everywhere who see that the dependency on ration fossil fuels is one of the, of the, of many things that make protein so powerful right now. and this isn't anything of this, this understanding of, of the roots of proteins. power hasn't to do anything with the concrete action that needs to be taken. now, li, ukrainian authority, right now, they need support from all over europe. they need what is needed to protect them. and that is very clear. yet we're looking at the bigger picture we, he's important to, to be honest about who is financing part of the text. and that is germany, for instance, you know, who is, you know, getting half of its energy from putin. we've heard germany's finance minister, chris john linna, who was not necessarily one of fridays for future. as best pals say that renewable energy is the energy of freedom. do you think germany's government share your

assessments in terms of the need to push for renewable energy? know well if they don't, you know, get it now that renewable andries and just the greenest and cheapest kinds of entities. but also the peaceful energy that we have. i wouldn't know what your wait for. i mean, open your eyes, it's out there and it's, it's those was a few import that. yeah, that the power who in that finance those rules and it's too hard to understand that democracy is, can be truly free. that can be truly sovereign and have as long as the energy supply depend on autocrat next door. that has, you know, obvious tendencies to start was we have a stark energy crisis on the horizon. you call for massively building renewable energies. but now in germany, even green members of the government are thinking of pushing back the phase out of nuclear and coal. it doesn't seem like renewable energies are a viable solution,

at least in the short term energy experts tell different story. and i think in this bond is important to differentiate between responses to a war and transformative action that needs to be taken in our to get independent from fossil fuels, from cruising and others. and we're seeing very clearly that studies very strong. sorry about how of coolest we can get 100 percent renewable. and yet in the medium term and how everything that we're doing now in terms of energy action, need to have a chance with character. this is not the time to play games, and this is not the time to do some kind of symbolic gestures that higher and fuel conflict like this. and of course, at the same time, and i think it's important to, to challenge as much as possible. ukraine needs support and that is not just a question of diplomacy. that's the question for their

t. p. 's actions of support that is needed. germany and other countries in europe are, however, going to have to likely bridge the decreasing amount of gas and oil, or the more expensive gas and oil coming into the countries. and it takes time to build a big amount of renewable energy sources. is it acceptable then to accept a pushback of call or even nuclear, at least in germany, where no course not. we have a broader government in a very, very tricky situation where we highly depend on the field from autocrat like hootin . and that has a cost and the on to that of course, can be an increasing dependency on fossil fuels, but needs to be, you know, and the independence. and that is what we get the most democratic, the most peaceful, the green is the cheapest, the most protected kind of energy so that we have renewables. and that is the costs

attached to that. but cost is attached to everything. and the question as to back costs and how do we handle it in a just way. and that's of course, where the government is asked to, to make sure that those who can't afford it get access to, to clean and cheap energy as quickly as possible. but that can never be an excuse to delay any kind of action in the same time. the spoken a very strong language yesterday. again, the climate crisis is escalating, and this is not the time to not play out the crises against the other, but you connect the dots and see the big picture here. what do you think of the german government's commitment to massively invest in the military with a bill of up to 100000000000 euros? i'm a climate activist. i have no intention of getting involved in the military or geo politics. discourse that we have in germany or for seeing is that, you know,

many expert. i wondered where exactly with money as opposed to go. and when we will be at the point where the government makes this money all phrases, money for things that are actually transformative, that actually contribute to a more safe and more just and yet more sustainable society you and fridays for future want germany to become climate neutral by 2035, do you think that is an achievable goal, especially in light of the war and ukraine and what that means for the energy market? well, when we're reading the demands and just writing random wishlist wish said we, you know, that we just come up with, i'm enough to know which attracts, but we see what is possible if you really want, if you provide the political vill, if you, if you organize people around it shrink from ation towards climate justice and what's possible, of course we can be renewable by 2035 and just yesterday the government kind of

