o fathers and subs starts april 16th on d, w ah ah, you're watching dw is live from berlin, u. s. president jo biden's, message of unity in warsaw gods. the sped cannot remain for the white houses, already clarified that that was not meant as a call for regime change in russia. but the u. s. president, laying the blame for the war in ukraine squarely at the feet of vladimir putin. but biden says, the russian people are not the enemy. also coming up on the show,

it strikes on the west of ukraine. officials there say 5 people have been injured by multiple rockets strikes on a fuel depot in the city of with this company. despite signals from moscow, indicating a shift in focus to the eastern don bass region and with millions displaced due to the war in ukraine. many people are arriving in foreign countries. deeply traumatized will go to fall in to take a look at what is being done to help those most indeed. ah hello, i'm claire richards and thank you so much for joining us. officials in the western ukrainian city of levine, say russian missile strikes have injured several people. the strikes hit a fuel storage facility on the outskirts of the city, which immediately caught fire. authorities say the city's infrastructure was damaged by the strikes,

but no residential buildings were struck. l o v is located around 70 kilometers from the polish border and has been seen as something of a safe haven for those fleeing the russian invasion from other parts of ukraine. i want to get straight across a to detail these correspondent funny for char. she's been reporting for us from levine. funny tell us where you are and what's been happening. i'm in the city center al sleeve if the biggest city i'll fest in ukraine and i remember during the day the hood explosions, apparently that fuel that we have seen in the pictures in the video stems from a facility that was storing fuel. why? according to the liver, may another rockets hit a few hours later, which apparently hit infrastructure, but not residential buildings. as we hear. however, that 3rd explosion we did not hear. we were already sheltering also ourselves in a bunker where we are actually headed in next as well. because fresh air right sar is just started. so as a result, everyone who's out on the street at this point and

a curfew is about to start in an hour as well. need to go down to hunker down. it is going to be a quiet, restless night here for the citizens of live. and tell us if you can, a little bit more about what it is like in at that bunker you've been in and out as we've been reporting throughout the evening, are people taking these air siren seriously to go down there to bunch vote really where you are the been traveling across many pos, if you cry, and here live if really a relatively safe, a city people than the hey, are here, the air, a siren. so who them before the actions. but today really there is a change because so far, even though there was a facility near the airport hit on march 18th, which is about 7 kilometers for, from here. but never so far, at least into the wall. so close to the city sent us several rockets hit live if so a people themselves are bracing of 4 possibly more. and i'm wondering if this is some high anyhow, connected to the fact that you as president abide and is important, which is by the way, just about 60 kilometers from here,

from live. and indeed it live has been a haven for many people fleeing other parts of ukraine to go to the relative safety of the west. what do you think these attacks do mean for a potential escalation of the conflict? that's a really good question because if you listened into what, what russian authority says had to say about the silk a 2nd face of the will that they actually just want to focus on the dumb bus region and not on any major cities anymore. not knowing, but of course is it's just propaganda. what that supposed to mean. people really thought that in the video they are safe. hundreds of thousands of people, a strand. it's here because they didn't want to leave ukraine yet. they thought that this is a safe place to stay before they can actually go back to the home cities, hoping that the war is going to be over maybe a few weeks in a few months from now, but also millions of others have left ukraine already. what one quarter of the cranium population is this place? so yeah, that, that's

a feeling or the state is full. maybe that some people felt libya has as a safe place, is definitely changing because the wool, their strategy of the will and those who fight it is changing as well. and if a are for us in the v in ukraine, a thank you so much for your reporting, please stay safe. on his 2nd day in poland, u. s. president joe biden, as we've heard, has delivered a speech on the crisis in ukraine. in the speech bite and stressed, united states continued support for ukraine. he said the world must prepare for what would be 8 long fight had referring to russian president vladimir putin bite and also suggested that he could not remain in power. the white house later stressed, however, that president bite and it was not pushing for regime change in russia. bruce has the gall to say he did not require ukraine. it's a lie, is just cynical, he knows that. and it's also op, see, present,

zalinski was democratically elected, his jewish, his father's family was wiped out of nazi holocaust, and po, as your audacity like all our autocrats beforehand enjoy. now in the studio by reporter william bluecross. i, william, you've been with me here watching the entirety of biden's speech in warsaw, one in which he is clearly framed as a battle between democracies and autocracies. i just want to start by asking you what the major impressions of the speech where for you, for me, the major impression was the very last line of the speech where he said, for god's sake, this man cannot remain in power that marks of do i can only see as a significant shift in policy to advocate for the removal vladimir putin. how that happens is completely brought in and was not obviously specified. but it is not common for a sitting heads of state to advocate for the removal of power, even of, of, of horrendous people. it's kind of

