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on sunday, i did want to live with them. i had a serious problems on a personal level, and i was unable to live there with me. you want to know their story, migrant clarified and reliable information for migrant. graham president vladimir zalinski addresses the united nations security council for the 1st time since russia launched a full scale assault on his country. he listed the atrocities committed by russian forces in the last several weeks and he demanded justice and accountability for the lives taken in the town of boucher calling. the killings there a massacre. zalinski also urge the council to strip russia of its veto power. i am abby, called austin in berlin, and this is the day ah,
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the world can see that the russian, what the russian military did in boucher united states has the sense that members of russia's forces have committed war crimes. it's a deliver campaign to kill the torture. to write the world has yet to see what they have done in other occupied it is, i'm afraid they will see more muskrats, more atrocities. accountability must be inevitable. also on the day, russian troops have withdrawn from around key, but the threat of a new offensive is gathering boston. you will see little it in the main focus of the enemy is to prepare for the resumption of offensive operations to surround ukrainian troops and capture the city of how to keep him credit. ah,
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welcome to the program. ukrainian president vladimir zalinski has taken his diplomatic campaign against russia's war on ukraine to the united nations security council in an emergency session called to discuss the killings of ukrainian civilians in the town of boucher and near the capital. zalinski accused russian troops of war crimes. he also demanded a reform of the security council to remove russia's veto power. here's the ukrainian president. so where is the security that the security council needs to guarantee it's not there, although there is a security council, a so on where is they? peace who were in what were those guarantees that the united nation needs to guarantee it is obvious that they key institution of their world, which must ensure that the coercion of an aggressive to me is simply cannot
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work effectively. now the world can see that their russian mil, what the russian military did in boucher while keeping the city under their occupation. but the world has yet to see what they have done in other occupied cities and regions of our country. geography might be different of various bud. cruelty is the same. crimes are the same. and accountability must be inevitable. catarina booth, sol, she's a lawyer from ukraine, specializing, and international humanitarian and criminal law. miss all, thank you for taking the time to speak to d w. now president zalinski says, what we're seeing in boucher are war crimes genocide. russia says it's all fake. how does international law see it? ah, there is strong evidence to believe that war crimes have been perpetrated in boucher and allegedly in other areas. there's also
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a possibility to claim the situation of the crimes against humanity, which is a wide fred or systematic attack against the civilian population. and indeed, there have been the discussions about the possible genocidal intent, which is a high restful to prove under international law. because there should be an intention to destroy all over and part one of the groups. and one of the groups going to be a national grade given sudden, statements by russia's leadership, want to derives what ortiz was, one could start thinking about, such in pension and of course, in law, the presumption of innocence in criminal law is paramount. but certain images are deeply disturbing in terms of, you know, the civilian seen what the burned bodies and tight hands and short from behind. so there is
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a strong evidence for possible arrests warrants either internationally by the international criminal court because it launched an investigation into the situation in march in ukraine. biggest ukraine can have been conducting conflicts related proceedings since 2014 and also in the number of foreign judith diction national for injured addiction. and the office of the prosecutor general of ukraine has reported so far that 9 countries have opened investigations into alleged conflict related violations in ukraine, including germany, the baltic states, coolant, sweden, france, and some others. now you've been documenting sexual violence in russia's warn ukraine since crimea was annex, and people have been telling you about the heretic acts of violence committed against them in recent weeks. so as far as the images that we're seeing, you're hearing personal accounts, what have they been telling you i'm,
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i must specify that i worked with survivors who have suffered from rapes and other forms of sexual violence perpetrated by the russia controlled ropes since 2014. but before february, it was my direct experience and there were cases of rapes, sexualized, torture, and other forms of sexual violence in places of unlawful detention in the self proclaimed gold. doing it's kind of gone. people republics that have been accounts of sexual violence in the occupied territories. and of course, we are getting to the new threshold of violence. now as the case is from the currently temporarily occupied territories emerge. and we heard that there is at least one notice of suspicion concerning the female survivor from the northern areas of the cave region who was raped after her husband was killed by
