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is going to take time is not gonna occur, is going to say, oh my god, these sanctions are coming. i'm going to stand down. he's gonna test the resolve of the west to see if we stay together and we will, we will impose significant course on him. will he go beyond ukraine, sir? do you see him going? yes. i do. topic is really quick. first. markets are down in gas prices. they're up, i know you always threats the difference between wall street and main street, but everybody seems to be in for some economic pain. how economically painful is it gonna get for people in this country? and i do have one more question. first of all, there is no doubt that when a major nuclear power attacks and invades another country, that the world is going to respond and markets can respond all over the world. so there's no doubt about that. number one, number 2, the notion that this is going to last for
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a long time is highly unlikely as long as we continue to stay resolved in imposing the sanctions. we're going to impose on russia period. what's the next question? i'm sorry. the next question is, did you underestimate potent and would you still describe them the way they did in the summer as they were the adversary? at the time he was, i made it clear as an adversary and i said he was worthy. i didn't underestimate him. and i've read most of everything he's written, did you read a sions? i'm not in wiseguy. the you heard the speech. he made almost an hour for his speech as why he was going into ukraine. he has much larger ambitions in ukraine. he wants to, in fact, reestablish the former soviet union. that's what this is about. and i think that his a, his ambition sir, are, are completely contrary to the place where the rest of the world has arrived here.
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confident that these devastating sanctions are going to be as devastating as russian missiles and bullets and tanks. yes, russian bullets missiles and tanks in ukraine. yes, i am. yes. if i did, if sanctions cannot stop president putin. what penalty can i didn't say sanctions couldn't stop. who you've been talking about the thought of these things since for several weeks now. but the threat of the sanctions and imposing the sanctions and seeing the effect of the sanctions are 2 different things for 2 different things. organ now going to, he's going to begin to see the effect of the sanctions. and what will that do? how will that change his mindset here and given he can go so weak in his country that he'll have to make them very, very difficult choices of whether to continue to move toward being 2nd rate power. or in fact respond. you said in recent weeks that big nations cannot bluff when it
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comes to something like this. you recently said the idea personally sanctioning president putin was on the table. is that a step that you're prepared to take? and if not blocked, it's on the table sanctioning president putin. yes. why not sanction him today, sir? why not sanction mister president? i can, you detailed some severe and swift new sanctions today and said the impact will have over time. but given the full scale invasion, given that you're not pursuing, disconnecting russia from what's called swift international banking system, or other sanctions at your disposal. respectfully, sir. what more are you waiting for specifically with the sanctions we've imposed exceeds swift. the sanction we oppose exceed anything. it's ever been done. the sanctions were imposed have generated 2 thirds of the world joining us. they are profound sanctions. let's have a conversation. and another month or so to see if they're working. yes. can i ask about the landscape sir? you spoke to vladimir zalinski yesterday, sir?
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what's the, what's the risk that we're watching the beginning of another cold war, and is there now a complete rupture in us and russian relations? there is a complete rupture right now in us, russian relations. if they continue on this path or on and in terms or cold war, that depends if you have the vast majority of the rest of the world and total opposition, what he's doing from asia to south america, to europe, to occur around the world. and so it's going to be a cold day for russia. the idea, you don't see a whole lot of people coming to his defense. and are you, are you? if i could follow up, sir? are you urging china to help isolate russia? are you urging china to help isolate russia? i'm are prepared to come in at that moment. oh, no. yeah. no, no,
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no. he shall stand up on time. thank you mister president. how concerned are you that put in wants to go beyond ukraine into other countries in the u. s. will have to get involved if he moves into nato countries, or you didn't want to nato countries, you will be involved. we will be involved. the only thing that i'm convinced of is if we don't stop now, he'll be emboldened if we don't move against him now with these to significant sanctions, he will be a bold look. you know, every year. well anyway, and you talk anything more about your conversation with directly. why not? why not thinks in directly with other i'm so i can hear you. so india did a me, their defense partner of their net to states is india with for lee with you on the issue of creating the share does defense department india is one of your major
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defense partners? is india fully in? think with united states on, on russia, we're going to be, we're in consultation with india today. we haven't resolved that. complete one more . okay. all right, so as the your 3rd president joe biden addressing rushes invasion of you cry a started day such a by saying, i told you i warned you about this went on to talk about the sanctions of that have been agreed within the u. s. and with usaa partners, a talked about taking steps to defend nato's allies and talked about tomorrow's summit. and also had a reassuring a message for the american people he talked about. this is go, these are hard times for americans who already hurting. and he assured them that