a thing you don't do. even i remember in 2003, when the u. s. was in the verge of invading iraq. there was all, all kinds of controversy when there was some suggestions. speculation that ari fleischer, the boot, george w bush, his press secretary, the time said, well, one bullet can, can remove, you know, can solve this problem loosely paraphrasing. and he was massively pushed back for suggesting to assassinate saddam hussein. so this is just not something that, that us presidents tend to do to advocate for the removal of, of power, of leaders of power. we don't know what else he really meant by that. so i don't want to harp on it too long, but it is a very notable escalation that i think i can't imagine putin not responding to in kind. and we'll just have to see how that plays plays out. there were so much else here in that speech, really, joe biden, trying to ease people's worries with a lot of references from pope john paul. the 2nd a polish pope, a. i'm in a deeply catholic country, a be not afraid. and really trying a rallying cry to democracies as you know, since the end of the cold war,

not really knowing what these, what democracy stand for, what they're doing in the world. this idea of a friend from francis fukuyama that the thought history is over. there's nothing more left to do this, each of unity that we've just heard that, i mean he also said, we stand with you. what do you think the ukrainians and the audience listening to the speech are going to make out of that? i mean, the u. s. and joe biden went through a long list of things at the u. s. and the european union have done to support ukraine militarily. shoot in a terms of humanitarian aid, in terms of finance, relief, economic, a sort of aspects. but if we've been hearing for weeks now, zalinski and many of his officials talking about how is just not enough, they want so much more direct a intervention both militarily and in terms of, of aid of all kinds. i think zalinski even use the we're disappointed at one at one point, thankful for what has been done but saying it's not enough. so it's certainly a for ukrainians, a major help. but obviously with russia bombing them every day it's,

it's never going to be enough. and one of the major request from ukraine and president, lindsey has of course, been for a no fly zone over ukraine. something that washington and berlin have been have rejected. and can you tell us what's behind? i'm broad and broadly, the european union nato. there have been a few individual countries such as lithuania, i believe, i think pull it also come out in favor of so hold close in ears basis, a very difficult thing to do. it require ukraine's a huge country. first of all require a massive amount of air power. that would even strain u. s. resources. it would require going after russian assets both in ukraine and in russia itself. and the u. s. only has experienced in enforcing no fly zones where it doesn't really face opposition, such as any rock such as over the former former yugoslavia where there is no real air force to speak of russia for all of its missteps and all of its military weaknesses. surprise, weaknesses still is a massive military power and it would put the 2 sides into direct competition. it's

not an easy solution. like some people might suggest it is a reporter, william glover. i want to thank you so much for coming into the studio with that analysis. well, ukraine has now seen a month of fighting that has left a thousands dead and forth more than $10000000.00 people to flee their homes. now, moscow has that it shifting its focus to ukraine's eastern don bass region. while the kremlin claims it has largely successfully completed the 1st phase of what it calls its military operation. some analysts say it could be a sign russian president vladimir putin is trying to save face after failing to subdue ukraine or capture its capital keith. but as moscow change as a focus, the human suffering from its invasion shows no sign of abating signs of spring greeted keven such a day as ukraine shakes off its winter an end to the new phase of wall. oh, that may be a changing strategy. after britian defeats that there is little rest bike for

those on the front lines of battle. ah, many are visibly exhausted, but steadfast, immediate termination to stay looking for through poosey jame. as you can see, he says, and our children and grandchildren, a dying forget, wrote to him, i'm 62. i can't leave this place. so one, i'll stay here. if need be, i will die here will do. but i will not give them a crane. who ukrainian forces have recaptured areas on the outskirts of the capital. keep still lives continue to be destroyed. oh, i thought you well oh,

think at this hospital in harkey, the wounded continue to arrive as ukrainian forces come under heavy fire was a low dormer in maria polls. there are some of the damage inflicted by bush and bombs is clear. i do it so really unfortunately, nothing remains of maria pole and the bombing it with savage weapons. i this last week there had been explosions like i've never heard before. my room could give a problem. they hit residential areas with rockets. i hundreds continue to flee. maria poll good bye to the decimated city on to those who must stay behind. and i want to speak now to phillips o'brien, professor of strategic studies at the university of st. andrews in scotland

currently joining me from boston in the united states, a very warm welcome to the show. first, i want to ask you about biden's remarks in warsaw. poland. now he said on saturday that russian president vladimir putin, quote, cannot remain in power at the white house already walking that back. do you expect there to be consequences from this? i think if they walked back quickly, i'm not quite sure what consequences newton can do about it. i mean, he's got his military almost fully deployed in ukraine or we're close to it. so he can't go to war with nato. go with nato he'd lose in a heartbeat. so in some ways there's no way to retaliate against it that that wouldn't back fire on it. the white house, as you say, is already walking it back. so my guess is this will not be a major issue relatively soon. ok, so that with that cleared up, i'm gonna ask you about the military situation. a high ranking russian military officials that on friday that russia has completed the 1st stage of its operation.

