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you magic discover the world around you. ah, subscriber to d. w documentary on youtube. here with us is frank schwaber. he is a member of the german parliament for the social democratic party, and mister sh babbitt, thank you very much for being with us today. we saw a momentous turning point in german foreign policy with planned increase in military spending and arms deliveries to ukraine. why did it take a war by russia for germany to make this move? but you know, we were on the, a lot of the initial prussia because a lot of interests,

including for sure your crane didn't understand why we are hesitating with this. but this was a lesson around from, from the 2nd world. what did we start was all over the world. and so it was really a very clear basis of the common basis for all parts in germany that we don't deliver weapons to, to other countries. we make less once an acceptance in the situation of isis and iraq and syria. and this is another one. and at the end to change our politics in germany, i totally, it's take some are some days, but at the end it was changed a lot. and our political approach and versus what we have to understand, but it's very clear we have to do everything to support ukraine to defend, not just ukraine but, but we're europe,

your party and some of its members have long been criticized for being too close to russia will this war be a turning point for your party as well, in terms of its ties to russia? you know, we are quite big party with a lot of different people inside than what you have to know that they are strong relationships and strong strong nomic relationships. as well as between parts of germany and parts of germany where we are in governance as a social democrats. and at the end it was okay. and it was quite okay. and we tried to do everything to build a kind of europe together. was russia. this was not wrong, but maybe in the snake, us and others of germany as well. it's not just the social democratic party, as well as the christian democratic party. there were some prime ministers in some parts of germany. we had to quite close relationship to them. the stuff put in yeah,

but it's very clear that we are very disappointed because we see what's going on our and we have to change our politics at the end. totally saying always that the draw is still open when the change in russia. and we hope we will see a change in russia than for sure we are able to to have a good relationship again. but under the circumstances is not possible. we have to isolate pulse, put in as much as possible. speaking of people in the social democratic party, gad square the former german chancellor for the social democrats who has been known to have close ties to russia. he is on the board of energy companies, ro sniffed and gas prom. so your party do more to distance itself from sure. the i think the chance of our party make it very clear that it's not acceptable in no way may be asked to say that i'm myself. i'm support. i've taken

a few of the men sponsor was gone prompted today and although economically it's very difficult for, for the football club, decides to to stop this kind of relationship totally and forget where it is not even very important isn't quite a man and you don't need the money he's just, i don't know how to describe it and it's shameful for our party, but he is no more in charge. he is no more responsible for our politics. all those one who are responsible starting from the chancellor to all the, the prime ministers in the federal states of germany and the in the, in the country are make it very clear while we are and we stop everything. what we can stop was the russian economy, and we tried to really do everything to limit put in and others as much as possible . speaking of the council of europe,

you have called for russia to be banned from the organization, which isn't organization protecting human rights made up of $47.00 countries. and you have called for this strongly or in earlier. why was it important for you to take this step? we had a long debate and the lasts. yes. about the participation of russia in the organization. because what you have to know if we exclude russia like we do it now, we have one more than 140000000 people in, in russia who are no more under the protection of the european convention on human rights. they could go til now to the european court of human rights. and this is important because put in is an adjustment aggress are to do to the world and to ukraine. use an aggressive was on people in his own country. and because of this, we tried to build bridges and we were open. it was a hot discussion and i myself was very much criticized in ukraine. i fully

understand it. and we tried to build as britches. and now it's very clear that it's no bridge, nothing. we have to isolate, put in, and those one were around him, and this is what we, what we have to do, and we did it very fast. and this was unity altogether. and this was very strong and important signal to the government in russia. but russia was not banned from the organisation, but suspended from it as a member. was that a disappointment for you? did you think it should have gone further? know this already is and sometimes not easy to explain how international organizations walk just the procedural question. and the 1st step is, was just possible to suspend and we did it very, very fast in organizational works. very slow. usually, sometimes for good reasons that you don't take decisions too fast, but we spent russia. but in a, in a few days,

