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ah ah this is the w news live from by laying, growing evidence of a civilian massacre by russian soldiers near keith dead bodies, some with their hands bound discovered in the streets of the capital suburbs. modem is the lensky accusers, moscow of genocide. the school is which needs of the disease or war crimes and will be recognized by the world as genocide which when it was not when you were here and can see what happened for yourself. children bush in the wake of a is
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a parent of this. the parent mascot, germany's foreign minister, and i'm says, moves to expel all teeth russian diplomats on to increase russian sanctions over the years, the u. s. top climate scientists say it is now or never to say the plot is a new report wants a climate change could spin out of control without swift and drastic cuts to the use of fossil fuels. ah, i'm fil gail. welcome to the program. the grading president vladimir savanski has accused russia of genocide after the discovery of hundreds of bodies in the town butcher. near the capital cave images of mass graves and bodies showing signs of torture sparked widespread international condemnation. several e u countries are pushing for tougher sanctions against russia. moscow claims the
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killings were staged. and next report contained some disturbing images. ah, bodies lined the streets, a future. evidence of russian atrocities. coming to light filling the liberation of this town. yeah, he's the other one. ukraine authorities say over 400 corpses have been found in areas written, taken by its forces with a visible shaken present floating me zalinski, visited to show on monday. he called on russia to come to the negotiation table before it's too late. he lives, i almost ain't mitchum lucia, wouldn't i? she's giving it out as a dagger brought us the longer russia delays, the talks, the worse it is for them to be glad. because every day when our troops advance and the trailer territory which the sky, you see what's going on will yet not to alaska. it deals. it's very difficult to conduct negotiations. when you see what they did here, which is close, not as goliath away or just let us go any could that to me just the images out of
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boucher have shocked the wild. you as president joe biden bow to continue support for ukraine. echo cooled by other leaders for an international investigation. may remember, i got criticized who calling to the war criminal. volunteer of the matter. though it happened rufus, this war, he is a war. but we have to gather the probation. we can you to provide you great without weapons id to continue the fight. here we have to gather all the detail. so this, the v, i actually have a war farm trial e u commission that was left on de lion said in a tweet, the european union was rapes and investigation teams to ukraine. the russians have been pushed out of marcia and away from keith to hold sizable territory in the east and south of the country. the fear is that the longer they
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remain in ukraine, the more civilians will end up in body bags. and so indeed have been correspondent, nick connelly, who was in boucher early a welcome. nick, what did you say? i saw a city in sha, christie, that basically has been destroyed that even before it could be fully finished. this is a very young suburb of give lots of high rise new apartment blocks that have been basically a ruined while still under construction. can you see a lot of people on the shell shock, happy to see outside as they were cut off from the outside world, basically a month. but a mix of kind of hope relief and a very am shocked energy. people very keen to tell their stories to share what they've been through the last few months am and we were at the main a grave site next to our church. and we believe based on what people there told us
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that about 100 people are lying there in several layers. those right at the bottom that you can see in parts have, which is buried in what they were walking in when, as the locals told us, they were shot on the streets and then collected by neighbors, another ukrainian, or locals who brought them there to get them off the streets in the middle ave got people who basically wrapped in the dovey or some so i kind of bed cover. and then the top layer, people are in body bags, and the lrc associates tried as best they could to collect the passports, to, or any i the kind of id that were on these people when they were found on the streets to bill to reconstruct who they were and to let their next of kin know. we went to the cellar of a children, saw their camp, where the ukrainian se, several people were executed with holmes type on their backs. the bodies had been recovered by those or to stay, but there was still a stain bloodstains on the walls, bullets lying around close. it's a very extraordinary and disorienting place to be and the most extra right,
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because the rest of ukraine and most people here live in care of like journalists were hearing the artillery shells in the distance. it's only 25 kilometers, kind of direct line from downtown kia but they weren't able to get there for weeks and weeks and weeks. there wasn't reliable phone or in 2nd and for a long time. so people was hearing this were fearing the worst we're hearing awful things, people's managed get out, but weren't able to actually go and take look themselves until the last few days. and it sounds from, from what you're saying that there was no shortage of people. the actor to witness what actually happened. that's right. and the 20th ortiz are now being very proactive in trying to collect those eye witness accounts. a few days ago we were another part of the care of region where the ukrainians have come back and re taking control and recent days. and soon as you enter that region, you get an automatic text message encouraging you to a report, whatever you've experienced to a government website and,
