture speech in which he really gave us a whole tour of how he sees the world of 2022, namely as a world of a multi polar world, in which there are different centers of gravity and in which to some degree, we're seeing a once great powers rise again, of course china there and how europe needs to see itself and position itself with in that larger framework. so. so taking a step back, really, from a lot of what we've been talking about and none the less sending some very clear

messages that pertain to the current geopolitical. a crisis that we're seeing here in europe, for example, he reiterated germany's own commitment to nato and to it's article 5 of collective self to sense and said germany absolutely stands firm on that. and he also acknowledged in some ways, indirectly, the longstanding criticism that germany hasn't done enough to fulfill nato's goal of committing 2 percent of g d. p to military expenditures. and he said to be an adequate partner within nato. when they complain that can fly, we need ships that can go to see we need forces that are ready for battle. and there have of course been major issues with german readiness and german capabilities. and he attempted to set out their germany's commitment to doing better. this is a really a traditional theme out of unit security conference. we've heard many, many german leaders say we're wanting,

we want to do more. we will do more yet germany that, that 2 percent goal seems to remain quite elusive. he also talked about another thing that we've often heard in munich, which is european sovereignty and europe's ability to act as one in common security and foreign policy matters. and there he was quite strong in saying that europe needs to take on that kind of a role that it's crucial to do that also to be a good partner in the transatlantic alliance. and then we're gonna cross back to munich, and we're going to tune into the q and a and take a listen to what's been up to out will of shows to jerome johnson. that is of the utmost importance. so we have to see what can be seen, though we cannot ignore it. the massing of troops along the ukrainian border is an obvious event along the border with ukraine and also along the border with better homes. and also,

the naval forces that are being gathered all the military capacities and capabilities that are required for military intervention in ukraine out there. that is an undeniable fact. and at the same time, it will always be our top and continue to be our task. to use any openings, however mind they may be in order to open the road towards negotiations. so despite the difference is that that may be noticeable here with regard to interpreting documents available to us. and i made that clear in my discussion with put and also with regard to the response he sent to nato. i read that they are in favor of negotiating on arms control, issues and on issues such as transparency sale discussion discussing differences is something that leads to negotiations. everyone who's here will not be in

a position to forecast what is going to happen if those who were didn't dare to do so would be giving into hubris. so it's a discussion that we need to engage it or we have to use the opportunities that are there, the openings that open up and that you strategy that we have chosen is exactly the right approach. we sat and say on the one hand, we have prepared ourselves much better than we used to be in many similar situations. we can immediately take decisions on necessary sanctions, should that be a military aggression? and at the same time we say we want to engage. we want to negotiate, but on the basis of on principles paths. another one further comment in that regard . putin has been for reactive as a historian of late published documents that many of you may have read. and they played a major part in my discussion with him. but to me personally, this is something that i find very important. indeed,

a piece in europe can only be preserved if the borders are being accepted as they are. if no one aims to change them. when we go back in the history books, we would always find a reason for wars that may last 100. he is, but they will devastate our continent. it has to be clear that we accept the boldest as they are to day. that we accept the sovereignty of those countries that are there and that is the only principle that can carry t c charity in here. you know what the whole thing was you know like to, i were just heard there from all after shots. it was, he spoke to us there about peace in europe, only being preserved the borders as they are. he got a big round of applause. one of the only one though, no, no, and it was on a similar point. the biggest applause he got in his speech is when he talked about there will be no return to the old order of spheres of influence. and again, picking up on

a theme that we heard from secretary general of nato young dalton bag, who also said the russian demands as they stand right now with seek to do exactly that. and of course, it's not on the rushes demand that nato pull back its troops and infrastructure from the eastern european countries that have joined since the fall of the berlin wall. it's also china saying are exercising its own aspirations to influence in its sphere. whether it's hong kong, taiwan or elsewhere, and he is very firm on that point. the german chancellor, otherwise rather soft spoken in many ways. and this was certainly a speech that was very much about about values, about the value of democracy, about the fact that democracies are, are adaptable. the democracies are stable because of participation. but in this case he was, he was quite direct with his message. and then we're going to go back to munich