i could now focus on what it calls its main goal, the liberation of don boss. at the same time. we also heard from our correspondent today that there are explosions near levine in the west of the country. what is to be made of all this? well, those are not by the way that naturally exclusive event. the tax on the v would be going on if they have a limited warranty, is simply to try and slow down the movement of goods and supplies and reinforcements from western ukraine eastern. you can look the move to an eastern ukraine. strategy is in some ways rational because the russian military has been over extended, suffered serious losses and hasn't been able to take any of its major objectives at this point. and it probably couldn't with the army, it has now it's hard to see how they would ever take here with the force they have . so they can, in a sense, style it down to say ok, we never really meant to do this with that you, what we want to do is take eastern ukraine and they militarily could do they could

take more eastern ukraine. the problem with that strategy is that how did then do in the war? it must ukraine will accept that. then you end up, which i don't think they would at this point. then you end up in a permanent war with the crypt link, sanction sitting russia. so it's a militarily, perhaps clever idea, but it's not quite clear how this ends the war. now i just want to clarify, i'm your view a focus on eastern ukraine, making up the priority in their strategy. does not then preclude a tax on western ukraine. no, not at all. i've been one of the success stories for ukraine during this war so far is that they've kept supplies flowing from west east. they've been very much better logistical operations than the russians. so if the russians are in a war in the east, they're still going to want to try and keep the ukrainians from recent lying and reinforcing there. there are ways because the fighting would be going on. so it wouldn't be an attack to take over it simply attack to destroy the infrastructure

of the to make a good supply. and that would be a guess why we don't know at this point. i just don't want, it shouldn't be read that because they are attacking the they're not doing the eastern strategy that, that's not actually is an exclusive event in the potential for a long drawn out conflict. in the do you see this as russia preparing for a war of attrition? and if so, does the russian military have the resources to carry that out? i think basically, right now there's crisis in the russian military in the russian government. i'm not sure anyone is thinking long term right now. they're simply trying to salvage what has been a strategic catastrophe for the russian army. and i don't think we can sugar out it . the russian army was unprepared for the war that it thought the ukrainians were prepared. and the russians have been suffering throughout and around the line in ukraine. so i'm not quite sure they're actually thinking in any kind of long term structural way. they're trying now to simply say face,

and that would be an east creek eastern ukraine move would be to save face, but it's then how you and the war. now, it is difficult to get reliable numbers, but some sources are particularly in ukraine. have suggested that russians are suffering massive casualties on estimates between 7 and 15000 troops killed in action. give a sense of how reliable those figures are. well, i think the 7000 was one given out by the united states department of defense about a week ago, or even a little bit longer. so we and that was probably a relatively accurate figure at the time. so i mean, 15000 might be on the high end, but i think it's from 7 to 10000. seems very possible within the range of activity we had. and then you'd have a number of more times wounded. i mean, you can do some quite horrible metrics by just looking at the number of russian vehicles destroy, not the ones abandoned, but the ones destroyed. and they're,

they're well over, i think a 1000 at this point that have been destroyed and each one of them would have had say 234, sometimes more people in them depending on what kind of vehicle they were. so whatever the number is, it's much, much higher than i think, almost anyone like going into this war and certainly much higher than the russians ever thought they would suffer. ok on that note, we're going to leave the interview there. i want to thank phillips o'brien, professor of strategic studies at the university of st. andrews in scotland, very much for joining us. thank you. we can turn now to some of the other developments in the war. a french president am on you, i'm a current has proposed an international mission to evacuate people from. are you paul? the cranium city, devastated by russian attacks across that he was working on a humanitarian operation together with turkey and greece. and that he would soon call russian president vladimir putin to work out the details. meanwhile,

crowds unfurled a giant ukrainian flag and shouted go home at a rally in voltage. after rushing horses had occupied the town, russian forces responded by firing into the air and detaining the mare. they later released him and agreed to leave the town. where the 130 refugees from ukraine have arrived in germany from over hundreds of thousands of ukrainian have fled to the small former soviet republic, germany plans to airlift, 2500 refugees out of my dover to help it deal with the new arrivals. and many of those who flee ukraine often arrived traumatized in neighboring countries. the war itself, the sudden need to leave everything behind and the journey out, as well as the uncertainty of what might come next. all of that can be overwhelming and did abuse monica sharon got sent us this report from the train station in shay, michelle on the polish border with ukraine. there she met a we're good now