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and even on the local level. so those people who collected the bodies, talking about their attempt now to try and find those next of kin to they have lists of the dead that they found. and now trying to not having to, you know, in part for the most part, there still isn't internet or mobile phone connection in future. but now trying to get back on social media to then try and find the road to these people based on the names based on the place where these people are found. one of the most haunting things i heard today was from an older woman who had spent the most past month hiding in house scared of leaving. and she talked about her son in law who had gone out to try and buy some food and been shot. but not only that, they'd found him fairly quickly, but they weren't able to recover the body for weeks. because they were scared that if they went out on to the roads where it was dangerous, that they would also lose their lives. and they also took a mines and supposedly bodies being covered with mines or booby trapped so that there would be a direct physical danger threat to people's lives. if they tried to get those bodies back and they'd only be able to recover that body in the last few days of to
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weeks of that body lying on the road, a quick word about the russian response. a nick, sag a love. the foreign minister has dismissed this as part of a west and dis information. so presumably we were not going to expect any help from the russian side in investigating the death. i think that's a given but for now it doesn't seem like they're advancing any alternative explanations. as to how these people died, i think it's worth taking a look back to 2014 and the dumbass conflict in the downing of the image. 17 for flight over dawn, best buy. what was then later established a russian missile back then, the russian government came up with new versions every couple of weeks that were then soon discounted or just ignored by their own side. but i think back then that the tactic seems to be into the advance. whatever it took any kinds of kind of possible explanations to distract from the situation on the ground in the hope that eventually people will lose interest and not bother following it up. but as we've
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seen since the dutch will thirty's have spent years investigating that, finding out down to the last person who was responsible down the chain of command and then now advancing those charges against people who will be tried in absentia over there. in russia, they're not available to that court, but years of work did minister achieve a clear picture of what happened back then in 2014. so i think the hope hearing you came up with something, some will be possible. ok, thank you for that sir. nick nick connelly. well, nora love is emergency director, the international rescue committee and is currently leading the team in ukraine. welcome to d, w. m. have you i wanted to been hearing or had you been hearing rumors of the sorts of events as you went about your, your business? i hadn't been hearing that any iris is shocked in paul at this says is killing the conflict. ukraine has gone to long and the international community must step up its
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efforts to find a diplomatic solution. the civilian life must be protected and we can't afford to be a witness to another crisis like this. and i how of the people that you've been helping a very reacted to this news. i say we're focusing with our local partners on stabilizing the health systems in easton, ukraine. we're looking to support people with cash and basic needs and respond to the trauma. as a move out of some of these areas for the central and further west of ukraine to or even on to europe and countries. so, you know, we're focusing on that working with providing pharmaceuticals, medical supplies and equipment, and reinforcing the health actors through technical support. so, you know, we are trying to provide the, the services and the aid were that most needed because where we had heard some, some terrible things about food and water shortages in the life kiva. and mattie appalled so are things that now improving. i mean, there are,
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there seems to be some relief, but you know, we call our c cause with other actors to, you know, have free access and to provide the services to get these services back. going in these areas, we want, you know, the rules of international law to be respected and just to have a sense of humanity throughout the country. you say that you're calling for, for free access to the areas what is entering your access at the moment. and there's still hasn't been consistent free access to get convoys and other things like that. so we're calling on all actors to ensure that the humanitarian aid and access code to monitor and laws is allowed. so we just need people to respect those, including the protection of civilian lives and infrastructure. ok, thank you for joining us. nora love from the international rescue committee. thank
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you. well, following the discovery of all those bodies in boucher germany has declared to 40 officials of the russian embassy in berlin to be undesirable. persons effectively expelling them from the country. france is also expelling a number of russian diplomats, german foreign minister, another, and a bare box at germany would also boost it support to ukraine's armed forces and titan economic sanctions against russia. he let us again involved in a sunny images of the past weekend have once again highlighted a new, brutal dimension of this war with the most serious war crimes and crimes against humanity. and that is why i made it clear over the weekend that we must not only close the remaining loopholes in the sanction system, but that we must also intensively and rigorously implement this package. once mit blick and with regard to ukraine, self defense, as i said, that we will now also examine things that we have not examined before. let's get