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2 russian service. people and they increasingly more reports from northern eastern area. so ukraine and from sovereign areas of ukraine, where the russian troops have been stationed or still there. now, rape is often under reported as we know, and certainly more so in conflict zoned. how difficult is it to gather these accounts, this evident and document these work crimes? a sexual violence inflicts just one of the types of b alleged war crimes for crimes against humanity, which are notoriously hard to document for this school. should be an incentive for this virus and a witness to come up and peek and they should feel safe about it. certain organizations, including last product, have reported that they use the call from survivors. but the, the, the, the excess cute to provide an actual help to them is of course impeded by the fact
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that they're in the occupied surgeries. it's very important that you great and has specialized approach to these big tim and ukraine has been developing a specialized investigative strategy which would be sensitive to read the former ties. these particular survivors. and the prince has also been developing this specific respiration program for these types of but i should stress that while domestically ukraine has been dealing with conflict related crimes including sexual violence, cement, 14 of the prosecutors, the investigators involved in such cases, they were based in cave and largely in east, in the area. so all other investigators and prosecutors around the country. they did not really face these cases because they were not of such a large scale. so now it's also important to ensure that this professional
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development and the sensitize ation of ukraine's investigative prosecutors and judges who deal with conflict connected crimes, especially sexual violence. their personnel as ation is insured, so that when they conduct the proceedings, they don't have a traumatized. the survivors and they, well, they also help them and their wider families. i think we see the indications god, this is understood. the prosecutor general has thought specific advised from her current advisory group from britain and the united states concerned in rape and other forms of sexual violence. so i'm hoping that this recognition that the specialized approach is needed for this particular type of violence. and for these particular virus that it's there and that will see the more sensitized approach to these cases in ukraine, covering of the saw ukranian war with chatham. how thank you very much for your
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insights. thank you for having. ah, russia denies accusations that its troops committed. war crimes, in boucher a kremlin spokesperson insists the allegation were, quote, monstrous forgery. aimed at denigrating the russian army. but mounting evidence contradicts russia's claims that the killings occurred. after its forces withdrew from the town. the new york times has published satellite images which show a street in boucher this 1st image is from february 28th before russian troops could control of the town. the 2nd image now is from mid march when the russian military occupied boucher. this outlines the bodies of civilians which have been there for weeks. our next gas is malarkey brown. he's with the new york times visual investigations team. marquee thank you for taking the time to speak to d w. now walk us through the process of verification. how did your team reach this
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conclusion that the bodies had actually been there for 3 weeks while russia was still in control of the town? yes, thanks. it began with those images that emerged at the weekend after what russia had withdrawn, ukrainian officials and sterner school finally getting documented twice was left behind. and we started by confirming the location of those videos and pictures and really just nothing i was square victims were found of course, many refunding basements at homes, under trees and whatnot. i believe we focused on the open areas because as you say, russia was very quick not to launch an investigation into this evidence, but to refuse to deny that it's mostly had anything to do with us. and really what it was, it was quite a simple exercise of going back through the archive of satellite injury through the
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month of march to see if we could spot those bodies appearing on the st prior to march 30th, which was the russian claim of when these bodies appeared after david's drawn and that's what we found that from the already a satellite image or we had on march 9th. you could see those bodies in those positions along about a half a mile of one per fare and butcher. now use publicly available data. in this instance, there were satellite images and other instances, images off, social media. what are some of the steps that you use to verify the footage that's posted on twitter or on facebook? well it's, it's who, where was it seemed it's, it's a basic journalist questions. can we identify exactly where this picture or video was taken when it was taken through weather reports method data, which is like fi information that's embedded within the in videos,
