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starts april 16th b, w ah ah, this is the w news life from berlin surviving boucher, after 4 weeks of living under russian occupation residence of the ukrainian tout described to d w. some of the atrocities they've witnessed by russian troops. also coming up with it when the world sees what happens in maryville, it will be butcher multiplied 515-105-1000 eyewitness account of the bombardment of mario paul from a doctor who fought to help the injured. and then made
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a difficult and risky decision to flee and is germany doing enough to help you crane in the face of russian aggression? chance love shots addresses while makers and says germany has one clear game as muslims up to you. it must be our goal that russia does not win this war dust. ah, hello everyone, i'm layla rock. thank you very much for joining us. we start this broadcast with the latest from the ground in ukraine, and an urgent warning from keith. ukrainian officials are warning residence in the countries eastern regions to evacuate immediately or risk death. it comes as the regent braces for an expected russian attack. and the when it comes after evidence
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of russian atrocities were uncovered in the town of boucher, near the capital, ukrainian official ukrainian officials say russian soldiers massacred hundreds of civilians in the town with many varied and mass graves and deed overuse. alexander varman visited rocher to hear 1st hand from residence about what they've experienced and we have to warn you. alexander's report does contain graphic images on the road to boucher burnt out. tanks and car wrecks give a foreboding of the horrors. the small town has lived through in the center of butcher residents came together like every day hoping for humanitarian health to life. food is scarce. here they say many seem deeply traumatized while a demeanor and his mother told me they saw their friends and neighbors to taint and
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killed by rational forces. couldn't you said march as well. they took him a march 7, and as it turned out he was shot him dead. a day later took a donya to closely. we found his body only after they retreated, whom we not leave it that they were yellows. we found his body with his fingers broken, a policy, and a shot to the head. if they prefer it in the hollow, i used the kicker to our old people were buried in the back yard still are in the forest dumbly sousa cornelia here in butcher russian soldier, stand accused of terrible war crimes. witnesses speak of summary executions of civilians killed at will. the ukrainian government is urging international experts to come to woodshop to investigate the allegations. they hope that what happened here will be a turning point in the international response to the war. at the ever and of butcher forensic scientists arrived at the spec yards to pick up the bodies of sick civilians discovered their recently authority say they were not
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held by a born born messiah, but shall dat. and then set on fire ye like only be score you've me shoot in a war. always soldiers kill soldiers, janna out watching it to the hotel. they've been trained to hotdog and are ready to die for their beliefs and ideals. idiology bottled, whoops. where'd all through a killing civilians. how's it pro fish are yet. okay. i've almost seen that embrace within 3 color but show fema there and governments dismiss the allegations as stage anti ration propaganda. but the evidence is mounting even though a full investigation could take time. time consuming is also the clearing of minds and booby traps placed in the town. ukrainians. troops told us in woodshop when you miss, there was, as you can see yourself, there are many different types of military hardware here that can explode and threatened lots of civilians over. so we're working on any oh which are still has
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a long way to go before alive can get anywhere near back to normal. and we can talk to alexandra. she's back in the ukrainian capital. a key for um, alex, would you describe this as a watershed moment in the war? yes, there is at least what so many here in ukraine are hoping for. first and foremost, the ukranian president who is calling on the world on the international community to open their eyes and to see what atrocities the russian army has allegedly committed in butch, and in our villages and towns. however, i have also spoken with many residents in here with her military personnel and, and they seem to be very skeptical. they told me that they are losing their faith in the international community, and they are losing their hope that the world we'll see what's going on here and to
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respond accordingly. and you've had the opportunity to speak to survivors. what have they told you and shared with you about life under russian occupation? well, what really struck me that every one i spoke with, that all of them had their own story of terror to tell. many of them, of course, deeply traumatized. one woman told me that she was held in captivity by the russian army for many hours that she was beaten at one woman told me that her good friend who was a very nice and very kind person just her a walked out with his dog and he never came back because he was shut by russian forces and shot dead by russian forces and all of the stories and you, you, you can just see talking with those people that are still scared. there are still scared that the russian forces could come back and even for me and i cover at a different crisis in the world. it's really sometimes difficult to listen to those
