[000:00:00;00] ah, ah ah, this is dw news lie from berlin, ukrainian president vladimir salon. he is set to address the german parliament from a day after addressing us lawmakers, he's expected to call for more support from germany. chance what we'll actually send out to continue supply arms to ukraine as remains under attack from russia. ah,

i'm see me so much, gunnar. thanks for joining us. ukrainian president followed mister lansky is about to address the german parliament, the bond, a stock via video link from the ukrainian capital t f. it is the 1st time that he is directly addressing german lawmakers. let's take a look at some live pictures. now, here from the bonus, thought that you're seeing as they're awaiting that video link to be up and running with loading lensky. now, this follows a series of appeals. he's made to international leaders to support ukraine against russia's invasion, including a speech to the u. s. congress yesterday while we're waiting for that speech to begin, we have a full team coverage with us here in our studio or chief international editor, richard walker. and in the burden of 5 for us, we have michelle christner, our chief political editor. good to have you both, michelle. i want to start with you as so we're looking just to see window, voters, soleski start speaking the german government and lawmakers. i imagine that they are

really eagerly awaiting the speech. yes, absolutely i'm. and what they're expecting is to hear an emotional appeal, as they've heard many times before. and germany has been eager to stress that financially it is the biggest supporter of ukraine, m. p. 's here have increasing. the felt also touched by voted me as a lensky who really gained in profile and becoming a true leader of his nation throughout these past couple of weeks. and notably, both sides appear to have become more realistic in their expectations of each other with ukraine. still expecting nato, expecting germany to deliver more weapons. yes, to deliver also more money to both and the economy under attack. but at the same time, there is no longer an expectation of a timeline towards nato, which clearly is off the table also in kia right now. but do you think there might

also be some trepidation on the part of german lawmakers that germany has faced criticism for not doing more. absolutely, and skinny, the ukrainian ambassador here, and keeps calling on germany to simply do more. ideally, they would want to see fighters at something that poland, for instance, has offered but only, and this is that been stress time and time again of by a present more viet sky at prem. instead there that it would only be under the umbrella of nato. and the united states, so even those countries who would like to deliver much more directly and being cautious when it comes to having direct contact to it eventually potentially being seen as working together with the ukrainian military. and this is a red line also for germany also for the united states where germany of remains very firm indeed that that contact must not take place. there must not be any kind of a claim be made by moscow that

a nato country of would take part in that war. and this is where germany still stands very firmly having. and i must remind a soul because a week feels like a year at this point in time. and after it took a german chance that would have so it's in only 48 hours after the russian attack to move from no, we will not deliver any weapons to declaring that those 1st deliveries surface to air rocket propelled grenades would be sent. we've just been looking at pictures here from the boat as i live and seen all our shots sticking there to the head of his party. we also saw the foreign minister anna, lena burbock. just now richard, coming to you now. this addressed to the german pearlman. it comes just a day after volota, mister lansky addressed the u. s. congress. what did you make of that speech? yeah, it was, it was extraordinary. this is just the latest it in the series of these kinds of addresses that lends he has been doing to a national parliaments in various key countries. he's also spoken to the british parliament, a canadian parliament. and of course, the u. s. congress being the most important audience,

really of all for him. and i think what comes across the side for many of the specific messages is just what a good communicator here to plus that right there. yeah, we're, we're just listening to the one of the vice president of the bonus like that, catherine going ahead of the green party. we should note that the president of the one is like their boss is ill at the moment. we are just gonna look at his pictures as she's a introducing volota, mister lensky. but richard to continue. yeah, i mean, and yeah, a. so if he had a tailored message, really for his audience invoking. yeah. how harbor 911. okay. we did. there is dea ukrainian ambassador to germany and in mil, extending and i think that video link richard, sorry to cut you off. i do see it's up now. we see zalinski there on the video,

getting an innovation this isn't any, and i don't see her question badden after it had been a big lucy on fun. had some butch, after, and dramatic, should see a noise by the yard and is taken the tim, the don boss wasn't at the time when i asked her to put talent with off. you got, you know, before i had off the dom clotty, just a light, doesn't all smart. you're here. i can set dr off and i think you mentioned your intimate alan session vito's catalog going eco,

