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in northern syria insights into the isolated world of radical islamists, him about family, faith, masculinity of fathers and sons starts april 16th on d. w. day after day, the ukrainian court of mary you, paul, has withstood rushes relentless onslaught and refused to surrender. for the city is all but destroyed. many have let supplies of basic goods running out fast. is this how russia plans to strangle other cities across you trade? my guess this week is mark can move keep sky advisor to the countries minister of defense. how long can this all go on till the last ukrainian will be killed? and this is not only nice words. so the moral in the spirit of ukrainians either is
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very high as the fighting intensifies, we look at the narrow path to a peace accord and the prospect that ukraine faces years of stalemate. what motivates people in during such diet conditions? and while they give their life and their future for their country, did they feel that their allies, who promised so much that given enough bath and much more on conflict with marty and look, give welcome to conflict zone. thank you for having me with you. as russia step submits, attacks of fighting words from your president, ukraine, he said will never bow to russian automate hymns. and he may clear that be no
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compromises on territorial integrity or sovereignty. but he wants to talk to mister putin. is there anything to suggest that russia wants to talk constructively to him? i think it's him. look, this initial was right, a couple of times, but present been lensky. and yet he is ready to speak. so rather than put him to discuss issues including military humanitarian, political, but we still did not get any, any reply from the russian side that the russian side is ready to discuss. that. let me remind you 11 very interesting thing for me. you remember recently were negotiations between minister appointment press of ukraine medical lever and his counterpart minister law group. and then after that negotiations there was
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a statement made by law. he said that russia will never attack any european or other country. and doctor that ended in the russian never that ukraine. so even if you got a deal, you wouldn't trust it. is that what you're saying? you need to have very strong guarantees provided not only by russia, but also by such countries as the united states, united kingdom, g 7, european countries. you and probably our neighbors. you had those guarantees or some of those guarantees with the budapest memorandum going back to 1994. guaranteeing your security in return for you giving up your nuclear weapons. that didn't work so well, then did it what makes you think it will work better? now? we need to establish new system of security. you're absolutely right saying that
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you the person in random error. and now we need to include all parties and to define such guarantees which should be really workable for everybody. not only for your grain, because in the circumstances, and nobody can be safe look and to they put in effect, you crane. why to morrow you wouldn't detect bohlin or lithuania sonia lamphier. nobody can be sure i know. a week ago, your president stopped negotiator me carlo. padaya went so far as to say, the russian position had softened significantly. we have much confidence. he said, that will have a cease far in the coming days. what happened to that confidence? i think that there are 2 reasons, so i cannot disclose the method of negotiations. i not the part of negotiating team, but there are 2 main reasons why position or approach of russian federation
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became much more soft. the 1st of all, the losses of russia, ukraine. tremendous they, there are russians lost already 15000, their soldiers here. and the 2nd thing that the sanctions are working. so it these to read the base or, or the met, the white russians are ready to speak, to speak in a much more. so the way, but there are some suggestion in the western russia sees negotiations, not as a way to end conflict, but as part of that conflict because one diplomat said, just a way of dialing up and dialing down the tempo to suit rushes needs. what do you think? we don't, we don't want to to face for the pros and conflict. you are absolutely right. i agree with you. so, and this is the strategy of russia. russian made a couple of frozen conflicts on the terrace. soviet union by john ga
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mo, door. so and probably if they will not cease in the coming days and they will not, they will try. they will try the pros and cons. you say you don't want a frozen conflict, but how long can you go on like this with critical shortages of food, water, and medicine in the main areas under attack, tens of thousands of people homeless people sleeping in basement people dying on the streets. how long can this last till the last ukrainian will be killed? and this is not all the nice words. so the moral and the spirit of ukrainians is very high. and the spirit and the experience and effectiveness of ukraine, an army as well. so we will fight, still be in the situation is really very dramatic. if you're speaking about such
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cities, the more you both as the media and then carton. so i got the impression that booking is going to demolish ukraine. totally and to kill all ukrainian. so it's look like, looks like this is keith strategy, and this is the main goal, but you will still be in in the us. president biden has been warning. russia could use chemical and biological weapons. how seriously do you take that threat? very seriously. first, there were accumulations regarding ukraine, that you greenville use chemical weapons that we are working on. birth taking the biological weapons, thought russia amunition. this is crazy. so we should be ready. everybody should be ready. and don't forget that russia is one of the nuclear powers. so they can
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use also nuclear weapons and this is, this is terrible. so you remember that a couple of days ago as a nuclear station will effect with the russian messiah. so that's why we are ready for any kind of sin iris in the last 72 hours, your forces admitted they've lost access to the sea of as off that strip of coast line that connects crimea to the break away regions of done yet, can look at how serious is that last for you? if the asian in maria call is very serious. so that's why we are trying to take care of the rescue of the people. so the spirit of people defending, i mean soldiers, the premium for defending your call is very high. so again, they will be able to, they will fight till the end. so the main thing for us is to create, to establish, so call humanitarian corridors and take people out from the areas which are on the