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the u. s. government would do everything that he could to help them. let's bring into the conversation oliver solid, who's been there also watching that press conference in washington, or welcome back oliver. what jumped out at to you from that? i was just as expect to fill a really strong condemnation. you could also really feel the atmosphere there in the hall when journalists were really yelling their questions at him. questioning the sanctions and pard, why they didn't come out harsha. well, but let's start from the, from the beginning. i mean, he gave of, let him your poodle in the russian president, the full responsibility for this attack. he called it naked aggression, a desire to recreate a russian empire is what he said that was unprovoked and unjustifiable. those were his words. and he then went on in detail how vladimir putin prepared this military
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attack on ukraine. in spite of all the diplomatic efforts that were under way for weeks and months. and so this notion and that came out for me also, diplomacy in deterrence, that this really failed. and this is what came out of this press conference. you write sanctions would have a big part of this conversation. i'm talk us through what we understand the u. s. is going to do yes. so in the, in the eyes of a president biden, this is a very harsh sanctioned package that the u. s. putting together or has put together with its partners. that's one very important aspect here. he really made clear that the united states is speaking together with one voice with its natal partners and allies on the other side of the atlantic. he talked about blocking for additional rushing russian banks a completely off from the u. s. financial markets. we didn't hear any sanctions on
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the energy sector. that was part of what, what was expected. we also didn't hear anything of swift, the financial system that russia so urgently needs to get paid for its oil and gas exports. we also didn't hear any word of direct sanctions for president putin. that was also expected. there were a lot of critical questions on that question, why putin is not sanctioned? why swift is not part of it for president biden then said that what he has put together is already harsher than swift could have been. so we will have to see in the also says that those sanctions will have to be reassessed. essentially, what he says is that all the sanctions that are put together here should have the ability to limit russia from doing business with the united states and its partners . that russia already feels the consequences, the ruble, and the russian stock market is in free fall and are going towards historic laws. and that the russian acts is essentially to finance and technologies is severely
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limited with the sanction package here. thank you. that's oliver. i think w, corresponding on a summit in washington, you watching special extended coverage here on d, w up top story, which of course is the russian invasion of ukraine. the latest development u. s. president joe biden announcing new sanctions targeting russian financial institutions after president putin launch this full scale invasion. he also said the u. s. would send additional troops to boost nato allies in eastern europe. russia has been carrying out attacks with air and land forces across the crate. kia says it doesn't have been killed and many injured in an assault that nato has described as a cold blooded invasion. western intelligence sources fear that care could fall into russian hands within 24 hours. leaders are promised to impose crippling sanctions as a result of this that's
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a huge to the ukrainian capital q. let's join d w correspondent. funny fish are welcome. funny. what's happening there? now it is easily quiet really, you see hardly anyone here on the street. a few vehicles driving by here, various ukrainian, a vehicles ukrainian vehicles to belong to the ukrainian security forces. but other than that, there's not much going on right now here in the city center. now the pictures quite differentiate 50 kilometers from here. there's a military airport and there's heavy battle being reported between ukrainian military forces and a russian troops. conflicting reports rather, that military airport has been taken, has fallen basically into russian hands or not. but if it actually does, it's a very critical infrastructure, because with that military airport, russia could basically, ob,
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sending even more military gear and more people. so it's a very critical infrastructure there that is currently still under heavy battle. now the situation, keith, even though it seems like very calm, but that's actually due to the situation right now. there is martial law in place to sell checkpoints that have been set up through the city. and people are called on by the government to actually stay at home and a brace for what is expected to be a quite difficult night. right. and on that point about her airports are fall into the the russians are talking to terry schultz who was at nato headquarters. she was hearing that she was also telling us about a briefing from a western intelligence official who were saying that her care is expected to fall in the next 24 hours. what are you hearing from the ukrainian leadership? what do they say? the ukrainian presidency has warned already later this afternoon here that even
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journalist should actually just stay in the newsrooms because they cannot guarantee their safety in terms of what's happening around the area around the government. they are expecting that it could be an assault, even though the presidents also points out not to panic in a way very mixed messages at $1.00 0, for one the ukrainian government is trying to display a self confident, prepared behavior. on the other hand, they also calling on anyone was able to just called a gun to basically show up and support the ukrainian military forces, which of course, we know are quite inferior compared to the russian forces in numbers, a number of soldiers, a military gear, et cetera, even training, even though the ukrainian military is much better trained than they were 8 years ago, you have to look at the, the numbers as well. and the situation right now around ukraine, the border to the north, the border to the east, to the south. physically and circled by russian troops and military. and as we have
