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ah, this is the w news life from berlin. russian forces attack here on the 2nd day of vladimir putin war against you. cray, people, shelter in metro stations is air raid sirens sounds. and then clean up apartment, struck by shelley. ukraine says it is battling russian forces near the capital and reports more than 130 count. as his military advances vladimir putin signals, he's willing to negotiate the kremlin, says it could send representatives to meet with ukrainian officials after ukraine's lot of mirrors. then he said he was prepared to discuss neutral status for his country. and after agreeing unprecedented sanctions,
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you leaders move to please the assets of russian, president, putin and foreign minister, love rav, but hold back on cutting off in russia from global bank transactions. ah, a welcome to the program, russian forces are pressing in closer to ukraine's capital care on day 2 of a full scale invasion. the mass, as the city has entered, the defensive face and ukrainian military vehicles are entering the capital to protect it from approaching russian troops. ah, there a sirens have been sounding in care of and other cities, prompting people to take shelter in metro stations that have been reports of clashes in and around care of. after russia bombarded the city with missiles overnight, cranes government says at least $137.00,
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the soldiers and civilians have been killed. countries. a russian president vladimir pro, so has claimed he's willing to negotiate. after the cranes presidents the landscape, raise the possibility of discussing neutral status for his country. but the condition of such toys are not immediately clear. with short d, w correspondence, nick connelly on the line, he was in care of and like so many others has been forced to flee a welcome. nick, can you tell us where you are and what's going on? so we've just been heading south west and trying to keep away since like to kind of unclear sites in the geography and kind of try to predict where things happen basically just shows the direction that seem to be the least likely to see fighting . so we're heading to do which is kinda towards the end. but even though we've seen lots of tanks and green tank setting towards kids to
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join that fight, we've seen worse came to us lots people on the roads, lines outside central station to control that college and checkpoints during up. you can kind of see that kind of sandbags being piled with each other and really in flux, jones, the kind of speech services we are just in the 1st hours. and there's trying to kind of get a grip on where they're going to be some. so what's gonna be expected? and people who stayed in the capital, they just hoping for the best or preparing for an actual invasion is no longer an impossibility. i mean, people have to divide maybe stage and she have to move to send it to the suburbs to maybe the weekend. how somewhere, anywhere away from obvious targets, like government buildings or many translations, to try and tell the place you can
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send sheets into can point to the grading ministration. places from your office building. that looks really bad because it's getting sort of move was possible for us. and then again, they faced other nights in sheltered or in metro stations like they have already kind of want to terrify science which are on whether that searching is to coming from seeing the center so much to really pulling yesterday as a result of michelle's giving you a very soft movie situation. one which i guess for the weeks this is good. but anyway, expect the funding and presidents and i'm still in the country. how dangerous is the situation for him? so he said that he believes that he is target number one. the goal discretion is to
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do the tick, likes to, to configure, and then kind of play with these because he and for us and then install return kind of pocket to ship its own money. its own favorite to, to lead ukraine and then agreed some kind of deal that's to have the claim coming down to russia and not just may not neutral but also fall close in terms of iteration to our so to say. but right now done to performance civic countries, so that the real world, very aggressive rhetoric and most as they can get this dimension to be about demilitarize in notifying you claims by the best i see to kind of damage to my the craving, some kind of not to states without even bothering to actually explain what, how they see that why they would explain that. it's just
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a kind of claim that turn out to try and clean something justification for this presumably last time. and we're, so we're not super, not going out on the streets and ask them why they're just doing this is the country was rushed for me. it's supposed to say that without making the case, it seems why this is obsolete. and a lot of people are leaving, not just the cities, but the country as well. one of the main routes out walker. now the main root is straight west out of towards leave, which is the still the quota base you today the some of the main roads leading west was fighting, fighting between forces potential even worse and tanks. and you know me just within about 15 kilometers about made all 3 leading out and give me some people out about it was very, very no traffic jams. people stop 1000 times. you can imagine being being stuck in
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traffic and basically talk to a knowing that shooting and even time for the stroke. perfect, given the had difficulties and in fine feel like to go and how to get people panic or rate or push ahead and cues patrol station several the kind of 30 and they're kind of jason people in some way. keeping calm and dealing with the situation is there if they can. thank you so much for letting us know what's going on. do try and stay safe. thank you for an economy and can and just outside kim, i should say are in finance. ministers have been meeting today in paris to discuss further sanctions against russia, germany's under increasing pressure to drop its opposition to cussing the russia off from access to the swift money transfer system. his germany's finance minister, kristen linden me today. we're assess the economic consequences.
