ah ah ah, this is dw news coming to live from berlin. more evidence of the devastation left behind by russian troops after their withdrawal from northern ukraine. small towns of wicker saw intense fighting between russian and ukrainian forces. d. w, corresponded nick codley, spoke to residents. there about their ordeal under russian occupation. also coming up. native foreign ministers gather for a 2nd day in brussels, ukraine's foreign minister is also attending is very clear about what he expects

from the alliance. agenda is very simple. it has only 3 items on it. it's weapons, weapons, and weapons, and deformed hospital in mario full ukraine on the world health day and appeal from the united nations to stop attacks on health facilities. ah. hello, i'm terry martin. good to have you with us. world leaders have condemned the growing evidence of war crimes committed by russian forces in ukraine. authorities are still trying to identify hundreds of victims of atrocities in the town of butcher outside the capital. here, as russian troops withdraw from the north of the country, locals are coming out of hiding and taking stock. after nearly a month and a russian occupation. dw nick calmly visited the small town of wiki,

which was in the middle of intense fighting between russian and ukrainian forces. he spoke to resident, struggling to make sense of what happened to them. this is b, give a small town. it's just emerging from a month and a russian occupation month in which it was on the front lines between russian and ukrainian forces. toys was sometimes just the woods, people were children. it's as much as many residents of this ukrainian town could think of. a plea to the russian troops to leave them and their families alone, as they hid in their homes, who disagree with him. new people in this village spent 27 days without water on the 27 days without bread, we grew up. when you, i thought was a demon his wife held out for 3 weeks until the shelling became too much to bear. and they were finally able to leave for a neighboring village of them up when they got back of the cranium. military had re taken the town, their home would be ransacked by retreating, russian troops with they've got it. every thing carried everything out

and all that laughter, the walls and the sofa. so he and then you, they've taken all the electronics. i don't even know where they put it all over the months they were here, the russians really changed for the worse. i am just disgusted at the thought that they were moving around and eating in my house. at least he didn't sleep here with the food doesn't look dilute, relatable, delivered with carla. they just destroyed things for the sake of it. the ceiling, even at the the impact on this community goes far beyond limited homes, while local, since they were kidnapped and detained in sellers for days on end. accused by the russians of helping the ukrainian military. several residents are still missing, fit killed. a priest arrives the neighboring village with supplies for those who have lost almost everything. yeah. but it's not food or money that the locals are

asking for that us, who am i and what was able to put the people here need tranquilizers with many of them have lost everything with me that they spent a lifetime saving for wallace with this, with their houses sought their cars, it's all gone into separate from what you both shows as the damp seller where she her husband and her neighbors spent some of the coldest nights in the year. no, it's all done yet. and i agree with linda. we weren't just hearing the shelling, we could feel it. everything was shaking me all the really, all we could do is pray that it wouldn't hit us. we just kept praying. supplies like these kibbler proven has been going during the weeks. andrew occupation for the shop stead shut and leaving home would have meant running a gauntlet or was it that yes, i got off by the time you've been up and down these steps a few times. you lose the well to do anything else. to both tells us she and every one she knows is exhausted till washington was waiting for something they can't

quite define unable to ever let go. marston, he said, we didn't use to understand what it was that people and on boss had been going through all these years stuck in our salary last month has taught us what war is. his name's richard vicky for now. the russian army had been pushed back more than a 100 kilometers, but the fear they might return a sudden, as they appeared, is never far away. our corresponding economy of fall, their report joins us now from the craning capital. chipped nick, you've now been to several town surrounding here in the wake of the russian withdrawl there. you've interviewed numerous eye witnesses. what have you pieced together about how russian forces are fighting this war? i think the overall, she impression is one of chaos. so in that town where we just were that, we seen the report, but give locals told us that basically you had forces from all kinds of different regiments who basically on the retreat had sustained lodge losses in their 1st days

. and ukraine and bessie didn't know each other, so they had a russian soldiers that had no experience of interacting. now suddenly grouped together again, having been surprised by that ukraine resistance, unable to make decisions, unable to really work out who is in charge, often under supplied in terms of food having to either ask the locals for food or just to take it, breaking to shops that seems to be a picture we're seeing across the country and not only shops, bottles, and private homes. we've seen images now from belarus, which is the can supply hub for lots of these. russian forces that were northern ukraine, of russian soldiers in uniformed, going to post offices in billers, sending home huge packages, and of pretty obviously looted stuff from ukraine of car batteries, electronics, even washing machines. and that really seems to be a pretty widespread picture in no sense that there's a lot of punishment from the kind of superiors the high up in the russian army. if their subordinates do that. we did hear from locals, though, that it was