a polish psychotherapist who's worked in germany for decades and is just one of several german and polish mental health professionals who are offering new arrivals . psychological 1st aid. and if someone trying to here to go, you move home, it's in will not, i can baby live owner. good pick a 25 year old woman arrived without luggage carrying just her baby. she has 3 children. the youngest is just 10 months old. she couldn't bring anything as she traveled 3 days without sleeping without eating. when she got here, she was so exhausted. she was barely able to sleep at the back when we approached her and asked where she had come from, whether she knew where to go. all she could say was her house had been hit and her husband was probably dead and wendy had ones and on him one family homeless. you mentioned dea income democracy, then you guys all the people who come here often worry less about themselves and

what's going to happen to them than about those who stayed behind ukraine's lab resume. stephanie can, doesn't art human irish be? we have certain stabilization techniques, a kind of exercise, actually a game between mother and child, not the mother moves the child a little in principle like a tapping technique. and she gives them verbal suggestions. you are safe, i am here with you. it's over. nothing will happen to you. these techniques, stabilize and calm, the nervous system of the child as an aunt of the mother, woman, woman, this is everybody's in, we give them these exercises so they can stabilize themselves and we ordered them to look after themselves. many are traveling into the unknown, but we say look after yourself, look after your child stabilize yourself, and if you find yourself struggling, find help property. i live near dimension duncan, we have seen many thinks intimacy, gratitude, how fust contact can be made, how people can help each other, but also a lot of sadness when they see

a child who has been on the road 2 or 3 days, or where a little shoe is missing because there is nothing there. i am a mother myself and it does affect as deeply this situation as sad as it is, has also shown us how much humanity there is in this word. meanwhile more than half a 1000000 people have fled to moldova as neighbor, romania, the country is a member of both european union and nato, and is the 2nd most frequent destination for ukrainian refugees after poland. many arrived with harrowing tales of their escape from the war. it's just a short ride to safety, but for many here it comes after a long and perilous journey. this family reunited at the docks. some came by ferry, others over land, leaving behind a home caught in some of the fiercest fighting so far. we could either log on meek,

alive the situation is very bad. randazzo sir. it is being shell from every direction or more of the people who are able to flee or fleeing. it is hard, boy, i want to go home. i want to go home very much. ukraine's short border with romania runs along the danube river fairies land at the town of a sacha, with only a few 1000 inhabitants. it is become yet another transit point as refugees flow out of ukraine. many of the new arrivals are fleeing southern ukraine, where the russians have been attacking cities like mc alive, near the black sea coast, and moving towards the major port city of odessa life and wayne through the us. i could have never believed in such things before made through the honestly, this is a shock. my. we could have never believed that the sky would have been so dangerous . you're getting close to that we'd be afraid of airplanes and other things.

probably. i didn't expect any of this yet. bear with me up and you are every day there is death. there's destruction of your them. so to be there is very scary, especially with small children. that's why we left him. he couldn't brooklyn, you more. we 1st went to odessa and he stayed there for one night. but there are air raid sirens every day. destruction shots fired the whole package with the red cross has set up tents to welcome the ukrainians. but these tense and this town are just another transit point for those arriving. their journey is far from over. let's turn now to some of the other stories we are following for you at this hour. a saudi lead. a coalition has attack, has launched overnight, airstrikes on the yemen capital center, and the red sea city of hold, ida killing at least 7 people. the attack came a day after iranian back,

who the rebels staged a daring attack on an oil depot in the saudi city of jetta. ahead of today's formula, one race in the kingdom. a volcano has erupted near a scenic lake in the philippines. authorities raised the alert level in the region and urged residents to evacuate. there have been volcanic earthquakes and concerns that further eruptions may occur. experts are warning of possible fast moving gas and a soon army in the lake. and at taylor hawkins, the drummer of the celebrated rock band, foo fighters has died while on tour with the band in columbia. the 50 year old joined the group formed by ex nirvana musician dave roll akin 1997 and a statement of the band called his death, a quote, tragic and untimely boss. watching dw news before we go. let's get a recap of our main stories. on his 2nd day in poland,

u. s. president joe biden has delivered a speech on the war against ukraine. he denounced to president putin's aggression against ukraine and said, quote, to prudent cannot remain in power. the white house has since walked that back, bought bite in distress that the russian people are not the enemy. and their reports of injuries after multiple airstrikes on the ukrainian city of the vive. in the west, several powerful explosions were heard there and black smoke was seen rising above the city. local officials called on people to remain calm and to state in their home. as his update at this hour coming up next is close up journeys of despair. ukrainians linked booted you. stay tuned for that. i'll be back with more news headlines at the top of the hour. or you can check out our website for news and analysis. s d w dot com. you can also find us on twitter and instagram at dap units and cry, richardson in berlin for me and the team here working behind the scenes. thanks for joining us.

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i was born in starts march 30th on d. w. ah, hundreds of thousands of ukrainians are flaying the war into neighboring countries to the west. including romania, a handful of others are heading in the opposite direction. natalia and dema were on holiday when russia invaded ukraine their returning to be with their children in khaki if a city under brutal attack back home they.