hinted that the actually planning to transform some part of the energy sector to an extent that that pod will be 100 percent for new bud. bye 20. 35. we see again and again and again. we don't have a lack of technical possibilities. we don't have a lack of knowledge. we have a lack of political will and of, and then open understanding what the crises about. and so yes, we can get there and this was the situation, but now it has opened many drawers. we can backlash and you know, 20 years back, you know, repeating all that a mistake that was that were made before. we can jump 10 years ahead and say we're stopping these crisis. we start accelerating them. we actually build those pace and peaceful democracy, said that independent from fossil fuels that provide real freedom for the people everywhere. talking about the i p c. c. it's latest report on how climate change

impacts the world was just released. what do you think of its findings? well, it's checking again and again and again. yet, most of the things in the site, this is the report where clear a long time ago. these were the things that my grandma, when you know on the streets about and i think when you stop, you know, treating those i receive reports as a breakthrough report. the tell us about a new world when we, if the knowing and ignoring all that for decades. and for think, you know, if anything, it's time now to connect. yeah. to connect the dots and to understand the equity c tell does everything we need to know to, to radically act and the war, finance and funded by a fossil fuel system is telling us about the conflict, the war dimension behind fossil fuels. and i wouldn't know what would stop us now from, from acting as needed. but a climate change is a go global problem. how can it be fought globally?

is such a powerful energy player like russia, is now basically considered a pariah state. how can one push climate change forward as a global problem when some countries may be, have to be shut out of dialogue just from now, i'm less worried about, you know, the energy interest in russia, which is a whole different story. i'm worried about those, you know, liberal democracies around the world that claim to have understood that we end on prices and still invest in fossil fuels. still found those product putting still, you know, these tend and energy dependency on the fossil fuels and those inputs. i'm worried about that. where are they right now and why, you know, finger pointing is anyone out those countries forget that, that being the excuse for everyone else, right now, those accounts are germany, the counselor, many other big industrial player in this they would have, they would get started if they would that change the pad and that we are in that they sort of being lead a role model and this, it would be

a complete different story and it's asked who need to look at them right now. and of course, and i think that's an important elementary. seeing right now, we need to discuss energy partnerships. we need to discuss how richer industrialized countries can help us to get away from fossil fuels as soon as possible. we need an energy diploma that's taking place, but that is focus on what is needed on the timeline that we had on the few years said we have left to get things started. do you have any current concrete proposals on that front? what liberal democracies and rich countries should do to help the others go along. i think we need governments to become clear and be honest about not only the energy infrastructure that they build themselves, but also the energy infrastructure that they found themselves. we see huge tendency towards, you know, big industrialized camps on the globe or north to,

to be all cheery about climate action to praise their own targets as much as possible was funding financing and ensuring fossil fuel development and fossil fuel infrastructure. and the goal, the south, that's not how it can work out. so we need on us to hear a transparency here, and we need governments to be called out if necessary, in the whole attempt to brainwash themselves to some climate change heroes. while honestly the facts speak a different language while emissions arriving, do you think we are now at a turning point that the situation does present? a turning point for a people is in government perceptions of the climate crisis and how to tackle it. i don't know about that, but i know that people right now has the power to kill side for justice and peace and climate justice. and all of that has never been as intertwined as independent as just today with seeing that there is no requirement justice without peace and no piece with our requirement justice and independence from fossil fuels

as all out there. and if we want to, we can make this a turning point. do you think though that people, especially in europe, will understand this and will care about climate change in the face of the threat of war looming. so close? yeah, again, i think it's in our hand, this is not about, you know, claiming one crisis pre edge with the effort, but about connecting the dots and understanding what other causes of the fossil fuel conflict and was with seeing, not just in the ukraine, but all over the world that is not a new story, it's been out there and widely ignored, especially by western media society when we are, you know, bold about this and, and yet again, we are, we are able to, to connect the dots and to, to look at 10 formative solutions while supporting in the immediate situation. but again, we're seeing that also governments and societies have

a tendency to ignore what's right in front of the standard. sorry about climate crisis for the past decade. so we need to understand that we needed and that we and our understanding of the crisis and experience of people power and needed to make those changes and to fight for those changes. need it. reason, know, bower. thank you very much for your time. thank you. ah ah ah ah ah ah, thank

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