a mixed picture. they had had some positive interaction, some russian soldiers who had to meet them, that they didn't want to be in ukraine, that they had believed their superiors who told them that they were just going on exercise to the ukrainian border. and that some had even apologize to them for the behavior of their fellow soldiers and in boots to the place of those mass killings that we've seen in recent days. one local told us that he had the impression that they were just scared they had not really counted on meeting so much resistance from the ukrainian ami. and they basically saw any civilian out in the streets trying to get some food as a potential threat. as someone who might attack them, and so he said that the locals, that they really felt every time they left their homes, that they were being watched through the sites of a russian gun. that every time they left the houses, they were likely to be shot. and it seemed like most of the people who lost their lives in boucher guaranteed short randomly on the streets by soldiers often on tanks. rather, almo vehicles am just taking pot shots at people with him in

a very little fear of any kind of accountability. nick russian forces have now pulled back from those areas around key of an increasing pressure on the dumbass region in the east ukrainian government is urging civilians to leave the east. the country are people heating that call will indefinitely are lots of trains heading west. still, especially taking people who have got out of mar pulled by by road, who then get to cities like the parisha in the southeast, and then make their journey west from there by train. but it doesn't seem like it is a mass exodus for now. and if the experience thus, you must say to go by people on the whole tend to heat those kind of warnings only when it's too late. only when they can hear the fighting, the shelling close to them. and just in the weeks and months going into this war, and there were all those warnings coming out of washington at western capitals from west natalia. so authorities, and time and time again, we went to place that we're very vulnerable, that we're on the border with russia,

with very little in the way of fortifications. and you'd ask people, are you worried, what is your contingency plan? and people would say, this is all bluff, this is just a political game by the kremlin to put pressure in ukraine. a full scale war is unimaginable. the russians wouldn't take those risks. and as such, people just discounted, it would tell you they were actually more concerned about their job or the fact that their local shop was going to close down. so i think unfortunately lots of people, even though we're down 2nd month, want really able to imagine the war arriving on that doorstep until it's too late. nick, thank you very much. our correspondent, nick connelly. they're in kia now let's talk more about alleged war crimes being committed in ukraine for that of joy. now by kyle, i'm both, he's a professor of law and goodman and counsel at the international criminal court in the egg. thanks for being with us. professor investigations are underway into war crimes committed in ukraine. could russia find itself facing charges of crimes against humanity or even genocide?

well, i would say it's not easy to gather evidence on the ground and even for walk rhymes and it's racial it for crimes against humanity. and genocide would be much higher. we would have to prove policy to, to a taxes of the population. and this policy could only come out of the credit. and so it's, it's, it's really difficult it's, it's difficult enough to, to identify concrete victims and, and, and padre as a walk around on the ground. tell us how you go about gathering that evidence in crimes of this nature does. does the i c c, have people on the ground or do you rely on the work of journalists and n g? i was in the field. certainly not with all due respect. we don't rely on the work of john and not even on human rights on his rights watch. i mean, we, you know, all this, all this evidence, all this kind of information you are finding as investigative journalist or

n g o is, is not evidence. we can use the court, you know, so solve the problem is that we have many people on the ground. also, of course we have the graders investigated. we have the i to see people, the investigator of the prosecutor. and then we have a kind of math and he talked to witnesses and maybe the 10th time, the 10th time the investigator, all the people talked to with the witness will be tie up. so there could be counter productive play too many people on the ground in terms of coordination. yes. present jo button. he wants vladimir putin, the russian president to be put on trial. could putin eventually be held accountable for the actions of his forces? i think eventually yes, i mean the terms, of course, the flexible, i mean we are talking about he is and maybe that have not not days or months. and we, as i said, we have to, we have to 1st establish what we call the crying base. we have to find concrete

evidence on war crimes, and we have to impute these war crimes russian soldiers. and then we have to go up to the, to the chain of command, you know, to the channels whose appearance and maybe to put in and his entourage. but that's, that's, that's a hard top to do with the top investigating work, and that takes time. neither russia nor ukraine, except the jurisdiction of the international criminal court. how much a problem is that? well, and you are right, they are not state party, they have not ratified the wrong statute. great. and has accepted the jurisdiction under specific revision and on that basis, investigations are going on since the end of 2013, we should not forget. we are talking here about a situation which only has a rapid or, has been radicalized by the invasion of every but we are talking about possibly crimes in eastern grade in the cream. and these crimes. happy invest the, the,

i'm the investigation of course. now the focus is on positive walk rhymes in the context of the vision, but the 2 digits based on in content i create as a territory state. what about the timeline here? if, if cases were to actually get to court, how long would it take for a trial to take place when, when could we expect to see something happen legally? yeah, i mean, legally we already see something happening and we are formally now in an investigation of the office of the prosecutor, of the international criminal court, or the have that legally an investigation. and if you take the time it takes to find enough evidence, for example, to issue restrooms, yes. and to, to formulate an indictment into form the charges that the time investigative needs and all the investigators know in the process when they have enough evidence

