the w. o live and on demand content, language courses, video and audio. any time anywhere d, w media center. with day after day, the ukrainian port of mario paul as withstood rushes relentless onslaught and refused to surrender. but the city is all but destroyed, maybe have less supplies of basic goods running out fast. is this how russia plans to strangle other cities across you, craig? my guess this week is mark can look, keep sky advisor to the countries minister of defense. how long can this all go on till the last ukrainian will be killed? and this is not only nice words. so the moral in the spirit of your green yes, of

a very high as the fighting intensifies, we look at the narrow path to a piece of cord and the prospect that you crane faces years of stalemate. what motivates people in during such diet conditions? and while they give their life and their future for their country, do they feel that there are lives who promised so much have given enough bath and much more on conflict on marty and look give to welcome to conflict zone. thank you for having me with you. as russia step submits, attacks, fighting words from your president, ukraine. he said will never bow to russian ultimatums, and he make clear that be no compromises on territorial integrity or sovereignty.

but he wants to talk to mister putin. is there anything to suggest that russia wants to talk constructively to him? i think it's him. look, this initiative was right, a couple of times, but present been lensky. and yet he is ready to speak. so rather than put him to discuss issues including community, humanitarian, political, but we still did not get any, any reply from the russian side. the russian side is ready to discuss that. let me remind you 11 very interesting thing for me. you remember, recently were negotiations between the minister appointment press of ukraine medical lever and his counterpart minister law group. and after that

negotiation, there was a statement made by law. he said that russia will never attack any european or other country. and after that, he had in the russia, ukraine so even if you got a deal, you wouldn't trust it so much. you're saying we need to have very strong guarantee provided not only by russia, but also by such countries as the united states, united kingdom, g, 7, european countries. you and probably our neighbors. you had those guarantees or some of those guarantees with the budapest memorandum going back to 1994. guaranteeing your security in return for you giving up your nuclear weapons. that didn't work so well, then did it what makes you think it will work better? now? we need to establish new system of security. you are absolutely right saying that

you the person in random mirror. and now we need to include all parties and to define such guarantees which should be really workable for everybody, not only for your grain, because in the circumstances. and nobody can be safe look. and do they put in effect, ukraine? why to morrow? you wouldn't attack bowen or lithuania sonia lamphier. nobody can be sure i know a week ago, your president stop negotiator me carlo padaya went so far as to say, the russian position had softened significantly. we have much confidence. he said that will have a cease far in the coming days. what happened to that confidence? i think that there are 2 reasons. so i cannot disclose the method of negotiations. i'm not the part of negotiating team, but there are 2 main reasons why position or approach russian federation

became much more soft. the 1st of all, the losses of russia. ukraine are tremendous. they, there are russians last already, their soldiers here. and the 2nd thing that the sanctions are working, so it these to read the base or, or the met, the white russians are ready to speak, to speak in a much more. so the way. but there are some suggestion in the western russia sees negotiations. the diplomat said, just a way of dialing up and dialing down the tempo to suit rushes needs. what do you think? we don't we don't want to to face with the pros and cons. like you're absolutely right. i agree with you. so, and this is the strategy or the 2nd. so russia russian made a couple. busy frozen context on the territorial soviet union, other by john ga mo,

door. so and probably if they will not cease in the coming days and they will not, they will try, they will product the pros and cons. you say you don't want a frozen conflict, but how long can you go on like this? with critical shortages of food, water, and medicine, in the main areas under attack, tens of thousands of people homeless people sleeping in basements, people die, and on the streets. how long can this last bill the last ukrainian will be killed and this is not all the nice words. so the moral and the spirit of ukrainians is very high. and the spirit and the experience and effectiveness of ukraine, an army as well. so we will fight, still be in the situation is really very dramatic. if you're speaking about such cities as mario, both as the chinese you and then hard to. so i got the impression that booking

is going to demolish ukraine. totally and to kill all ukrainian. so it's look like, looks like this is key strategy and this is the main goal, but you will fight still be in in the us. president biden has been warning. russia could use chemical and biological weapons. how seriously do you take that threat? very seriously. first, there were a q ration regarding ukraine. the ukraine will use chemical weapons that we are working on birth, taking the biological weapons, thought russia amunition. this is crazy. so we should be ready. everybody should be ready. and don't forget that russia is one of the nuclear powers, so they can use also nuclear weapons. and this is, this is terrible. so you remember that a couple of days ago as