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corroborating with other information that we're getting from the town. we're photographers and reporters in boucher over the last few days as well, who spoke to witnesses and the visual evidence in this case just serves to support what witnesses have told us in boucher and in other parts of ukraine were rushing forces with withdrawn from today. we're just about to publish actually new video from that same intersection in boucher that shows a convoy of 20 or more russian military vehicles in that position where we found more than a dozen bodies. so we know now that they were situated there. and we also see them firing heavy calibre around us, a cyclist who turns the corner. i thought intersection. it was one of the more graphic bodies that we did, carnes show yesterday, but we're showing it today because that body is found again, the exact position which the russians fire on the person in already march. so aside from the satellite images you now have video of russian troops firing on civilians
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on that very same stretch of area. correct. so when russia says all of this happen after their troops pulled out in your mind, given the evidence that you've collected and verified their line is conclusive evidence that their military was there, was active and was firing as people on the street where those bodies were found. weeks later, baki brown with the new york times visual investigations team. thank you very much . thanks. ah. while russian forces have left the key region, moscow is mounting new attacks in the east. russia has set its focus is now on taking control of the don bass region and key eastern cities like crime, a tourist ukrainian officials, warren, that moscow is trying to encircle its forces in the area and say, they expect heavy fighting ahead. trying to reach safety ahead of the expected
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russian offensive. here in crown. the tools can ukraine's east internet's region residence, awaiting unpacked roads and squeezing on to full trains. ukrainian officials are expecting fierce fighting here in the days ahead. as russian forces focus on the east, after being pushed back elsewhere, even those who have chosen to remain like this volunteer helping people at crematory train station, a worried about what lies ahead. luis, muslin. you still have the latest rumors that we hear. they are from official sources, are that russia is moving its troops to the east, tennessee, and we will be surrounded muscle enough. it could turn into a 2nd, mary, you, paul, here she said that this is william that only my to grandma tools because already come under increased russian shelling in recent days. after being largely sped the destruction scene and other eastern cities like hawk eve to the north west. ukraine, 2nd largest city has been under
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a relentless bombardment for weeks residence. a bracing for nude russian offensive . bostonians will say, leveled in the main focus of the enemy, is to prepare for the resumption of the offensive operations to surround ukrainian troops and capture the city of harkin, credit q. while rushes efforts to take the city have made little progress since their invasion began. it remains to be seen with a hockey's defenders can hold on as moscow brings even more force to back for further analysis. last spring in katya glo gosh, she's an author and a former correspondent in both moscow and washington. her specialty is russian affairs and international security policy. thank you for being with us now. what put and wants ukraine is unwilling to give? is there anything in this moment that might force the russian president to turn his troops around to stop this war? nothing and be that we can see at this point in time, certainly,
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and clearly this war, planned or imagined by jean and his people. it does not go as planned. he believed you know, in the blue creek 3 days and then the victory parade. and then later on, maybe in moscow and the red square. this is not happening as we see now, but she can not lose this war. so at some point, she has to declare victory. and many experts think that on may, 9th, the symbolic day of victory in the 2nd world war, the most holy holiday in russia that needs to declare victory. and this victory could be the so called final liberation of dawn bus and may be of pipes of southern ukraine from the imagined so called nazi in ukraine. so we have been hearing consistently over the last several weeks from
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russia, experts saying that needs an exit ramp. he needs to be able to sell this as a victory to the russian people, as you just said. and you're saying now that that is likely to come at the beginning of may, how could you potentially sell us as a victory given that this is none of this is going according to plan? because we've seen a shift in the narrative in the official narrative within the last 10 days round about and this shift now concentrates on the eastern part of the ukraine. the liberation of this so called people's republic, the separatist areas in east and ukraine. and you also see it on the military side, the regroup forces. the more and more attacks in the east and also in the south. i feel within the next week, they still a month to go until may, 9th,