because they're speaking about the delivery of weapons to you crank, let's take a lesson that what would you say looking back? would you say we should have done more over the course of the past years to contribute to ukraine's and says get this legal posture or would you stick to the principal? we won't, they're all going for very long time. already. we have been applying very tight. i'm arms export restrictions as i sat there, very tight indeed. and the biting by those regulations. it's never been possible for germany to deliver such weapons to countries like ukraine that may not come as a surprise to many people because this applies to a similar situation in other parts of the world. we have supported ukraine in other ways. we are the biggest financial supporters for ukraine lab for many,

many years. we have supporting them ever since 2014. and we intend to continue to be the country that makes the biggest contribution towards the financial and economic stabilization of ukraine. and i think everyone is aware of that, at least when you talk to them behind closed doors. and it would be nice if it would find it's reflect in some way the discussion outside those close doors be half he committed to that obligation of ours and a we stand by that a sense of support for ukraine. i rate i erased the issue of us increasing our at as support for the presence of troops in the baltic states and also the abilene mission program. thank you very much. i think the 1st question, the question to address is a former recipient of the christ award, former senator joe lieberman. we're so glad you could come the senator. dear joe, you are flor. thank you. okay,

thank you for your years of leadership of the conference in the transatlantic alliance. it's an honor rebec jeff. so let me 1st thank you for your remarks this morning. it's self evident that american elsewhere we are beginning to get to know you and i thought your remarks today were very reassuring and very encouraging. they were strong, they were clear and they were principles. they were based on the principles of democracy in human rights. as you stated so eloquently that are at the heart of the transatlantic alliance of nato and of the european community. and i foot dissected the russian position very effectively, particularly from the point that put in claims that his mass, these troops around ukraine,

a big to stop ukraine from becoming part of the nato when that's not even on the table. and i, i would add that put in a position is even more inconsistent and illogical because of course, nato is a defensive alliance. it doesn't threaten the russians at all, but it leads me to this question. i fear in some way, we all have not invited this crisis around ukraine, but enabled it by, by hesitating to move forward on the general promise we've made as the secretary general said earlier, of the openness of nato and the european union odd to nations based on their own self determination, and that we have done this probably out of some deference to russia. and i think

that has enabled putin to take this aggressive stand he has taken. so i wanted to ask you whether one of the lessons we should learn from this crisis when it is over, hopefully is fully is to begin to accelerate what clearly seems to be the desire of the people of ukraine to, aside with join europe in the transit or nick alliance, which is to say to accelerate their membership 1st in the european union, and then eventually in nato. thank you very much. yeah, thank you very much. i'm sure that we did not invite protein for the things he is doing. and to, to be very clear, nature is not aggressive. there's no reason for being a freight. the opinion is not aggressive. there's no reason for being afraid. he

argues different, but in the end, from our point of view, this is absolutely clear. and when i'm saying this to him, he always is arguing with, from a conflict. and for me, it was later saying there nato worse, aggressive and was, was harming people that having done nothing. i answered to him that this was a genocide. we tried to avoid with what we did and he should not misunderstand that to people on the west and both come, absolutely willing to become a member of the european union. so this is not how they see it in viet and are. so there is a real difference and then he is coming to argue that in don bus, there is something like genocide which is really ridiculous to be very clear on that. but this is his story. and

it's always important that we look more intensely into what others say. and i already already quoted the article putin wrote half a year ago. if we would take him literally, this would not let us being very optimistic about the future. but i, i refused to do that. i think it's just to discussing about history and i am answering as i did to that the 1st talk we had here that we cannot change borders, that we have to accept the integrity and serenity of states that are there are coming back to your question. this is the real problem that there is not the need to membership of ukraine on the agenda. it will not happen the next time and even not on the near time foot. he knows that

but he is arguing that because of the potential risk that this may happen. he is in this situation and that he has any right to act as he is doing. i think he is completely wrong and we have to insist on that. and this is why it is one of our political leadership tasks that we speak open about this fact. and on the under, we have to assure that for democratic alliances as the natal as european union as if you may, the united states, they never can say there is not the principal openness. so yes, when you took new states to become denied, part of the united states of america. this is a time long ago, i think possibly puerto rico might come,

but it's not too many other states that will do so. and something like this will happen to other alliances as well that though they are principally open, there is some when the moment when you understand that there will be not too many movements in the future. but coming back to what is the situation we are in, this is not where we are. we are facing a conflict in europe about a question that is not on the agenda. and this is in acceptable. and this is what we are having to argue. and this is what we have to make clear when we go to what we want talks between different parties to go away from that for you and i go, thank you very much. oh, we just heard her all of hills to germ cancer, answered english there. and he was a, he covered a lot of ground once again and his answer and, but we were just talking here in the studio about this