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it that unfortunately russians a shooting and other people. they are trying to kill every party who is, who is leaving mario will show you or some other city. this is terrible reports from mary paul. have spoken about how it's almost completely destroyed. is it close to the end? is it close to the point where it simply cannot take anymore? 90 percent of the infrastructure of mario is, is the most. so this is our new level. so i don't want to do any, any protocol. it's very hard for me, but people fight. you know, it's tremendously hard to accept that, but we are trying to do our best and our, our. busy our real heroes, they're missing up give sky, if proper talks,
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began constructive talks with the russians began, how far is your government united on what it will or won't negotiate to get a deal? it's very important. all the government is you like that. you know that end together with the balance and the president is staying as you. busy know he will not escape and i think it's important to speak to ukrainian people and the president will do that. so in case he will, he will face with the, with the issues he can not saw himself. so i think that our society is, is that you might, that may be for the 1st time in new history. so it's important to keep us united and the main things so far it is sci fi. and to establish mentions,
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mentions the humanitarian course. your president spelled out, as we said, his red lines about territorial integrity and 70, so you would never accept the annexation of crimea. is that also a red line? yes, sure. and extension of. busy crania was illegal, was made in the, in the military way, so that can not be accepted. it same to 2 territories or the temporary occupied territories of regions. so, but it's important to sit and to speak. we are ready for such bank of negotiations for your information, where your information negotiations are going. other people not speaking to the russians, right now. if those red lines are standing, what's left, some kind of negotiated neutrality for ukraine. you know that the other
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ration is to become the boss, offer the civilized world to the part of nato and european union. i think it is very important to be focused on the way to to become a member of european union. and that, that perspective is very clear. so i think that we have to go in that way and to discuss, to discuss the status of your grade with, with a guarantees by countries like united states, united kingdom. so i think this is the way how we can move with it, but you have not accepted that you will not join nato president. the landscape has called ukraine's failure to gain membership. a truth that must be recognised. does the country accept that? now, do you accept that the point that ukraine is going to become, the member of nato was put into the ukranian main law constitution?
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so in case you case, that decision will be on the table and now it's not on the table. we have to change the constitution from one side of the main thing. i am solely believe that president, in any case will speak for just people. you're talking about a referendum then because he actually spoken about a referendum. correct? absolutely. so the statement was made yesterday in the morning that we probably, we will use rambles as a mechanism establish the, the, the, the, the real situation and to speak both over 3 grain missile. and it seems as though there's a very narrow path to an agreement and a very high price for failure. the, the odds of you finding that path aren't very encouraging of a yes. so, but this is all the way this is over this to me. you know, we,
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i'm absolutely confident that we need to win or to, to, you know, or, so this is for, are some things we, this is historical moment for you. great. we have lots to do in terms of internal life to change a lot of things but he wants to become part of europe. i think that. ready it's clear to everybody that ukraine now is defending european values. and this is very important for the apartment to understand and to let your grain join european, your atlantic community. while you talk about your relations with the euro, atlantic community, you didn't get the no fly zone that you wanted, but you have had significant amounts of lethal military aid from the west. do still feel in any way that the west has let you down?
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no, we are very grateful to all other partners though, all our friends. we are grateful to all the neighbor bolen, our strategic department. and yet we never, we never get. we never got the most fun home. but we are in the, in very good cooperation with all of a partner to provide your brain with the weapons we need at this stage. we need still need aircraft and systems. so that was the point discussed by my minister of defense. and he read nickel yesterday with his british. busy and publish minutes before but more weapons are on their way, can cause the drones, hundreds of sega missiles, also different hardware from italy, denmark, germany, and other. you forces, you're happy with the response you got. yet to be your president. those seem
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particularly annoyed by what he saw as an inadequate response on israel. is that true? he use some pretty strong words about them? yes was, it was the statement that the message and the piece in his statement president go and he was very clear. but from the other sites to make we don't of other relations with israel. busy are very close thousands of of ukrainians believe their and the ukraine is the homeland for both of these really people. so, and that's why he's his statement. his address was very emotional because you granted present them is jewish. so, so that's why we really expect from israel, as well as from other countries like india, to, to make very strong and very clear statement related to russian aggression. but
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from the other side, if you can not use any country, you know that they are providing us with the weapons over the. busy well no, no, we are grateful for everybody, but everybody should find the way you're surrounded by death, destruction, misery in your country. what's been the worst moment for you personally in the last month? it was awful, very close friend of mine. i cannot disclose him. his name, he is a real fight. busy but that was the be tragedy for christopher or his family. and for, for me personally, because i knew that the person how hard is it to, to carry on after something like that. i don't know. i don't know. it's impossible, you know, every best for me. it's like so shooting to my, to my heart,
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it's not easy to, you know, to overcome all these things. i'm quite strong person and i have a lot of experience based. busy my book on korea, i mean i spent in total almost 10 years working in the former yugoslavia and then the increase in. ready countries to gratian so it's not easy, but something like that happened to me already. it was in 1999, i spent 78 days in belgrade during could make a campaign against. ready regime but that was not my company, but i know what is the war and now what came back to me again. you talked earlier about the new found unity in ukraine. is it the collective war effort that motivates people now?
