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ah ah ah, this is the w news live from berlin. more evidence comes to light of the devastation left behind by russian troops after their withdrawal from northern. you prayed. this whole town of chief, so intense fighting between russian and ukrainian forces corresponded, spoke to residents about their ordeal under russian occupation. also coming up about the hospital in mario for ukraine of well health state,
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an appeal from the united nations to stop a tax on health systems. also, nato foreign ministers gather post, 2nd day in brussels. ukraine's top diplomat is also that is very clear about what he expects from the alarm. janda is very simple. it has only 3 items on it. it's weapons, weapons, and weapons. ah, i'm gathered us welcome. and we have a busy program for you this next hour, expecting a statement from ukraine's foreign minister mutual labor. after meeting his natal counterparts. nato secretary general, yes, spoke back will also address reporters and will bring you both events live as soon as they happen. but 1st, world leaders have condemned the apparent war crimes committed by russian forces in
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ukraine. amid mounting evidence of civilian killings, rape and torture. authorities are still trying to identify hundreds of victims of atrocities in the town of butcher outside the capital keys. as russian troops withdraw from the north of the country, locals are coming out of hiding and are taking stock after nearly a month on the russian occupation. the dog dw correspondent nick connelly visited the small town of b keith, which found itself in the middle of intense fighting between russian ukrainian forces. from late february onwards, he spoke to residents struggling to make sense of what happened to them. this is, we give a small town that's just emerging from a month and a russian occupation month in which it was on the front lines. she, russian and ukrainian forces. toys was sometimes just the words people were children. it's as much as many residents of this ukrainian town could think of
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a plea to the russian troops to leave them and their families alone, as they hid in their homes, will disagree with him. new people in this village spent 27 days without water. on the 27 days of the bread he grew up when you had a demon his wife held out for 3 weeks until the shelling became too much to bear. and they were finally able to leave for a neighbouring village of them up when they got back of the cranium. military had retaken the town, their home be ransacked by retreating, russian troops. a they've got it. everything carried everything out. all that laughter, the walls and the sofa a 2nd. he and then you get taken all the electronics. i don't even know where they put it all over the months they were here, the russians really changed for the worse. listen, i'm just disgusted at the thought that they were moving around and eating in my house. at least he didn't sleep here. with the full doesn't look dilute corolla
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liberals, witness carlo. they just destroyed things for the sake of that that the refusal never believed in it. but the impact on this community goes far beyond looted homes, locals to this, they were kidnapped and detained in sellers for days on end. accused by the russians of helping the ukrainian military, several residents still missing fed killed. a priest arrives the neighboring village when supplies for those who have lost almost everything. yeah. but it's not food or money that the locals are asking for that us, who am i and what was we were looking for to have the people here need tranquilizers with many of them have lost everything with me that they spent a lifetime saving $4.00 with their houses brought their cars. it's all gone into separate from but you both shows us the damp seller where she, her husband and her neighbors spent some of the coldest nights of the year. no truth gone yet. and i agree with linda. we weren't just hearing the shelling,
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we could feel it. everything was shaking when all we could do is pray that it wouldn't hit us. we just kept praying supplies like these kipling woven has been going during the weeks. andrew occupation or the shop stayed shut and leaving home would have meant running a gauntlet. was it that he has got us by the time you've been up and down these steps a few times, you'll lose the well to do anything else. to both tells us she and every one she knows has exhausted her what you can always waiting for something they can't quite define unable to ever let go mercy mister greeting used to understand what it was that people and on boss had been going through all these years stuck in their salus . the last month has taught us what war is his name, sister dickie. for now the russian army has been pushed back more than a 100 kilometers. but the fear they might return suddenly, as they appeared, was never far away. well, did i curse on it? and it is commonly file that we border now joins us from the ukrainian capital.
