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those who are finding it difficult with success in our weekly coping. 19 special every thursday con d w. ah. mikhail hotel, kosky founder, one of russia's more successful oil companies in the ninety's, went from being the ultimate, from an insider to one of what they were put of most fierce critics for his views he paid by 10 years in the russian jail. he's been living in exile in london since 2013, and since put his recent aggression against the grain, his views became even more outspoken. i met mister hutton kosky in his london

office to talk about the peace talks between the kremlin and key of the perspectives of the russian society, as well as the future of lithium or put authority. miss holder kosky talks between are russia and ukraine mediated by turkey. suddenly started to progress quite quickly, doesn't mean that a vitamin put in a serious about a strike, a deal with the crime twins in us that does need you to another to be difficult. or even one week ago i would have said no, ah, because for putting to become serious about these talks years ago from he must realize that he is stuck in ukraine. ah, need you to know that about a week ago, i already said that it will take another week for him to come to this realization. would you eaten my gressick strangely? he seems to be sticking to my time table. so amy, i says lonia that will store after

a month of war. he has understood that there can be no military solution here. and there is an attempt to transition to a real negotiation process and process. so put in a serious about striking a significant deal with presence alaska, the crime. ha. when you motion the shows a cal, give it a definitive answer to this question. at the moment im state putin has 2 options now to well, either he escalates things which could mean either introducing mobilization or using tactical nuclear weapons. or he can stabilize the situation and begin peace talks in earnest money at the after school year. he is at a point where he has to make a decision and the position of the west is critically important. now we go one ah, on the hood, us of to which to bring actually shania is this western world resistance needs to be clear on meaning comprehensive support, the ukraine, if the war continues. and in case putin uses tactical nuclear weapons or other

weapons of mass destruction should be me. ah, but each school year didn't waddell's alien or was it that sort of clear position from the west will let say help putin make the right decision for model are put in a put in it and to show up. rush officials now say that, ah, the kremlin russia will concentrate on don boss on the region of don boston is new . great. what could that mean? ah, brusquely couldn't missouri, it is dark when it comes to the military alteration and his initial goal replacing the government in keith's. this means he must think about what he can sell to the russian people versus going muddled. but others that i see it would have been easier for him to sell. what happened if he had claimed more territories, like the cas on the mike lay of regions of ukraine buller. but this would have

meant endless guerilla warfare by ukrainians and countless russian soldiers, deaths was thrown me ah, greens biskin each little, but as his cue so that this would have very quickly destroyed the illusion of victory. let us, it'll still be. so the only option for putin is to try and keep the regions where there will be no guerrilla war, or at least it won't be in tennis, in my opinion, that is the case in the areas which ukrainians call that temporarily occupied territories, internets and landscape. which he already controls because they're the segments of ukrainian society that opposed putin have already been destroyed. was they she put in no, no, just yell, clean, scorched over cushion. most observers do, they believe that vladimir putin started this latest campaign against a crane or based on completely false assumptions about the great society you bring in the military capability. songs force will do understand,

how does he take decisions and who advises you? ah, so wouldn't you know, it's obvious to day that russia is a dictatorship and in a dictatorship, only one person makes decisions with that person is vladimir putin. really most book formula you will mean as a short was just as a short, but it's telling you that those in his, in a circle can only shape his opinion and influence him by either presenting certain bits of information or not presenting them. still wouldn't informatics thing, i am completely convinced that this time vladimir putin was presented a significant amount of false information. both about the situation in ukraine as well as the condition of his own armed forces up. we saw that and put in also had the problem that he was limiting his contacts in accordance with anti cove measures . when he showed that he was panicked about the disease that the body. so that means he ready limited who he was talking to. his sources of information karma,

so you say mr. pudding, committed certain mistakes by self isolating, by limiting his are the number of his advisors and people from whom he takes advice . did the west commit any mistakes dealing with put oh, oh, the suck was something without, without it did occur. could noise the west perceived putin as a well known dictator and autocrat may be even as a corrupt person to me, but still lives as a statesman. them did put in solutions would in fact putin is actually something different to that order. he's a thugs lug nut g visual is absolutely with he was now his ruth in the k g b which with a mafia style organization, which completely ignored the law in noise for so much lena, he has a completely different way of thinking he's come, but i me so stuck him joy come,