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we will have a discussion on how we can protect our people and our economies. there are of course, consequences out of the country sector, for example. but we are prepared. let's go through. this was the date of the sheet, political correspondent, melinda cray. welcome, belinda. so let's start with germany's opposition to cutting off access to swift on the face of it, cutting off anyone's money. sounds like a really effective way of dealing with him. so what's the german problem with this? precisely because it's so effective to ban russia from this international transfer payment system, it would have enormous repercussions on the other side of the equation. and by the way, not only here in germany, there have also been. also, there has been resistance from hungary because of its close ties to russia,
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but also cyprus and italy. and the reason for that is that all 3 germany cypress in italy, have a great deal of exposure. their banks have a great deal of debt in russia, and we're talking billions and they would have a very hard time getting that out if in fact, payments the ability to make a cross border payments was cut off. secondly, energy, many european union member states import gas from russia, but of course germany and italy lead the pack. and this would make that considerably more difficult because they would essentially have trouble paying for for the shipments. so that's why kristen lynn or talks there about the pain that would be felt in the u member states. but of course, sanctions always bite on both sides. and if they're serious about wanting to
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create a big bang for the russian economy, obviously swift would potentially do that. what we are hearing is that the e u is looking at now a 3rd package of sanctions. as you know, they just finished agreeing on a 2nd packages yesterday evening. that's where these countries tried to hold the swift option at bay, but were told that new a new package is in the works. that's according to the you council leadership, michelle, who said the next package will be harsher still. and we're also told that the member states have agreed to freeze the assets of both vladimir putin himself and his foreign minister. mister live off, and of course, on paper mister put in leads a very modest existence with an income of about $120000.00 a year and an apartment in a couple of cars. but it is widely known that he has
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a great deal more property than that, undoubtedly also in the you. although of course, it's hard to identify it, but undoubtedly, this measure would also exact a toll. and i've been looking at assessments here in germany that say germany could potentially wind up freezing. 25000000000 in assets and property, not just of laboratory and putting, but of wealthy russian citizens as well. and that's probably an under estimation. so that's the kind of figures we're talking about with these new sanctions. there'll be some pain, a quick word about what on the face of it would appear to be a good news. we have the president of ukraine asking to, to talk about mr. brewton, now saying, well, are ready, but clearly this is, this is, this is a negotiation from a, from completely different ends of the strengths scale. isn't this really very much
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one of those? i believe it when i see it. things are the fact that, yes, mr. lensky, the ukranian president, did in fact twice now proposed to president putin look. let's just sit down and talk and stop the bloodshed, but of course, the bloodshed is going on right now. while this new offer comes in from the kremlin, and the kremlin spokesman said today that mr. putin is now willing to sit down and talk. and that was confirmed by china, which said that they had also been told that russia's ready to talk. but there are a couple of reasons to be a little bit skeptical for, for a while, at least because number one, the russians want these talks to happen in bella, bruce. well, the reason for that is they say that there needs to be a secure place for these talks where security guarantees. but if you were mister zalinski, would you want to travel to bella? ruth, the very close ally of just to put in and apparently it zalinski himself said he
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would prefer poland, but that has not been resolved. and as we heard earlier from nick connelly, president putin has said he wants to de not suffice ukraine. and he said he has referred to the government of ukraine as illegitimate. so on what basis does he hold talks with president the lensky and what is the real aim of this meeting? mister putin has lied to on a dialogue partner after another 4 months, including the german chancellor, including french president, macro. he has tread tread tried roughshod over many diplomatic outstretched hands. so it's hard to understand why one would now take this offer at face value will stay with us. we're going to hear from the german president of frank valko stein minor, who's gonna record about this conflict? we'll hear from him and then we'll come back to you. shepalees and president put in,
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i call on president and routine to stop the madness of this war. now. isn't me, our thoughts and feelings are with the people of ukraine who are victims of this war. the up for this is craig, isn't for the people of russia to the actions of their president will haven't bitter consequences for the saga. i say to all of you, we don't want the russian people to be our enemies and folk. so unusual for german presenter to, to wade into a life political discussion. and was one of the things that germany finds itself at all with the rest of the world. this is the weight over the years, maintain quite a close relationship with russia, a close commercial relationship with russia, which is put it to adults with lots of its allies. is that likely to change under the current circumstances?
