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ah, ah, ah ah, this is, it'll be news line from berlin, shock and outreach russian forces were drawn from around keith, leaving behind a trail of death and destruction. the devastating toll of the war becomes clear as dead bodies with hands bound lie in the streets of the capital suburbs. ukraine's presidents accuses russia of genocide the kremlin claims. the killings were staged . this says calls now girls or more sanctions on moscow. germany's chancellor and other western leaders express they are who are in the face of the atrocities and
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musics. biggest neither grammy awards more is back to life for the 1st time since the pandemic. but the superstar celebration gets a dose of reality with an address by none other than the ukrainian president farmers landscape. ah. hi everyone and layla, iraq, thank you so much for joining us. ukrainian present voluntary zalinski says it will be more difficult to negotiate with russia following the alleged atrocities, atrocities committed by russian troops. mister zalinski made his comments during a visit to the town of boucher near the capital key while following his recapture by ukrainian forces. evidence of mass murder by russian forces has emerged,
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mass graves and images of dead civilians. many with their hands bound or showing signs of torture have sparked widespread international condemnation. ukrainian authority say over 400 bodies have been discovered. several you countries now are pushing for tougher sanctions against russia, with some leaders calling the killings, war crimes, and a warning to our viewers. this next report contains disturbing graphic images as ukrainian forces recapture territory to the north of cave reports of what russian troops left behind continued to emerge. civilians with their hands tied apparently shot at close range. dozens of other bodies had been found in mass graves. fisher, missouri for what we sooner paying for you will be seen butcher
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a horrible images. unfortunately, these images are not from a film work, but reality. it is the terrible reality where civilians are shot dead with hands tag behind their backs. her little crown, royal ukraine's prosecutor general says more than $400.00 bodies had been found in town surrounding keyed president, vladimir zalinski said, russian forces must be held responsible for both of them. the good go as soon as i call on all our citizens and friends of ukraine in the world who can join his work and help establish justice to do so. the world has already seen many war crimes at different times on different continents lately, but it is time to do everything possible to make the war crimes of the russian military. the. 8 last manifestation of such evil on earth as la mas, emily, russia has rejected the claims calling what happened in butcher, a fake attack,
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and yet another provocation by the ukrainian government. but people here descried killings by the russians issue. you went to get some road when all of a sudden the russian started shooting when it hit him above the heel, crushing the bone over and he fell down to jewish. a beauty home of her yield. all the people who were going to this area were shot was that we were afraid to go out because if they saw you, they would shoot you that a good. yes, i am so free to talk to you. i mean, i'm afraid they will come back from 4 talks were set to resume between ukrainian and russian negotiators to day. the horrifying images from butcher will no doubt make the hard task of finding a diplomatic solution, even more difficult, horrifying scenes out of which f as go to live even western ukrainian abuse. rebecca ritters is covering development. so for you from there, rebecca,
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do we know more about what exactly happened in boucher what you said it there, these scenes are horrifying. i mean, really unspeakable acts that, that the soldiers of finding the journalist and now witnessing in these liberated towns in the towns that the russians have now been pushed out of retreated from. i mean, it's truly difficult to, to find the words to describe them. you saw some of the images there in that report . we saw a, you know, innocent people, civilians, people in civilian clothings, kit killed on. they have bicycles, people with their hands tied behind their backs, shot in close range in the back of the head. i mean, we've seen mass graves of people with child bodies, it really unspeakable acts, zalinski presidents, lensky and others here, calling this a, calling these crimes wall crimes and, and that is being echoed in the international community. many other ladies from
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other countries, echoing those claims of war crimes, president zalinski was actually in butcher. he visited that town to day and he said actually took it further. he said, these crimes are really tantamount to genocide. now the russians have denied these claims. they say that they couldn't possibly have done them because they left days ago why the pictures of these crimes only coming out now. but in fact, we have seen satellite imagery from a time before the russians had retreated, showing these graves already dug. and the testimony just the eye witness testimony of people being spoken to really matches up in all of the places that people have been in and visited. so it's very hard to understand how this was a done by russian soldiers are very harrowing accounts from those eye witnesses. rebecca, the governing key of re understand is appealing to the world a saying they need more support. what exactly are they asking for right now? they're asking for exactly what they've been asking for all along late. i mean,