nanny, attempt to reach a compromise with that kind of a land ice without 1st showing him strength. that is a huge mistake. but one, as you'll see, a blue shoe shock, it only provokes him to take a further step towards an attack at the ceiling which night only when his forces is met with force. what was only then is an agreement, possibles loud ctx door our brochure, wendy's. kenny, one in russia, he witnessed the matter years in a post soviet russia knows that we just sent him some new ones. and i understand that especially well because i spent 10 years in jail with these kinds of thugs says, up of them needed a mutual that still buckling me, explained by them. so i rippled heatedly tried to explain this to western leaders, was i am glad now that at least mister biden, judging by his remarks in poland, has understood this and took a position that is immediately clear to any thug. if you attack me, i'll hit you right back torch,

look dumb to look well the western through this unprecedented sanctions against over europe. witnesses regime are still we keep hearing that rationale guards. russian billionaires are just moving their assets from the west to locations like eastern bull, or of united or arab emirates up. so are they safe? might be it must moment. those ne says, let's 1st of all, for, we need to see very clearly that putin has become, or maybe he always was an enemy of the west, elsa. that up is his declared position up. he is also put it in writings, including in russia's national security doctrine. ah, he's at peace and lamp, as it's was a prisoner, as long as he is in power, no one in europe can be safe. that you're a europe will have to spend huge amounts of money on its security. money, which could have been put to better use, put stays at the places are gone. they ginger politically gormley, genius,

so bizarre bus scuttle. it is extremely important for europe and america to put their political systems and their economies outside the reach of what i would call prudence, extended arms up, we'll see. scuse me, his instruments are not only his secret services, but also business men who depend on him. the people who refused to call aggression aggression, refused to call the war criminal putin, a war criminal. and these people are trying to move their money somewhere. and you know, that's not that easy to do with your business. that the to lose you got the researchers up cause of woods and once again of the west, a mouth distance itself from these people were un. what was to pick up which are not very and number is 2 and tossed. it's lou to put those solicitously to put it simply moves. one cannot compare the money they will bring with the money the west will have to spend to ensure its safety. shes resume almost to teaching that would

only put in your sort it is deemed cut, thought is up to plead your security. natasha is an expensive thing that the dean grows. nobody does. a person stood in your personal view. how will put his regime end? will it be a could it are? will it be a popular uprising or, or probably it will continue in, evolve by church from ha, utley chairs. so large country is different from other smaller countries focused because any dick tutorial regime has more possibilities of containing the problem. with her celine, no matter what the level of public discontent is, practitioner kit would've been obsessed in the one in the woods. hi, tim pneumonia. however, we can look back through history q. if the studies, your history tells us that threats to such

a regime either come from the leaders in a circle. lou somehow or another risk is armed people, the army ah, the we movies at the world wrongly luge, and there is option number 3, which are the toughest one new like in iran, google. so when a dictator stays empower until his natural death, if a video that could even be 10 years or more, like we would do that. but those are for you. so worsted door, somebody smarter, the better option would be if russia could transition into a more federal structure. looks like maybe even a confederation of some sort bullet gradually. and that path would have a more real chance if the 2 1st options of regime change happened really was to p. m. he ah, it with the will put she boisterous chance of yesteryear. and we'll do the trend is

all in the purely in off your bill. oh, good money. you know, i was in germany recently sued me and i talked to people who remember the past which is to meet him as at the exc. and i asked them how quick the d knots if occasion process in germany was given. they said that german society only really started to perceive hitler in the way that we perceive him now as a global force of evil. and started to feel horrified with what germany did was it was somewhere around 1968 was just so over 20 years later, us live a generation later early. unfortunately, by you, i think that in russia where i see that process won't be fast either dogs were and he a duck mile over to him. mr. macowski, thank you very much. but him ah,

the sanctions against russia are having an impact. workers there are experiencing the effects 1st hand like thousands of other volkswagen employees who thought dmitri sort of shove, is currently for a moment. he's enjoying his break for now, but how much longer will discontinue focus on europe next in? oh, d, w into the conflict with sebastian worried rushes. 5 about the progress of the war of mobiles, of investigative journalist, managed to pierce the veiled secrecy among them. i'm very old, offer a guarantor of websites with trucks rushes intelligence services. it's really difficult for psychological plato because i've only about 60 minutes long d w. you stay in

a live and on demand content in language courses, video and audio any time anywhere that dw media center ah, this is focus on europe. thanks for your company today. russia invasion of ukraine has left a trail of devastation once vibrant cities have been reduced to rubble. their landscapes no longer recognizable, one place that has been especially hard hit.