together to bring it before the charges. we have to accept it like in any criminal justice system, that accepted evidence is sufficient evidence to go to trial. that takes time. we have to be patients. you thank you very much for talking with this. that was cut chi on both professor of law in getting in and a counsel to the international criminal court. now let's catch up on some other stories related to the war in ukraine. u. s. present, joe biden has accused russia of brutality and inhumanity and announced new sanctions in the wake of the atrocities. schleiden has also spoken of war crimes. as we mentioned, the latest measures drawn up by washington target russian banks and individuals, including the daughters of bushes president, let me of booty. fairly easy leaders meanwhile, are pushing to cut off russian coal imports and considering imposing an embargo on

oil and gas. when lu block is preparing to implement the 5th round of sanctions against moscow, britain is also drawing up a time table to and it's with russian energy. importance. testimonies on nato ministers are meeting in brussels today to consider the western alliances response to the war in ukraine. amid worries that the conflict could drag on for months, if not years. ukrainian foreign minister demitra who labor is attending that meeting. just a short while ago, he and nato chief un stoughton mac address reporters. it is an urgent need her to further support ukraine and a half hour meeting later on with the nato foreign ministers. i'm certain that we will address the need for more air defense systems. so on to thank weapons sir light to put those a heavier oh weapons on many different types of support to, to ukraine. my agenda is very simple. it has only 3 items on it. it's weapons,

weapons, and weapons. we are confident that the best way to help you create now is to provide it was all necessary to contain put in and door defeat russian army in our correspond at jack perez is covering that nato meeting in brussels. jack ukraine. once weapons in stoughton bag, the nato chief says he expects made a will deliberate. so are the 2 sides on the same page. well, kind of to be honest, terry, that it looks like the meter caliber is going to do a pretty impassioned plea to the nato foreign ministers through these meetings. he said some really interesting things. in this press conference. he pointed the finger directly at berlin for not providing as many weapons as they wanted. he said berlin has time. he doesn't saying that the bureaucracy in berlin to get weapons over the line and to be sending them to ukraine is taking too long. he said that

the decision by germany to export weapons was a revolutionary step called on germany, specifically to do more. he also talked about the difference between defensive and offensive weapons because that some of the discussion around some of the native member states and also specifically in germany and caliber, had to say that all weapons right now are defensive because they have been invaded by russia and there's no longer an offensive weapon of for them. they see offensive weapons simply as weapons that they need to use to, to push that invasion night. he also talked specifically about this sort of some of the thinking around this because nater members a slightly concerned about sending weapons to ukraine for fear of being dragged into the war in a more broader sense. but what labor had says give, there's a simple deal from the ukrainian side. give us weapons, he said, we sacrificed our lives and we prevent the full light from this war going out into other european countries. so it's

a pretty specific set of demands. he is here in brussels to try and get weapons from the nato allies. nato's secretary general says we should be prepared for the long haul in ukraine. is that not an admission jack that nato's hands are effectively tied in this conflict? well, it's an interesting one, isn't it, terry? i mean, there's, there's this preparation now, i think, and in stoughton bogus, been talking over the last few weeks about this, this idea of the new normal, the streets that they've stationed in eastern nato member states that they're saying, you know, need to, you know, a probably likely going to be more permanent position. now if, if this will continue on and rumbles on. the question is, how does the nato thinking shift on this? and i think actually will. and elaina babble. the german foreign minister said in response to what q label was saying regarding german, she was talking about the sort of feelings that europe has and, and there's a sense of what's going on and what they need to try and do. and,

and i think there are some shifts and some discussions happening within the german government, although she was relatively vague in her response to what to what the label was saying. was that with a jack? there's mounting evidence of war crimes being committed by russian forces in ukraine. is this creating a greater sense of urgency among nato and you leaders there in brussels? i think definitely what we've seen over the last 7 days or so. there's been some pretty, pretty big statements coming out of the leaders. we also know that the ambassadors of the european union is sitting back down today to try and see if they can agree on this 5th round of you. sanctions including an all i've been on imports of russian coal. we'll have to wait and see how, how that goes. there are seems, there is some strolling as well, but i think there is some impotence impetus after those atrocities that we saw in future. jack, thank you. very much our correspondent jack paris. they're in brussels since invading ukraine,