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they have reiterated calls for more weapons and of course, more sanctions they, they don't want sympathy. they want the ability to be able to push back the russians they want. they want real time support, real world support him to be able to, to fight this war. and of course, i won't sanction there the calls for stopping oil and gas from russia to be delivered to europe a growing louder, and those calls are starting to be heard from the european side. we're seeing some countries say they are going to stop those imports and other countries saying that they're really looking into speeding up the stopping of those imports. so the similar calls are they also of course want justice for the victims or in, in the towns that we're seeing that have been so brutally treated. they definitely calling for that. they said that they want this to be the last humanitarian you last series of war crimes ever in the world. now reco, we understand russian troops or seem to be retreating from the chief region. a few
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tell us more about what the situation is at the moment. yes, while these troops have been retreating, they're being pushed out of these areas that we've seen around cave and in other cities in the north, the genevieve area that is being seen as a victory by the ukrainian army of course. and definitely a morale booster for the military and potentially a marolla down of for the russians in terms of morale there. but this war is by no means over layla as we expected. and as we were hearing ukrainian military saying that russians are regrouping reorganizing to intensify attacks in the eastern region, particularly the area of don bass home to hans and don. yet we both russian held town since 2014, but they want to widen out the attacks there. and of course, all the port fees, the key port, city of magic, who paul, which has been under bombardment since pretty much the beginning of this war. and
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on the weekend we also saw an attack on the other key port city of desa, that the 1st time that had been attacked, but ukrainian military. and everyone here is expecting those attacks to ramp up now that russian forces regrouping and focusing on that region. d, w correspondents. rebecca renters reporting from western ukraine ukraine. levine. rebecca, thank you while we can talk now to ashley reedy, she is a human rights lawyer and an expert on war crimes. she's the senior legal advisor at human rights watch a very warm welcome back to w news. ashley. i want to start by asking you has human rights watch been able to establish what exactly happened in butcher thank you. layla. no, we haven't been able to establish i'm serving the scope of what's happened in boucher we are i think in the same position as other people investigating in the
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sense that access to the area has only recently become available. we have been so what we have done and what we, what came out as the weekend was and we were able to document one witness account of a woman who had, you know, actually i witnessed a summary execution where men had be lined up in a row for them kneeling down, and one of them had their t shirt pulled over their head and then was shot in the back of the head. and the others were ultimately not killed, but the body was left line there. so we do know that there have been war crimes that we've spoken to people who witness war crimes being having, being committed there. obviously we're seeing now other evidence of suggest there has been a number of war crimes committed, but it's still early stages. and like everybody else were trying to piece together, both in boucher and in other areas where which were under russian occupation since you know the end of february already march what, what has happened. so it's going to be,
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i think people have to be careful not to rush to too many conclusions. it's going to be important to carefully document the evidence to try to tell the stories of each of the bodies that have been discovered. and then to put together, you know, whole and compelling case about what happened to, to, to the victims and how they can, we can move forward and get justice for them. what constitutes a war crime? this is a very, it's a good question kind of, it's a very question in a way, i mean a war crime is a serious violation of the laws of war when committed intentionally, so that's deliberately or recklessly. so for example, up until recently people have been mainly focused on the attacks in which many civilians have been killed or civil in buildings have been damaged and that they may also be war crimes. and when they were, depending on what exactly the russians were targeting and the weapons that the russians used. so for example, we know they use cluster munitions, cluster munitions is an indiscriminate weapon. and it was a war crime to,
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to use them in a civil in area. in this case, you know, where we actually have eye witnesses, who are able to identify summary executions. whether that was of a soldier or a civilian, or a p o w. it's not so much as a matter because that form of summary execution is a serious violation of the law of war and would be a war crime. so there are arranged, there were a lot of different types of actions or which can be, which can be war crimes under the geneva conventions and under the statute of the international criminal court. now if you allow me, i want to bring up a quote from the french president amendment my car, who today said, referring to the killings in boucher. he said that international justice must take care of this. and those who committed these crimes will have to answer for them. so that brings me to you and your important work that you do. how likely is it that an individual or a group of people can be identified as being directly responsible for
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these acts? i think they're there. i think it's very, it's quite likely. i mean, i think that for them, i think there's probably quite a lot known about the, the russian military and how it operates and who might be in charge of of different battalions and different units. and not so it's, i think there's going to be evidence there of, of who was operating where, when different war crimes were committed. and there's going to be in to some extent, you know, i witness testimony that may help narrow down who's responsible. but i think we should also bear in mind that both under international humanitarian law and for the purposes of the international criminal course, they're going to look to go after those who are most responsible. which may not mean the person who pull the trigger on the ground, but who was in charge of that particular operation. who was the commander and should've known what was going on, could have prevented it failed to punish it, and that's known as command responsibility. so i think what you're likely going to