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steve, nick, you've not been to several town surrounding keith in the wake of the russian withdrawal. and you've interviewed numerous eye witnesses at what have you pieced together about how russian forces are fighting this war? i think the overarching impression is one of chaos. in that town we just saw in the report, the locals told us that most of the russian soldiers didn't know one another. they were from various different regiments, various different pos, the russian army. and after encountering a much differ resistance from the ukrainians than they expected, they'd suffered heavy losses and had regrouped in a celtic fashion. often enough, seemingly not knowing who their commands should be, not knowing where their food is meant to come from. not knowing what the plans were with any kind of advance warning, the sense that the russian command is keeping its own soldiers very poorly informed, that they are just busy living in a bubble. often without any mobile phone connection, they've had their own mobile phones taken off them before they entered ukraine. and indeed there are stories of them taking phones off ukrainians. sometimes that's to
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stop. the ukrainian civilians may be passing information to the grain army, but also it seems because of enough they just want to get in touch with her and families to contact their wives, their families back home in russia. and those are called that are now being tapped by the ukranian authorities. and we're seeing lots of white apps on youtube. and obviously some of them might be a fortifications might be part of the kind of normal propaganda that goes on during war from the ukrainian side. blossom do sound pretty convincing, and there is talk of looting, talk of even sometimes you hear these white apps where russian soldiers, what we believe to be russian soldiers ask their wives. they have read spec home. what they would like them to take from the ukranian homes that they have access to . we see me images of russian soldiers in bella roost, which is the logistics hub for the operation. this part of ukraine taking huge quantities of stuff, hundreds of kilos in some cases to the post office and sending it back home to rutter washing machines that was in been sent car batteries or t v. 's computers. all that kind of stuff. and we've even had reports now from
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germany today from the german secret services that out we have to enter up this recorded and who with our correspondence to listen to the ukrainian or we sure ukrainian formalist. i mean to follow le security, the b law more. and the lady also. okay. and is charles icky douglas publish a balcony south view and dinay on the day at another session. now what did you know emily of dickinson? oh, which in no r o. kinshasa da tested, articulate. soc, do treated authentic? no. you don't own was audrey cur, the present producer evie is as you can company in the company, could you kind didn't offer more push pull men me for lot.
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we are currently having trouble with the audio line them from brussels. we're trying to sort that out and bring you that statement a bit later in the program. but 1st, since invading ukraine, russian forces have attacked more than a 100 medical facilities. the world health organization says more hospitals and health care facilities have been attacked around the globe this year than ever recorded on world health day. the un body is calling on competence to avoid targeting health facilities. ah, the moment a bomb exploded in the city of mary awful and this is what was hit. c the maternity and children's hospital oh,
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since the start of russia invasion, more than 90 health facilities, including hospitals like this one in the city of him have been attacked according to the world health organization bullock and for some more than once. at the start of the war, the main hospital in the town of villanova, with hit days later, it was attacked again and then again while dozens of civilians were hiding inside, trying to escape. the shelling among them was andree key. and you know, head of the hospitals, trauma center, who was there with his wife and children, the experience still haunts him with a shilling lasted about 20 to 25 minutes with you was
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clear and the kids just removed the communion, my children and i didn't make it to the basement. we spent all this time in the corridor of the hospital. we experienced all the shelling 1st hand. she given us. pavlo cough, tanya, is ukraine's for my deputy health minister. he now runs an organization that's trying to document each and every hospital attack or our main and primary goal is to help our content and our national community to hold accountable those people who would do those to work. right? and this is what really makes our team really, really motivated because they feel that they're doing something very important for
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this more but as the whole 10 years. so to do the attacks, hopes of prosecutions seem a long way off. now, today's nato, a meeting in brussels house finished you transfer minister to mutual labor is now giving a press conference with every day the heaviest fighting takes place in that part of your grade. and more is to come. unfortunately, the better for don't bus will remind you, and i regret to say it, but this is through the battle for don. boss will remind you. was 2nd world war west large operations when you worse involvement of thousands of tanks, armored wiggles, plains artillery. ah, this will not be a local oppression based on what we see in russia preparations to eat. russia
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has its plan. we have ours, and the battlefield will decide. the and the outcome of this battle will be decided on the battlefield. and this is why it is so urgent for allies not to ah, how the bullet mildly not to tell us that they're still thinking that they are. they have to do all the procedures that are the romania ah, issues which have to be sorted out before they make decisions. either you help us now and i'm speaking about days not weeks or you help will come to late. and sir, many people will die. many civilians will lose their homes. many villages will be destroyed. exactly because this help came to late speaking about negotiations. i said it already. i unfortunately to my
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deepest regret, boucher is butcher massacre is just the tip of the iceberg. marty, we all right, you see from reports from michael by that mario, but he's much, much worse on all accounts. and then you ask the right question, how does it feel talking to the russians. after all this happened, start 2 points, which i want to make. first. i have only one question to the russians. who are they? where do they come from that they have no compassion or empathy neither to children whom they rape, nor to women and girls who are raped and killed, nor to civilians, to old people, even to animals and pets. they killed pets. i. i don't really,
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i don't know of to boucher. i don't understand who are they? who are these people? and while asking myself this question, i also understand that to prevent more butch us, we have to talk we have to talk and see how we can and this war however, and i will be very honest with you. it is clear that the positions of delegations in talks will be defined by the successes of relevant armis on the battle ground and the impact of sanctions in boston. russia. these are the 2 main criteria which make either our or their position stronger intox. and of course, we are entirely focused on making sure that we will be stronger and we will
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eventually prevail. next, vanessa said to press hello, thank you for question. mark carlson from associated press. have you received any promises of new military equipment today? in a weapons? are like mine you, they like they love silence, and i, i will not be in a position to go into details. but ah, let me put it this way. i have no doubts that ukraine will have weapons necessary to fight. the question is the timeline. the discussion is not about the list of weapons. the discussion is about the timeline. when, when do we give them? and this is crucial, as i explained earlier, because one month, 2 weeks ago, it was enough to say, what will be given to day?