i would say we are procedurally prepared to, to, to ben rush. i totally, how can it be guaranteed that a people in russia don't suffer because of this decision? unfortunately, we cannot guarantee it, although there are some routes that even when we suspend or been russia for some time, the judgement of the cards are valid and they should fulfill their obligations. but the problem is to be honest, they don't do it now. i myself, i'm the repertoire for the planetary assembly for the north caucasus region. so she had jania, including engine. you see now the picture us, what kind of people, the center ukraine, to kill people that and to be honest, do it. and they did it in their own country, they do it in, in chechnya. and in the last minute we see the posing of alex and me and the

judgment a lot of judgments from the court and they are not willing to fulfill that. just play with it and at the end it's very sad that we take away this syringe, protection for the, the rations under the roof of the european convention on human rights. but in practice it was not really in place. it was no more really a security for those people. so at the end there was no other chance to throw them out of the are going to with consequences. but again, we are open to invite them to come back, but for sure never again was putting. we face the prospect of a new humanitarian crisis in ukraine. millions of refugees are expected to flee the country and come to europe. europe in the past has had difficulty finding agreement on migration and refugee policy. it seems now to be united and welcoming all people

fleeing ukraine. but do you think it will last so usually in another situation, i would maybe criticize time crunches. those one were, are now open for refugees and be further back close, because it has a reason what kind of refugee it is. it seems like this, but however, we have to do everything now to help the people. and if you will believe to the un number us expected number us, we speak about millions of refugees and we have to do everything to prepare to, to help them. what i have to remind some countries is that we cannot make a difference. now between those who are recreating and citizens are just left and in ukraine. so i saw pictures from people from india, from african countries who could not really easily leave the country. and this is not in no way acceptable. so we have to do everything to make sure that everybody

will, is in this kind of danger in ukraine, is able to leave the country as soon as possible and can have a quite, quite good situation in some, some number of countries of the you. although i know nobody would like to leave the country and i hope it will not be for very long time. when people fled the war in syria, germany had initially kept its borders open to syrians coming in. but then came a point when borders were closed. well, we see this happen again with ukraine is even after the promises to let everybody in, you know, at the end, germany never really of the board us but to be honest we lead to attempt on that other countries still there bought us. and so as you. ready know we have your roots that you don't need a visa coming from from ukraine. so anyhow, you could go to

a new country and you can go to germany and i think we would change our law now because usually you just can stay. that was for us 3 months without these are, but we already decided that this is not necessary. so it's very clear. germany is open for each and everyone from ukraine would like to feed the country and for sure we work together with other countries watermark close. now and we'll have more responsibility for sure in the situation. we have to go to support paula and we have to support romania and other countries, but isn't very clear for me wherever leaves ukraine now that will have a safe harbor in europe. what kind of help should countries like germany humanitarian help, should they be ready to provide for people fleeing ukraine or people stuck their we have to do both. we have to organize humanitarian aid and we are organizing the

people the people need some kind of medical kit, some kind of see genic kids it's very cause followed up people. we need to provide them with something to cover themselves. this is what we have to do in the ukraine trying to deliver and the same time we have to prepare everything for the situation when people are coming. i think the last solution always. ready is to, let's say, stay in the kind of tent system, although we learned a lot in the syrian refugee crisis, how to provide people with some good situations intensive as well. but what we try now is drug nice kind of private solutions, as you, as you may know, we have 300000 ukrainians, germany and they are trying to, to help a lot and we have others in my constituency. i can just say that

a lot of people ask me already, what they can do is they are prepared to give the kinds of security and the kinds of housing to through ukraine, refugees. and we are already discussing. we may ask in my, in my constituency, how we can organize it and how we can show the necessary explanations on shabba, member of the german parliament for the social democrats. thank you very much for your time. the. ah, i think everything chinese 1st and big so much different culture between here and there. so jelly, ah, some business,

i think it was worth it for me to come to germany. shop my got my license to work is this where my instructor chanel are teach children? don't worry. what's your story? take part. share it on info, migrant. dot net ah. civilians who have never touched a gun are taking up arms to defend their homelands. more than half a 1000000 others have fled ukraine following vladimir putin's unprovoked assault on his peaceful and sovereign neighbor in russia, financial carnage as the rubel tanks. thanks to unprecedented international sanctions. and the un secretary general warns nothing would justify the use of nuclear weapons. as russia puts its nuclear forces on high alert. i'm clear richardson in berlin and this is the day

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