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see is a number of prosecutions brought against people at different levels within the russian military who bore responsibility for the operations for areas that were under occupation where evidence becomes available, that war crimes to place. and those are the sorts of people who may end up ultimately in the international criminal course. or indeed, any number of the national investigations. we know that a number of national prosecution officers have opened investigations and which may lead to prosecutions and that so, as i said before, actually tomorrow is the opening of a trial against the leader of the militia in dar for, for very, very serious crimes that were committed there in 20032004. so sometimes it takes some time for people to, to brought to justice. but i think just given a, frankly, the, the focus on ukraine and the number of international organizations on national prosecutors who are alert to the need to investigate. i would be i would be pretty optimistic
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that we will see people brought it brought to trial for some of the crimes ashlyn already senior legal advisor, human rights watch an expert on war crimes. thank you very much. we appreciate your insights. thank you very much. taylor meanwhile, johnny has condemned the killings of civilians in butcher as terrible or crimes that cannot go unanswered. vice chancellor, an economy minister, robert hobbin, says berlin is preparing fresh sanctions together with its european allies window customer. i strongly believe that we can go much further and is with seen how effective the sanctions are. we have also seen were sanctions that for tentatively been able to be circumvented. um, disease we have seen were, we can impose more bands on technical cooks and thus further the stabilize and weaken the russian economy. distribution on shan cries. assume that this will also be reflected this week in the further 50 large sanctions package in germany's vice
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chancellor. there speaking moments ago did of yours chief political editor, michela, griffin of joyce's, now mikayla, the vice chancellor, mister herbert signaling that sanctions against russia can go much further. is this a galvanizing moment? what can we expect to happen? well, we do expect that 5th, a package of sanctions. also that would be why there's also the noise is that we're hearing out of brussels at the moment. and the big question is how detailed they will be in germany's vice chancellor. what topic is also the energy minister indicated that they would be more targeted with individuals, individual people that is hinting more than hinting towards oligarchs. he's also since cooled a and another press conference for today of relating to gas problems, german operations, that's gas storage. an infrastructure here, and we're expecting a further move that is,
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comes off the back of the gas from announcing that it would sell those operations. so there's a big question mark whether they would now be bought by the german state. so, and that is a further step that would reduce russian influence here. but in terms of taxes, we are expecting an announcement to come over the next 48 hours either out of brother, no brussels. no. in the meantime i'm here. germany has come again under a lot of criticism for its refusal to support an embargo on russian energy in force . i mean, just earlier today, the polish prime minister accused germany of being quote, the biggest break when it comes to tougher sanctions saying, and this is a direct quote. it's not the voices of german companies or german billionaires that should be heard loudly in berlin today. it's the voice of innocent women and children, the voice of those murdered that should be heard. he's not missing his words there . i mean, how has this gone down in berlin?
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yes, this comes also, as there is criticism from ukraine's ambassador here in germany. proponent, of course, is the country that is just as dependent from russia when it comes to entity, particularly also gas. and with the poles at the same time, not really showing the willingness themselves to impose sanctions immediately there . so clearly they want leadership out of germany out of berlin, and this is where germany still is drawing that red line that it would do so much damage, determine industry that it would weaken germany and also weaken germany's ability to support ukraine. that's where we stand many eastern countries, particularly also in the baltics, and it's simply aren't buying that. and here at germany we'll have to deliver in terms of that new sanctions package for that criticism. it certainly won't go way too, but to no longer be quite as loud did ever use chief political at or mikayla griffon are reporting. thank you. mckayla. well, i,
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when prudence forces invaded ukraine. russians who were against the war joint protests around the world. but nothing showed their fellow protesters that they were russian. so the idea of a new russian peace flag was born on the very 1st day of russia's invasion of ukraine, designer chi katana took to the streets of berlin in protest. first with banners, then came realized that russians like her hero post to the war, need their own flag. well, born english though and the still, the russians are invisible at this protest, last new, even we don't look any different from ukrainians. so everyone thinks that we are not protesting and that we support the war with us. so we realized that we needed a symbol to show we are russians war against the war. even there is a young for defining a white flag with a blue stripe became that symbol. it wasn't the idea of a single person, but of many. for them,