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there's a massive rethink going on in germany across the whole political spectrum. that wasn't the only unusual comment we heard today. the former chancellor angle america also weighed in and she had said she was going to be absolutely reticent and not not interfere in day to day politics. but this is not day to day politics. we're talking about here. this is a major wake up call for german policy makers for exactly the reason that you say they have maintained and not only recently but, but in many ways for decades. the stance that good curse, commercial relations in sure moderation ensure stability and almost a naive belief that if you're able to make contracts with people, they're not going to go to war against you. and i think, you know, it's interesting, the word naive has come up quite a bit. in the past week chance the schultz has said, for example, we need to try as much diplomacy as possible without being naive. while many
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critics, many observers would say that germans have been naive in believing that, that diplomacy alone, without deterrence and without hard realism, looking at a country like russia, led by a leader like mr. put in. it would be enough to ensure constructive relations. and i think certainly going forward, we will see changes in germany's defense posture, potentially, we're even now hearing discussion, a new discussion about whether germany, after all, should send deterrent weapons to ukraine. and of course, the big question is, could it even if they now decided to try that because in fact they've so underfunded, they are military for so long that there's not a lot of extra material to be to be exporting. but i think as i say, we will see a major rethink. ok, thank you for that. melinda adobe's, a chief,
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political correspondent. well, as the russian military besieged the ukrainian capital, moscow has said it will topple the ukrainian government in the matter of care for announced that the defense of the city has begun. thousands of civilians have fled, those who remain a brace for a violent confrontation. ah, another terrifying star to the day in keith. overnight, there was more destruction. bombs rained down, forcing residence to flee, to safety in bunkers, metro stations and sellers packed with residence, grappling to come to terms with their new reality. waiting. so a nearby house caught fire and there were many victims. and we were waiting until 7 o'clock in the morning in our apartment, in the corridor in the bathroom until the end of curfew,
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local and so that we could come here. i work here at the policy. should houston? oh, i feel mostly tired and anxious. my phone dealer. it was so strange. so none of the fields really? yeah. i don't even know how to relate to it. oh my god. on what we see above them. soldiers on the streets of central cave and reports of gunfire near the government district and on the edge of the capitol, an enemy aircraft, the ukrainian army claims they shot down. meanwhile, ukraine's president sent a message to russia. or he assailed law the bitter or alex if he is russia, we'll have to talk to a sooner or later. yes, you talk about how to end the fighting and stop this invasion that for the sooner the conversation begins with walla,
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the fewer losses. there will be for russia itself, there are there some way i see. but in moscow repeated unfounded claims from the kremlin suggest there's no end to russia's invasion in sight. the aim of the operation was openly declared demilitarization and d, nuts of vacation. but most of these we want the ukranian people or as president putin said, you can all the people living in modern ukraine to have the opportunity to freely determined their future. destiny was of boardman, but for most ukrainians, the only future they are contemplating now is whether to remain in their homeland or to flee. as get more from g w, correspond emily show in who's out here in berlin with me from moscow after russia withdrew her journalistic accreditation. oh, good to see her. emily, let's start with the, the calls for talks from both sides who is saying what was been a bit of a back and forth to day. and it almost seems at the moment that this is
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a bit of play acting from the kremlin, that we have to wait and see, of course. so lensky today said that he would be willing to talk about making ukraine a neutral country. surprisingly, to me, at least the kremlin spokesman then said that that idea would fit in with putin's idea of, you know, what they're calling demilitarization and d knots vacation and big quote marks and putting that they quote marks. and then you know, a bell roost leader said lucas anchor said, okay, well you can meet in minsk than ukraine said back. i came back and said they would actually rather me in warsaw. and then the kremlin spokesperson came back and said, well, now you've taken a bit too long to respond. so now relations between our 2 countries are paused. so you do get the sense in a way that and you've been getting that i think for several weeks now that the kremlin doesn't really recognize the government lensky government as legitimate at all. and in a way that fits in also what put in with what put has been saying about ukraine.
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he's been saying that he doesn't really even think it's a real country. so we'll have to wait and see whether there are talks. but it could be that this is all kind of smoke and mirrors just part part of the game every. what around the world is now sitting there, a child peer into uh, letting me put his head and asking themselves a question. well, what has emboldened him to do this? now? the problem is, of course, phil that i can't peer into his head either. we don't know. we know that of letting me put in has been thinking about ukraine for some time now. he wrote an, a big long article about ukraine back in july, end of last to year about how, you know, he doesn't think that the ukrainian people are a separate people from russians essentially. so essentially the same thing that we've been hearing from him this week as well about kind of not recognizing a case in the ukraine statehood. then we've also been hearing about nato expansion and how that against russia, security interests now for several months. and there's this real sense from
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vladimir putin that he's been wronged, that russia's been wronged for many, many years by the west and not taken seriously. that he's kind of here to wrong. some, i mean, to write some historical wrong to do historical justice to restore that almost on a masonic mission. and i do think also that the, there was a vote, you know, on constitutional changes back in 2020, which allow vladimir putin to stay in power and beyond his current term, which ends in 2024. and it seems almost as if he is doing something kind of outrageous now to release cement his power and perhaps we're going to seek some changes within the kremlin elite in the coming weeks as well. so the biggest response of the west is marketing at the moment is sanctions discussions of sanctions implementation of sanctions. russia, of course has been under sanction for years. you lived in moscow for years. have you seen him that time at any sign of functions having an effect on the people will