a nuclear station will effect with the russian messiah. so that's why we are ready for any kind of sin iris in the last 72 as your forces admitted they've lost access to the sea of as off that strip of coastline that connects crimea to the breakaway regions of done yet. can look at how serious is that last for you if you're in, maria call is very serious. so that's why we are trying to take care of the rescue of a people. so the spirit of people defending, i mean soldiers supreme. busy defending your call is very high, so again, they will be able to, they will fight till the end. so the main thing for us is to create, to establish, so call humanitarian corridors and these people out from the areas which are on the it that unfortunately russians a shooting and other people,

they are trying to kill every party who is, who is leaving mario, go to you or some other city. this is terrible reports from mary paul have spoken about how it's almost completely destroyed. is it close to the end? is it close to the point where it simply cannot take any more 90 percent of the infrastructure mario is? is the most so this is our new level. so i don't want to to do any, any protocol. it's very hard for me, but people fight. you know, it's tremendously hard to accept that. but we are trying to do our best. and our, our soldiers are real heroes. they're missing up give sky, if proper talks, began constructive talks with the russians began,

how far is your government united on what it will or won't negotiate to get a deal? it's very important. all the government is you like that, you know that and together with the parliament and the president is staying in you know. busy he will not escape and i think it's important to speak to ukrainian people and the president will do that. so in case he will, he will face with the, with the issues he cannot saw himself. so i think that our society is that you might, that make. ready for the 1st time in new history. so it's important to keep it united and the main things so far it is sci fi. and to establish mentions, mentions the humanitarian quarter, this year president spelled out, as we said,

his red lines about territorial integrity and sovereignty. so you would never accept the annexation of crimea, is that also a red line? yes, sure. integration of. busy crimea was illegal, was made in the, in the military way. so that cannot be accepted. it same to 2 territories or the temporary occupied territories of regions. so, but it's important to sit and to speak. we are ready for such bank of negotiations for your information or your information. negotiations are going of a deep will not speaking to the russians. right now if those red lines are standing, what's left, some kind of negotiated neutrality for ukraine. you know that the duration is to become the bought ofer,

civilized world to the part of nato and european union. i think it's very important to be focused on the way to to become a member of european union. and that, that perspective is very clear. so i think that we have to go in that way and to discuss, to discuss the status of your grade with, with a guarantees by countries like united states, united kingdom. so i think this is the way how we can move with it. but you have not accepted that you will not join nato president. the landscape has called ukraine's failure to gain membership. a truth that must be recognised. does the country accept that? now, do you accept that the point that ukraine going to become the member of nato. busy was put into the ukrainian main law in the constitution. so in case

you case, that decision will be on the table and now it's not on the table. you have to change the constitutes from one side and the main thing i'm so we believe that president, in any case will be people you're talking about a referendum then because he's actually spoken about a referendum. correct? absolutely. so the statement was made yesterday in the morning that we probably will use referendums as a mechanism establish the, the, the, the real situation and to speak with the grain missile and pisca. it seems as though there's a very narrow path to an agreement and a very high price for failure. the, the odds of you finding that path aren't very encouraging of a yes. so, but this is all the way this is destiny. you know, we,

i'm absolutely confident that we need to win or to, you know, or so this is for us something we, this is historical moment for you. great. we have lots to do in terms of internal life to change a lot of things. but he wants to become the part of europe. i think that it's clear to everybody that ukraine now is defending european values. and this is very important for the partners to understand and to let your grain join european, your atlantic community. while you talk about your relations with the euro, atlantic community, you didn't get the no fly zone that you wanted, but you have had significant amounts of lethal military aid from the west. do still feel in any way that the west has let you down? no, we are very grateful to all other partners though. all our friends we are. we are

grateful to all the neighbor bolen. i was strategic apartment and yet we never, we never get. we never got the fun home. but we are in the, in very good cooperation with all of the partners to provide your brain with the weapons we need at this stage. we need still need aircraft and systems. so that was the point, discussed by my minister of defense meant to read nickel yet to the with his british colleague and polish minutes before but more weapons are on their way, can cause the drones hundreds of stig miss aisles. also different hardware from italy, denmark, germany, and other, you forces, you're happy with the response you got yet to be your president. those seem particularly annoyed by what he saw as an inadequate response on israel. is that

true? he use some pretty strong words about them? yes it was, it was the statement and the piece in his statement, president glen sky was very clear. but from the other side to make we don't of other relations with israel. busy are very close thousands of, of ukrainians believe their and the ukraine is the homeland for both of these really people. so, and that's why he's his statement. his address was very emotional because you're going to present them is jewish. so, so that's why we really expect from israel, as well as from other countries like india, to, to make very strong and very clear statement related to russian aggression. but from the other site that we cannot use any country, you know, that they are providing us with a reference over the. busy support or not?