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more from to it. of your political correspondent, thomas sparrow. thompson spot would start with a simple question. so we're all clear, germany's call for even more sanctions. this is a direct result of these discovers boucher absolutely. and something else as a direct result of the discoveries of those bodies and that massacre in boucher is the decision to expel those 40 diplomats with germany's interior minister only a while ago. stressing that it's all about securing germany, maintaining official security. if you will, public security against russian lies and propaganda as germany is interior minister stress. and we've also heard the official russian reaction to all that coming from the russian embassy here in berlin. stressing that they presented their view to german officials of what happened in butcher. they rejected germany's announcement of those 40 diplomats being expelled. stressing that germany's unfriendly actions
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would not be left without consequences. we still don't know exactly what those consequences would be. but according to the russian officials, they stressed that this basically damages russian, german relations even more and makes dialogue even more difficult between both countries. from a german perspective, clearly decision related to what we're seeing from ukraine and also on the line of our book, the foreign minister stressing that this is only the beginning, that more actions are actually expected. okay, so what other cars does germany have to play? because as you say, they're already stringent, are measures in place. strengthening already existing sanctions is something that germany is government and i know babcock in particular stressed. but that is something that germany will probably not do unilaterally that something of germany will probably work hand in hand with its european allies. what germany is
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still reluctant to do, unlike some of its european allies, is to impose an embargo on russian energy imports that some the german government, the german go and believes it would actually harm germany more than it would harm russia. and that's why germany has said that it needs more time before supporting such a decision that it's not entirely against it. what it's entirely against is doing it immediately. because that would certainly affect germany to an extent that germany does certainly does not want. in fact, we've heard from german officials in the past say that that could lead to a recession to mass unemployment, to poverty. so that's why government officials, in particular, a so reluctant to support an immediate embargo on russian energy inputs. thank you for thomas. i did of the political correspondent, thomas barrow will roster the day will continue to bring you all the latest on the situation in ukraine. right now though, we'll take a quick look at some other news making headlines. we'll start here in germany,
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where most shops were allowed to welcome customers without masks today for the 1st time since the pandemic began. germany has dropped most rules meant to contain bee corona virus. despite continued high rates of infection, masks are still required on public transport. and in health care facilities, officials in the chinese city of shanghai say all of its 26000000 residents have been tested for kogan and the cities been under strict locked down to combat. rising corona, virus infection. numbers with about 9000 cases reported on sunday. russian forces invaded ukraine. russians who were against the war joint protest around the world. but i had no way of showing fellow protesters that they were russian to be idea of a new russian peace flag was bore. on the very 1st day of russia's invasion of ukraine, designer k katana took to the streets of berlin in protest. first with banners,
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then k realised that russians like her, her post to the war, need their own flag. well, born english though and the still the russians are invisible at this protest last new even we don't look any different from ukrainians. so everyone think that we are not protesting and that we support the war with the any because so we realized that we needed a symbol to show we are russians war against the war. even there is a young for defining a white flag with a blue stripe became that symbol. it wasn't the idea of a single person, but of many. for them, the red in the russian flag represents blood and violence. so they replaced it. came, makes the flags only soon. musson at home flung order would take him to go with you. your boy d idea is that every one can make the flag from fabric. they can buy at the local
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store. the color on my flag isn't a deal. i've got paper that is better, the fabric is too green. many people are using colored paper belonging to their children. that's why there is no specific tone of blue that should be used. no one is mass producing dyslexia. exactly. we did the once and the release all the have. the flight has appeared at rallies around the world in london, new york, tele leaf and other cities. russian authorities have also noticed it and banned from being used at public events. on the streets of berlin, the new flag has parked a lot of interest. kate has received lots of positive feedback from germans, russians, and ukrainians. the main colors of anti war movement in berlin. i still the yellow and blue of the cranes national flag. but white and blue and becoming more
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prominent every day. let's consider the russian resistance to this war than with natalie arno, who is president of the free russia foundation that the u. s. based at n g o that informs you as policy makers on events in russia and supports the countries democratic development. she joins us from washington. welcome to d, w. i mean, you said the pro democracy russians are in this tragedy together with ukrainians. what did you mean by that? well, i mean that her, this war, this song, worst possible nightmare, the worst possible scenario that is happening is the moment. this is not the war. only the war ha, of russia against ukraine. it's actually the war between the dictatorship and democratic world, and we put them are going to rush and we are fighting with this dictatorship from the very like from the beginning and occupied the russia 1st before he started to attack its neighbors. before he started to attack the democratic world,