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story stories where people want to get them out. they want the world to listen. as you know, ukraine is now warning that the russian military has probably committed, worse atrocities elsewhere. what are you hearing? oh, so we have to say uh that the access to those areas that were retaking by ukrainian army is still quite limited. for instance, we went to butcher at the invitation of the ukrainian authorities because of course they want journalists to cover them. but you are not able to, to get to every single village or town on the outskirts of key of but what we are hearing from borrowed you have coverage, for instance, a small commuter, a town new york. here we are hearing that was one of the towns 1st hit by russian airstrikes and and many here fear that the death told there could be even higher
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than in boucher. we are trying we will be trying to get there to morrow. so many, he feared that the whole picture could be even grimma, that what we now know from butcher. now it appears that russian forces are preparing an all out push in the east. do we know what's happening there? right now? what we're hearing is that a heavy fighting is taking place in the eastern part of ukraine in the southern part of ukraine. we also know that the ukrainian government is preparing for a new russian offensive there. and according to the ukrainian president zalinski, they know that they might be outnumbered, but there are still determined to fight and defend their country. we also hearing from more airs frogs on some of the cities in the southeastern part of ukraine. michel, i of, for instance. so that is the picture right now,
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but the real fear is that in a few days, the russian forces could be starting a new offense if they're always on a phenomena reporting from a key for ukraine. thank you so much. while the besieged city of mar, you've all has been under constant russian bombardments since the beginning of the war. more than half the population has fled, while up to 170000. others remain trapped without food, water, or electricity leader. because one of rebecca renters met one doctor who spent 25 days and nights helping the injured until she too took the chance to flee on through almost full weeks of war and the most unspeakable conditions. anna, a neurologist worked and lived in the mary hugh paul city hospital. now in the relative safety of live. she tells me of her ordeal,
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which asthma does show during the heaviest, bombardments we had around 50 patients in our arriving a day. the hospital was so over crowded and the windows doors and roof wall destroyed stead. not long after it got even worse, the russians cut the water supply is but alice knew we would gather snow, rain water, use the water from inside the boilers and disinfect it. so many patients were dying, she tells me they were forced to put the corpses outside in bags, asked her to have all the worst thing was when the relatives would come to look for their loved ones on him, they had to open all the bags, the bitter cold, they saving grace as it prevented the worst of the stench. they showed bachelor what i saw, i think that even the most perverted minds wouldn't be able to imagine. it's an outage. nay, bit as the night of the 20th of march, i named this night the genocide lasted me up as wally. this was the night when the
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bombings just wouldn't stop political, an issue hollow. every time we heard a bomb coming. mitchells i was lying and thinking i would cover my head like that and think this one will be the one that gets us last. just a moment comes sickly and it's hard to comprehend. a moment when you want it all to be over. in a good way that she survive of what's it or in a bad way? don't you die to rosa and you don't care how you die, just as long as it's all over among us to both connect to moose, and soon it would be she and a few of her colleagues took their chance to escape. were ye holy? we were driving and then in the distance we saw our flag of blue and yellow flag and ukrainian troops. the booklet proper tumble. one of them gave me a hug. and it's weird, but i asked him, can i be a ukrainian here? is it safe? thought and he said yes, you're at home switched nowhere to talk to. dormer,
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sit alive, but dead inside. she tells me as she faces a life haunted by what she's witnessed. call it is it when the world sees what happens in marie pal? it will be butcher multiplied 515100, which are by $1000.00 to more than that. they said you have report by rebecca returns in a low fif. i like to reach out now to leona fixed. so she is a historian and political scientists focusing on german foreign policy and eastern europe and russia. a very warm welcome to the w news good to have you with us. again and again, we're hearing denials from moscow still about alleged atrocities. the russian foreign ministry spoke again and, and repeated the claim that the butcher killings were stage. and the reasoning for that was to derail a potential