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yeah, you know, you know, what was the idea put in he came pretty great with a dia to kill, to, to, to, to make free ukraine front. but he's the real freshest. together with his army and with his leadership, i met a lot of people coming from. hark you from a summer from to meet you back. they were trying to to leave their places and to move to the west and park. and they were asking me where the only one question, the russians we speak russian, we have purchased a lot of juice. it probably approached me with the same question. so we can use that people that they are the most questions, the green in the low their country, and they will, they, they, they will think they'll be up. so this is, this is the make main mis mistake i think,
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made by russian intelligence. i think the dream was to reach and. ready parade here, like in 3 full days. and that never another mistake may have been to underestimate the morale of the ukrainian people. the polls have been charting the opinion, polls have been chopping that mood. have you been surprised at how upbeat some of them have been? the rating agency did a telephone pole of 1200 people across ukraine last week. 91 percent said they felt hope when thinking about the situation in the country, is that really credible? do you think you see the, the moral and the spirit of ukrainians is that is very high. people very well motivated, you know, from one side they're trying to escape and they're looking for the safe places. but from the other side,
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i think the support and the believe in thought into other victory is very high. i am very proud to be great and i'm very proud to be the part of this, this people. your president has spoken of a strategy for what he called national resilience, designed to deal, i think with different scenarios like a full on invasion. how detailed is that strategy and has it helped to give people confidence? do you think? i think it's to just to speak about the strategy president is that is that is sending to everybody very clear and very strong messages, state brave ukraine, an army will defend you. and i think that now the main, the main scenario, or the main thing is to protect key or,
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and other cities. so as you, as you know, a russians did not succeed, taking into surrender ukrainian cities. maybe the exclusion is, is that there is more reasonable, but the rest of the cities are fighting. and the moral and the spirit of people is the army is very high. your president also had an unusual phrase. he said, we are on the brink of surviving this war. i think he said that a few hours ago on the brink of surviving this war, does that mean that you be able to force a stalemate? and is that at the moment the best you can hope for? i think so, i'm absolutely, i agree with, with my president, and i think that he was very clear in his words, do you have any confidence that china could play any mediating row with russia? because that's something else that people have suggested or is china only interested in itself and the chance to join
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a new anti western alliance. what do you think? i think so, i think that china should not interfere info into, into this more on the russian side. so it's is the role of china shoot and could be tremendous. you remember that the president, by them send very strong messages together, let the advisor saldivar very strong meshes messages to, to china. but yes, i think so now as we can see, china is that pop from from, from this war ice. but i think that the role of china might be, might be significant as this complet goes on. do you also have your idea, your, your thoughts and your concentration on international justice? is this something you're thinking of? are you documenting the potential war crimes they're taking those. are you working
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with the international criminal court? the chief prosecutor who's also expressed interest in putting together evidence and building winnable crates on war crimes. if that's possible in the future. how important is that idea of international justice to you? in the process, people says a lot of facts, a lot of documents, a lot of evidence is that can prove that russia and the president, they are the criminals. so yes, we are going to the international criminal court. we establish already good cooperation with them. so investigation is ongoing and we will provide, we already provided and we are going to provide a lot of evidence is to, to that institution one way. one interesting thing is that how we can negotiate, how we can make an agreement with that,
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with well, with the international criminal. it's also the question we need to, to, to find the answer. do you think you'll never get your old life back again miss and of gifts gay, or is it inevitable that you will have to build a new kind of life full of uncertainty and insecurity? yes. i believe in that you know, into in 2012 i used to be the tournament director for the most successful tenant in the history of with your 2012. i was leaving the office representing with wayne ukraine and we did. we did a tremendous job that was the biggest and most successful project in my life. i believe i want to to come back to my usual life to see my wife, my kids. this is now i think this is the will of all the grain of who let their
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