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that's why we ought to be other. we do never thing even in 2008, we were standing together with georgia in 2014. we're standing together with ukraine and we're doing a lot of things. one of the main programs of my organization, the advocacy on behalf of kremlin political prisoners and the very big group of those is ukranian hostages of the common climate that are yes. so this is why it is as soon as this war began, we are together. we are doing a lot of things, we're doing vacations, we are doing submitted and assistance to plane and we don't everything we can locate and for walking in a for more military, suppose people are going to look at this and pop. so command, you're actually wonder how effective you can be from outside russia. well, hi, if you are inside russia, there are a lot of repressive legislation which keep coming constantly. one of the latest on
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this least as, as the law on the state. the reason i am the you can be in jail even using the word the war for 15 years. so it's quite dangerous to express your anti war position being in russia and the, even before that's the way enough depressive legislation to be that the criminalize over the area. so any activity, any expression of, of descent was a code and rational museum, right? so for many russians it's. ringback safer to continue the fight for a free russia for the soul of our country been abroad. this is actually my story in 2012. i was threatened to be in jail for 20 years for a reason just for leading democracy promotion organization. and so i had to flee on a 48 hour notice. and then in freedom democratic world,
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i establish rush foundation just from scratch from my kitchen table, the one person. but now what is in my organization? it's already a global movement of rush and we are everywhere. so it's again, everybody can be much more influential and insightful being free. and so there you are in washington, your organization informs us, policymakers are on events in russia. what more would you like to see the bite in administration do? well, how real was sir thought the whole thing since i'm good, but there would be too late or with the toledo. and of course, if for all the sanctions were introduced 80082014, lisa foster and larger distribution might be completely different. and what is more important at the moment is trans atlantic unity. because for russia, many, much more hurtful sanctions are sanctions from the you. and what we see while this
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new package of thinks of because of the war is the still very impactful, especially in the long term perspective. on steel. again, all this energy experts, the money from an expert, the josh is going to get this year will be even bigger than what you want before the war. yes. so it should be much more much more condemnation between the us and to be in union, and it should be definitely an energy embargo, russian, i guess, um, oil and petroleum products. understood, thank you so much for outlining a physician that natalia on of the free of russia foundation. thank you. thank you . laurie ukraine has prompted many european countries to take steps to decrease their reliance on rushing gas on to accelerate to shift towards green energy. but experts, a climate action is still not happening fast enough, united nations climate scientists have just released
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a landmark report on what needs to happen to ensure a livable future on the planet. and it says that serious cuts to carbon pollution is necessary and the world needs to act. now. the world is hurtling towards a climate danger zone and the options to avoid it of running out the assessment of the new i. p. c. c. report is clear, drastic action is needed to avert catastrophic global warming. the un secretary general set the report reveal the litany of broken climate promises. some government and business leaders are saying one thing, but doing and others simply put, they are lying. and the results will be catastrophic. these is a climate emergency climate scientists sworn that we are already perilously close to tipping points that could lead to cascading and irreversible climate impacts. climate impact that is leading to more extreme weather events. the world is on
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a pathway to exceed that $1.00 degrees celsius warming limit agreed at cop $21.00 in paris. if we continue acting as we are now, we're not even going to limit warming to 2 degrees. never, never mind 1.5 degrees, emissions in the last decade were the highest they have ever been of continued to increase. scientists say emissions must peak by 2025 to prevent disastrous climate effect. and that only a drastic reduction will secure a livable future. the big message we've got, you know, human activities got us into this problem and human agency can actually get us out of it again on i think that's the hopeful message that we're trying to get over in this report. it's not the hope, it's not all lost. we really have the chance to do something the world must leave behind the age of fossil fuels. the un says of face the disastrous consequences of climate change or the gram has got a dose of reality. this year when ukrainian present velasmio zalinski appeared in
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a pre recorded speech amid the ongoing invasion of his country by russia. i speaking in english to the audience that the music awards ceremony in the united states in the u. s. city of los angeles. he spoke about the power of music in dark times, equating war with silence. we defend our freedom to live, to lots of south on our land. we are fighting russia, which brings horrible silence with its bumps. the dead silence filled his hands with your music till it to day to tell our story. tell the truth about the war on your social net or some tv support us in any way can any but not science and ambitious law, only presidents that as his speech was followed by john legend performing his new song free with ukrainian exiles, including singer, actress macon you ah,
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