they're taking and she's talking she introduced 1st of all the present bill of them is the landscape and welcomed again. the ukrainian bassett, or andre melnick. she is now speaking here about what has been witness these 1st few weeks with the really the, the 1 o'clock, a photo home i wasn't gonna buy for them and i think and we did what we just saw there, the standing ovation was absolute, reminiscent of what we saw in the u. s. congress yesterday of the same warmth of reception. and, and one of the things that really struck me yesterday when nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house introduce floating mr. lensky, was, which he did. she did so with the chrysler van craney, glory to ukraine, start taking on one of the slogan so the ukrainians themselves have, have had in this war that the rallying cries that lensky has a taking on herself. so i think that kind of shows the kind of the power of the

communication zalinski has achieved. so i'm really curious to see what he says in this speech now. and what we saw in his speech to congress yesterday was his ability to make a connection with that audience. talking about things like po harbor talking about 911. saying, remember the morning of pearl harbor when your sky was black from the plains, attacking you and trying to draw a visceral connection between the people there and what's happening in ukraine now? so i think it will be very interesting to see what kind of a message that he has that chimed in with germany's only experience with germany's historical experience even invoke martin luther king saying i have a dream in english or in that speech and you're right, richard you that really has become such an important communicator to parliament around the world. you mentioned the canadian parliament as well to the canadian parliament. what is his main message been asking for more help?

asking for a new fly. so yeah, so what he's had a kind of a combination of messages, the emotional message to try to, to try to really is embed in the hearts of these lawmakers, these influential people in these countries. an identification with what is happening in ukraine. but also he has concrete request. as you mentioned, he did that one of the message has been closed. this guy's of ukraine tried to prevent russia from being able to to bombard ukrainian cities in the way that they have been doing. and so the ukraine to be requesting the nature in force a so called a no fly zone of ukraine. but nato has absolutely bolted this because of course, enforcing any kind of no fly zone would mean that nato aircraft would have to potentially engage with russian aircraft over that sky. and as we just heard from

the shayla, nato is absolutely determined that this war, that russia is inflicting on ukraine, should not become a war between russia nature. because that has the potential for nuclear escalation that could become something absolutely even more devastating to what we're seeing now. what was quite interesting to see is that the lens, these communications does have an impact not getting everything he wants to do just at hours later. joe biden announced further $800000000.00 worth of military aid for ukraine, including some pretty significant things. 800 stinger missiles. these are a portable missile systems, the kinds of systems that can have a real impact on the battlefield. and also interestingly, as far as we know for the 1st time i'm providing some drones will specifically what are called loitering munitions. i thought these are

a self flying aircraft, unmanned aircraft, which destroy targets by flying into them. so we're hearing that they've provided a number of switch blade drones, they called. so this is an interesting for the staff. and that's the largest individual package of military aid so far isn't and so all are sold just last night. there's a press conference where i was asking him about this new package and your age. he confirmed that germany would continue providing military support to ukraine and that it made its decision and that it will continue doing that. so be interesting to say, see whether there are any further announcements from the signal from germany has been a bit more. they don't want to talk too much in specific about what they do. and so, and he does not have the word left within him is thank you madam president, we had to have one discuss slash,

a dominant, an update on a lonely makes little liberty about the wasp is lacking with the updated german wagner more supplement. loosening ricky lee more gray is there was little given the following, the upwardly 8 years of the war on the east of my country. don bass, i'm addressing yours when russia is shelling our sitters will gray pruning as showing everything. what i will we have into crane wonderful buildings, hospitals, schools, churches, sir. they will sing miss silas, airy bar and sir rector of that artillery in miss south's. over the last 3 weeks, it has been a huge loss of human life. we're talking about thought of thousands of ukrainians

108 children. it are little them in the middle of you are here and the 21st century. yes, i am addressing to you she following the number over negotiations, meeting center that was for support. the let some of which some of those requests in too late following the sanctions words do not seem to be sufficient in order to bring the award to an end. and having seen lucille as i see a good have so much come next. and sir, surely your economy has been losing with russia in order to stop the funding of the war. i feel grateful, and at the same time, shortly, we can not in your feeling, it was not all over. you all are notice sing and again is similar to be. let

us was that. have you checked sig, behind the only wall is in a we are talking about this concerning trend, not with every new bomb might. might that or the middle falling on our earth, your, our ukraine pulling with you cannot said bag without supporting when did it happen in terms of these events, sir distinguished her already latisha and jam termination book. and i'm addressing to you. we have been telling you that some large scale preparations, sir, were taking place for a large scale war. and with the one of us we had in asking them, what do you crane had to do in order to julian,