a complimentary rel. tell them. yesterday we, yesterday we heard the u. s. secretary of state and the german foreign minister. talk about the fact that yes, there united, but they also have different and complimentary roles. and certainly we see that here he is solidly professing his alignment with his european and us partners. at the same time, he's giving us some insights into what he heard in his meeting with vladimir putin . and it was a long intensive meeting and, and as you know, the, his party, the social democratic party here in germany has long ties with russia. some would say, oh for some members of the party to friendly ties, but at any rate he clearly has put in here and put in, gave him a real, a look into as he called it put in story. and it comports with what we're hearing from some russian experts in the u. s. foremost. fiona hill,

who was the former national security advisor, or deputies and national security adviser to donald trump, who says he has put in, has a narrative, and we're not sure what intelligence he's actually getting. we have the impression that he is living to some degree in a bubble in which he gets information that reinforces his narrative. and that certainly would appear to be what we also just heard from ola schultz that put in his telling himself a story about ukraine's belonging this to the russian nation. that is, it's not based in fact, but it is a very compelling narrative for him. and that was quite fast. i thought it was such fascinating, melinda, and also he mentioned one area we're talking about this territorial integrity, the violation of the territorial integrity. when he was speaking about dumbass. and he said that vladimir putin is talking about genocide, which all of health referred to as ridiculous indeed. so one key question is going

to be this unity of the west. how solid is it? if russia doesn't engage in, say, a violation of the border in the sense that it sends its forces. apparently, their elite troops now stationed also at the border over across that border towards key of or if russia engages in something at a lower threshold, perhaps agreeing after all to the russian parliament's request that it recognized the break away self proclaimed republics in the eastern part of the country in don bass and what would the west do then now, ola schultz said there will be a strong response if there is a violation to territorial integrity. if you parse that it sounds at 1st, like he's referring to an actual invasion forces crossing the border. but of course, an annexation of parts of the eastern part of the country on the basis of such a declaration of the break away republics would of course,

also violate territorial integrity. so i think his, his response is still a applicable to such a lower threshold action, but that will be the key test going forward. and you better believe that's a major discussion in close door talks in munich, lynn. i think we should perhaps go back to unit because that q and a is still taking place there with at the german chancellor or left shells. so i think we can go back in june in really brief, but i don't, i can't even see you through your mask. so you need to identify yourself. please back there in the room though. here this i'm thank you, ken ross from human rights watch. human rights watch. mister chancellor, the pri, her german government, was criticized for allowing business, entrusts to stand in the way of

a consistently strong human rights policy. this came up during the german presidency of the european union when chance or miracle signed off on an investment deal with china, with very weak provisions against the force labor of weaker muslims. it came up with the european union budget where she settled for kicking the can down the road on rule of law conditionality, for hungary and poland. and it comes up with a gas purchase russia. so my question to you is, what steps will you take to ensure that german business entrust, do not stand in the way of a strong, her german governmental commitment to promoting human rights. germany is committed to human rights to make that clear. and we already worked very hot under decisions, some of them we already have. and we tried to convince others to be helpful in this field. on the global level and,

and debates we have internationally. so we have now a very strict supply chain legislation in germany. and japan union were have a similar legislation very soon and i hope other countries both follow so that we give responsibility to operates to companies, that they are responsible. what is happening in their supply chain. we have to do it in a very pragmatic way, but this is one of the answers we are giving to this question. it's a very progressive and a very effective answer. this is the same when we are discussing about trade agreements, saying that for instance, referring to the international labor organizations, basic principles is one of the things we ask for. so this is also an answer to your question,

how to deal with that and being clear on human rights and minority rights on the rule of law and indiana democracy. and this is why i refer to my speech so intensely to the question that democracies are strong and this is what the people are having and want to have from their heart. it is not just for us in europe or for us in the united states. it's something for us in the world which people like to have. if we understand this, we can be clear on principles. we have to find ways how we make them more important in international relations. and i explained 2 of them to you. and my view is that this does not mean that we are preferring the crap decoupling. this is a mistake. it would be a big mistake for all our people in our, in the world. because globalization in dns created wealth and, and,