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seen, it is not to say a military operation vote as vladimir put in, pointed out when he ordered the russian troops to move in into ukraine. but actually this is a full scale invasion that we are seeing here play out both an evasion by land, by air, by sea. really given that is so, so unclear was going to happen. but we cannot ignore the fact that the russian troops are very, very close to the city center. as a result, we really do not know what the next hours are going to bring and what kind of capital city ukrainians are going to wake up to. to morrow morning, people must, there must be ferry, scared, fun. actually, it really depends who you talk to are. it's really, you do see the fee and people's eyes regardless whether they say that they a port and they want to resist with or without arms. but that thea basically
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results in different reactions as some people left or trying to leave ukraine. they are long, long queues that are forming a both on the highways towards the west lock use forming at gasoline stations. people were packing up and food and basic things as a few supermarkets that were still open. he and keith. so they are, people are really panicking and they want to leave. but then the others who are concerned as well, but they say they're not going to take the sovereignty, the freedom, the democracy of the country away. in fact, i've just seen a few hours ago, a young man on his bicycle carrying a ukrainian flag. he was the only man here, the only person here at my don at independent square. and it really was a picture to me that a yes, this concern is fear. but there's also a sense or a bood of, of, of, of basically not, not heading russia to say what the future of this country is. thank you for that, honey. and if a show in care, well,
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let's go back to nato headquarters and join terry shoals. welcome back, terry. let's start with that some military intelligence or update that you've been talking about. what else are you here? yes. well, i was very interested to hear also what fanny was seeing on the ground because of course, this picture is made up of all of these parts and intelligence is only one part of it. of course, what's happening on the ground is equally important, and nobody knows for sure the entire picture at the moment. so what i've been told by this western intelligence source is that they very much fear that if the pace of the invasion continues as it has up until now, they have could be encircled and fall to the russians within 24 hours. of course, i mean that is not a 100 percent certain assessment, but this is what it looks like now from the success that the russians have had in
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taking over the country all the way to the capital. they now control this official says, all of ukrainian air space, they control both the military and the civilian airport in a near cube. so this of course is a very, very key asset for the ukranian government that has been lost. this official also fears that, that putin does intend to go all the way into the capital and try to remove president zalinski and replace him with a puppet president that would carry out moscow's wishes. so the assessments are very, very dire at the moment. right? and you're that nato headquarters, the nato plan is to stand by and watch this happen while bolstering its own defenses. ukraine is not a member of nato, and as of as depressing as this is, nato is not going to go in and enjoying the ukrainian side by side. in this combat
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. today we heard secretary general soldier berg praised the ukrainian men and women in uniform for fighting bravely. i think everyone's hearts are breaking as they watch this, but there is simply would never be an agreement by 30 allies to go in and fight for ukraine. that was never going to happen. some of the, some of the allies, particularly the united states, the u. k. have trained the ukrainian military for years, have sent a both defensive and offensive equipment to the ukranian government. knowing that perhaps one day they would have to use it that one day russia would come and, and force them to fight for their independence. but obviously, the, the russian armed forces are, you know, the ukrainian forces are no match for russian. this official said that the russians have brought overwhelming force to this fight. they have brought troops in from bella ruth as was feared. so it wasn't just the initial build up that we saw on the
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border. it was part of these $30000.00 that they left in belarus after joint exercises concluded. so as fanny said, this is not just a military operation. this definitely looks at least from where i'm, i'm hearing brussels and what i'm hearing here. like a full scale take over of the country. the messages that we've been hearing from organizations like the european union and nato, they all talk about unanimity. i'm solidarity, i'm. i wonder how you now the most unsullied nato is at the moment because we, we've seen countries like, like turkey in the past, of which, of course it ripples within the alliance. that's true, but not over questions of defending a nato borders. and back to your earlier question, what, what nato's job is, is to make sure that this instability, that this insecurity does not spread beyond ukraine into nato countries. you've got
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allies right there along the border with ukraine, with russia, with beller ruse. the baltic states and poland have long been calling for more reinforcements for years, even for decades to saying we need more back up just in case something happens. nobody is saying that president would make the decision to come into nato territory that this invasion of ukraine, even a takeover of ukraine, if that's what ends up happening, would extend beyond the borders of ukraine and of valerie, which is a willing participant in this. but they just have to make sure that there's no question and president putin's mind that he cannot do that. and to reassure the citizens of these countries, that nato is there to back them up. that's what nato's job is. and yes, as cold hearted as it sounds, that's what nato is doing, is saying, you know, ukraine is, is, is not a l i. it does not have article 5 guarantees. but the rest of these countries that we're talking about backing up is don't you left me a lithuania, poland, romania, bulgaria, all of those countries along the eastern plank. we've got them covered. thank you.