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a p stocks and justify more sanctions. what's behind that strategy of, of just denying, denying, denying what is evident for all to see this is a typical lesson, this information strategy that we've already seen in the past. so by denying it, the idea is that even those who don't believe the denial at least have come out. so i'm not sure about the evidence that has been presented, even if they don't entirely agree with watches of events that we've seen in the past. with an age 17 and with many other invent washed events, we'll watch that was part of. so he again, we should be very careful to not kate it to the washing disinformation notice and be very clear about the evidence on the ground, about the journalist to see what, what has happened and also about the satellite. many of them all the witnesses, we poets, this is these ad twice a tease done by,
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by the washing military. and we must be afraid that much more will be visible in your pool if it occupied. now with the war ukraine reaching new and terrible levels of violence, what explains the absolute disregard for human life? what informs the russian armies strategy? there are 3 elements of the. first of all, this is not entirely unexpected. so even before the war break out, the have been use intelligence, we caught about kill lists about washing and the washing patient was the menu that would be brutal and plans that outlined the prosecution of activists of politicians in those areas. the 2nd element is that we seen these, this brutal kind of washing wafaa in the past was in syria as well,
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the chechnya. so it is part of the culture of russia way of conducting war. and the set element is the, at a logical element. the west about liberating the queen from quotation like nazis, and leads to a d. d human as ation of ukrainians and lead to leveling down of how people at tweeted and this with the vehicle escalation comes from the washing president and has become even wild spoken in the last week. let's talk about the reaction from the international community, but especially the west. i mean there's been an incremental build up of sanctions by germany. the u and the u. s. i sanction is going to solve this sanctioned with an instrument to increase pressure on moscow. and the, the only way what such atrocities can be prevented is that less territory is on the
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washing control and remains and the washing quote, which means that ukraine has to, has to get control on the, especially the eastern part of ukraine. and 2 ways of putting pressure on moscow and deliveries towards quade and the 2nd sanctions and putting further question moscow and making sure that it gets more and more difficult domestically to continue this war the way it is bought now. so then many instruments available, but sanctions and weapon deliveries do increase pressure on las go. they do increase pressure on moscow. i want to understand also a little bit and this is maybe a little bit difficult to establish. but would that be a scenario or situation on the ground that would allow for the west for the international community to determine that they've reached red line? i mean, because i want to understand what's the difference between nato's $999.00 intervention
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in cost of oh, and what we're seeing kind of unfold right now. the clear differences said why now, why should be adverse? who is, who is waging the war and has nuclear weapons, which makes it, obviously funny, too, very difficult to, to be much more difficult than uncomfortable because that's the whisk off a new escalation off a need to wash a war that could lead to escalation. so that limits nato's room for actions, but nato has signal that use of chemical weapons, or even worse of a technical nuclear weapon would be met by a strong response from the allies. so there are no details given on what a storm was. funds would look like, but it is clear that natal tries to establish some kind of with line. the only difficulty there was that s, for instance, president obama has established
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a with light interior, which was cost and there were no significant consequences. so here, just with the question of credibility, whether a web line will be followed up or not. leon fix historian and political scientists focusing on german foreign policy, eastern europe, and russia. thank you very much for sharing your insights with us. thank you. well the you and the u. s. are preparing new coordinated the set of sanctions on moscow in response to the atrocities and boot shop while washington is expected to target britain's inner circle and been all new investments in russia. you lawmakers, for the 1st time, are about to take aim at the country's energy industry. with a ban on russian coal commission, president of underlying warned, an embargo, an oil imports could soon follow. the double use barbara diesel spoke with the
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leader of the conservative europe in people's party group in the european parliament. mister montfort, deeper what we're seeing in ukraine is hunt breaking. we are seeing evidence of the most horrific war crimes there. do you think that the response of the european union is strong enough? well, the response sir, must be strong, and for the moment as he 1st steps in a good direction, especially the big question of energy or embargo. there we have now the decision on the coal and that is good. but her, my group, and i myself, i'm insisting also in a ban on oil because that will really hurt her puddings power system much. and that's why we should go one step further to also exclude to all from importing to the european union. oil would really be the crucial point because that is a large part of his income. he makes more money from oil than he really makes from gas. so why our country so reticent, all is replaceable from other sources. what's going on?