russian forces have attacked more than 100 medical facilities. world health organization says more hospitals and health care facilities have been attacked around the globe this year than ever recorded before. on world health day. un potty is calling on combatants to avoid targeting health facilities. ah, the moment a bomb exploded in the city of murray. awful and this is what was hit. c the maternity and children's hospital since the start of russia's invasion, more than 90 health facilities, including hospitals like this one in the city of it's him, have been attacked according to the world health organization, brutal bullock and for some more than once. at the start of the

war, the main hospital in the town of bo, nova, was hit. days later, it was attacked again. and then again, while dozens of civilians were hiding inside, trying to escape the shelling among them was andry key. and he in of head of the hospitals, trauma center who was there with his wife and children with the experience still haunts him. we know if a viewer, but it was showing lasted about 20 to 25 minutes. and when we get near, you was clear and the kids just moved. it is my children and i didn't make it to the basement. we spent all this time in the corridor of the hospital. her own,

we experienced all the shelling 1st hand was she'd given us. pavlo cofton yoke is ukraine's former deputy health minister. he now runs an organization that is trying to document each and every hospital attack what color the main and primary goal is to help our content and health and national community to hold accountable those people who would do those water crimes. and this is what really makes our team really even what debated are they feel that they are doing something very important for this more which asked continues to to the attacks, hopes of prosecutions seem a long way off. the spring in real been was here, she's an emergency communications coordinator with doctors without borders and she

joined me from libby in western ukraine. thanks for being with us. a real your organization has documented attacks on numerous hospitals and helps facilities in ukraine is for a pattern or hospitals being deliberately targeted. would you say it's very hard to know. the experience that our team had on monday afternoon at about 330 local time residential area of nikolai, that high concentration of hospitals serving civilians is that it was a cluster bomb. they were there meeting some health authority in the college hospital, just walking in when it started as a garage that continued for roughly 10 minutes. and so are the hospitals targeted or what would be the reason to, to be bombing a residential neighborhood that had a high concentration of hospitals. we would have to leave to others to verify that

per se, i know that the world health organization has been doing this horrific tally of the number of health facilities that have been targeted, including ambulances, by the way. and so for us, it's just always the same concern and outrage that we express that some medical facilities in times of war should be protected. they should be a place of sanctuary where people can go and feel safe and that the health workers, the caretakers and the patients of course, can feel like this is going to be a protected space amid everything else that's going on. you know, doctors left borders provides emergency medical aid. what's the situation for your colleagues trying to provide that aid in ukraine? it's an extremely challenging environment because there are many areas that do need humanitarian assistance. or the people would like to have the opportunity to flee, and it's just not possible. so in circled areas of mary, a poll certainly, but there are others. one of the challenges is that even for aid providers,

whether it be the un, the international committee of the red cross or independent n g o, like doctors without borders or mid sense awful. yeah. is that some of the roads are mind. so even if you think ok, we're going to try and reach this area. it could be extremely perilous to bring the cargo in the medical supplies in that the hospitals inside those zones are crying for, for assistance, for some support. the other issue is just obstructions. there are checkpoints, there are officials saying, no, you can't go here, it's not safe. and so there are a number of obstacles to actually being able to be effectively in the places where people need us most talking about getting into those difficult areas. do you have, does your organization have access, operate to those contested regions in the east of ukraine? don't ask and hands we do not. and that's one of the challenging things we

keep trying to be able to offer assistance based on independent assessments in an ability to deliver it directly ourselves. but what we are doing right now, and there's a tremendous amount of pressure since the ukrainian government advised people yesterday to evacuate immediately, a number of those areas that can do hon. even car keys is that we are receiving a lot of calls for our medical referral, trained to come and pick up patients from hospitals that are overburdened in the east and take those patients transport them or transfer them to hospitals that are better able to provide them a safe place to be able to be treated and recover. so that to a train activity, the medical referral train is, is now under a lot of pressure with many, many requests and far too many for us to be able to safely transport, which is why we're developing a larger train that's kidded up with more equipment more like an intensive care unit to be able to, to assist greater numbers of people and make such

a difference for the working flow of the hospital workload in the east of real. thank you very much for speaking with us. that was obvious, been, was from doctors without borders, speaking to us from libya in western ukraine. you are watching g w news up next. it's global $3000.00 the globalization program. this time with a report from the u. s. on how the ukranian jasper is coping with war. thanks for watching. with

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every one experiences it differently as if there are different forms of time. time ah, the phenomenon a dimension, if we know we won't live forever and illusion about time presenting futures past starts april 14th on d. w. with the world has been confronted with horrific images of atrocities against civilians allegedly committed by russian forces in ukraine. we can find a cart and then qualitative genocide because there are so much resemblance of the events of 20th century. how should western allies respond? my guest on conflict zone is lithuanian, foreign minister, gabriela, lance bagus. he joins me on the line from vilnius if wooten ism, which is more than just one.