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it's more important to know when it will be given and this is, this is something that allies have to sort out and to find appropriate solutions. if my i so much foreign minister nick beak from the babies. say you say the dumb in terms of weapons, it's when not if what is holding things up. is it a lack of will, or is it the logistical problems that the nato allies are facing and or so president zalinski has talked about the recent sanctions that the you can, the us have been saying will make a big difference. he says that they're spectacular. but they're not enough. did you get a sense that some of the nato allies were, may be holding back on weapons because they want sanctions to do the hard work festival? ah dancer,
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to the question to the 2nd question is no. i think they said 2 on 2 parallel tracks where we have we should different progress was, was a different elyse. some a more advanced on sanctions well being more reluctant on providing as was weapons . others to the contrary, are willing to provide was weapons by the more conservative when it comes to sanctions. the point that president make is, is, is very simple. we appreciate everything that his has been done on the sanctions front so far. and yes, it's true that the, this, the latest round of sanctions ah inflicts, inflict serious damage on russia. we're looking forward to the adoption of the fifths sanctions package by the repeal union. ah, and if it is adopted as it stands, then we can say that
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a serious pressure that the pressure has been stepped up. but as long as sir the west, let's put it this way, continues buying. russian gas and oil. it is supporting ukraine was other hand, was one hand while supporting russia. war machine was another hand. and this is the point the president is making. the damage that is being inflicted on russia by sanctions now has meet and long term implications for russian that gone. but people are dying to date. the offensive is unfolding to date and we need steps which will, ah, stop rushes war machine today. this is the, as long as it is not, as this hasn't been done. we cannot speak about efficiency, fuel efficiency of sanctions. yes, damage is inflicted,
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but it's insufficient to stop russia's war machine. and this is, this is the point. ah, and the 1st question was on weapons. why? ah, ah, a month in the 1st week of the war, i asked one foreign minister whether his country would be willing to provide us with a certain state of the art weapon. and he said, metro. ah, it's complicated because it requires at least 2 months of training for personnel. so we're not going to do that. if he had agreed with me in the very beginning to do, to provide ukraine was that weapon we would have already. all people would have already completed about to come, but we're about to complete this training and we would have had it in the, in the week or 2. so this is the problem was partners. i mean,
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i appreciate them. i loved them. they old friends, most of them are our personal friends, but this is the problem that you always have to break one wall after another. the 1st wall was we are not going to send you weapons. ok, we broke it. no one is saying that anymore, almost the next wall was a we will send you light weapons, but not heavy weapons. ok, we broke it. ah, we broke this wall as well. now what i'm hearing, i've been hearing until recently. we will be sending you defense the weapons, but we can not send you offensive weapons k. we explained that it doesn't make any difference when it comes to ukraine because we are defending ourselves. every weapon is defensive by definition. ok, we seem to be to have broken this wall, this wall as well. and now we are in this again, in this situation. when,
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when will you send this? it takes time. but we have no time. if we had started, if we had started it, if we, if they had heard us before, we would not have had the discussion. we wouldn't have this discussion up. ah, so it's all, i don't know it's, it's a little bit of old. so reluctance on readiness to act on time, acting only after threads, just likable choker i said to and i will work in openly say, here i said to partners from just 7 and the european union in the last days that i know what the initial package of sanctions was and i know that it was stepped up that when we were asking you to step it up, you ignore this. in fact, they could have been some back slight and only as to seeing the picture. so butcher, eula agreed with us that sanctions have to be stepped up and that what
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had been prepared was insufficient. but how many bushes have to take place for you to impulse? the sanctions? how many, how many sang, how many children women, man, have to die? innocent lives has to be lost for you to understand that you cannot allow sanctions fatigue as we can not allow fighting fatigue. so we're in the process, but i'm satisfied with the overall dynamic. so how our partners evolve? ah, but unfortunately state is the price of that is pretty high school to this site. is mr. nicks, your friend from p b. s. news? our thank you. one of the main topics in the diplomatic talks with russia has been security guarantees, of course that you have been asking for. did you repeat that request today? have you gotten any progress on asking any nato member or getting any num nato member to agreed with security guarantee?