no, we are grateful for everybody, but everybody should find the way you're surrounded by death, destruction, misery in your country. what's been the worst moment for you personally in the last month? it was awful, very close friend of mine. i cannot disclose his name, he is a real fight. busy but that was the be tragedy for christopher, for his family. and for, for me personally, because i knew that the person how hard is it to, to carry on after something like that. i don't know. i don't know. it's impossible . you know, every bed for me it's like. ready so i should be the might do my heart, it's not easy to, to overcome all these things. i'm quite strong person and i have

a lot of experience based. busy my book on korea, i mean i spent almost 10 years working in the former yugoslavia and then the increase in that company to gratian. so it's not easy, but something like that happened to me already. it was in 1999, i spent 78 days in belgrade during could make a campaign against. ready regime on the last, but that was not my company, but i know what is the war and now what came back to me again. you talked earlier about the new found unity in ukraine. is it the collective war effort that motivates people now? yeah, you know, you know, what was the idea of put him, he came to your brain with

a to kill, to, to, to, to make free ukraine from passions. but he's the real freshest. together with his army and with his leadership, i met a lot of people coming from. hark you from a summer from to meet you that they were trying to to leave their places and to move to the west. and. busy and they were asking me where the only one question, lia russians, you speak russian, we purchased a lot of juice, probably approach me with the same question. so we can use that people that they are the most questions the green in the low their country. and they will state they, they will stay till the end of the. so this is, this is the make main mistake i think made by russian intelligence. i think the

dream was to reach and to parade here, like in 3 full days. and that never happen. another mistake may have been to underestimate the morale of the ukrainian people. the polls have been charting, the opinion, polls have been charting that mood. have you been surprised at how upbeat some of them have been? the rating agency did a telephone pole of 1200 people across ukraine last week. 91 percent said they felt hope when thinking about the situation in the country, is that really credible? do you think you see the, the moral and the spirit of ukrainians is that is very high. people very well motivated in, you know, from one side they're trying to escape and they're looking for the safe places. but from the other side, i think the support and the, the believe in thought into other victory is very high. i am very proud to

be cranium. i'm very proud to be the part of this, this people. your president has spoken of a, a strategy for what he called national resilience designed to deal i think with different scenarios like a full on invasion. how detailed is that strategy and has it helped to give people confidence? do you think? i think it's just to speak about the strategy president is it is it is sending to everybody very clear and very strong messages, state brave ukraine, an army will defend you. and i think that now the main, the main scenario or the main thing is to protect key or, and other cities. so as you, as you know, russians did not succeed,

they can give to surround the ukrainian cities. maybe the exclusion is, is that there is more reasonable, but the rest of the cities are fighting. and the moral and the spirit of people is obvious, very high. your president also has an unusual phrase. he said, we are on the brink of surviving this war. i think he said that a few hours ago on the brink of surviving this war, does that mean that you be able to force a stalemate? and is that at the moment the best you can hope for? i think so, i'm absolutely. i read whether, whether my president, i think that he was very clear in his words, do you have any confidence that china could play any mediating row with russia because that's something else that people have suggested, or is china only interested in itself and the chance to join a new anti western alliance. what do you think? i think so, i think that china should not interfere info into,

into this war on the russian side. so it's the role of china. shoot and could be tremendous. you remember that the president by them send very strong messages together and he let the advisor saldivar very strong message message is still to china, but yes, i think so now as we can see, china is a pop from, from, from this war i. but i think that the role of china might be, might be significant, as this conflict goes on. do you also have your idea, your, your thoughts and your concentration on international justice? is this something you're thinking of, are you documenting the potential war crimes and taking those? are you working with the international criminal court? the chief prosecutor who's also expressed interest in putting together evidence and

building winnable crates on war crimes. if that's possible in the future, how important is that idea of international justice to you? if the process could be process a lot of facts, a lot of documents, a lot of evidence is that can prove that the russia and the president, they are the criminals. so yes, we are going to the international criminal court. we establish already good cooperation with them. so investigation is ongoing and we will provide, we already provided and we are going to provide a lot of evidence is to, to that institution. one interesting thing is that how we can negotiate, how we can make an agreement with the well,

with the international criminal. it's also the question that we need to, to, to find the answer. do you think you'll never get your old life back again miss and of gifts k, or is it inevitable that you will have to build a new kind of life full of uncertainty and insecurity? yes. i believe in that you know, into in 2012 i used to be the tournament director for the most successful tenant in the history of where you're at a 1012. i was leaving the office representing wesley ukraine. and we did. we did a tremendous job that was the biggest and most successful project in my life. i believe i want to to come back to my usual life to see my wife, my kids. this is not. i think this is the will of all ukrainians who left their homes mark in the gifts good. it's been good to have your own complex. i'm thank

you very much for giving us your time. thank you. thank you so much. thank you. ah ah, with

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