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force the ex pat community has been complaining for years that there is no french cheese and european cheese, but that, you know, jokes aside the, the, the russians have been saying for years that the narrative there is with the previous sanctions that, that will, that those only make rushes economy stronger and particularly agriculture sector and so on. now the narrative is that those sanctions, you know, we're used to the sanctions. we've been fate, we've been, you know, under sanctions for years and those sanctions will actually just make us stronger and they will actually be implemented no matter what we do. that's kind of the new line that no matter what happens, the west is just trying to keep russia down because we're too great a country for them to face when it comes to the actual economic situation. you know, real wages for people in russia has been falling for several years. and actually this week, you know, yesterday with this announcement of the war, essentially the invasion of ukraine,
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people that i know we're running to atm to take out dollars because the rubel was in free fall. so people are really concerned about about their livelihoods and, and the consequences not only have sanctions, but actually of this war as well. emily a stay with us, or what we're going to take a look at as an anti will some anti will process that are broken out in russia. and then we'll come back to you because people have been gathering outside russian embassies that to protest against russia's actions and to express their support for ukraine, but in russia itself, and taking part in public demonstrations can result in immediate detention. despite this anti war protesters in cities across the country have taken to the streets, risking arrest even prison time to show the world that russia is not united behind president putin. thousands came out across the country, chanting no to war. they were flaunting a ban on demonstrations. police arrested over 1700 people,
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half of them in the capital. moscow authorities warned they could be charged with a crime with i don't want russia to attack the crane like this. yeah, i had grandparents with anybody that would like, what happened is a shame, like many of us have relatives and friends for ukraine. and this is a betrayal of them with russian state, perhaps the most daring display of opposition, but not the only one. demonstrations of solidarity sprung up in cities around the world, times square and new york, a massive cranium flag, and thrill the brandenburg gate, and berlin was also visited by a crowd of ukraine's yellow and blue national colors. he had many of us thought it
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was impossible, but it happened. i woke up this morning and it brought me to tears about him or you shouldn't like leash. i think it's appalling because it's an illegal war of aggression in a house. it's important that there is peace in europe, and this is a worst case scenario. since of us, it's about the conduct a condemnation of prudence, war, and a message of solidarity with those in basements and bomb shelters across ukraine. so i did respond to emily sherman is still with me at emily. how significant is they opposition to this war with ukraine in russia? of course we don't, we don't know overall when it comes to numbers, i think it's probably fair to say that any surveys published now, you know, we should kind of cast a very critical eye on those. i would say that the fact that people came out to protest yesterday at all is significant because it's really difficult and dangerous
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to protest at the moment in the current atmosphere, which has been quite tense, i think for the last few weeks. but even for a long time, you know, at the beginning of 2021, there were these big protest after the rest of our position, politician alex in of i mean. and there was a huge crock down with, with a huge number of arrests. after that, you know, create a critical media outlets being closed and so on. so it really became almost impossible to voice any opposition to essentially anything going on in the last year or so. so even the fact that people took to the streets to oppose this war, i is significant and shows that people are willing to risk being arrested, just to show how unhappy they are with this. and it is extraordinary, every time you see putin or love roth talking about what's going on today. so about how they're going to do that si, fi, ukraine in how ukraine is the aggressive. how is this story being told in
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russia? well, i think this is, you know, this what you were just talking about this rhetoric about denazi's vacation. this, what we seen in the last week is this very strange jumble of the historical building blocks. almost, you know, we had put in talking about the communist times about how, letting your len in, you know, when he, after the october revolution in 1917, you know, sounded created ukraine. it didn't exist at all. there was that then he was talking about how it's full of nazis. so there's this rhetoric from the 2nd world war, which has become, you know, very significant bit of rhetoric, i think, in russia, in the last few years, it's known as the great, the great father land war in russia, and very significant, very emotional topic for people. so they're using that as well to, to kind of paint ukraine as the aggressor to paint ukraine as an enemy, despite the fact that actually many russians have relatives in ukraine, friends and relatives in ukraine. and the ties are very close. so. so kind of
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a strange jumble there that i think is worth talking about. ok, good. talking to you. thank you so much for that, emily assuring former date of moscow correspondence now just sort of hanging around the office. thank you, sir. welcome to the debate. we're taking a long, hard look at what's going on in ukraine. russian forces, pressing in the closer to the countries capital care of on day 2 of a full scale invasion. the mer says the city has entered a defensive phase and ukrainian military vehicles are entering the capital to protect it from a broaching true oh, a promising people to take shelter in metro stations in the course of classes in and around here. have to rush and bombarded the city with cranes government, at least $137.00 of its soldiers and civilians killed russian president vladimir
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putin. his claim he's willing to negotiate after you, cranes along the lines of race, the possibility of neutral status. you create conditions for such talks were not immediately clear where you situation on the ground is of course that changing rapidly and it's difficult to confirm. so let's get more from d. w reporter with blue cross than what we've been able to.

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