john nato. and every time we kept hearing, and my mom and the and shag low, and the sir is point in time to see that we were able to, we have been told that was impossible with great. now ukraine succession to the p in union is another issue to discuss. i understand to what extent this says politics like the same time. this is a corner stone and building block for a new wall. we have been asking euro to impose preventive sections, would have been asking you ladies and gentlemen of the terminal, shoot shortly. hello, don't discard the job and we failed her. all those delays like we are money, so you're locked and to impose sanctions. we understood that we could see your mom

made the willingness to continue doing business with roger. now all of us on the, we're in the middle of this crow more. and again, this is something that she will fail to see. and i tell you, issued a check to you, so it's behind a wall that does not make it possible for you to see what we are going through. i am addressing you on the name of ukraine when the sir? yes. oh yes. the book club and he pulls russian troops are locking with them. yes. yes. yes. so do you think the thousands of the men and women and children are being attacked? 247, deprived of water electric power of connections

and russian troves not distinguished they. pain civilians and military they use anything as a target you don't think 400000 would actually be jack's where the yes and a including candid gardens and hospitals and school this is not about the military objects. tunnel is also no home and tray in load is allowed by not saying go, it was selling his ever stopped another to lead him an attorney and was a reach. already civilians show people in the mean more of the book

never got us much more in common that you've been job but you know the problem, the problem you could shop online. yeah. the more judge wouldn't give it to me for the fishing, but kept hoping to get to the boston office if you think about it, nor would check in until the new school isn't all. take, take

a box. you just if you don't want to give them access to that are in it and a list to public school bus via jo. yesterday. it was even a misty break. he just brought it in to you. wow. if we, well, it is mostly with a given, brought under the lunch with what angel is not a dog or, and we are having a little bit of trouble there with our translation. we apologize for that. we're going to try to get that up and running as president zalinski is. of course, still speaking, richard. let's talk 1st of all about what we've heard so far because he did find a quite interesting what president lensky was saying about germany protecting itself 1st still behind

a wall here is so i think if we can compare what we've heard so far, and of course it's very disappointed, we've lost the translation, we'll, we'll see if we can get that back to that speeches as quickly as we possibly can. but yet the tone so far has been quite critical of pointing out, for example, the sanctions that are in place have not been enough to end the war. to hear about b, ukraine's long running desire to join nature that we kept telling you that we wanted to join nato. we kept asking to do that, and we kept hearing no answer. this, this sort of feeling which i think we've heard also from flooding. mr. lensky before that ukraine has been strung along by nato. the what ukraine interpreted just a promise back in 2008 that it could join. nato has never really got anywhere and

are saying that he has the sense that germany is failing to see that people are failing to see what ukraine is going through now as well. so i think it is quite a strong message which chimes in with some of the messaging we have been hearing from him. it hasn't just been open arms outreach. there's been a kind of a really, a strong med siege of step up and support us that we are the front line now of a war against a major aggressive that is also potentially a threat to, to em, into the rest of europe and to nato. and that it needs all of the support that they can possibly get. okay, i'm just hearing that our translation is back up and running. apologies again for that. let's see if we can listen back in to president zalinski. they're jealous of each other. okay. there are years following in was destroyed. so me churning of don barzyk in the saddle for the 2nd time following play to years of,

to the so for got on the 2nd world war where the 2000 are millions of people, we're sure tortured all of a sudden the, we're in the middle of our know war with great with this below looks like still even you not a girl was redeem and her following updates here is not good. looks like europe, her hiding behind a new wall that is built. oh wow. so not rosie. you look, let me remind you of actually in europe is not going to survive. well, he's not going to keep its value a former then community legislative american or a don't president of the yes wrong once said in julian. mister, president, tear down the hood was now let me tell you, leon,

chancellor. chance please that break down the swan. yep. okay, germinate the role of leadership but you deserve good. and if your future generations will be proud of his supporters or support these for the support agent, every ukrainian albany stock,

much more help us help us top of our glory to your grain. it. ok, that was the ukrainian president, the letter mr. lansky addressing the german one to start there. and richard, we had the opportunity just as we were having those translation issues to speak a little bit in between. and about what we heard there from presidency, but towards the end, a real appeal to germany that he gave their end to chance or show some self. yeah, it couldn't have been more direct, could it? so this is, as he did in his speech, to congress, picking up on a direct historical reference to 2 events here in berlin. referring back to ronald reagan, a u. s. president's famous speech in the divided berlin