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that's terry terry schultz in brussels at nato headquarters. has talked to, to me through months at auction, who's a research associate for eastern europe, the german institute for international and security affairs, which i think talked in berlin. welcome to d. w. do you expect this to stop with the invasion of ukraine? ah, good evening. i don't think that this is going to stop or the invasion of ukraine based on, on what president fulton has said earlier when he announced the, the invasion of it. it seems that the objectives are wider and it seems that ukraine is just an element of the russian strategic architecture. the way they view
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is that it has to be stablished in europe because they are talking about continue to talk about the security guard entities that russia demanded about making ukraine notarized and not allow leads to get closer to nita countries. so i believe in my assessment that this is just the 1st step in the a wider strategic content that the russian government has. you mentioned these security guarantees that russia has asked for. was that ever? do you think of something that russia was concerned about? they put base base these demands on the tables that they know will not be met, and then march into ukraine anyway. it sounds like this was never about that. it was always about taking ukraine. the way re this is that russians use this expression, security guard and tease,
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to basically express their demand about a division of europe, interest, european princes. so for them, security guarantees me ins that the west is not going to any more to have. the former soviet union countries gets closer to them. the west is going to withdraw and allow russia to take over, allow russia to establish a political control over this countries. and while before, it could have been questioned whether putting only has in my, in the non nato countries in eastern europe based on his demands that natal withdraw and military deployments in their former war. so park that on the countries that on our member will think that does suggest that the russian ambitions are quite wider. so i would not view
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the demand for security guarantees or just the projects. i think russia use this phrase to common flash to give a benign flavor to basically demands in terms ofa, you know, last century out poverty, right? this is moving very, very quickly. i don't started it sort of 6 o'clock for 4 or 6 o'clock this this morning. and now we are being told by western intelligence sources that they expect care to fall within 24 hours. what do you think will happen next? ah, i mean military planners that are connected to the ukrainian government and know exactly they keep it. but with these they, they have probably have a quite a nightmare at estimation. but based on the things we see it,
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it's not necessarily that keith is going to be take can over that. so even though we know that russians a russian able to force us to go over a lending fields near here. and there are reports that they ascending about 20022500 water troopers to, to, to that, to land over there. and to try to, to take over here. we have to understand that. com, but in all areas is really difficult in the ukrainians. have i have been prepared for this kind of conflict for a while. so i, i am questioning the assessment that is going to be controlling 24 hours now. that doesn't mean that eventually ukrainians would not be forced to see more terrain. that's, that's likely to happen. whether it's going to fate sometime in business give. so port unity for the, for the west to take a different measures because getting some strikes to your question. i think the
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russian objective seems to be to focus 1st of all, to take over the key of and establish a government that he's a lawyer, which means that they already have people prepare the place to pay for this role. and then if this happened, then the russians would basically try to diminish their political costs and present your credit in situation as a domestic conflict before the be established proper government. then we're going to going to present it as a new, legitimate government that is trying to represent the interest of the citizens understood that in their, in their earlier claims where they do new. it was even worry that this was for a question or yes, it does that. thank you so much for joining us. demitra mit such been satcher research associate at the job institute for international and security affairs.
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thank you. thank you. bye bye. this is dale newsday turns are continuing coverage of russia's war against you. crime is also more news and analysis on the d . w dot com have a good day ah, [000:00:00;00]
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to this g? i witnesses review an unprecedented story with theory, live of the great documentary series, iraq destruction of a nation starts march 4th on d, w. b o. the world looks on as russian president vladimir putin launch his a full scale attack on ukraine. and now it's becoming clear that he intends to use his country's military might in a bid to rewrite european history. the west, meanwhile, has been imposing what have been described as the toughest sanctions ever but potent is clearly not impressed. so is it time for europe's democracies to face up to some new and uncomfortable truths, and perhaps fight for their future. on to the point to ask ukraine under attack is

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