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the red in the russian flag represents blood and violence. so they replaced it. came makes the flags only soon motion at home flung border with against the ball mozilla. your boy da dia is that every one can make the flag from fabric they can buy at the local store. the color on my flag isn't a deal. i've got paper that is better, the fabric is too green. many people are using colored paper belonging to their children. that's why there is no specific tone of blue that should be used. no one is mass producing dyslexia. exactly. we did the once in 3 lives on the heather. the flag has appeared at rallies around the world in london, new york, tele leaf and other cities. russian authorities have also noticed it and banned
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from being used at public events. on the streets of berlin, the new flag has parked a lot of interest. k has received lots of positive feedback from germans, russians, and ukrainians. the main colors of anti war movement in berlin. a still the yellow and blue of ukraine's national flag. but white and blue and becoming more prominent every day, want to reach out now to elena gave us, she is a russian activist from the democrat, see a protest movement. and one of the organizers of weekly anti war demonstrations outside the russian embassy in the germany, capital of berlin. so good to have you with us. how big is the russian anti war protest movement in russia? would you say? oh as i say that in general, it is quite big, but unfortunately it was much bigger in the beginning. we saw a lot in the 1st weeks before, but unfortunately not so much lake amanda due to the fact that is except it's
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sounds terrifying and you lost russia up to reach. you can go up to 20 years in jail, also for vs to basing in a meeting in an anti war meeting. so now a lot of people are scarce and you have a lot of repressions within organizations within companies that people are being fired. teachers are being fired, doctors are being fired. so right now i would say the movement has gone down the notch, mainly because of the fear that people experience on a daily basis. and elena, when you, when you talk to friends and family back home, what did they tell you? well, just today in the morning, for instance, i was talking to my grand mother and my grand mother. she goes to church and she thinks they're in the choir. so at some point they will take it to the sides and ask to raise their hands whole full war, or who will put in and or against. and my grandmother was the only person who raised her hands against fortune. and after that, she was recommended to not visit the church again. my friends participated in an
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anti war meeting in st. petersburg on saturday. and she got to read if she got 5 days in detention for that. so the girlfriend got the dash for that. my other equations got his hands broken and the police said that you broke it himself. so in general, people that i communicate with people from st. petersburg the are the ga very much against the war. but again, and they're majority, they count doing think and that's kind of ties you have and i want to is, is information about the war seeping in? how do, how do they find out what's happening? i think by now there are actually very few sources of information available in russia independent information. one of them would be due to which is still not blocked, but from what we see, it's a matter of date and the other sources telegram and older independent telegram channels. but it is important to state here that people on the specific age group have availability to those sources. for instance, people who are older,
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they don't use youtube or telegram or even phone sometimes. so for those people, i would say the information is almost 100 percent. how is the information that we are getting? here are the images that we're seeing? how is that shaping the russian diasporas and russian speaking diasporas attitude to this war in russia or abroad? how was it, what we're seeing here? how is it shaping views of what's happening in ukraine? so for instance, the community here in berlin that you're part of. and i know you can't really generalize, but how do they feel about what they're seeing right now happening in ukraine? i think we are pretty likely thinking that it is a war crime and to be honest or crime is too general of a statement that doesn't include in itself over tears and corners that come with it . we are all terrified we are all extremely upset. i. i don't even know what war to be honest to find. he's just monstrous what, what has happened?
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there was still happening there. and i, guy, a russian activist from the democrats. c, a protest movement here in berlin. thank you very much for your time. thank you for sharing your views with us. or meanwhile, mr. zalinski year made a speech at the grammy's was followed by john leisure performing his new song free with ukrainian exiles, including singer actress micah newtown for louis netapp sing process. i will no were, am in your washing d w. news. a reminder of our main story, this, our russian forces are being accused of committing mass atrocities before
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retreating from areas near the ukrainian capital key footage of debt civilians and st in the streets of butcher have sparked outrage with some leaders calling the killing war crimes and germany has all the shots, has joined other western leaders in condemning what appears to be the deliberate killings of civilians and they have threatened moscow with further tougher sanction . you're watching the every news coming up next sunday that we news asia august on prime minister in but on hans political troubles and how we got there and how football is giving these kids and india what they have in short supply of dreams. all that and all that more coming up in just a moment on the w news age. i'm little rock and berlin on behalf of all of this year. thank you for making as part of your day can use consider right after this.
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