towards the end of the cold war. when he stood near the berlin wall is still stood and said, mister gorbachev a tear down this wall. and then it was lensky directly addressing all our shots. let me say to all our shots, tear down this new war. so this was a theme that zalinski had in his speech, that there is a new war in europe, suggesting that this is a wall that ukraine is on the wrong side of the day, is essentially the in group of nato. and this ukraine on the outside, vulnerable to these attacks from russia, vulnerable to this war, from russia and bit saying to all i've sold directly show leadership calling on germany to show the kind of leadership that i think not just lensky, but also many other countries on the outside c as befitting germany, the huge economic power that it is that it has in recent decades not showing the

kind of foreign policy and strategic leadership that some countries are hoping for. and it was interesting to watch all of shows to immediately after is that the camera was on him. and of course him clapping to this message, which was a message to him, essentially saying, do more than you been doing so that i think that was a very interesting moment. what do you think the media ask was there of all that shot? and the german government, well, i mean, there are various different asks i think the we can see coming towards germany, but also europe and the west more broadly. zalinski referred to membership. so it seems the ukraine is a pretty much this is been messaging from zelinski recently they've given up on nature. they realize it's not going to happen. they have to be realistic about that . and this is even potentially forming the basis of a part of the negotiations that are ongoing between the ukrainians and the russians about a potential enter this war. so giving up on nature, but ukraine still wants to join the european union for many countries,

including germany have been very non committal about that. very hesitant about that . talking about yes, we see ukraine is part of the european family. we want to support european aspirations, but there's a very vague i think the lens in the training will know that will it is the same kind of stringing along that they felt that they had for years from now. i think that's part of the messages we want to be the get into that you, we want you to take that seriously other messages into more military support as we were talking about earlier, they want to see a no fly zone implemented. that's unlikely to happen. but there could be more military support coming from the germans and we just don't have so saying yesterday that he will continue with military support sanctions, tougher sanctions. as an entity said near the beginning of the speech, the sanctions have not stopped the war. what will be next step sanctions for the big kind of area that's been left out from the sanctions in terms of europe is energy. oil and natural gas because it's

a very high energy prices at the moment. russia is getting huge payday from the current tension to the market and from this from the invasion essentially is driven up energy prices. so they getting a huge amount more money for the same quantities of fossil fuel to this that they're selling at the general government is been saying so far, germany is in no place to cut off russian oil and gas. it needs it too much. but the political pressure for that could mount. let's just jump over to me. sure. elena, our chief political editor because she was in the plenary there listening to that speech from blood m, as the landscape just dashed down, now to speak with us again, bitter ala. what was your impression? we're just talking here with richard about the fact that present, unless he wasn't even really critical of germany, that speed. what was your impression of how that went down there? well, let me lensky, it all the political hearts already with him. but quite clearly,

his criticism is leadership failure by it will have but also by germany. and this is also criticism, not least of former towns. i'm going to michael and because he said, look, we won't you that these nor stream direct gas pipelines between russia and germany that they are preparation for. you kept telling us that this is purely economic you . that is also don't touch on the macro. who took years to come round at to her own recognition that it did have indeed a political aspect to it now. and one school shorts took over which is exactly 100 days ago. today. he again started saying this is an economic project and then came round very late to the fact that indeed it was also political. and in fact, strategically important. and now he faces the accusation of germany, not taking enough of a leadership role. clearly, volume is lensky has moved away from nato membership, but he insists even more that he needs

a european union prospect. and clearly he takes the expectation here that germany would back that which frankly is not going to happen any time soon. so his historical analysis is this is a new will being built in the united states. he says it's closer to ukraine than germany or europe. and michelle, that last question we were just talking with richard here about some of the asks that president lansky is making to germany and indeed to europe. at this point. you mentioned of course e u membership, you're saying that that doesn't look likely from the german perspective. what about some of these other asks, for example, cutting off russian oil and gas. well, this is a red line that interestingly also opponents of the pipeline. the green said the them ministers don't want to cross at this moment in time. am stopping those gas deliveries and there are 2 very different viewpoints here and actually depends on which as expert you ask whether germany is able to do this or not