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and you say you're cautiously optimistic about individual countries. arm shipments, do you think nato itself as an alliance should be taking a greater role in those arm shipments? you're absolutely right. i'm cautiously optimistic about the shipments from some allies. but i have no optimism about seeing, or nato as a whole supplying ukraine was necessarily weapons. i'm in the foreseeable future. i don't know, it may change, but this doesn't seem to be the case now. so what is happening now is that natal, as an institution encourages allies, those allies were willing to help to help. that's it, that's how it works now. and need to serve as a platform where everyone comes together and for discusses this things. ah, no, i did not raise the show security guarantees in the meeting because we know exactly
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the list of allies that whom we see as potential security guarantors. and we negotiated at said ballet to the level. but in my bilateral meetings here, we are raising and discussing this issue with them. yes, yes they, they definitely get a better understanding of what we're looking for and, but we're still kind of, they're still in the receptive mode. we're still discussing. none of them has provided us with their vision for security guarantees. so at this point, we have time just for the dual us for questions in the 1st one, the lady there. not another behind. yeah, no, i live, i have from politically. thank you. minister, a video posted to social media appears to show you korean sheets shooting a captured russian soldier. i was wondering if you've seen the video and if you had a reaction. thank you. i haven't seen it. i heard about it. i wanted to may
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reassure you that ukrainian army observes the rules of warfare. so there was of course, there might be isolated incidents of the violation of this rules and they will be definitely investigated. but i wanted to double check the date of this, of this, of this video because you should understand ah, one thing. no you, you will not understand it. i'm sorry. but so you don't understand how it feels after seeing her pictures from boucher talking to people who escaped knowing that the person you know was raped for days in a row. and when she finally made it to key, if she was directly taken to the psychiatrist,
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you don't understand how it feels that russian soldier rape children. this is not an excuse to those who violate the rules of warfare on either side of the front line. but there are some things which you simply can't understand. i'm sorry. let's take one last one ukrainian meter yoga with the with us. again, i will be speaking in ukrainian. so take your thoughts on you with a wash straight equally with them to push molecules to reach you because i'm you know, her book to me in because i was sure in such the case, but you weren't sociable devices those that love at all. hm. even it's similar to it. yeah. yeah. yeah. he's pretty what did later hope to me is more each week it started live washer. should always listed it his level thought. sure. yeah. actually is that a level of completion,
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all yackel to me is more now through from one more course on common thought he gave him a little bit more than enough. but what if in the book, a wine on an upper those and you put a whole water element just leaving that a press conference there by the ukrainian of foreign minister. and we want to talk a bit more about this with our chief political editor location. i had the studio with me and in brussels. we have terry shoals are corresponded there, who has been covering nato for many years. every. let's start with you just some of what we just heard, that from the ukrainian foreign minister. there's lots of stuff to dissect their that's right, foreign minister denito. columbus said that he's cautiously optimistic after coming out of meetings, both with nato foreign ministers and with the g 7 foreign ministers today. but he still said time and again that this help would come too slow. he said, people are dying every day and you didn't listen when we warned you early on that
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you needed the toughest of sanctions that we needed more weapons. so those were the things he was asking for again today. but to me, to columbus said, as long as you are helping ukraine with one hand, but still buying russian oil and gas, you are feeding the russian war machine with the other hand. and as we know, european union, governments are still debating whether to impose tougher sanctions, their 5th round of sanctions, which may include cutting off russian russian energy sources. at this point, he does not have any guarantee that this is going to happen. so cautious optimism, but i would say not a lot of it this started the day by 2nd is what a germany today. and he said a berlin has time key if does not. and in this press conference, he also stressed again it's terry just mentioned that timing is off, the a sincere that people are dragging their feet is he was, he pointed the finger at germany there again while he was to point the finger at
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several or allies within the nato alliance, the community also said that nature is not acting together and i dare say that nature will be pleased to hear that because one thing they too doesn't want to be seen as is a party in this war as an alliance. that is not only a defensive alliance, which it keep stressing. berlin has been accused of by ukraine time and time again of not doing enough and not acting fast enough. that was that spectacular turn around from not supplying any weapons to now supplying weapons. but of what i hear from what we just heard from ukraine's foreign minister, that is, that there seem to be a lot less reservations now about delivering not just heavy weapons, but also offensive weapons. he stresses that any weapons and ukraine right now is defensive in nature. because the country is defending itself against an aggressor, i'm not sure everybody would share that you when it comes to the exact details. because from a german also historical perspective, it does seem hard to imagine that for instance,
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german tanks could be pointed at russ russian soldiers. this really is a historical.

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