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well, you have to ask her counsel member, so member state level from an e p groups point of view from my political family. and also i think her, yesterday the european parliament will decide about coal and oil embargo towards russia. so there is a position of the parliamentarians and he insisted this must now him, do you think you're after this biggest shake up of european policies, european security structures, everything that we believed in and thought would be our future. we can recover as easily do you think that we have to really re think a lot of our basic presumptions will be us thought we are strong. especially economically. european union is a strong from pillar in the gold order, or the question is not whether we are strong enough to to answer the question is whether we are ready enough to have an understanding. and that's my main my, my main messages. this war is not a very far away. this is, this is our war. it's about our values. so we are affected. and we have to be
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honest to citizens, that if this will cost us be seed already with the energy prices is inflation. all of a euro, so we have to contribute if we want to defend our european way of life. the have to invest in this, in the short term next to the energy embargo, 2 things. honestly. first of all, the greens are asking was 1st fall for weapons, weapons, weapons they need, or the possibility to defend themself. and the 2nd thing is, we need budgetary support, or a grain is running out of money. and that's why we have to stabilize the state budget resume. thank you very much. think as well here in your me a chance all our shows has been answering questions about the war in ukraine in the german parliament. mister schultz expressed his horror over the images from the ukrainian town of boucher after russian troops retreated. he told lawmakers that germany's goal was clear as muscle that you'd like. it must be our goal that russia does not win this war as dust ascent. and in that is what is behind the measures. we are undertaking a name with weapons deliveries with financial and humanitarian assistance. taking
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in refugees thing again or the global sanctions measures that we have agreed worldwide. that vide for and bon the chances speaking earlier there and with me here in the studio is our chief political editor, me looking to talk more about what we just heard. did we hear a policy change or not much room for maneuver? we saw him, we heard and continue in the same direction as of was already indicated before. what we learned about boucher at the weekend that this 5th sanctions package is on the way. and what we did see is a clear condemnation that these a war crimes basically coding on flooding the put in to really face up to this truth that any fabrication simply was a lie. and we also saw the german shots a say that any weapons that would make sense and deliverable would now be delivered . at the same time, we're hearing criticism from ukraine that not enough,
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heavy weapons are coming through. certainly no heavy weapons from germany. we're also seeing and they to 4 minutes to talk about that today. so anyone who expected a huge turnaround once again was disappointed. but city there is more and more and firmer resolve and more than indicating that a future without any push in future relations are simply not possible. and this is a clear sense that this really is a historical moment, is historical turning point. it's just to take a listen. what will have said about that that's the beatles were delayed to speak just from boucher have shaken us all deeply or dogma. russian soldiers massacre ukrainian civilians there including children, women on the elderly before retreating calling. and i to mention the cynical assertion made by russia that this was staged by falls back on those who spread these lies, forgot dealing, talk with them for by the murder of civilians. is
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a war crime tricks for question. so here, the demons answer not directly saying, but more than indicating that there can be no future with loading it putin in diplomatic terms. and as the term president who's from his party as well, said that there can be no back to the status before this war with vladimir putin. so this is entrenching what already is a very dangerous situation with, of course, germany, europe, nato, the united states trying to navigate and avoid this becoming an all out 3rd world who i keep being surprised when i say it, but this is really what is a real possibility because it's very tricky for him saying we can't work with vladimir putin because we heard the ukrainian president just yesterday say we have no choice but to engage with putting to help bring an end to this war. so with the german liter saying, i'm not in, we shouldn't engage with him. he's kind of thing that he just says it's, it's,
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it's not feasible to think of returning to the kind of status before. and that was where both sides were seeking corporation. and there was talk of the big european house that to russia would have a space in that. well, clearly that is completely off the table. and facts are being created with energy infrastructure. now no longer in the future of pointing anywhere in the russian direction. if anything to you is at pains to become as an independent as possible, as fast as possible. so clearly that is, it is a historic shift there and a sense of real salk and betrayal by letting their putin, let's talk about the, the intention or the discussions about russian energy embargo, which are gathering pace to red line for germany. can you put that into context for us, where, where are we now on that issue here? well, we just heard that the european union is discussing, taking cold off the table, having a coal embargo here, the german government is not really taking
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a clear position yet. it's being very cautious, it's saying, well, we're, we must take care that any and n a d embargo doesn't hit us more than it does russia? germany is highly dependent. the entire european union is so berlin is not where brussels is right now, talking about a potential. the oil could be next and certainly gas is what germany company equals the line. but how, how dependent is germany on? i mean, because we keep hearing germany show reliant on russian energy, but put it starkly into contrast with other countries in the u, because it's not the only country who is reliant on on russian gas and oil. no, it isn't an interesting the countries like poland even more dependent, although they are calling loud for a potential energy embargo. but they want germ need to lead the way germany is actually been relatively successful in becoming less dependent. it was more than 50 percent dependency when it comes to gas before the war. now, according to the latest government figures, it's at 40 percent,
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and it is trying to scale down, but in an industry is still wanting that this would cost dobbs, it would cost prosperity here in germany. and that's what everybody is still sighing away from. and where does not come to unity and the you as always, a price to pay. thank you so much me here, the coroner did over you chief correspondence and to thank you for watching. we'll be back at the top with with ah, with
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doing this with russia for many international companies. that's no longer an option since the war began. they support the sanctions against 2 teen except losses in the billions. but some protein deploy, apply,
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