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the worst. maybe even get to come. and then for him to declare victory for at least the eastern part of ukraine. and i to talk a little bit about sanctions. germany and other western countries have announced further sanctions after the atrocities the images that we've seen coming out of boucher. is it possible oil embargo going to be enough? do you think at least it's a start the especially the german government has been very relaxed when it comes to calls from ukraine to speed up and finally impose a full scale. and the g in port embargo on russia, they're certainly political considerations. and the fear that these kind of and bygone full scale and by go would have catastrophic
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consequences for the german industry for the german economy and may be for german society. so now they try to gain time every day is a win in this sense to, to, to, to pursue a strategy, a tactic to reduce dependency on these inputs and they are getting there. but it's, as we can see, it's way too slow. now they died within the you with the, with an embargo on coin, coal in port. this is more or less easy to impose oil is the 2nd part of it. but the biggest chunk, an embargo on gas employed, they are still very reluctant to take this on and especially germany reluctant to think they would need to rethink it. especially also after the pictures we've been
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seeing. and. ready the mounting evidence of war crimes by the russian army in all these places had been north of key and in many other places of ukraine to as you say, the german government here has repeatedly said that a full gas embargo would hurt germany as well. but talk to us about how much it will hurt vladimir putin. the unity on sanctions imposed by the west financial sanctions export controls going off after the only guy they offshore account. this heard, the russian economy ended hurts a lot and it hurts quickly. but still, russian system routine business mode models started with a depends on the export or fulfill
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a full size resorts of gas in the very 1st place. so, imposing an embargo on gas employed for germany or even for the european union would hurt quickly and a lot. what is the wall within the next couple of weeks? no, it wouldn't. but it would, we can put in position a lot and maybe for him to negotiation table sooner than later. but this is, you know, this is optimism and may be an illusion, but at least we have to try before i let you go, we have a little bit of time left. how do you see this war unfolding and the next couple weeks in the next several months in the next several years? i think we need to do everything now to give you crane as much leverage as possible, speed up with deliveries,
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discuss tougher sanctions on russia. tried to get to a sci fi at least and may be moved from there to piece negotiation. it's a very, very, very long road to go, especially after boucher, which has become a symbol for russian atrocities in ukraine, less and less people in ukraine willing to negotiate a so called dirty peace with 2 teens. so it would be a long period may be years of instability and a dangerous time. we are on entering contract glo guy the author of putin's world. thank you very much for your time and your insights. thank you very much. 0, one of ukraine's neighbors mal dover is one of the poorest countries in europe, but it is taken in hundreds of thousands of ukrainians fleeing the war. although of
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us, prime minister was at our donor conference here in berlin today, calling for more international support to help with the new arrivals. germany, friends and romania along with other countries, agreed to almost 660000000 euros and aid for the country. the conference is to be the beginning of long term support for moldova, with 40 nations taking part. germany has pledged an immediate loan of 50000000 euros and says more than 659000000 euros have been promised in loan's budget support and other financial assistance. if all the initial i lang, we don't need to just take a deep breath, we need a long collective breath. that's because we know that in the end it's not just about moldova, it's not just about ukraine. it's about europe and about our collective freedom, summer, high height. it's also not just about money. moldova is supposed to get help managing its borders, and more flights are planned to fly out 12000 ukrainian,
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refugees from old, over to other countries. and there's another big challenge securing alternative energy sources. we are the only country in europe, the gas imports of which are a 100 percent dependent on one source. and that is gus from poland used the conference to call for an immediate import ban on gas and oil from russia. that was also a barb aimed at germany. the student via the rebel, are we discussing whether a german customer, little, or a customer from another country, will pay $0.30 or $0.50 more at the gas station? is that really so much in order to stop the suffering and ukraine? so stop him. and francis foreign minister said he would talk with his german colleague about even more sanctions against russia. that was the day as ever the conversation continues online. you'll find us on twitter at dw news. i'm abby
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ah ah, this is dw news live from berlin, ukraine's president demands russia is brought to justice president vladimir as the last key calls on the united nations to act now to stop the war after images of an apparent civilian massacre shocks the world plus help for moldova, one of europe's forest countries is struggling to host large numbers of ukrainians when war western countries.
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