and in all our countries. and many companies all over the world are successful, though they are very small, but they produce for the world market. and if they would just produce things or develop a i p or export services just for a small market of their nation or of the opinion of the united states. they would be never that successful as they are so happening. globalization is something that gives us altogether a better chance for better income. and i already said that it is a great advantage that there are no middle classes all over the world in africa, in this house of america, in asia. and we should be happy to have this being more important for the future. but this does not mean that we are not looking for human rights and for the rule of

law. and we have to create policies, how we can do it. and in international trade relations, there are options and i explained 2 of them to you that were in this country contacting doug. okay, when we were just hearing there from the german chance her all laugh. schultz and in munich at we have our chief political editor at mckayla chris down here in the, in the studio with me following the conferences, d, w chief, political correspondent, in the crime. i'm gonna move over to munich for a moment. now mckayla, you've been following events there at live on the ground and tell us what you're at main take away. and from what you've seen this morning. i think i got, we got a pretty good idea how fine the line is that the german chance and that the whole you is actually treading on this stand off. that is looking more and more like potential aggression by russia and ukraine. and we heard from johnson,

so just now when he then sifted into speaking english and ready, him more alluded more than alluding to this being about a lot more than a regional confrontation. that really, this is in that we are in the midst of a system, competition of the future of democracy and pointing towards the potential thinking of lady ma putin. really, that it really is him wanting to avoid a prosperous democracy right on his order at which may be more popular in the end with its own citizens than in russia. where he clearly is not taking such care about any kind of diplomatic standards and also a joke at that order. so it's of course made when he was in that press conference on tuesday, where was also in the room basically asking about him and put in how long he wanted to stay in power. surely not eternally. that was quite quite a bit of humidity in the face. of such

a serious situation of but did the you germany committee not wanting to be naive. that's what, what i saw as stressed but wanting to make. so it has exhausted every possible avenue of diplomacy before launching sanctions and stressing time and time again that they are very well ordinated. but everybody knows that they would hot but sides mikaela. you were also there earlier for at when we heard from the commission president at ursula founder line. i'm one of her key areas that she was looking at was the issue of energy. can you tell us a little bit more about that and, and what you took away from it, his and actually got the chance to ask her about that because she came into us as a while after a speech. she did point out that 40 percent of gas imports into the you come from russia and that is a great dependency. what she didn't mention is that 2 thirds of the income raso makes with gas experts come from the you. so,

and that should be an interdependency which clearly doesn't play out into any kind of leverage by the you at this moment in time. that's why they're talking about a really broad range of sanctions. and nobody will let us look at that very list. but that is the hillis he'll of the european union no matter how much it stands together, just to get through this winter, just to be able to explain to its own consumers who is seeing energy prices skyrocket in some areas. and there is a need, there is a dependency on russia with russia and not willing to send any more gas down does pipelines than it absolutely must under those contracts. and so a tricky situation for the you. and yet her stressing time and time again that the is resolved and act, but we keep hearing references to military aggression. we don't really get much d, so what a hybrid black would mean mikaela just on by for a 2nd. cuz what we want to do is we're going to actually take a listen now to at the nato secretary general young shelter berg at let's take

a listen to what he had to say. we call on our show to do well to says, i'll redraw its forces from the borders of ukraine. this will be on an unimportant 1st step towards a peaceful solution. it is not too late for russia to change course. to step back from the brink. stop preparing for war on start working for a peaceful solution. now, mikaela euro listening to yan sultan burge there, and he mentioned a peaceful solution. he talked about trans atlantic relationship briefly. what was your impression of, of began shelton birds words well, 1st of all, we've learned that we really are on that brink. that is something that we don't really want to be debating so much. he is certainly in the european union that many politicians are sighing away from that. he also said that if russia wants less nato

on its borders, it will eventually get more native, bigger, and they to, to is bolstering it's troops. so that is a clear message sent and with the hope that no action has to follow. ok, mikaela kushner at d. w as chief political editor who's in munich force and at our chief political correspondent in the crime, who's been here since you to thank you both for your analysis. now you're watching deed of new news from berlin. more coming at the top of the hour and don't forget you can follow the entire unit security conference live on our youtube channel. combo hires on ukrainian present voluntary to lansky speaking there later. so to everybody, thanks for joining us. take care and see very soon,

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