that gives the whole what the impression he goes, i and i, and an equal to, to the american president. and so this could be the last thing that could be offered to him, not now, not today or tomorrow, but maybe in the next weeks or to come what would have a what, what role are the americans playing at this point in time? terry? it's a little bit unclear to us from the, from the perspective of the european theater. i think i personally was watching yesterday after this renewed talk of nuclear options to see if if you would see president bite and come out and make it, make it some kind of address and, and he didn't. and so i think they did the, i mean, back in washington, they're very much watching every step and trying to calculate where they can best use their weight. i mean, remember this entire campaign, this build up, the americans surprised everyone with how transparent they were with their intelligence. not just to nato allies in closed session, but openly speaking from the white house podium about what they saw on the ground,

what they expected president putin might do. and when, and they got a lot of skepticism about that. in fact, they may not have had the dates exactly right, but what they warned about did come to pass. and when you talk to people at nato, behind the scenes, they are very appreciative. i mean, there was some skepticism about about us intelligence and this strategy of sort of telling everything that you know, but in the end, allies have been appreciative that they didn't feel like the americans were going this alone. and i think that's why you don't see a lot of unilateral american actions right now. but surely the people with all the intelligence on the ground and they and they're watching this minute by minute, they're making a plan. we just don't know what it is yet interested in making a plan, but we don't know what is the slight shift the focus from that come back to germany and talk about remarkable scenes yesterday. in boy, over the last 24 hours in the, in the german parliament and all the streets of the german capital mode. it was one

of the most symbol laden days i can think about for the last years. i mean, i attended this demonstration between the brom brigade and because of the victory it was huge, it was more than 100000 people and the parole paraded up towards the the sculptured army memorial in the, in the middle in the heart of berlin wheeler, the red, huge complex with 2 tanks that, that, that arrived in berlin on, on may 8th, on may 7th, i don't know. and, and, and the you'd read army soldier standing above that waving ukrainian flax. and this is, this was e sign of simple internet. you have the bundle, talk session. yeah. when we things happen that were unthinkable before. i mean the swift sanctions. the are a 100000000000 euros spending for defense and promising for spending like that more

than 2 percent of the 3 d. p in future for defense. and i forgot the and, and the weapons weapon delivery, which was a, to boot in german politics for the last centuries. okay. let's just listen to, i mean, the german leader. all i shall. so we're referring to here has in some quarters, have been accused of not appearing to be fully engaged in facing up to the challenge posed by vladimir putin. now, surely, given what melt has been saying, and what we're about to hear that can no longer quite apply. let's listen to all our shelton. his own words, 14 but analysis. imperial shootin wants to create a russian empire, and he wants to reconfigure europe according to his own ideas. and he does not hesitate to use military violence. what we see this to day in ukraine. so we must ask ourselves what capabilities putin's russia has. and what capabilities do we need to meet this threat to day and in the future?

later on in that so called emerson douglas mia? and that we must invest more in the security of our country to defend our freedom. and democracy says that if and from now on year for year, more than 2 percent of our g d. p will be invested in defense for most of the postwar period, germany has essentially been a, a pacifist country. there's been a very strong streak of, of pacifism in german politics the that has now apparently all changed virtually overnight. yes, and it's done by a coalition of social democrats and green party are, which are one of the most pacifists oriented thought of parties in germany. ah, so it might be the end of german passive is, i'm not quite sure about that, because pacifism means that you are unwilling to fight are germany doesn't fight. so we are still the spectators and,

and seeing this war. and i try to influence it with the swift decision and things like that. but are, but we're germans, be willing to fight for that. i have many doubts about terry add to the germany and germans have her there. there's been a revolution in how they perceive their own armed forces. this is a very remarkable event. and what does it mean now for germany and europe in the ukraine crisis in the ukraine conflict? yesterday, when that speech was on, i could do nothing but just sit and listen and wait for the nuggets to drop about how that would affect it. nato, germany and nato. you know what, what you call a pacifist country is often referred to as a free rider here at here in brussels, at nato. because germany, of course, benefits from the security of the alliance. but many people see it, see it as not having contributed everything. it could, and that did all change with this speech. i spoke with someone working in, in the defense establishment in berlin, who said that, you know,

up until now without this procurement decision announced yesterday, we would be able to, to know that we could by sort of one quarter of an airplane. we didn't know if we would get the funding after that to buy the rest of the plane. i mean, these things that don't sound that important perhaps to the public ears are really important for german defense. i mean the spending above 2 percent of g d, p, as nato has requested of all allies. that's massive. that of course has been something germany was absolutely lambasted for during the trump administration, but also in softer ways by other administrations. this is truly a sea change in germany's role in nato, and i think it's going to be welcomed very much by everyone there at nato headquarters, including the germans themselves. we're no longer going to be under the spotlight for financial reasons for him in for the municipal 14 after sun above his dramatic development, the spinning colder atoning of totality. here in germany. well, the world's dialogue was the amount of german 4 in politics for many weeks before

the russian invasion was like repeatedly mentioned in the stock fashion log dialog dialog with ross. and now we see you at 7 am on the grounds and all right, missouri announced yesterday in the german problem. it's a long term measures financing and military spending and delivering reference to the ukraine. but when you look on the ground floor typing right now and key for the key. and so what you're saying about 10 is certainly going to be very impressed by this development at this point to time. once again, processes itself to a p, r. it was with the since 2014, and since then, my vanity, but it's, and then you're creating the whole rhetoric of the russian government, the whole story called the russian state made it was a war rhetoric for many years right now. so lots, nothing to impress them and once again they have very clear military goal, something on concert in key of especially and then we see right now they're

going to achieve their goals. what do you think terry? your you, your so you, your, i can see you are, i'm busy once about that statement. yeah. to so being on exactly what you know, what you're, what you're thinking there. no, i think i think it's true. this isn't going to affect anything perhaps. so immediately on the ground, although certainly it will be welcomed that now germany will both directly send weapons to help you crane and allow other countries to do so. i mean, that can make an immediate difference. and it doesn't speak to whether ukraine has a possibility to actually win this militarily. but, you know, president putin had quite a bit of success in germany in dividing public opinion about about what the country should do. i mean, that's not even get into your heart schroeder's role there, but you know that there, there was, there is a division of opinion, but what a love schultz did yesterday was say, as

a country we are devoting ourselves to nato. we are devoting a lot more money to nato by far the largest economy in europe. if germany spends 2 percent of its g d, p on defense on its own military, that is a massive increase in capabilities available to nato. once again, is just another example of how if putin wanted a weaker nato, if put, put, wanted a nato that pulled away from his borders. remember that germany is there leading an enhanced forward presence in lithuania, he has achieved now with even more money behind it. a much stronger nato, we're running out of time to do the same time. ukraine is not the member of the nato saw that putting money to the nature is not especially a certain degree. so concerned made or the money and the reference. but we will not serve the credit and trusting. yes, but, but, but, but the german reaction to this image was demonstrated yesterday in the buddhist talk. i mean, make it almost impossible to spread this unity between the european union

and in between nato, because germany was always considered to be a weak link. i mean putin has a special linked germany. he was not educated but he worked and traced neza k g b officer and so on. he speaks german, so you always always try to pull away germany from the rest of europe and it's not as germany is the hungary, for example, as well. orland was a close, i would say almost trend of putin and he was joining the swift sanction as well. okay, i'm afraid that's what we're going to have to leave it. thank you very, very, very much for sharing your thoughts with me. i hope we've given our viewers plenty of food for thought about the latest developments in the crisis in ukraine. so thanks so much for joining us for now. bye bye. and just a with

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